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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:17:58 No.1416504 View View Reply Original Report

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What is the frequency where a bus route typically becomes substantially less convinient? Asking because my local bus route has a 30 minute frequency, and it's really annoying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:22:32 No.1416506 Report

Quoted By: >>1416508 >>1416511 >>1417018 >>1430545

How is it annoying? 30 minutes sounds perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:26:13 No.1416508 Report

Quoted By: >>1420599 >>1424850

>>1416506
It's annoying to miss the bus and have to kill 30 minutes sitting around a train station doing nothing. I know I can't really complain, given that ridership in my neighbourhood isn't that high, but it still sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:27:03 No.1416509 Report

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>10 minutes is not worth it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:28:50 No.1416511 Report

Quoted By: >>1416513 >>1417018

>>1416506
Do you wanna arrive 25 minutes early at work every day or have to spend 25 minutes after work waiting for your bus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:30:43 No.1416513 Report

Quoted By: >>1416515 >>1416518 >>1416539 >>1417742 >>1430691

>>1416511
Do you want buses every 10 minutes with a handful of passengers on each one? Get real. 25 minutes is nothing (not that you'll JUST miss the bus every single day), use it as an opportunity to read a book or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:32:51 No.1416515 Report

Quoted By: >>1416519

>>1416513
>four hours a week is nothing
And yes, I would in fact rather see smaller buses more frequently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:39:32 No.1416518 Report

Quoted By: >>1416524

>>1416513
>Do you want buses every 10 minutes with a handful of passengers on each one?
Yes

>25 minutes is nothing
How's college? Do good on your midterms?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:40:28 No.1416519 Report

Quoted By: >>1416523 >>1416541

>>1416515
Well, if there's no enough demand, it's not financially feasible.
If you don't like waiting, ride a bicycle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:43:30 No.1416523 Report

Quoted By: >>1416524

>>1416519
>If you don't like waiting, ride a bicycle.

I'll just be like everyone else and drive

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:44:14 No.1416524 Report

Quoted By: >>1416527

>>1416523
Good, go be like everyone else.
>>1416518
Can't keep Mr. Shekelberg waiting amirite?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 16:48:09 No.1416527 Report

Quoted By: >>1416614

>>1416524
When I drive I don't have to wait x minutes for a bus that never runs on its schedule anyway, share it with losers like you, it's always out of the weather (funny how I never see bikefags in the rain), it's always 72 degrees and always playing the music I like. Seats aren't hard plastic either. When I'm stopped in traffic, invariably I can spot a bus stopped in the same traffic, kek. Keep raging, fringie

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 17:27:09 No.1416539 Report

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>>1416513
Yes, just send smaller buses with more frequency.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 17:34:11 No.1416541 Report

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>>1416519
>financially feasible
See, this is the problem

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 18:06:52 No.1416548 Report

Quoted By: >>1416591

MINI BUS GÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄNG

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 20:19:06 No.1416591 Report

Quoted By: >>1416631

>>1416548
is this guy driving?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 20:45:08 No.1416601 Report

Quoted By: >>1416653 >>1417931

>>1416504
Anything over 15 minutes generally.
See https://humantransit.org/2010/08/basics-the-case-for-frequency-mapping.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 21:04:30 No.1416614 Report

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>>1416527
>funny how I never see bikefags in the rain
I bike in the rain all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 21:36:31 No.1416631 Report

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>>1416591
F
;_;7

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 21:45:20 No.1416640 Report

Quoted By: >>1416645

>>1416504
30 minutes is ideal during off-peak hours as long as the busses arrive reliably. You will not lose 50 minutes each day just waiting for the bus (like an anon stated) because you're not gonna JUST miss the bus every time (like other anon stated) - you'll probably spend less than 10 minutes waiting. Furthermore, it doesn't waste resources -- you're less likely to be running underutilized.

