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How to bike in traffic

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:25:16 No.1510179 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1510180 >>1510742 >>1510745 >>1511512 >>1511649 >>1512591 >>1512598 >>1513194 >>1514058 >>1517674

So i havent been on a bike since i was 10. Want to go on a casual bike ride AND NOT DIE.
Whats up with the hand signals and stuff?

There is a bike path around my town. I have a bike. But to get there i have to travel through traffic. Or ride on sidewalk. Im as basic as you can imagine when it comes to biking. Give me some tips

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:29:16 No.1510180 Report

Quoted By: >>1510181 >>1518050

>>1510179
Follow the traffic laws, just like any vehicle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:30:48 No.1510181 Report

Quoted By: >>1510185 >>1510188 >>1510195

>>1510180
i dont even have a car license.
I know the laws more or less but not confident enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:33:39 No.1510185 Report

Quoted By: >>1510186

>>1510181
>i dont even have a car license.
Why

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:36:18 No.1510186 Report

Quoted By: >>1518051

>>1510185
no money.
I have about 900 euro on my account, a drivin license is 700 not counting medical.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:37:09 No.1510187 Report

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Goes without saying but if you're gonna bike in traffic, make doubly sure everything on your bike is working, working well, and customized for you.
Anyway it's not scary after you get used to your neighborhood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:37:13 No.1510188 Report

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>>1510181
You should probably not be operating a vehicle in traffic then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:44:51 No.1510195 Report

Quoted By: >>1510200

>>1510181
Learn the rules, and ride low traffic streets until you get more confident. Ride predictably.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:49:19 No.1510200 Report

Quoted By: >>1510205 >>1511512 >>1513872

>>1510195
i live in a small euro town, less of 50k people. I just dont know what cars expect of me. My planned ride has only 2 points where i have to cross roads that have real traffic. I can either go on the road, get off the bike and push it or detour.

One of those points is literally right next to the town hospital so that would be funky.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 21:58:38 No.1510205 Report

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>>1510200
>I just dont know what cars expect of me.
They either expect you to behave like a vehicle, so study up on the rules like I said, or they don't expect you at all and will panic at the mere sight of you, in which case you're fucked.

>I can either go on the road, get off the bike and push it or detour.
Pick one. Maybe not the firs one, considering how nervouse just the thought of riding a bicycle seems to make you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 22:06:12 No.1510211 Report

Quoted By: >>1510218 >>1510226

>>1510205
Fuck. Yeah ill just push my bike on the crossing then. One of them even has lights, would be dumb of me not to.

I know the rules and signs but yeah im neurotic af. Maybe i should just go for it. Im planning on riding on a low traffic time, good chance there wont be any cars at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 22:20:48 No.1510218 Report

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>>1510211
Hope you'll enjoy the bike path part of your ride.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jul 2020 22:31:25 No.1510226 Report

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>>1510211
>Maybe i should just go for it

i vote this. report back

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jul 2020 21:40:43 No.1510653 Report

Quoted By: >>1511414 >>1511489 >>1513197 >>1525279

Be predictable, visible, respect other's right of way and you shouldn't have much trouble. Having a mirror will make your riding much less stressful.

You'll be tempted to ride as close to the curb as possible, don't. If drivers think they have the space to pass, they'll squeeze by.

Drivers will often stop and try waving you across the road. That's a good way to get killed. You can avoid that situation by better choosing how you cross busy roads (intersection with signals / 4 way stops, do a right turn then get into a left turn lane for protection).

Most of the time hand signals are counter productive, drivers just think you are waving them through. I only signal some of the time when I think it might actually be of some benefit.

If a driver ahead of me is on a side street to my right, I'll give them a courtesy signal if I'm turning right down that street. 99% of the time they don't trust me that I'm actually turning and will sit there until after I turn.

