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Ontario LRT

Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 14:55:22 No.1519977 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1519979 >>1519985 >>1520008 >>1520495 >>1520928 >>1535977 >>1541465

Ontario, LRT has come to be a popular form of rapid transit

Waterloo got one a few years ago, Ottawa recently got one and there are 2 lrt lines under construction in Toronto.

http://www.metrolinx.com/en/greaterregion/projects/toronto-lrt.aspx

Most of the lines have tunneled, at grade, and above grade alignments.

Is ontario going in the right direction with this sort of transit? Should toronto be building heavy rail subways?

Also a new line will soon be under construction that is currently some unknown light rail technology, called "ontario line"

Is light rail the wat to go, or is subways always better?

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 15:06:27 No.1519979 Report

Quoted By: >>1519981 >>1521250

>>1519977
The 2 lines under construction in Toronto have both at grade (middle of the road alignment) as well as tunneled sections

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 15:07:33 No.1519981 Report

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>>1519979

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 15:32:00 No.1519985 Report

Quoted By: >>1519987 >>1541468

>>1519977
>Should toronto be building heavy rail subways?

Yes, the LRT is silly for a city the size of Toronto. For Waterloo/Kitchener it sort of makes sense (though you could just have a heavy rail shuttle along the right of way from Waterloo all the way to Cambridge), for Ottawa it makes less sense. LRT is hard to scale and oftentimes isn't future-proof (Calgary is having this issue now, as they're expanding to 4-car trains to alleviate overcrowding but the platforms were only built for 3-car trains...).

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 15:35:47 No.1519987 Report

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>>1519985
I believe Ottawa runs 2 car trains and the platforms can take 2 of those back to back, so 4 cars

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 15:54:04 No.1520003 Report

Quoted By: >>1520329

Toronto should be building heavy rail subway, but nothing wrong with building LRT in the meantime.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 15:58:28 No.1520008 Report

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>>1519977
The real question is what should Toronto build for Shepperd East?

My idea would be to bring the finch line east down bathurst maybe, tunneled if necessary, and connect it to the tunnel at Yonge and Shepperd, regauge the tracks to standard gauge, then run the LRT on the surface east of Don Mills to STC.

Then there will be a continuous transit line all the way across the north part of the city.

Alternatively, tunnel shepperd subway to STC, link it in with the bloor danforth line, then run a circle line down yonge, east on bloor/danforth, out to STC, west along shepperd and back down Yonge.

Not sure if a circle line in the east end is necessary but it would at least make Shepperd a useful line

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Anonymous Wed 22 Jul 2020 22:20:34 No.1520329 Report

Quoted By: >>1520706 >>1520737

>>1520003
So long as it's surface rail
Tunneling takes forever

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 04:01:10 No.1520495 Report

Quoted By: >>1520693 >>1520700

>>1519977
Not everything is good news.
>The Hamilton LRT was formally canceled for dubious reason
>Brampton station for the Hurontario LRT will be built on the wrong side
>part of the the Eglinton LRT won't have priority signaling
Also it seems the plans for the Eglinton West Extension involves OVER building.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 12:47:55 No.1520693 Report

Quoted By: >>1520713

>>1520495
Eglinton west isn't funded yet.
And Hamilton and brampton both voted to cancel their LRTs

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 13:04:26 No.1520700 Report

Quoted By: >>1520707

>>1520495
There will be 3 different types of signals at each signalized intersection on the at-grade; pedestrian signals, traffic signals for road vehicles and transit signals. In general, light rail vehicles will follow road signals, so will need to stop at reds, wait for the advance turns to finish and then proceed on green.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 13:12:00 No.1520706 Report

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>>1520329
If the city government had the guts to actually inconvenience people briefly, they could just do cut-and-cover to save money and time.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 13:12:28 No.1520707 Report

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>>1520700
They should have just made an overpass over leslie like they did at black creek

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 13:28:04 No.1520713 Report

Quoted By: >>1520717

>>1520693
Hamilton did not vote to cancel their LRT. It's was the province that canceled it. The news was bad enough that the transport minister canceled the press conference and needed a police escort out of Hamilton.
The previous Brampton council did vote against the LRT but it was put back on the table after their municipal election. https://bramptonlrt.com/
Though Brampton would still get a station at Steeles regardless of new or old council.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 13:33:09 No.1520717 Report

Quoted By: >>1520726

>>1520713
Wasnt the line supposed to connect to another go station further north?

