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Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2019 03:39:29 No.1402664 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1402720 >>1415624 >>1423855

Been a hot minute since we had a fantasy transit map thread.
If you've got a map you'd like to share, drop it in this thread, explain the scenario, and feel free to ask anyone any questions.
Mine is an alternate scenario where the US (at least in the Northeast) invests in regional rail travel like Europe did instead of investing in automotive infrastructure. It's still a long ways from being complete

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Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2019 08:03:44 No.1402720 Report

Quoted By: >>1402951 >>1404188 >>1407899 >>1417996 >>1423407

I'm still on it. You can't stop me. Witness the full magnitude of my obsession.

https://mega.nz/#!saAk1IpI!4WMyruTlzp4-VScfrfz_nMi1T4ZneXbMdnjVxTFVh_w

The scenario here is that car usage in the area has been reduced by 90 percent, simply by building an insane amount of public transport infrastructure. The map should be self-explanatory. I won't bore you with the utopian though experiments behind it.

>>1402664
Are you THAT anon? The map looks a lot less extensive than the last time I saw it, but maybe its just the lines without the stations in the screenshot? Why don't you post the whole thing?

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Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2019 21:28:42 No.1402951 Report

Quoted By: >>1404188

>>1402720
Yep. I'm THAT anon. Made some progress round DC and the Adirondacks. It's the lack of stations that makes it seem less complete

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Anonymous Mon 14 Oct 2019 20:43:24 No.1404188 Report

Quoted By: >>1404453

>>1402720
>>1402951
I'm also expanding rapid transit lines in major cities in the area. Got Boston done (as that's where I started), New York MTA is as set as I care to make it (just added the entire 2nd Ave T train), PATH tubes ain't changing, SEPTA is done but missing stations, WMATA has yet to be expanded, and Baltimore is mid-expansion. I want to do something with the other major cities in the region (New England, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, DC, & the Virginias), but I'm not 100% sure which cities are gonna get heavy rail, which are gonna get light rail, and which are gonna be stuck w/ commuter buses. What do you think is a good (ca. 2010 census) population cutoff for each of the tiers?

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Anonymous Tue 15 Oct 2019 08:37:43 No.1404453 Report

Quoted By: >>1404980 >>1404982

>>1404188
>I'm not 100% sure which cities are gonna get heavy rail, which are gonna get light rail, and which are gonna be stuck w/ commuter buses. What do you think is a good (ca. 2010 census) population cutoff for each of the tiers?
You said your goal was a "what if" scenario with the US investing in public transport about the same way that Europe did. Oslo probably has the most extensive public transport per capita (700 000 people in the municipality, 1.6 million metro; six metro lines, six tram lines, eight commuter rail lines). Then there are places like Münster (315 000 people in the municipality; busses only). You'll probably wanna aim for something between those extremes.
Trams can be done in places of ~50 000 people. Urban areas of 500 000 and up will have Stadtbahn/premetro/light rail-tram hybrids or even tram and metro systems. Urban areas of 1 million or more absolutely require metros in my opinion, even though not all of those have them IRL.
Also consider that state capitals will usually get better or at least more prestigious transit than other cities.

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Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2019 05:39:55 No.1404980 Report

Quoted By: >>1405077

>>1404453
>Also consider that state capitals will usually get better or at least more prestigious transit than other cities.
Right, but considering small state capitals like Montpelier and Augusta, I'm considering interurban streetcars between the capital and largest city

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Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2019 05:42:09 No.1404982 Report

Quoted By: >>1405077

>>1404453
>Trams can be done in places of ~50 000 people.
Also, Fitchburg/Leominster, Massachusetts has a population of ~80k in the cities proper (40k per city), and I doubt trams will be the most effective considering all the goddamn hills. Maybe just between Montachusett RTC in Fitchburg (the current train station) and Monument Square in Leominster, effectively replacing the MART 2 bus

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Anonymous Wed 16 Oct 2019 12:05:30 No.1405077 Report

Quoted By: >>1405453

>>1404980
Oh right, those are tiny. How about just a railway station with HSR service and a few neighborhood busses, with everybody else walking? Interurban may make more sense depending on the urban geography though.
>>1404982
The steepest sections of tram networks around the world seem to be over 10%, which is a lot. But you know what works much better in hilly environments? Trolleybusses.

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Anonymous Thu 17 Oct 2019 01:28:39 No.1405453 Report

Quoted By: >>1408279

>>1405077
>The steepest sections of tram networks around the world seem to be over 10%, which is a lot. But you know what works much better in hilly environments? Trolleybusses.
Insane idea: Cable Cars à la San Francisco

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2019 02:57:48 No.1407899 Report

Quoted By: >>1408072

>>1402720
How foolish of me not to ask: How much have you expanded your map?