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 00:40:52 No.1510722 Report

Quoted By: >>1510732 >>1511414 >>1517858 >>1518146

>You'll be tempted to ride as close to the curb as possible, don't.
Don't listen to that dumbfuck OP, drivers are more likely to fuck with you or just run you off the road for doing this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 01:24:13 No.1510732 Report

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>>1510722
OP indicated he doesn't live in America.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 02:05:35 No.1510742 Report

Quoted By: >>1511393 >>1511414 >>1511514

>>1510179
There are two general schools of thought on city cycling safety:

A) You are a vehicle just like any other, with all of the same rights to the road. Occupy the whole lane if you feel like it

B) You are much more fragile than other vehicles, and your riding should reflect this. Pretend you are invisible, assume nobody can see you

Those are the extremes, and most people are somewhere in between somewhere but favor one style or the other. I favor option B, and assume that every driver is a blind maniac who stole a car and is on a rampage. I never assume that cars will obey traffic signals or signs or laws because they often don't. I prefer side streets, or main streets with heavy traffic because heavy traffic moves slower and is more predictable.

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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Sat 04 Jul 2020 02:13:31 No.1510745 Report

Quoted By: >>1510873

>>1510179
>casual bike ride NOT DIE
,,,,,,
,,basedouwantoride?,
,,,,thinkyou gotwhatitakes?!,
,WELLLLLL,heres youradvice>NEVER!,
,,,around cages,,beready forages,,,CAGES KILL!,
,,,,,,happpy mom backng overyou,nice,and,slow.,
,,NEVERELAX!,,,bikepath,,go wobbly.,,Road? HEAD ONA SWIVEL!,,sneaky sneaky CAGES!,
,eachone isa NINJA KILLER,,,,andyour nameisup.,
,,,,,beready to RABBIT,,yellow lines BEDAMNED!,
,,i get cringy taking out fledglings,,,need Dragonfly sense,,,,sortalike SPider,,,but you cantell a cages windsheild ispeeding.,
,
,,so?,,,start riding local!,,by local imean YOUR KITCHEN,,,pasthe chairs inn zigzag pattern,,,tie oneto thedog for dynamics,,,now do thestairs!,
,,slowsharpturns,,,lots of brakes,.,
,,,3weeks,,,then askagain.,
,and POSTBIKE,,road?

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Anonymous Sat 04 Jul 2020 09:05:14 No.1510873 Report

Quoted By: >>1511208

>>1510745
stop

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Jul 2020 00:53:27 No.1511208 Report

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>>1510873
hammertime

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Jul 2020 17:38:35 No.1511393 Report

Quoted By: >>1511414 >>1512594

>>1510742
>Occupy the whole lane if you feel like it
The idea of this isn't about rights , it's about forcing the cars to see you and not push you off the road.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Jul 2020 18:04:02 No.1511414 Report

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>>1510653
>>1510722
>>1510742
>>1511393
If cagers feel about me the same way I feel about pedestrians, I think it's safer to give them as much space as possible to pass in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Jul 2020 20:59:22 No.1511489 Report

Quoted By: >>1511651

>>1510653
this, few enough drivers know the real hand signals that I will generally do an exaggerated point in the direction I'm turning. Definitely gotten myself in shitty situations by signaling a right turn the right way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Jul 2020 22:05:21 No.1511512 Report

Quoted By: >>1511556 >>1511994 >>1512585

>>1510179
Ride predictably, always signal your turns with your hands and look back over the shoulder before actually turning left or right.

>>1510200
>My planned ride has only 2 points where i have to cross roads that have real traffic

So what's the problem? Just cycle over the road when the lights are green or in the non lights crossing case when the road is free to pass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 05 Jul 2020 22:06:27 No.1511514 Report

Quoted By: >>1511556 >>1511994 >>1525279

>>1510742
>B) Pretend you are invisible, assume nobody can see you

Never heard such a nonsense.