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 13:45:33 No.1520726 Report

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>>1520717
Yes, the original Hurontario LRT plans went all the way north to the Brampton GO station. The rich NIMBYs on Main St didn't want it so the terminus was at Steeles.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 14:24:02 No.1520737 Report

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>>1520329
Why can't the bloor line extension to Scarborough be above ground? There's plenty of space along hydro and rail corridors to run it. The old Scarborough RT should just be torn down

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 22:23:00 No.1520928 Report

Quoted By: >>1520945

>>1519977
The LRTs are okay if they are grade separated, or mostly grade separated. Afaik the eglinton LRT will only not have priority at leslie street, to allow cars to make left turns.
Finch west is the same but there arent many major intersections it crosses, and I believe it's below grade when it gets to highway 27.

For the north part of the city they're a cheap solution for transit. But something like the Ontario line should be heavy rail. I also agree that the subways should only be tunneled downtown, and in the burbs use existing rail right of ways or utility corridors and run it on the surface. That's how most european cities do it anyway.

Sheperd LRT should be scrapped and the province or city should bite the bullet and extend the line to Scarborough. It may actually get used if it went somewhere useful

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Anonymous Thu 23 Jul 2020 22:50:10 No.1520945 Report

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>>1520928
>jane
>Weston road
>islington

It crosses many highly trafficked intersections. Finch west LRT is gonna be a glorified streetcar desu

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 01:00:31 No.1521002 Report

Quoted By: >>1521187

Look at it this way. Traditional, european-style subways offer little more in capacity and speed than a well-built modern LRT. And with building transit infrastructure being so expensive nowadays for some reason, it figures that it doesn't make sense to build heavy rail for those kinds of demands. If you are going to build a subway it should be built to a massive, asian style scale, with 8+ car trains and stations at least 1km apart, and covering much farther distances than just within a city, reaching out into the suburbs. Basically a somewhat smaller scaled commuter rail.

LRT is good for the fine distribution, as in you change from heavy rail (commuter rail or subway) to local transit (bus or LRT/streetcar). LRT has good capacity and good speed for this, so whenever you need something more than a bus an LRT will do fine. Subways are good as main trunk lines, but not for full coverage, unless the city is really ridiculously large and dense (like Tokyo, London, Paris, etc.). An example of subways intending full coverage and not working out well is Barcelona. You have a subway that's impractical for longer distances because it's relatively slow (especially if you have changeovers), while commuter rail is insufficiently built up to reach S-Bahn type service within the closer suburbs and inner city (more stations and frequency but less than subways). The expansion of this subway is extremely expensive, so it constantly lags behind the actual needs of the city, and the inflexible line pattern often requires several changeovers even for shorter trips. LRT would be much faster to expand, and you could have a variety of services minimizing changeovers, plus changeovers would be at-grade.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 13:06:10 No.1521187 Report

Quoted By: >>1521247

>>1521002
The problem with Toronto is the existing heavy rail subway lines are already at capacity. Adding spoke line LRTs to the existing north/south subway lines will fill them up faster.

But i do agree with you that lrt is the right technology for the more suburban parts of the city

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 15:44:12 No.1521247 Report

Quoted By: >>1521351 >>1521352

>>1521187
>The problem with Toronto is the existing heavy rail subway lines are already at capacity.
Fair enough. But afaik headway is about 2.5 minutes. This can be reduced all the way to 1 minute, which would be more than twice the capacity.
Also I believe Toronto also has lots of room to improve the commuter rail, that's important as well.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 15:49:37 No.1521250 Report

Quoted By: >>1521322

>>1519979
tunneled LRT combines the cost of a metro with the lower capacity and speed of a tram. and I don't get why big North American cities have these cute little trams, that have barely more capacity compared to a bendy bus while a small European city uses 50 meters long tramways.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 18:41:54 No.1521322 Report

Quoted By: >>1521338

>>1521250
The problem is the density in many north american cities isn't centralized. There are sprawling suburbs of every major city, and commuter rail that brings the suburbanites into the urban core. Downtown Toronto uses streetcars (trams), many in mixed traffic, or partly mixed partly right of way etc.

One street they recently closed to through traffic so the streetcar essentially has full right of way.