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2019 08:15:22 No.1408072 Report

Quoted By: >>1408267

>>1407899
I don't quite remember when the last time was that I posted this on here, but here's a few things that did happen in the mean time:
>Bremen metro and trams reworked with metro stations
>Bremen/Oldenburg area got its S-Bahn
>Frankfurt metro reworkedwuth stations
>Frankfurt S-Bahn completed, plus some interurban trams in the area
>added F ("fern", long-distance HSR) trains to Basel, Stuttgart, Nürnberg, Leipzig, Berlin, and Copenhagen
>some minor adjustments here and there
Anything you'd like to know more about?

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2019 17:32:12 No.1408267 Report

Quoted By: >>1408354

>>1408072
Ever considered expanding into more of France and/or Germany? Also;
>S-Bahn
I know there are like 5 tiers of rail travel in Germany: Streetcars/Trams, U-Bahns, S-Bahns, Regionals, InterCity, and long-distance trains, but don't know how exactly they correlate with train services State-side. We've got light rail systems (Streetcar/trams), subways (U-bahns), commuter rail (reg-bahn), and intercity/long distance trains, but I have no idea where the S-Bahn fits into the equation. Looking at the US, what system currently existing would be the closest to an S-Bahn in characteristics?

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2019 18:20:05 No.1408279 Report

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>>1405453
Not really practical, very energy and labour intensive, very susceptible to breakdowns, probably limited in size of the cars, high wear, etc., etc.. There's a reason why by the 1920 they were already pretty outdated. Trolleybuses really are the best solution for hilly overground transportation.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2019 22:00:28 No.1408354 Report

Quoted By: >>1410483

>>1408267
Well the map already covers like a third of Germany and the new F trains (HSR) reach a few other places in Germany. Maybe I'll extend them to Halle, München and Paris for good measure.

>Looking at the US, what system currently existing would be the closest to an S-Bahn in characteristics?
The principle of S-Bahn is an integration of commuter rail and rapid transit into one system. Basically, you have a bunch of regional rail lines all converging into one trunk line through the city center. SEPTA regional rail was built explicitly on this principle and BART also works in a similar way.
The most prototypical examples of S-Bahn within Germany are the Munich, Frankfurt and Leipzig networks. They all have railhead central stations where basically all trains terminate. But there are extra tracks for the S-Bahn going underground at the station and crossing the city center, then diverging into separate regional lines at the other end.

S-Bahn is a fairly wide concept though. Hamburg and Berlin basically have super-metros with larger distances between stops. Then there are the small but mostly urban networks of Rostock, Dresden, Nürnberg and Magdeburg. Hannover and Bremen basically have re-branded regional rail and Rhein-Ruhr is a convoluted mess.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 01:36:00 No.1410483 Report

Quoted By: >>1410709

>>1408354
So sorta like how the MBTA in Boston planned the Orange Line between Needham and Reading?

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 13:07:35 No.1410709 Report

Quoted By: >>1410995

>>1410483
I don't know, what exactly did those plans entail?

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2019 23:55:39 No.1410995 Report

Quoted By: >>1411226

>>1410709
So there were plans as early as the 40s to replace commuter rail routes with subway lines, though only two of those ever came completely to fruition; the lines planned to be replaced were:
The modern Haverhill Line from North Station to Reading, effectively routing ALL trains to Haverhill, Exeter, Dover, and Portland via Woburn along the same route as trains to Lowell, Nashua, Manchester, and Concord. This would replace the Charlestown Elevated running from North Station to Everett, but the Haymarket North Extension, as it became to be known, was only built as far as Oak Grove station in Malden, a far cry from Reading out by MA-128.
The South Shore Extension of the Red Line was done relatively easily, since the passenger routes through Quincy and Braintree were abandoned at the time, but raised complications with the Old Colony Lines when they were revived in 97.
The Red Line had a northwesterly extension plan stretching out to Lexington, but was only built out to Alewife Brook Parkway in West Cambridge because Arlington residents said no.
The Blue Line has had a Long-standing proposal for extension to Lynn roughly following the Boston, Revere Beach, and Lynn narrow gauge railway ROW, as it had followed it from Maverick Square to Wonderland station. Lynn Central Square was rebuilt to accommodate such an extension in 92
The Riverside Loop was previously the Boston and Albany Highland Branch, but was annexed to the Green Line in 59
A simple search for History of the MBTA will give you all the info you need, in much more detail than I can provide.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Oct 2019 10:45:17 No.1411226 Report

Quoted By: >>1411230

>>1410995
That's a lot of info at once which I can't really process into a clear picture in my head.
There's no better way for me to explain the principle than to show you this schematic of the Munich S-Bahn. As you can see, all the lines converge onto the central trunk line between Pasing/Donnersberger Brücke in the west, and Ostbahnhof (Eastern Station) in the east.
That means that basically, there is a train every 2-4 minutes in each direction on the trunk route, whereas each individual branch gets served every 20 to 40 minutes. This concept works so well, in fact, that they're now building a second tunnel between the central and eastern stations. The present trunk route puts a strict limitation on the overall capacity of the system.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Oct 2019 10:52:44 No.1411230 Report

Quoted By: >>1412459 >>1414138

>>1411226
The system arose from a network not unlike MBTA commuter rail. As you can see on this map, there is no tunnel connection between the central and eastern stations, and thus no possibility to run S-Bahnen on a central trunk route. If you were coming in from the west but wanted to go to the eastern parts of the city, you had to change at the central station - either to a tram or to another "Vorortbahn" (suburban rail) that could have taken you to the eastern station and beyond.
Frankfurt, München, and most recently, Leipzig, all have in common that they built S-Bahn tunnels underneath their city centers to connect two or more railway terminuses on separate ends of the city. The prototype for this is the "Stadtbahn" or city railway in Berlin, which was built between Charlottenburg and Berlin's eastern station in 1882.