My local bus route is rarted though. Headways are literally 1 hour, meaning that I spend more time waiting (40-50 mins) for the bus than I do riding it (30-40 mins). All its intersecting routes are unreliable as fuck, meaning that I can easily wait between 30 and 50 minutes for the bus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 21:54:32 No.1416645 Report

Quoted By: >>1416847

>>1416640
You're begging people to drive cars with 30" headways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 22:18:07 No.1416653 Report

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>>1416601
This, anytime the bus is running 20-30 minutes late it feels significantly longer than 10-15. Some suburban lines can't sustain 15min or less intervals though

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2019 23:11:45 No.1416684 Report

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>be londoner
>waiting more than 5mins for a bus
>waiting more than 1min for the tube
>commuters collective face when

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 05:06:59 No.1416847 Report

Quoted By: >>1417014 >>1427076

>>1416645
Don't be autistic. Municipalities have real constraints, and no matter how much I wish all busses had headways of 15 seconds, most stops don't even have enough ridership for 1 hour headways!

30 minute headways is as good as it will get in most places in North America.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 10:26:56 No.1416928 Report

Quoted By: >>1430739 >>1430740

>>1416504
>30 minute
Man, I wish, that's literally perfect. Here a bus stops only 5 times a day. Also there is no bus on weekends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 11:13:57 No.1416932 Report

Quoted By: >>1417016 >>1417931

>muh feasibility
>muh ridership
>muh demand
lmao what a bunch of cucks you are. You've fallen for the most ancient anti public transport memes. Who cares about all that? Public transport has to be convenient, it's going to cost money either way because it never makes money unless the buses are completely stuffed.
There's literally nothing wrong with running almost empty buses, the point is having a bus available at a good frequency, not adapting frequency to low demand. That only causes a downward spiral anyway so it's actually pointless
>bus gets too few passengers to run every 15 minutes, we should cut it back to every 30
>oh look now it only gets half the passengers
>let's cut it down to every hour then
>oh look now it gets almost no passengers, well better cancel the bus line altogether

If you want to have good public transport you will always have half empty bus lines, because they're the most low-level feeders covering the outlying areas, but without those it's the next level (buses, trams, subways or trains, whatever) that becomes like that, and over time you end up dismantling all public transportation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 15:56:21 No.1417014 Report

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>>1416847
>30 minute headways is as good as it will get in most places in North America.
Where the fuck do you live that has 30" headways

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 15:57:54 No.1417016 Report

Quoted By: >>1417022

>>1416932
Basically this, transit is a money loser, but if you want people to use the system it will need to provide actual convenience. No one's waiting half an hour for a bus that's never on schedule anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 15:59:20 No.1417018 Report

Quoted By: >>1417024 >>1417093 >>1417104

>>1416506
Yeah seriously >>1416511
If you're 25 mins early slow your roll, go to the coffee shop across the street, browse on your phone and stop being a neurotic wagecuck that needs everything NOW NOW NOW 30 minutes is perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 16:01:54 No.1417022 Report

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>>1417016
True like most public it's just not gonna turn a profit but is beneficial as heck anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 16:05:15 No.1417024 Report

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>>1417018
>If you're 25 mins early
This presumes buses run on their assigned schedules, which is never the case.

If I'm not at work I want to be at home, I don't want to hang out at some faggy cafe or coffee shop (muh conspicuous consumerism), I want to be enroute to my destination. And if you're at one of those places, that means you're not at the bus station/stop, which means you'll end up missing your bus and the cycle repeats.

God it's like you want the shittiest public transit imaginable and then brag long, inconvenient headways are a feature not a bug

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 18:07:38 No.1417072 Report

Quoted By: >>1417112

the perfect frequency is 10 minutes
>if they're punctual, you only wait a reasonable amount of time
>bus bunching is very rare, whereas with 5 minute headways or lower bus bunching is very common
>schedule is very easy to remember (e.g. bus arrives at :x4)

the real horror begins when you need sub 10 minute headways

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 18:46:16 No.1417093 Report

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>>1417018
I'm all for convenient public transit, but if I'm gonna wake up half an hour early and then spend too much on an overpriced coffee every morning then it would be cheaper for me to just drive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 19:16:38 No.1417104 Report

Quoted By: >>1417231

>>1417018
if you live in a city with more than 100k people, anything over 20 minutes is too much

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 19:22:54 No.1417112 Report

Quoted By: >>1417505

>>1417072
Sub 10 minute headways is a good time to upgrade to a streetcar or some other form of fixed-track transit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 20:38:22 No.1417158 Report