Tunneling part of the LRTs just burries them in the busiest section of the city while allowing easy expansion into suburbs on the surface

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 19:05:30 No.1521338 Report

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>>1521322
There's a couple tunnels for the streetcars in your picture too.
One goes into union station to exchange at platform level with Line 1. The other goes into spadina station to exchange line 2, and I think both ends of the st Clair streetcar tunnel into the stations on line 1

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 19:51:37 No.1521351 Report

Quoted By: >>1521385

>>1521247
>this can be reduced to 1 minute
Not on the TTC it can't be. Moscow is aiming to get to 50 trains per hour, and that would be the most frequent service on the planet. Any increase in frequency beyond that is impossible with current signal technology.

Absolutely agree with improving GO. It should be a through-running all-day regional rail service, and they need to electrify the lines to get quicker accelerating EMUs on the line. I also think they could potentially emulate Paris's Transilien to allow for towns further out (think Coubourg, Niagara Falls, Woodstock) to be connected to the city with a relatively quick train ride, even if it runs only hourly. So something like a service that runs nonstop (or very limited stop) to the end of GO service, then runs more like a commuter train from there.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 19:57:08 No.1521352 Report

Quoted By: >>1521355

>>1521247
>Also I believe Toronto also has lots of room to improve the commuter rail, that's important as well.
This is happening across the entire network.
Right now they're mostly extending it deeper into the suburbs and surrounding cities, or adding more track for more express services.

There's commuter rail as far north as Barrie, south west as Niagara falls, and east as Oshawa, with plans to extend that line to Bowmanville, and create a new line to Peterborough.

The stations within the city limits are being better integrated into new rapid transit plans (see Caledonia and Mount Dennis stations in OP pic). They're also aiming to electrify some of the lines and have 15min service.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 20:05:05 No.1521355 Report

Quoted By: >>1521356

>>1521352
Are there any plans to extend the Stouffville to Uxbridge? Seems like a no-brainer, the ROW is there already.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 20:07:56 No.1521356 Report

Quoted By: >>1521357

>>1521355
They're doubling the track now
http://www.metrolinx.com/en/greaterregion/projects/stouffville-go-expansion.aspx

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 20:12:18 No.1521357 Report

Quoted By: >>1521360

>>1521356
So no plans to extend? Or is the current expansion setting up an extension?

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 20:20:28 No.1521360 Report

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>>1521357
I guess not dude, read the metrolinx report

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 21:21:48 No.1521385 Report

Quoted By: >>1521401

>>1521351
>Not on the TTC it can't be. Moscow is aiming to get to 50 trains per hour, and that would be the most frequent service on the planet.
rn they're looking to get 2 minutes, 1.5 minutes is still attainable with improved signalling. Expensive, but not as much as additional lines.

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Anonymous Fri 24 Jul 2020 21:46:11 No.1521401 Report

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>>1521385
They have recently upgraded all the signaling to have automatic train control

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Anonymous Sat 25 Jul 2020 22:37:02 No.1521876 Report

Quoted By: >>1521912 >>1521918

when the hell are they actually electrifying the lakeshore east and lakeshore west lines
its been in the planning stages for years now

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jul 2020 00:27:11 No.1521912 Report

Quoted By: >>1521918 >>1522204

>>1521876
would electrification really improve service quality in a noticeable way?

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jul 2020 00:32:04 No.1521918 Report

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>>1521876
Whenever Metrolinx decided to get off their asses and pick a vendor to actually work on the project.

>>1521912
Well trains every 15 minutes seems like a good one. As well electric trains allow for more stops to be added thus increasing connectivity and usability.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jul 2020 00:35:45 No.1521920 Report

Quoted By: >>1522111 >>1522206

>tfw Waterloo LRT has like four people riding on it during rush hour because of corona
>it used to be very packed with some people not even able to get on and having to wait for the next train at stations near Kitchener downtown during the peak demand hours

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jul 2020 13:35:46 No.1522111 Report

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>>1521920
Is the waterloo LRT useful? I've never ridden it

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jul 2020 18:51:37 No.1522204 Report

Quoted By: >>1522211

>>1521912
Aside from being more energy efficient (e.g. regenerative braking), electric trains, especially multiple units, accelerate much quicker and so you spend less time and distance getting up to speed, cutting down on travel time.

I also think with track work on the Lakeshore lines they could raise the line speed to 160km/h. Only a few of the interstation distances are large enough for the trains to meaningfully get up to that speed, but getting the entire line quicker would also cut down travel times.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jul 2020 18:52:40 No.1522206 Report

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>>1521920
How many of those people won't return for the next while? I imagine Google employees take the LRT, they're working from home until 2021 at least.