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Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2019 22:04:34 No.1412459 Report

Quoted By: >>1412519

>>1411230
>The system arose from a network not unlike MBTA commuter rail. As you can see on this map, there is no tunnel connection between the central and eastern stations, and thus no possibility to run S-Bahnen on a central trunk route.
So there is a proposal to link Boston's two terminals with an underground tunnel, not unlike Philly. Would that result in a prototypical S-Bahn style network?

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Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2019 23:40:54 No.1412519 Report

Quoted By: >>1413154

>>1412459
Possibly, yes. That would include a few more requirements though:
>One to three new stations between north and south terminal
>re-organizing the lines as through services
>setting up a schedule so that trains go north to south and south to north in fixed intervals (Every 5/10/20 minutes or whatever)
For example, the four "through" lines as proposed in pic related could run with a 60 minute headway each, adding up to a train every 15 minutes between north and south terminal.
These changes would make it better than the smaller networks of, say, Bremen, Hannover, or Magdeburg.

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Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2019 05:29:42 No.1413154 Report

Quoted By: >>1413255

>>1412519
>One to three new stations between north and south terminal
There is a proposed Central Station between North and South in the plan, right around Fanueil Hall & Long Wharf at the New England Aquarium, connecting to the Blue Line at Aquarium Station

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Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2019 11:26:25 No.1413255 Report

Quoted By: >>1413375

>>1413154
Yeah that sounds like an excellent idea. Even though it'll probably be expensive as fuck.
How much of the MBTA commuter rail is diesel, how much is electrified? Electrification is also a requirement for a good S-Bahn imho

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Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2019 18:23:10 No.1413375 Report

Quoted By: >>1413434

>>1413255
The only electrification that currently exists is the Providence Line, but only on tracks used by Amtrak trains. Amtrak uses electrics, and has since 1999. EVERYTHING run by the T is diesel-powered

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Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2019 22:04:49 No.1413434 Report

Quoted By: >>1413496

>>1413375
Fuck

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2019 01:21:35 No.1413496 Report

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>>1413434
Thankfully, there are plans to electrify the system
https://www.mbta.com/projects/rail-vision

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2019 01:28:56 No.1413501 Report

Quoted By: >>1413551 >>1416857

>cheap, far reaching mass transit for our migrant replacements to spread even quicker
Yes... accelerate! Accelerate!

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2019 04:36:39 No.1413551 Report

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>>1413501
Goddamn /pol/tard board tourists...

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2019 19:34:42 No.1414138 Report

Quoted By: >>1414228

>>1411230
Wait a minute, Washington Union Station and New York Penn Station both have tunnels under the city (Washington National Mall and Midtown Manhattan) connecting two different commuter rail systems (Virginia Railway Express to Alexandria, Manassas and Fredericksburg & MARC to Baltimore, Martinsburg, and Frederick for Washington, New Jersey Transit and Long Island Rail Road for New York Penn)
However, neither have through-running services; those are solely operated by Amtrak, and don't necessarily serve all stations covered by commuter rail lines. Do they still count?

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Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2019 00:50:24 No.1414228 Report

Quoted By: >>1414241

>>1414138
Those would be sort of similar to a system like Hannover or Bremen, which both don't make good use of the central idea.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2019 01:23:09 No.1414241 Report

Quoted By: >>1414342

>>1414228
MARC/VRE partnership COULD result in something like a prototypical S-Bahn, bur for NJT/LIRR to do so, Long Island would have to be re-electrified with overhead catenaries rather than a third rail, which it should be anyway.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2019 10:55:18 No.1414342 Report

Quoted By: >>1414447 >>1417996 >>1423390

>>1414241
Washington is in a very good position for S-Bahn. The stations are fairly close together, the potential trunk route is there, and some sections are already electrified.
The New York metro area is huge, and so are the distances travelled by LIRR and NJT. They could eventually be turned into something like the RRX (pic related).
Hamburg and Berlin S-Bahn are electrified via third rail as well, but their service is mostly limited to the city.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2019 17:56:12 No.1414447 Report

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>>1414342
Hell, throw Metro-North into that mix; it kinda belongs there

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 00:21:55 No.1415624 Report

Quoted By: >>1415630

>>1402664
So my map features expanded subway systems Just gonna post 'em with descriptions of each