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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Sun 05 Jul 2020 23:37:22 No.1511556 Report

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>>1511512
>>1511514
OP??thiswillgetyoukilled!,
,,,Shamesending children toplayin theroad!,,teach themfirsthe WAys tolive@!
,,"look over your shoulder",,POOOW!,,you swervedanderously!,,,ooo goon showme how "You can fullookback and not?,,,cantdoit!,
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Anonymous Mon 06 Jul 2020 05:14:19 No.1511649 Report

Quoted By: >>1513871

>>1510179
Get a rear blinker
Take the right third of the lane
Ride in the road and die like a man, or live like a little boy on the sidewalk
Put it into an easy to pedal gear as you approach red lights
Dont fight cars
Dont react to assholes
When you pull up alongside a motorcycle you have to make rumbley harley sounds and rev your handlebars
Point with left arm for left turn, right with right
Ride on roads 40 mph and below.
Counterintuitive but four lane roads are safer to ride since people can pass you easily and will not close pass.
If girls whistle at you, flex
Drink a cup of coffee before you go
Wear a helmet
Bring two squeeze bottles
Dont carry too much shit with you
Dont be afraid to just wander, riding around randomly.
Shift into a super easy to pedal gear when going up long hills
Pedal full tits down hills in biggie smalls gear
Dont wear a mask
Spit in the street it is your right as a cyclist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jul 2020 05:16:52 No.1511651 Report

Quoted By: >>1511991

>>1511489
Thats not the right way. That is a right turn car signal. It isnt your right hand with a car because your arm isnt 6 ft long

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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Mon 06 Jul 2020 22:16:55 No.1511988 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 06 Jul 2020 22:22:47 No.1511991 Report

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>>1511651
I use my right arm to point right as my right turn signal and drivers are as confused by that as they are if I make use my left arm. I may as well be sieg heiling while jerking off as far as they're concerned. As long as they don't hit me I don't give a shit.

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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Mon 06 Jul 2020 22:31:21 No.1511994 Report

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>>1511512
>>1511514
WTfail?,,,idid thispost Yesterday?,,,ya,i did.,
,,,OP?,Dontyoudare followthis,,,youstay OFF theroad!,,
,Anonshame!,,childrenin theroad?,,,goplalyintraffic!,
,,,ifyourelax,,YOUDIE!,,,im watching cages fromamileaway,,,are they ridingtrue?,nonwobbly?,,get closer do we connectmentaly and shift left?,,,dontrusthem!!,
,GeTa mirror for your helmet,,,,turning tolook is suicide!,
,,,ooOOO Mister BIKing,,letsee you ride aline and fullookback?,,,ya,cant doit!,,and a child willlllll bein the KILLZONE.,
,,,,secondnature??,NO, iwant FIRSTNATURE,,,the bike turns while yourstill amazed athe ninngacages moves.,,lawnrides,,getuff,before you TUFFENED!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jul 2020 01:02:08 No.1512070 Report

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Listen, ride on the left always, watch for turning cars from both sides, move over for oncoming cyclist, & FK THE FAKE LAWS!

You will live longer & avoid cagers / road ragers / high speed idiots.

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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Tue 07 Jul 2020 23:59:30 No.1512585 Report

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>>1511512
whydelete,,,,athird time?,
,,,,justlethe Bacon bewrong?,
,orisithe,bulling?,,,,slaping OP tohard?,,orthispasticalamity?>
>>1511512
MURDER!,,,this post IS!,
,,,safty first OP,,nostreetime forU!,,,learnfirst.,
,/n/ HELPME?,,lookover shoulder OK?,,,,orsplatter?
,,,capcha=cages

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 00:20:57 No.1512591 Report

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>>1510179
>Get both a front and back light
>Always stay to the right, but try to keep at least a meter between your tires and the curb
>don't ride in the shoulder
>try to avoid left turns, use the cross walk and walk your bike if traffic is heavy, especially since you're new
>assume every driver is an idiot; don't ever get bold and assume you have the right of way even if you technically do
>ride predictably. Don't weave in and out of traffic or parked cars. Just go straight.
>taking the lane is very context-dependent. avoid doing that until you're more experienced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 00:29:21 No.1512594 Report

