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Anonymous Wed 20 Jan 2021 00:30:55 No.1599017 View View Reply Original Report

Urban Planning General
"How will the coof change living patterns?"-Edition
Will suburbanism and car culture rise again?
Will rural areas see people moving in again as working from home makes living and working in expensive urban areas like NYC, San Francisco, Munich, Paris and Berlin avoidable?

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Anonymous Wed 20 Jan 2021 00:32:58 No.1599019 Report

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Based jannies have been deleting upg threads lately

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Anonymous Wed 20 Jan 2021 19:28:48 No.1599302 Report

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Cities should phase out gas lines.
Gas is no longer needed for heating or cooking. Electric alternatives are either equal or better. If you really want a gas stove or whatever you're more than free to purchase them yourself.

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Anonymous Wed 20 Jan 2021 21:51:08 No.1599341 Report

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>>1599302
Electric heating is super energy intensive and expensive. Central heating with a water circuit and gas boiler is best.

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Anonymous Wed 20 Jan 2021 23:47:17 No.1599382 Report

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>>1599341
I was to say that. Gas is probably the best heating system, the only thing that could compare is heat plant.

Inb4 heat pump / green heating systems - they're coool, but not enough to be the main one.

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Anonymous Wed 20 Jan 2021 23:53:27 No.1599385 Report

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>>1599302
I'd wager the amount of accidents/fires caused by electric heating is far bigger than those caused by gas lines

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 01:26:59 No.1599416 Report

Quoted By: >>1601283

>>1599341
You should look up reverse cycle AC AKA heat pumps, unlike conventional electric heating it produces more heat than it consumes power. Heat pump hot water is the exact same thing for your hot water system.
As more and more areas switch to renewable or less polluting power sources this will be much more environmentally friendly than gas heat. I suspect that even if your electricity is coal-fired a reverse cycle AC is probably less polluting than a gas system.
There's no need for new housing developments to have gas lines.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 01:27:41 No.1599417 Report

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>>1599382
Why don't you like heat pumps?

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 01:38:28 No.1599421 Report

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Heat pumps only work down to a certain temperature until they can run constantly and never catch up, then the emergency heat (strip heaters) kicks on and those really suck down the kW/h. For most of the country a heat pump alone isn't enough and gas is the perfect supplementary system.

Gas works when the power is out. Because its infrastructure is buried or decentralized (privately owned LP/propane tanks), it is more reliable than electricity. Extremely important in areas with cold winters.

Less importantly electrical heat is as dry as the outdoor air is whereas gas has water in it, so it feels better to be in a home with gas heat vs electrical. If you don't want gas feel free to buy a home with all electrical HVAC but I never would.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 01:47:24 No.1599425 Report

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>>1599421
>Heat pumps only work down to a certain temperature until they can run constantly and never catch up, then the emergency heat (strip heaters) kicks on and those really suck down the kW/h.

I may be wrong but my understanding is that this is only an issue in climates that get below -5°c for long periods of time. I know that a large portion of the US and all of Canada fall into that climate but most of the world does not.
So yes, gas lines probably do still make sense for quite cold climates but for most areas I believe that they are unnecessary.

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 05:04:16 No.1599486 Report

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Anonymous Thu 21 Jan 2021 07:56:19 No.1599515 Report

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>>1599302
They already were phasing them out with tall buildings.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 04:02:20 No.1600982 Report

Quoted By: >>1601126 >>1601480 >>1601481

>>1599017
So, you're given unlimited power and a trillion dollar budget to shape Dallas however you want, what changes?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 07:34:24 No.1601019 Report

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How does urban planning fit on this board?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 07:50:46 No.1601023 Report

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Urban planning doesn't belong on /n/

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 08:43:52 No.1601033 Report

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>>1601023
Where else does it belong? I think it belongs well. Transit requires good designs of the areas you're transporting stuff in, and you can't design an area without ways to transport goods and people in and out. Can't have one without the other.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 08:54:48 No.1601035 Report

Quoted By: >>1601119

Why are these threads not called "Urban Planning / Infrastructure General"?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 09:01:14 No.1601037 Report

Quoted By: >>1601119

Too long-winded a name really.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 14:03:55 No.1601119 Report

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>>1601035
>>1601037
/upg/ are consistently among the best threads on /n/.
Those topics go hand in hand, and I think changing the name might 'legitimize' the threads, even if the content doesn't change.
Just my two cents.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 14:08:20 No.1601126 Report

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>>1600982
Genocide all the minorities, destroy downtown and turn in into a giant park. Terrform the area around it to create huge mountains with forests and ski areas and turn it into like a little Boulder, except with no downtown just small comfy neighborhoods

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 14:44:44 No.1601151 Report

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>>1601033
>Where else does it belong?
Who cares

>Can't have one without the other.
Transportation planning is /n/
Urban planning is not

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 20:36:21 No.1601259 Report

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Anyone see the new plans for the NY PABT?
The new ramps put the existing ones to shame.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 20:45:08 No.1601263 Report

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>>1601033
>you can't design an area without ways to transport goods and people in and out

You mean highways?

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 20:47:34 No.1601264 Report

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>>1601263
Highways are designed.

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 20:55:53 No.1601266 Report

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>>1599302
Gas is extremely cheap. Tell that to Russians and see how they react btw

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Anonymous Mon 25 Jan 2021 22:14:39 No.1601283 Report

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>>1599416
Heat pumps only work with a certain temperature range. They don't do freezing weather well. There is also a land requirement. As you have to bury plumbing

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Anonymous Tue 26 Jan 2021 00:17:51 No.1601343 Report

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

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Anonymous Tue 26 Jan 2021 04:14:15 No.1601440 Report

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>>1601283
>Heat pumps only work with a certain temperature range. They don't do freezing weather well. There is also a land requirement. As you have to bury plumbing

Heat pumps are more nuanced than that. Ones that just use air as the heat source do fare poorly with freezing temperatures. Ground source heat pumps deal pretty well with subfreezing temperatures, since they can draw heat from the much warmer ground, although they do have the land requirement as you note. It doesn't take that much room to drill a well though.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Jan 2021 06:16:59 No.1601480 Report

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>>1600982
deport every single beaner and their anchor children, it would become the safest and most productive city in America overnight.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Jan 2021 06:18:46 No.1601481 Report

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>>1600982
holy fucking kek is that what dallas looks like today? that literally looks like a giant office park with parking lots but no city around it.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Jan 2021 08:41:00 No.1601501 Report

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>>1601440
My childhood house had a heatproof. The whole backyard was plumbed for it. We lived in Atlanta, and had a gas furnace for freezing weather.

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Anonymous Tue 26 Jan 2021 10:48:24 No.1601528 Report

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