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 00:37:15 No.1415630 Report

Quoted By: >>1415633 >>1415933 >>1416846 >>1426078

>>1415624
BOSTON:
So the Red Line gets extended northwest to the Burlington Mall, Hanscom Field, and Waltham Center, moved off the Old Colony ROW beyond Savin Hill, and gets a new southern branch to Castle Island. Orange gets 2 new branches, extended to Melrose and Readville, with branches to Needham, Medford Square, Dedham, and Everett. Blue gets extended to Watertown Square and Riverside via Kenmore Square and Allston/Brighton, to Lynn via Point of Pines, and to Winthrop via an elevated loop. Green gets 4 new branches, to Seaport, Franklin Park, Back to Watertown via Brighton, and Needham Junction. GLX is built to West Medford, and old Watertown Branch is eaten, bringing Green to Waltham. Yellow introduced as a loop around downtown, lightening transfers, and Fairmount, the abandoned Saugus and Dedham Branches, a tunnel under Route 99 in Everett, and Track 61 form the Indigo Line

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 00:38:25 No.1415633 Report

Quoted By: >>1415635 >>1417996 >>1426078

>>1415630
NEW YORK:
Second Ave Subway completed, because I have no idea what else to do.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 00:39:28 No.1415635 Report

Quoted By: >>1415638 >>1417996 >>1426078

>>1415633
PATH Tubes remain the same

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 00:41:46 No.1415638 Report

Quoted By: >>1415639 >>1426078

>>1415635
PHILADELPHIA:
PATCO incorporated, every line expanded & new Roosevelt Boulevard Line added. many streetcars restored, but not mapped yet

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 00:42:52 No.1415639 Report

Quoted By: >>1415644 >>1426078

>>1415638
BALTIMORE:
System expanded as per mid-60s plans

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 00:45:29 No.1415644 Report

Quoted By: >>1417996 >>1423863 >>1426078

>>1415639
WASHINGTON:
System not yet expanded, but Green will end @ Joint Base Andrews, Yellow on its own route beyond Fort Totten, Silver likely rerouted to National Harbor, Orange Extended to Fairfax Center, Red and Blue unchanged

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 18:08:15 No.1415933 Report

Quoted By: >>1415949 >>1416716

>>1415630
The Green line has so many lines that it is a full streetcar network at this point. Maybe the branches deserve their own color coding. Do you think the trunk line will have enough capacity at that point?

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2019 18:40:52 No.1415949 Report

Quoted By: >>1416716

>>1415933
Oh, I specifically truncated some Green Line branches to the edge of the trunk to help w/ capacity.
RED:
A - Hanscom Field to Ashmont
B - Waltham Center to Braintree
C - Burlington Mall to Castle Island
M - Ashmont to Mattapan
ORANGE:
A - Melrose Highlands to Readville
B - Everett/Revere Beach Parkway to Needham Junction
C - Medford Square to Dedham Center
GREEN:
A - Watertown Square to Kenmore Square
B - Newton City Hall to Kenmore Square
C - Cleveland Circle to West Medford
D - Riverside to Government Center
E - Forest Hills/Arborway to Lechmere Square
F - Franklin Park Zoo to Park Street
G - Needham Junction to Government Center
H - Marine Industrial Park to Waltham Center
BLUE:
A - Lynn Central Square to Watertown Square
B - Winthrop Loop to Riverside
INDIGO:
A - Northgate Center to Dedham Center
B - Lynn Central Square to Black Falcon Terminal
YELLOW:
Loop w/ stops at Harvard, Sullivan, Ruggles, Dudley, Andrew, Logan, Longwood, and Brighton Landing

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 00:59:55 No.1416716 Report

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>>1415933
>Maybe the branches deserve their own color coding
The T already has lettered branches, so I decided to take that to the logical extreme with the network: >>1415949
Red has A, B, C, and M - ABC has a trunkline from Alewife to JFK/UMass Boston, M is still the PCC streetcar line that exists today
Orange has A, B, and C, trunk from Sullivan Square to Forest Hills
Yellow has L and X, L for Local, X for Express, making stops only at interchange stations
Green has A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H, with the trunkline from Kenmore Square to Lechmere Square
Blue's trunkline is from Orient Heights to BU North
Indigo's is from Everett/Revere Beach Parkway to South Station
ALso, Orange B's northern terminus is Chelsea's Bellingham Square; it's been a year since I made the map, and haven't really looked at it since

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 05:03:43 No.1416846 Report

Quoted By: >>1416854

>>1415630
>Yellow/goldish line
Based and loop-pilled, god I wish this was reality

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 05:31:47 No.1416854 Report

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>>1416846
Get you cumrag on stand-by
That Yellow Line loop is quad-tracked, with local and express services. The express trains only stop at stations with connections to other trains and all the airport terminals

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 05:59:39 No.1416857 Report

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>>1413501
Sabotaging you own infrastructure is a stupid way to fight immigration