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>>1511393
This works great until you inevitably run into a psycopath. The only time you should occupy a lane is when it's single lane and there isn't enough room beside you for a car to pass safely (you should probably be on the sidewalk in this case though), or when traffic is low and there is plenty of room for cars to pass you in the other lane. If you're taking the lane during rush hour and have a line up of cars behind you going 25km/h you're just being an ass and probably deserve to be run down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 00:52:23 No.1512598 Report

Quoted By: >>1512600 >>1513199

>>1510179
I'm pretty comfortable riding on roads but these days I stick to footpaths and trails where I can. Riding on roads is just so boring and frustrating. It's the worst parts of driving (rules and limits) with the worst parts of cycling (slow, hard work, more so when you frequently stop at traffic lights). It's just not as fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jul 2020 00:55:18 No.1512600 Report

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>>1512598
I find it more stressful trying to weave in and out of foot traffic and families with kids, dogs, strollers etc. all of whom think they own the path and have no regard for their own safety

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 07:48:59 No.1513194 Report

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>>1510179
>AND NOT DIE
just die once and then you ll be fine, just get on bike right after, or you might get scared and wont ride for a long period of time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 08:23:44 No.1513197 Report

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>>1510653
cagers get real mad if you cruise in the middle of the street. Give them space to overtake when it's safe. Don't let them overtake when it isn't safe or you genuinely need to be in the middle of the road like at a junction or something. In those cases, make it obvious why you're in the middle. Expect to get honked at. Just give them the middle finger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 08:27:15 No.1513199 Report

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>>1512598
Dodging traffic is fun and dynamic. I love feeling super fast because I'm blitzing through gridlock.
> stop at traffic lights
wew lad

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 09:08:30 No.1513205 Report

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practice riding at night until you are comfortable, avoid commute time traffic

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 10:45:59 No.1513218 Report

Quoted By: >>1513228

Get one of those, attach it perpendicular to your frame, hang a colorful ribbon at the end.
Carry pepper spray for when cagers who passed you unsafely stop to discuss the new deep scratch in their paint job.

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Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 11:19:47 No.1513228 Report

Quoted By: >>1513237

>>1513218
what about pulling a few strands of barbed wire behind you to enforce safe following distance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 09 Jul 2020 11:43:50 No.1513237 Report

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>>1513228
I feel like that would waste too many watts. Plus if a cage catches it on its tires, you have no way to escape to the side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 14:46:19 No.1513871 Report

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>>1511649
>Take the right third of the lane
not a good idea if he is english

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 14:48:40 No.1513872 Report

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>>1510200
>i live in a small euro town, less of 50k people
name of the town? which country?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jul 2020 22:28:28 No.1514058 Report

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>>1510179
bang on their hood if they get to close

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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Fri 17 Jul 2020 23:36:17 No.1517674 Report

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>>1510179
didyou,,,followadvice,,andie?,
,,sentinto traffic toplay,,,justrusthe cage,,,situational awrness overrated?,
,,,,safezone PRACTICE you fledgling!,,tighturns,,,faststops,,JUMP!,,abadone your bike to wolfs.,
,,,,,,,,OP?,,,,OP!!?,,,,OOOP!!!!,,,,a freshly washed pavement.
,ithinkill.