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jul 2020 19:02:51 No.1522211 Report

Quoted By: >>1522284

>>1522204
There's still a lot of at grade crossings on lakeshore west. The few around Clarkson are hard to eliminate too

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Anonymous Sun 26 Jul 2020 21:58:07 No.1522284 Report

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>>1522211
Most of them should be easy to eliminate, for a few the road needs to be lowered and the rest the line needs to be raised. The two problem crossings I see are Chartwell between Oakville and Clarkson (you might be able to lower the road there, not sure) and Clarkson Road (in theory you could raise the line but the presence of the rail yard there makes that problematic.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jul 2020 16:54:38 No.1522672 Report

Quoted By: >>1522694

What was the point of extending a line to Vaughan when that line was already at capacity?

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jul 2020 17:57:04 No.1522694 Report

Quoted By: >>1522736

>>1522672
It's only the "Yonge" half of the line that is at capacity, which is why extending the line to Richmond Hill without some sort of Relief Line is insanity. The western half which goes to Vaughan still has room to spare.

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Anonymous Mon 27 Jul 2020 19:14:40 No.1522736 Report

Quoted By: >>1522964

>>1522694
Is relief line going to be subway or LRT technology?

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:03:09 No.1522949 Report

Quoted By: >>1522950 >>1531477 >>1535917 >>1537155

I came up with a Transilien-like network for Toronto, what are your thoughts?

Each line is less than 160km and is run at up to 160km/h. Every half hour during peak hours, hourly otherwise, with the exception of that line between Waterloo/Kitchener and Cambridge (and then onward to Ayr), which is more like a shuttle service and is every 15 minutes.

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Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:05:35 No.1522950 Report

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>>1522949
Should have explained more. Basically the services run nonstop (or limited stop if there are Via stops along the line) until the end of a GO line and then run commuter from there on (like the Transilien in Paris).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Jul 2020 01:49:04 No.1522964 Report

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>>1522736
The Ontario Line as it's now called will be a subway, but not like Lines 1, 2, and 4 are. The trains will be shorter than the full subway trains but longer than the SRT trains by the looks of it. The only other thing we know for certain is the line will be fully automated; so no drivers on board. We don't know what trains will actually be used, if they will be 3rd rail or overhead catenary, or what the exact dimensions of the vehicles will be (although Metrolinx does imply the 6 car trains will be around 100m long, for comparison a 6 car train on Lines 1 and 2 are about 137m long). I think it is also safe to assume that the line won't be using the LIM tech used on the SRT as we have seen that tech doesn't really work well in our climate; and a portion of the Ontario Line is slated to be elevated. This would also rule out rubber tire as well.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:26:31 No.1523943 Report

Quoted By: >>1523960 >>1523978 >>1527500

How do you guys feel about the Woodbine GO?

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 17:52:12 No.1523960 Report

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>>1523943
Can't be worse then the Etobicoke North it's replacing.

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Anonymous Wed 29 Jul 2020 18:19:41 No.1523978 Report

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>>1523943
quadruple tracking is a good move, so it's fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 04:07:45 No.1527500 Report

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>>1523943
It's a good model, have private interests build stations to cut down on capital costs for expansions, and stations get a more unique feel, while being better incorporated into adjacent developments

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:36:55 No.1527891 Report

Quoted By: >>1527898 >>1531700

I never actually looked at it before but the Cooksville GO and Hurontario LRT link doesn't look too good. From the LRT platform to the station platform is maybe a 280 meter walk and there's multiple car crossing in between.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Aug 2020 23:44:08 No.1527898 Report

Quoted By: >>1528205 >>1528541

>>1527891
It's also at a small grade.

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Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 14:05:08 No.1528205 Report

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>>1527898
They should extend the platforms to hurontario and have a walkway by the rail line

At least you're contained in the same system that way

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Anonymous Thu 06 Aug 2020 22:38:33 No.1528541 Report

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>>1527898
Explain this photo

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Anonymous Fri 07 Aug 2020 05:48:38 No.1528727 Report

Quoted By: >>1528768 >>1528823 >>1528825

>tfw Toronto is forever destined to start new subway projects and cancel them
I will be lucky if the downtown relief is built by the time im 60

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Anonymous Fri 07 Aug 2020 09:07:36 No.1528768 Report

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>>1528727
(((Neoliberalism))) is ideologically against increasing supply of public goods.