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 07:29:44 No.1416896 Report

Quoted By: >>1416897 >>1416976

Miami's Metrorail sorely lacks a few things.
It lacks any east-west service to Miami. A lot of people work and live near Flagler street, which goes straight into Miami, and a lot of the people living near it commute on it by bus into Miami. It really could support a line, hence the blue line. It'd also give a connection between FIU and Miami. FIU is Florida's public university in Miami-Dade county, but as you can see, it's pretty far from Miami itself. A private university, UM, is close to a pre-existing station though.
Unrelatedly, both tourists and locals would benefit from some sort of rail to Miami Beach. Thus, the blue line continues there. Government Center, the de facto central station for Metrorail, already has an east-west-aligned platform, never used. With some maintenance, the blue line could use it. The stop at Government Center would have to be longer than other stops though to accommodate all the people not passing through.
There's a lack of a line for people who quickly want to go north or south. If you're in south of Miami, like in Kendall and want to reach north of Miami, like Hialeah, or vice versa, you have to take the entire half-circle that is the green line. It takes a long time. The pink line could do the same trip in a smaller distance and with fewer stops. This would also help connect more people to Tri-Rail.
Despite it barely being visible on this map, the red line on the south edge is very important. There used to be rails there, but they got paved over for BRT. This red line would undo that, since the people south of Miami don't deserve that. It'd extend, as the current BRT does, to Homestead and Florida City. There's a significant number of people south of Miami who commute towards Miami.
(continued)

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 07:30:48 No.1416897 Report

Quoted By: >>1416976

>>1416896
The pink line and red line would also help people like me who live in Broward county and find it too tough to travel to places south of Dadeland South, Metrorail's current southernmost station. I assume people there feel similarly, albeit to a lesser extent. Rest in pieces, people in Cutler Bay.

I mostly based this off of the routes of current buses that were in the areas I thought needed improvement.
The green and orange lines are pre-existing. Notably, the orange line is actually only one additional stop: the airport. It's really just the green line, but the county wants you to think we have two lines rather than one.
Other things to consider are Metromover, Tri-Rail, and Brightline. Future improvements to this map would be to figure out what would be the best route north of Miami that's east of the green line, closer to the coast.
I wonder if the green and pink lines could be combined into a loop or not. It might not make sense, since the green line would definitely have more traffic than the pink line, and that should be encouraged.

Sorry for it being a JPG. GIMP produced a huge PNG file.
Also, Miami's completely fucked, but hopefully a better Metrorail would make life better too.

I attached a map I haven't made to provide some context. I'll note, though, that the pink line labeled Tri-Rail: Downtown Miami Link doesn't exist yet.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 14:40:25 No.1416976 Report

Quoted By: >>1416978

>>1416896
>>1416897
Would you go so far as to restore the Overseas Railway to Key West like I would?

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 14:47:02 No.1416978 Report

Quoted By: >>1416992

>>1416976
That'd mostly be a tourist train, and I care more about locals than tourists. Ideally, trains would be everywhere, and that'd be an easy line to make, but I'd focus money on urban areas in south Florida first.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 15:26:19 No.1416992 Report

Quoted By: >>1417003

>>1416978
Understandable

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 15:48:32 No.1417003 Report

Quoted By: >>1417017

>>1416992
I'll admit though that I've only been to the keys as a tourist, myself, so maybe I don't know the area well enough. My fantasy map was based on trying to convince people to travel to and from Miami more, in order to have the suburbs not dominate the region (in terms of things to do and places to go) as much as they do now. Even the pink line, which bypasses Miami, is something which might convince more people to try going to Miami.
As it is now, cagers are scared of Miami, because they heard there might not be parking at the exact place they're going to, and they're unfamiliar with using a public (paid) parking lot and walking elsewhere.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 15:58:27 No.1417017 Report

Quoted By: >>1417031

>>1417003
Yeah, the way I see it, the Keys are a part of Miami's sphere of influence, and connecting them with an alternative to US-1 would be anything but detrimental to economic growth

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 16:11:40 No.1417031 Report

Quoted By: >>1417055 >>1417065

>>1417017
>the Keys are a part of Miami's sphere of influence
Are they? I've never sensed that when traveling there: they seem to be their own thing.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 17:16:14 No.1417055 Report

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>>1417031
Sae way the Berkshires are part of Boston's, I guess. It's the nearest metropolitan area with a population over 1,000,000

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 17:43:18 No.1417065 Report

Quoted By: >>1417085

>>1417031
I live in Key West and any time anyone needs anything that they can't get here in the islands they all go up to Miami for it. Everyone here goes up to Miami every few months or so too.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 18:31:28 No.1417085 Report

Quoted By: >>1417089 >>1417090

>>1417065
I see, thank you for your reply.
>any time anyone needs anything that they can't get here in the islands they all go up to Miami for it
This makes sense.
>every few months
Not even once a month is somewhat sparse, however.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 18:34:29 No.1417089 Report

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>>1417085
>Not even once a month is somewhat sparse, however
After I posted, I remember that many people in Broward county also don't visit Miami every month, so sparseness isn't a perfect indicator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 18:35:41 No.1417090 Report