Quoted By:

>>1416504
Depends on ridership retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2019 23:05:14 No.1417231 Report

Quoted By: >>1417505

>>1417104
/n/igga what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2019 15:19:51 No.1417505 Report

Quoted By: >>1417625

>>1417112
yea try that in hamburg, the nimby capital of germany

>>1417231
nigga thats right, i live (now) in a city of ca. 250k people and several routes run at least a 4 buses per hour service, the university bus routes run for a combined 16 buses per hour and they are still congested

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2019 22:09:38 No.1417625 Report

Quoted By: >>1417904

>>1417505
When you put it that way it makes sense. Some of the bigger routes/corridors are gonna have 15 minute headways and lower. But definitely not all the routes and definitely not all the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 02:47:50 No.1417742 Report

Quoted By:

>>1416513
Where I live most bus services are every 10 minutes during the day, it's a good spacing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 12:26:12 No.1417904 Report

Quoted By:

>>1417625
of course definitely not all the time, but regular weekday services are at least a 15 minute headway on the vast majority of routes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 13:43:07 No.1417919 Report

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>>1416504
10-15 minutes I guess. This is the time a person can wait at the stop for another bus to come.
Less frequent lines require journey planning from passengers which is annoying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2019 14:20:02 No.1417931 Report

Quoted By:

>>1416932
>the point is having a bus available at a good frequency, not adapting frequency to low demand.
The problem is along where, comprising what network, in what role, and for what purpose. >>1416601
>That only causes a downward spiral anyway so it's actually pointless
Yes, that's how anti-transit was like. No, a slippery slope shouldn't stop us from thinking over optimum frequency
>bus gets too few passengers to run every 15 minutes, we should cut it back to every 30
15min is the desirable minimum. 20min is the absolute minimum.
>feeders
Feeders can work with timed transfer . Does 30min at suburbs and rural not work for connection?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2019 06:15:09 No.1420599 Report

Quoted By:

>>1416508
what bus route? ttc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2019 06:29:22 No.1420602 Report

Quoted By:

>tfw lived in Seoul and bus came every minute, each route having at most 10 minute gap

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2019 16:55:10 No.1420742 Report

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My village of 3k people has a bus every 30 minutes to the next city/station with 15k people.

I think for a rural area 30 minute gaps are absolutely fine.
Most cities in Switzerland have something between 5-30 minute intervalls, depending on how busy the line is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 25 Nov 2019 00:40:06 No.1423550 Report

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>>1416504
bumping because of tesla spam

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Nov 2019 18:27:58 No.1424577 Report

Quoted By: >>1424839 >>1424892

>>1416504
If you live in the middle of nowhere, 30 minutes are acceptable.
If you live in a suburban area, then 15 minutes are acceptable.
In urban areas it really needs to be "7.5 minutes" or better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Nov 2019 07:31:48 No.1424839 Report

Quoted By:

>>1424577
High quality post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Nov 2019 09:06:21 No.1424850 Report

Quoted By: >>1426998

>>1416508
dont miss it then
what the fuck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Nov 2019 09:47:23 No.1424862 Report

Quoted By: >>1424870

You don't need gaps lower than 30 minutes for any conceivable reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Nov 2019 10:40:29 No.1424870 Report

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>>1424862
Low quality post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Nov 2019 12:42:41 No.1424892 Report

Quoted By: >>1424938

>>1424577
Fucking hell, where I live buses either arrive every 30 minutes or are hourly. The suburbs is the hourly one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Nov 2019 12:48:12 No.1424894 Report

Quoted By:

>>1416504
fuck you. i got bus 3 times a day here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Nov 2019 16:54:24 No.1424938 Report

Quoted By:

>>1424892
I'm not saying that 30 minutes are okay where you live, quite the opposite, just that it really depends on where you live.
If you literally live between fields far from the next town, then a frequency of 30 minutes is more than decent.
If you live in a 6+ digit town, then it's not even remotely acceptable. Attempt to apply pressure to your representatives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 04 Dec 2019 23:54:29 No.1426998 Report

Quoted By:

>>1424850
Well, not only buses run late, it happens with trains as well.
Sucks if the bus doesn't wait in that case. 30 minutes are a fucking lot then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Dec 2019 06:28:28 No.1427076 Report

Quoted By: >>1427087

>>1416847
>most stops don't even have enough ridership for 1 hour headways!
Higher frequency -> more passengers. It really is that simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 05 Dec 2019 07:57:11 No.1427087 Report

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>>1427076
It boggles the mind that people would expect ridership to increase by itself with such terrible service aimed at only serving captive demand. It's really not that hard to get an idea of when service is minimally convenient and when it's not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Dec 2019 22:13:12 No.1427919 Report

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Anyone notice how despite the much smoother and quieter engine on electric buses, you still have to listen to the windows shake every time it hits the slightest of a bump?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2019 23:30:54 No.1430430 Report

Quoted By:

>>1416504

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 04:09:56 No.1430515 Report

Quoted By: >>1430667

>>1416504
When the wait/ride time exceeds walking time to the destination

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 05:30:20 No.1430545 Report

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>>1416506
Kill yourself

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 07:45:41 No.1430570 Report

Quoted By:

2 times a day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 07:52:52 No.1430572 Report

Quoted By:

buses in my area run bihourly between 7-7 and don't run on weekends

location: menlo park ca

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 15:21:47 No.1430667 Report

Quoted By:

>>1430515
That's not the full formula.
You also have to consider the time to prepare (for) the trip, e.g. by checking the time table and tariff information, and the annoyance related to that.
Which is part of the reason smart devices could mean a revolution for public transit. Unfortunately apps developed by third parties generally turn out to be better than the official ones released by the transportation authorities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 17:38:53 No.1430691 Report

Quoted By: >>1430743 >>1430842

>>1416513
>Do you want buses every 10 minutes with a handful of passengers on each one?
Yes. Cut their capacity in half or in quarter and run them constantly. In my city there is ALREADY only a handful of people on any bus at any time because using the bus is so fucking time consuming and inconvenient. The idea of huge busses running every 30-60 minutes is retarded. Chop them in half and run them twice as often.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 21:38:58 No.1430739 Report

Quoted By: >>1430740

>>1416928
>>>1416504 (OP)
i know this dude whinin about busses every 30 minutes where im at theres the bus stops once to pick up and once to drop off and it doesnt run on weekends

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 21:47:00 No.1430740 Report

Quoted By:

>>1430739
>>1416928
>>1430739
Entirely depends on where you live.
If you live in the middle of fucking nowhere, then 2 or 5 buses a day almost seems appropriate. (It's not.)
Seriously, before you move anywhere, get a job, and so on, make sure it works out for you.
There is no need to live in the city center, but living out in "the wilds", you only got yourselves to blame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 22:13:10 No.1430743 Report

Quoted By: >>1430744

>>1430691
Right, and put half the fuel on the buses, and pay your employees half the salary?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 22:17:34 No.1430744 Report

Quoted By:

>>1430743
Technically the smaller buses WOULD be more fuel efficient and help to even that aspect out. The increase in cost would be offset by the increase in usage of the more reliable and frequent buses, and I wouldn't mind paying some increased city taxes to help fund the better system anyhow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2019 23:48:54 No.1430780 Report

Quoted By: >>1430873

>>1416504
you're lucky.
here in the middle of Bumblefuck we have four departures in the morning (3 of them between 6:40 and 7:50) and three in the evening (between 4:45 and 7:45). Ten years ago it was a comfy 30 minute frequency from 6:00am to 8:30pm. Every two years departures were reduced because "muh unfeasible muh half-empty bus muh avoiding bankrupt muh ecology".

Fuckin owner just bought a 2 million euros house, yet his bus drivers are still waiting for October and November wages. What the actual fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 03:57:10 No.1430842 Report

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>>1430691
This honestly seems like a rational idea. Many small cities have large buses that run far too infrequently and don't get used.
Smaller buses running more frequently would be a better way to get people into public transport.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2019 06:58:00 No.1430873 Report

Quoted By:

>>1430780
Sounds like "the Power of the Free Market" to me.
Why are you complaining? Do you hate freedom?

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