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Anonymous Fri 07 Aug 2020 12:21:40 No.1528823 Report

Quoted By: >>1537249

>>1528727
Funny how they show Main and Danforth as interchange stations when really they're 2 blocks apart

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Anonymous Fri 07 Aug 2020 12:32:18 No.1528825 Report

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>>1528727
They should run the subway west along the rail line from Kipling to sherway then over to the highway 10 lrt

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 16:09:21 No.1530867 Report

Quoted By: >>1530891 >>1530893 >>1531008

They should move oriole subway station to Leslie Station desu

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 16:43:55 No.1530891 Report

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>>1530867
I believe that is a plan at some point, however this is Metrolinx we are talking about so this project will move at a glacial place and feature no less than 3 shady backroom deals.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 16:46:37 No.1530893 Report

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>>1530867
I believe that is a plan at some point, however this is Metrolinx we are talking about so this project will move at a glacial pace and feature no less than 3 shady backroom deals.

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Anonymous Mon 10 Aug 2020 19:18:43 No.1531008 Report

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>>1530867
It would be an obvious solution to overcrowding on the yonge line if a large proportion of commuters convert to GO transit

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 13:29:01 No.1531477 Report

Quoted By: >>1531485

>>1522949
you connected it to peterborough :, ) I've always dreamed of having rail back in my hometown

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 14:03:26 No.1531485 Report

Quoted By: >>1531487 >>1531518

>>1531477
Genuinely baffling that Peterborough doesn't have a regular service to Toronto.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 14:05:37 No.1531487 Report

Quoted By: >>1531519

>>1531485
Soon

Metrolinx and Via want to aquire the old CP corridor, so metrolinx can run go service and via can do high frequency service to Montréal

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 14:46:35 No.1531518 Report

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>>1531485
dean delmastro wanted it, but he was a crook and probably wouldn't have followed through if he got that far. Peterborough doesn't get any love because it's off of the 401 and juts away from the TOR-MON via corridor. Pretty sure via is working on some sort of connection, and regardless ptbo is becoming a toronto commuting city so rail is inevitable

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 14:53:23 No.1531519 Report

Quoted By: >>1531527

>>1531487
is it actually going to happen? I can't let myself get excited by proposed transit projects in this country, it seems like every 4 years plans get canned and then re proposed as something else. the HFR project would be a dream

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 15:12:17 No.1531527 Report

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>>1531519
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/windsor-quebec-via-rail-1.5188770

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 21:59:38 No.1531700 Report

Quoted By: >>1531768 >>1531772

>>1527891
The LRT platform was proposed to have a direct stair connection to the GO platform. That got deferred along with the City Centre loop and the 407 station.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 23:33:40 No.1531768 Report

Quoted By: >>1531827

>>1531700
An LRT GO station I'm excited about is Caledonia. It's going to be the best integrated GO and TTC station on the subway network, like the connection was actually planned, not just an afterthought like Main, Leslie/Oriole, he'll even Kipling.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Aug 2020 23:35:46 No.1531772 Report

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>>1531700
Thats silly, intermodal connections are extremely important, and the easier they are the more usable they are

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Aug 2020 01:54:10 No.1531827 Report

Quoted By: >>1532698

>>1531768
The connection to GO won't be there when the LRT opens. I believe that part of the project has been delayed by like a year or two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 13 Aug 2020 13:40:08 No.1532698 Report

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>>1531827
Why can't this province build anything on schedule ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 11:29:32 No.1535838 Report

Quoted By: >>1536069

So here's something that happened. The TTC has begun the "Public Engagement" on new trains for Line 2, and will be doing a survey in September.
http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Projects/New_Vehicles/New_Subway_Train/index.jsp

Also the Province issued the RFP (Request for Proposals) for the tunnelling of the SSE.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 14:49:33 No.1535917 Report

Quoted By: >>1535969 >>1538810

>>1522949
>service to orillia and collingwood

I get Peterborough, Guelph, etc...but why?