Quoted By:

>>1417085
Some go more often but a lot of people here work multiple jobs so they don't have the time to go up to Miami more often even if they would probably like to. Also the population of the islands more than doubles in the wintertime so more people go back and forth up the islands

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 07:03:29 No.1417808 Report

Quoted By: >>1417913 >>1417996 >>1418036 >>1419460

/n/ should develop a worldwide connected fantasy train network. I really want to take part in pure autism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 12:55:17 No.1417913 Report

Quoted By: >>1419441

>>1417808
You first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 17:46:16 No.1417996 Report

Quoted By: >>1418051

>>1415633
>>1415635
More rapid transit outisde of Manhattan, both NY and NJ. Trams on literally every second street/avenue in Manhattan.
>>1415644
Do the S-Bahn >>1414342
>>1417808
I'm game. You can download my map from >>1402720
and add whatever you like

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 20:52:20 No.1418036 Report

Quoted By: >>1419296

>>1417808
Not only develop an entire network, but develop a working timetable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 21:48:38 No.1418051 Report

Quoted By: >>1418052 >>1422198

>>1417996
>Do the S-Bahn
I think I will, but I'm only plotting lines, not service patterns. Haven't even begun to consider what some of them will be

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 21:50:38 No.1418052 Report

Quoted By: >>1422198

>>1418051
Also, the S-Bahn style regional rail will be on the same tracks as intercity and long-distance trains, so I've got them covered. The subways and streetcars are what I need to do, since they're separate ROWs

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 00:22:02 No.1419296 Report

Quoted By:

>>1418036
The logistics of that are beyond my autism

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Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 05:48:20 No.1419441 Report

Quoted By: >>1419939 >>1420825

>>1417913
My autism would be to completely disregard the existence of trams and assume the main form of rail in the world is trains.
I would like to look at Melbourne and make a fantasy network, adding new lines and stations, adding some branches, until most of the metro area is accessible by train. Then, work on expanding into the country with major stations at Ballarat, Bendigo, Warrnambool, Traralgon, Albury-Wodonga, Echuca, Mildura and Horsham.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2019 07:42:13 No.1419460 Report

Quoted By:

>>1417808
This is a good idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2019 08:27:21 No.1419939 Report

Quoted By:

>>1419441
Why not both trains and trams? Would be a shame to scrap the largest tram network of the southern hemisphere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2019 08:30:12 No.1419941 Report

Quoted By:

The only difference is that Robert Moses was strangled in his cradle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2019 22:13:15 No.1420825 Report

Quoted By:

>>1419441
Yeah, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Melbourne Trams aren't that broken, so they should be supplemented by regional rail, not replaced by it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 19:51:53 No.1422198 Report

Quoted By: >>1422199

>>1418052
>>1418051
What about the S-Bahns that turn into RB/REs after certain stations?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 19:54:30 No.1422199 Report

Quoted By: >>1422201

>>1422198
Like I said, I haven't considered service patterns, and that's probably one I'm gonna consider as best as I possibly can

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Anonymous Thu 21 Nov 2019 19:57:48 No.1422201 Report

Quoted By:

>>1422199
You're a good guy Anon, may the service pattern be graceful to you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 22 Nov 2019 01:43:11 No.1422306 Report

Quoted By: >>1422845

Wait a minute, does London's Overground, Crossrail, and Thameslink count as an S-Bahn?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 23 Nov 2019 13:12:41 No.1422845 Report

Quoted By: >>1423321

>>1422306
Well it definitely is a similar concept. Especially Overground is very similar to Berlin/Hamburg S-Bahn.
Thameslink is a little too long though, that has more parallels with RRX.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2019 16:15:08 No.1423321 Report

Quoted By: >>1423390

>>1422845
>RRX
What is that? Pardon me for living up to the stereotype of an ignorant burgerfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2019 18:58:04 No.1423390 Report

Quoted By: >>1423392 >>1426397

>>1423321
See: >>1414342. It's a project to improve already existing Regional Express services in the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia. Like S-Bahn, RRX has a trunk route and several branches. But the scale is much larger. Most lines will travel 200 to 300 kilometers or so and distances between stops are also greater. Tracks are being renewed and expanded to allow for higher train capacity and reliability. New trains are also being put into service and schedules will be adjusted.
The goal is to have a double decker train from Dortmund to Cologne and from Cologne to Dortmund every 15 minutes. Headways will be even shorter between Düsseldorf and Duisburg. This is a very ambitious goal, but they still have time until 2030 to implement all of it. The first couple trains will probably already have to be demolished by then.
Anyway, it's a long-scale commuter rail network centered on a metro area but extending far into the hinterland, so Thameslink reminded me of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2019 19:01:20 No.1423392 Report

Quoted By: >>1423407

>>1423390
I'd rather see more actual local trains desu, Both Cologne, Bonn and the Ruhr-Area Cities are always about to collapse in regards to public transport. Instead of focusing in inter-city ÖPNV I'd rather they focus in intra-city ÖPNV