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Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 09:55:22 No.1517858 Report

Quoted By: >>1517920

>>1510722
This
It’s so frustrating when a gaggle of cyclists take up the whole lane when it’s clear of traffic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 14:28:45 No.1517920 Report

Quoted By: >>1517923

>>1517858
>hrrrr I shouldn't have to change lanes to pass one particular type of vehicle

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 14:36:03 No.1517923 Report

Quoted By: >>1517942 >>1518002

>>1517920
I'm inclined to agree with the cagers on this one. If you're slow, you should as far to the outside of the road as practical, regardles of what type of vehicle you are, so to not present more of an obstruction to traffic than neccesary. If you're a tractor, you're probably going to be taking up most of the lane anyway, but that doesn't mean it's OK for a bicycle to pretend it's a tractor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 15:20:04 No.1517942 Report

Quoted By: >>1518014 >>1518015

>>1517923
It just encourages drivers to pass you in the same lane even if there is oncoming traffic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 17:35:04 No.1518002 Report

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>>1517923
>I MUST get first to the next red light!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 18:00:23 No.1518014 Report

Quoted By: >>1518019 >>1521752

>>1517942
That's the theory I keep hearing here on /n/, but I haven't really seen realized IRL.

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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Sat 18 Jul 2020 18:10:14 No.1518015 Report

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>>1517942
sotrue,,,they wonthit me,,,but Will hit oncomeing traffic headon,,,letting me enter a flaming debrifeild.,
,,,have had cages push semis ontothe shoulder!,,,c,,cc,,,,CRAZY!,
,,mostly i jumpin a ditch,,work truckseethis and respect.,if i holdthe road,They listen.
,,reading traffic,,keepsthemalive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 18:24:43 No.1518019 Report

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>>1518014
In my experience drivers appreciate you taking the lane where necessary. It removes any ambiguity as to whether they can squeeze by reducing anxiety they might feel. They just change lanes to go around, no drama.

I've done 110,000 km of riding around here with no problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 19:43:40 No.1518050 Report

Quoted By: >>1521609

>>1510180
>Follow traffic laws like good hoy
>Get run over by Karen in her Ford Explorer while waiting for the light to turn red
Yes goy follow """laws""" AND you Will survive

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 19:44:55 No.1518051 Report

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>>1510186
>700 yuro loicense
Beaner here, loicenses here are like $20 a year, you can even get an internacional one for around $120

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 22:49:46 No.1518146 Report

Quoted By: >>1518147

>>1510722
can someone not retarded help me out with whats going on here; why might the car in top right be in the wrong lane

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Jul 2020 22:50:53 No.1518147 Report

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>>1518146
nvm -_-
as i said, retard

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BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 Sat 25 Jul 2020 04:56:18 No.1521588 Report

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cheackingfor,,,apulse.

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Anonymous Sat 25 Jul 2020 06:04:19 No.1521609 Report

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>>1518050
>Don't follow traffic laws because they are somehow jewish
>Get pasted because you are retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Jul 2020 16:44:24 No.1521752 Report

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>>1518014
My close calls from cagies were almost all this. Probably half the time its because multiple cars are in a row so the one in the back doesn't see why the ones in front are halfway dipping into the other lane.

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Gears !MT5GearsOc Fri 31 Jul 2020 21:05:29 No.1525279 Report

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>>1510653
>You'll be tempted to ride as close to the curb as possible, don't. If drivers think they have the space to pass, they'll squeeze by.
this may or may not be a good idea. Sure, you're keeping them from overtaking when they can't, but if you overdo it, some may try anyways. Best for everyone to leave them room to overtake where applicable and only hog the middle where it makes sense.
>Most of the time hand signals are counter productive, drivers just think you are waving them through. I only signal some of the time when I think it might actually be of some benefit.
Not sure how it's in OPs country, but this sounds like a supreme way to end up under a bus. Especially when turning left DO indicate. But not by swiftly waving to the side for a split second. Stretch your arm in that direction visibly for an extendend period of time to make it actually clear that you intend to go there. Then check if the air is clear before pulling there.
Ambiguous signals obviously don't help anyone. Be clear about intentions, or someone may see their chance to overtake when they didn't see that small road you want to get into.

>>1511514
it's an exaggeration
Just means you should be alert and not rely blindly on others actively taking care of not hitting you. It's a common approach with motorbikes too.

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