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 17:07:30 No.1535969 Report

Quoted By: >>1538810

>>1535917
Collingwood is fast growing and highway 26 needs to be widened, or extens the 410 up there

Not sure about Orillia

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 17:36:28 No.1535977 Report

Quoted By: >>1536069

>>1519977
I lived in Ottawa. The new LRT line is a embarrassment. Doesn't work in the winter cause it's too cold and everything is frozen. Doesn't work in the summer cause it's too hot. I don't think they even have full service at this point. Plus the stations stink like shit near Parliament. They're going through with Stage 2 despite Stage 1 being a buggy piece of shit

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 21:19:01 No.1536045 Report

Quoted By: >>1536095 >>1536097

https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2020/08/ontario-moving-forward-with-eglinton-crosstown-west-extension.html
Going to get tunnels. Imagine what could have been if it were actually a subway.

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 22:06:10 No.1536069 Report

Quoted By: >>1538813

>>1535838
Neat, signed up. Hopefully the stop being jews and paint them like the rest of the fleet. Basically just steal Montreal's Azur livery and switch the blue to red, simple as
>>1535977
It's such a shame because I was really impressed when I rode it a few times last fall, peculiar choice of fleet technology notwithstanding. I've been dying to live in a city with proper rapid rail transit my entire life and just as my dream is finally about to manifest I get a double whammy - the system is gimped to shit AND we're nailed with a once-in-a-century pandemic that doesn't appear to be ending anytime soon, if ever. FUCK the politics in this province

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 22:35:01 No.1536079 Report

Quoted By: >>1541469 >>1541494

lol

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 23:03:54 No.1536095 Report

Quoted By: >>1536100

>>1536045
Is subway that much more expensive?

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 23:05:09 No.1536097 Report

Quoted By: >>1536590

>>1536045
We'll get Sheppard dude
We will get more subway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 23:18:59 No.1536100 Report

Quoted By: >>1536104

>>1536095
Upfront, Subways are more expensive but they would've been more cost effective for this transit corridor than a partial tunneled LRT line that doesn't have a full ROW.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 23:26:24 No.1536104 Report

Quoted By: >>1536110

>>1536100
In the east end its not full ROW?

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Anonymous Wed 19 Aug 2020 23:35:40 No.1536110 Report

Quoted By: >>1536115

>>1536104

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Aug 2020 00:13:38 No.1536115 Report

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>>1536110
Dang. That's just like Finch

I hope eglinton and finch are the only lines using this technology.
Why not make the entire network line 1 tech?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 20 Aug 2020 22:51:37 No.1536590 Report

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>>1536097
If Ontario line is some meme overhead wire tier glorified Street car then toronto can't build more subways. The age of toronto subway is over

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Aug 2020 04:02:07 No.1537155 Report

Quoted By: >>1537196

>>1522949
It would nice if they finally build the missing link so we can have a midtown line and a secondary hub in Toronto at north toronto stn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Aug 2020 06:27:09 No.1537196 Report

Quoted By: >>1537378

>>1537155
The missing link is a CN issue not a CP one. The goal of the "missing link" is to get CN off a small stretch of track between Brampton and Guelph on the Kitchener line. With that GO could operate all-day 2-way service to Kitchener as well as electrify the entire Kitchener Line instead of just the portion to Brampton. For the Midtown Corridor this would require getting CP off the line since they own it, however that would require a costly by-pass be built around Toronto like how CN trains now go around Toronto up in by the 407. It's worth noting though that if we could free up the mid-town corridor than that would mean we could not only operate GO service to Peterborough but we could also operate all day 2-way service on the Milton line and electrify it as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Aug 2020 12:48:09 No.1537249 Report

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>>1528823
No different than Leslie. You need to walk under the 401 for that one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Aug 2020 18:30:32 No.1537378 Report

Quoted By: >>1537439

>>1537196
getting GO to Peterborough is part of Vias plans for high frequency rail to Ottawa

we need to divert the commercial rail companies around the city

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Aug 2020 22:14:26 No.1537439 Report

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>>1537378
Yea I know VIA also has its eyes on Peterborough but so does GO but I would assume VIA would be a intercity service that makes few stops between Peterborough and Toronto while GO would be a commuter service that makes more stops while using the mid-town corridor. The 2 just happen to serve the same place.

As for getting CP out of Toronto I do agree with that, although this will obviously come at a price since you and I both know CP won't build its own by-pass without taxpayer help.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Aug 2020 04:13:03 No.1537578 Report

Quoted By: >>1537581 >>1537601

Really questioning the transit process in this province. If they had known Brampton was only willing with digging tunnels for their LRT section, then should the HuLRT have been a subway from the beginning? Though I guess the saving grace is that the LRT benefits as an EMS fast lane.