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2019 19:39:51 No.1423407 Report

Quoted By: >>1423418

>>1423392
Changes along the lines of what RRX is doing were long overdue if you ask me. Basically, there can be no intra-city transport in the Ruhr area because cities are clustered so closely together. But yeah, that's part of the teason why transport is ass there.
The Ruhr area should have gotten a metro back in the 60s/70s (That's why I gave them one on my map >>1402720). At least the Stadtbahn project could have been done better.
At least Cologne, Bonn and Dortmund seem to be doing okay. I used to think the same of Düsseldorf, but a guy I know moved there recently and he says Rheinbahn sucks.
Oh yeah and Cologne should be more careful not destroying more historically significant buildings and documents when expanding their light rail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 24 Nov 2019 19:53:16 No.1423418 Report

Quoted By: >>1423695

>>1423407
>The Ruhr area should have gotten a metro back in the 60s/70s
Were the cities interlinked enough back then? Today, sure. The Ruhr area is basically one city anyway, but decades ago?
>At least Cologne, Bonn and Dortmund seem to be doing okay.
I can only talk about Cologne and Bonn, the former needs more bus lines between the Stadtbahn/Trams and the latter needs better everything desu, better Bus/Stadtbahn/Tram line organisation,

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2019 08:43:57 No.1423695 Report

Quoted By:

>>1423418
>Were the cities interlinked enough back then? Today, sure. The Ruhr area is basically one city anyway, but decades ago?
What do you mean by interlinked? The Ruhr area's population reached its peak in the sixties. Essen alone had more than 700 000 inhabitants back then. It's somewhere around 580 000 now. Population density was higher and presumably, built-up area was even more cohesive even between cities.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2019 21:58:49 No.1423855 Report

Quoted By: >>1424308

>>1402664
>Transit lines into both Southern Maryland and the Eastern Shore

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2019 22:24:47 No.1423863 Report

Quoted By: >>1424308

>>1415644
Why not connect the Green Line with the proposed Southern Maryland Light Rail line that's been getting kicked around for some time. Heck, it could be an idea to connect commuter rail to La Plata considering the history of that town as a rail town.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 02:11:18 No.1424308 Report

Quoted By: >>1424342

>>1423855
Bruh, I just decided to restore abandoned lines, and there are a LOT of abandoned lines there. They actually have a lot of potential
>>1423863
See that branch heading south at Bowie? That serves La Plata; that's how I'm connecting it to DC by rail

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 04:06:35 No.1424342 Report

Quoted By: >>1424588

>>1424308
>there are a LOT of abandoned lines there. They actually have a lot of potential

Oh yeah, definitely. One of the rail lines that runs through the Maryland town of Salisbury actually passes by/through Salisbury University's campus, a modest sized state university. Connecting that via a greater MARC network to Baltimore/DC/Philly could be huge for that university and that town (which has been in the midst of redeveloping over the past few years thanks to a popular urban planner mayor). The city has wanted to convert the rail line into a trail for a good minute, but I think a passenger rail service would have a greater impact.

The rail through Southern Maryland could also be huge considering the region has been developing rapidly since the 60s with a really auto-dependent orientation. Rail could definitely encourage a new form of development and perhaps lessen traffic issues. That's at least what transit has done for Northern VA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 19:07:42 No.1424588 Report

Quoted By: >>1424837

>>1424342
>One of the rail lines that runs through the Maryland town of Salisbury actually passes by/through Salisbury University's campus, a modest sized state university.
If you want to talk about rail lines passing through college campuses, there's Montclair State in New Jersey, and there isn't passenger service here yet, but UMass Lowell's South Campus, just about a mile north of the Lowell Station. There have been talks to extend service to Nashua and Manchester, and I want to see an infill station on campus, right by the giant parking lot next to the rail line. Too bad that ain't gonna happen anytime soon, if at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Nov 2019 07:22:43 No.1424837 Report

Quoted By: >>1425070

>>1424588
I had no idea what you were talking about because I've always thought the campus was north of the river but turns out there's another campus south of the river next to the railroad. The more you know. Anyway, I'd be surprised if an additional station so close to the existing Lowell station ever came to pass. If there had to be just one station in between Lowell and the Pheasant Lane Mall I'd go with North Chelmsford. UMass Lowell should already have a shuttle to the train station and I'm surprised to find that they don't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Nov 2019 01:54:57 No.1425070 Report

Quoted By: >>1425101

>>1424837
Yeah, UML is split in 3 campuses, North, South, and East.
They do have shuttles to the train station, but only when the LRTA, which the students and staff can ride for free with their ID, stops for the night.
And I'd want stations at the Riverview Lot as I already mentioned (with the sole intention of serving South Campus directly & the other two by proxy w/ the shuttles), North Chelmsford, and Tyngsboro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Nov 2019 06:43:21 No.1425101 Report