I wonder if there would be enough merit to build a one stop subway from SQ1 to Cooksville GO with expansion capabilities. I guess that would come down to if the Milton line can get any better.

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Anonymous Sun 23 Aug 2020 04:18:07 No.1537581 Report

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>>1537578
I forgot to mention that the area around Square One is go through with major development over the next few decades with the "Square One District Plan." An additional 18,000 residential units and office towers (apparently 37 towers).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Aug 2020 04:40:18 No.1537601 Report

Quoted By: >>1537697

>>1537578
It really comes down to two things in the case of Brampton. First is the City is full of shit and their whole opposition to the line was because apparently "Main Street" was historic which we all know is a lie. It was nothing more than a bunch of NIMBY's and car owners not wanting to loose a lane of traffic in each direction to the LRT.

Secondly tunnelling is stupidly expensive and the Province and it would be silly to bury the entire Hurontario Line since the ridership potential of the line doesn't warrant the huge cost. On top of that this is the suburbs were talking about, not downtown Toronto. One is a low density suburb with loads of empty space, the other is a dense area of large office towers and condos. However this is Ontario we are talking about, where we sensibly decided that the OL shouldn't be underground outside the downtown core, but at the same time decided the west extension of the Crosstown should be even though Eglinton West is like 6 lanes wide. I do agree the thinking process for transit in Ontario is all sorts of fucked up and is now clearly motivated by political wills and not sensible planning; but I don't believe the Hurontario line should be underground except maybe at Square One but that is it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Aug 2020 11:50:17 No.1537697 Report

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>>1537601
>Crosstown should be even though Eglinton West is like 6 lanes wide
further west eglinton is narrow but there's city owned landed that runs along eglinton in the west

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Anonymous Mon 24 Aug 2020 01:59:45 No.1538014 Report

Quoted By: >>1538038 >>1541472

Remember during the King Street Pilot some businesses made a big fuss over on-street parking? The key figure is closing shop.
https://twitter.com/MetroManTO/status/1297619603129073672

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 24 Aug 2020 03:06:29 No.1538038 Report

Quoted By:

>>1538014
lol get fucked

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Aug 2020 15:20:12 No.1538810 Report

Quoted By:

>>1535917
>>1535969
LINX already acts as a feeder to GO, so it's not unreasonable to provide rail service to Orillia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 25 Aug 2020 15:24:09 No.1538813 Report

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>>1536069
>like the Azur but red
So like the streetcars?

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Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 04:52:10 No.1539101 Report

Quoted By: >>1539622 >>1541521

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/2020/08/25/liuna-offers-to-partner-in-resurrected-lrt-project-worth-35-billion.html
More to this shit show. Toronto 2.0

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Anonymous Wed 26 Aug 2020 15:13:31 No.1539294 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 27 Aug 2020 04:30:37 No.1539622 Report

Quoted By:

>>1539101
Mississauga is Toronto 2.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Aug 2020 17:46:22 No.1541465 Report

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>>1519977
bump

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Aug 2020 18:03:01 No.1541468 Report

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>>1519985
meh, the LRT makes sense for eglinton, but heavy rail is definitely needed for North/South Lines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Aug 2020 18:08:00 No.1541469 Report

Quoted By: >>1541514

>>1536079
metrolinx do as metrolinx does

thx dougi

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Aug 2020 18:09:12 No.1541472 Report

Quoted By:

>>1538014
'rona'd

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Aug 2020 19:49:42 No.1541494 Report

Quoted By:

>>1536079
what does this mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Aug 2020 20:47:44 No.1541514 Report

Quoted By:

>>1541469
What does Doug have to do with the Eglinton LRT?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Aug 2020 21:03:26 No.1541521 Report

Quoted By: >>1541522 >>1541675

>>1539101
Isn't Hamilton like fully controlled by Italian mob?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 31 Aug 2020 21:08:00 No.1541522 Report

Quoted By:

>>1541521
yeah so is Vaughan

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 08:12:29 No.1541675 Report

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>>1541521
Mafia groups are in construction and sanitation, so I wouldn't be too surprised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 01 Sep 2020 13:00:25 No.1541726 Report

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will Sheppard subway ever be finished?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 02 Sep 2020 20:13:31 No.1542278 Report

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/sto-tram-portage-bridge-lyon-station-1.5571719
Gatineau looking to get a tunneled LRT under Sparks Street.

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