Quoted By: >>1425222

>>1425070
Hmm, I guess I could conceivably see an additional Lowell station. At least in New Hampshire the line extension has always been sold as "a way to get to Boston", but I feel like they really miss the significance of trips that would be solely within the Manchester-Nashua-Lowell corridor. All three have pretty decent rates of car non-ownership. Growing up in Nashua, I couldn't tell you how many times I saw people asking on Facebook for rides to Manchester or Lowell. Maybe they could pair a more station-dense schedule for local trips with a more "express" schedule geared towards transport to Boston.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Nov 2019 19:40:07 No.1425222 Report

Quoted By:

>>1425101
Yeah, IIRC, that's what commuter services to London do. Using the Great Western Mainline as an example, Paddington to Slough sees frequent local service, but service beyond to Reading bypasses most of the stops between Paddington and Slough. I'm thinking Between Boston and say, Lowell, Fitchburg, Haverhill, Providence, and Worcester, trains going beyond those stations are express to those stations, and local from Lowell to Concord, Fitchburg to Greenfield, Haverhill to Dover, Worcester to Springfield, Providence to New London, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Dec 2019 03:37:28 No.1426078 Report

Quoted By: >>1426161

>>1415630
>>1415633
>>1415635
>>1415638
>>1415639
>>1415644
In addition to these, I want to add and expand networks to smaller cities like Albany, Rochester, Syracuse, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Providence, Worcester, Portland, Bangor, Merrimack Valley(Concord-Manchester-Nashua-Lowell-Lawrence-Haverhill-Newburyport), Burlington, Springfield, Plattsburgh, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Atlantic City, Richmond, Harrisburg, Yonkers, Binghamton, Hempstead, etc. Anyone got any ideas?
Also, I was thinking of expanding the map to include New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island. Should I?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Dec 2019 10:50:37 No.1426161 Report

Quoted By: >>1426327 >>1426330 >>1427648

>>1426078
Just do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:56:01 No.1426327 Report

Quoted By:

>>1426161
Alright, I'll do it. I WILL be tempted to add in the rest of the Saint Lawrence Valley from Michigan/Ontario 'round Detroit and Port Huron out through the Gaspé Peninsula, for completion's sake

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Dec 2019 22:57:03 No.1426330 Report

Quoted By:

>>1426161
Any ideas for streetcar networks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2019 01:57:26 No.1426397 Report

Quoted By: >>1426609

>>1423390
Seeing as it's Germany, they'll do some dumb shit like 10/20 minute frequencies instead of consistent 15 minute frequencies. By the way, why is 20 minutes such a common frequency in Germany?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Dec 2019 18:56:41 No.1426609 Report

Quoted By:

>>1426397
Oof. Don't say that our it might turn out true.
I dunno, smaller S-Bahn and city bus networks often have 20 minute headways. Can't think of any reason except that it's a compromise between 30 and 15 minute frequencies tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 02:45:42 No.1427648 Report

Quoted By: >>1430181

>>1426161
So I've got a few lines extending into New Brunswick exclusively, as well as into Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island. PEI is actually connected to the mainland by a bridge parallel to the Confederation Bridge, and the old Port Tormentine rail ferry dock is gonna be used for access to Newfoundland when I get around to adding it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Dec 2019 11:06:45 No.1429143 Report

Quoted By:

Bumb

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Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 07:07:29 No.1430181 Report

Quoted By: >>1431996

>>1427648
UPDATE: Mostly done w/ NS, completely done with PEI, the source for abandoned rail lines I'm using is missing a lot of branches in The Maritimes, so I've had to pull up CN & CP maps from the 40s

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 02:50:44 No.1431996 Report

Quoted By: >>1433856

>>1430181
Update: I'm on my way to Chicago. it's far from complete right now, but it's the basis.
Also, every station marker has its own individual color, symbolic to the state in some way. It's more obvious elsewhere on the map, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2019 23:53:59 No.1433856 Report

Quoted By: >>1436745

>>1431996
I've got a lot of stations I need to fill in, so that's what I'm doing right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2020 20:53:29 No.1435975 Report

Quoted By:

bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jan 2020 06:50:20 No.1436745 Report

Quoted By: >>1437067 >>1439431

>>1433856
I want to get my current progress uploaded ASAP. It's got every open station in the continental US plus a few more on the map so far, even though the lines are mostly east of the Appalachians and north of the Potomac

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jan 2020 12:05:53 No.1437067 Report

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>>1436745
Nice

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Anonymous Tue 14 Jan 2020 05:39:19 No.1439431 Report

Quoted By: >>1439432

>>1436745
So here's my progress on the lines. The white ones are mine, the transparent white ones are the incomplete, the colored lines are templates for abandoned lines

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Anonymous Tue 14 Jan 2020 05:40:27 No.1439432 Report

Quoted By: >>1439433

>>1439431
And here's the entire continental US with stations

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Jan 2020 05:41:58 No.1439433 Report

Quoted By:

>>1439432
I want to get all the stations along complete lines filled in, then get it uploaded to Google MyMaps for y'all gamers to explore for yourselves

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