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Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 15:44:00 No.1662737 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1662740 >>1662745 >>1663885 >>1666326

Activists win a 3rd seat on ExxonMobil’s board of directors.

I really wonder how long our car companies will continue building ICE vehicles, and to what extent.
How does the company go carbon neutral?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 15:55:21 No.1662740 Report

Quoted By: >>1662752

>>1662737
Gas prices will rise, that's about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 16:05:59 No.1662745 Report

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>>1662737
ICE has been on its way out for a while now. It'll get to the point within the next 20 years that all new cars will be electric.

Still need oil for a shitton of other stuff even if cars aren't running on gas anymore though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 16:29:54 No.1662752 Report

Quoted By: >>1662792 >>1662829 >>1662843 >>1663348 >>1663613

>>1662740
That means less miles driven -> more support for non-car modes of transportation. And less revenue from fuel tax for road maintenance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 16:44:08 No.1662767 Report

Quoted By: >>1662831

Car drivers need to adopt EVs as quickly as possible so that car infrastructure can’t be arbitrarily made worse under the pretense of environmentalism. Luckily, consumers have accepted EVs with open arms and a new era of automobile adoption is upon us, unhindered by climate damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 17:59:53 No.1662792 Report

Quoted By: >>1662802 >>1662809 >>1663180

>>1662752
It means the poor and middle class will be squeezed more while the wealthy are unaffected

I remember when the left used to be against that sort of stuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 18:17:32 No.1662802 Report

Quoted By: >>1662810 >>1662837 >>1666580

>>1662792
The left still is. The problem with americans is they act as though "left", "liberal", and "democrat" all mean the same thing, so you get very confused people running around quoting che guevara and defending gigacorporations (petrocartels, billionaire urban development groups, etc) in the same sentence. And anyone who disagrees they just yell "trump, racist, stay in the suburbs!" and pat themselves on the back for being "woke"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 18:32:52 No.1662809 Report

Quoted By: >>1662813

>>1662792
I guess if they live in the suburbs and drive gas-guzzling SUVs they’ll have to pay more for gas.
But for people who choose not to take such a resource-intensive lifestyle they’ll have cleaner air and cheaper energy (renewable).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 18:33:02 No.1662810 Report

Quoted By: >>1663676

>>1662802
>The left still is.
Stopped reading there

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 18:34:21 No.1662812 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 18:34:56 No.1662813 Report

Quoted By: >>1662816

>>1662809
>I guess if they live in the suburbs and drive gas-guzzling SUVs they’ll have to pay more for gas.
The most popular SUVs small/mid-size crossovers with 4/6 cylinder engines, dumbshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 18:37:24 No.1662816 Report

Quoted By: >>1662821

>>1662813
If you say so. In that case it’s no big deal if gas is more expensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 18:44:01 No.1662821 Report

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>>1662816
Incorrect. You simply want to price people out of a lifestyle you personally dislike, because you see yourself as a failure who could never achieve it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 18:56:06 No.1662829 Report

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>>1662752
>That means less miles driven -> more support for non-car modes of transportation.
Lol you wish, cars will always be prioritized, we're just being forced to move electric with high gas prices

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:00:19 No.1662831 Report

Quoted By: >>1662839

>>1662767
The electricity industry is one of the most ecologically destructive industries in the world (maybe second only to animal agriculture? not sure).
That can change of course, but currently electric is not "environmentally friendly"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:00:42 No.1662832 Report

Quoted By: >>1662833

The cager butthurt continues. I guess they’re pretending they can’t see the writing on the wall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:03:00 No.1662833 Report

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>>1662832
Oh look it's the big developer shill again, let me guess if we ban being poor, the walkscores will trickle down?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:13:59 No.1662837 Report

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>>1662802
The European left is hell bent on importing african slaves, sorry, "refugees" for their multinational corpo friends

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:15:08 No.1662839 Report

Quoted By: >>1662840 >>1662851 >>1663446

>>1662831
No chemical battery will ever be "environmentally friendly"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:19:45 No.1662840 Report

Quoted By: >>1662848 >>1663103 >>1663991

>>1662839
Eh, we'll see what technological advances are made. A hundred years ago a computer would have been seen as impossible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:22:15 No.1662843 Report

Quoted By: >>1669761

>>1662752
More bikes and roads made just for bikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:27:14 No.1662846 Report

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Other shareholders should the activists.

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Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:30:14 No.1662848 Report

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>>1662840
Excuse me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 19:39:16 No.1662851 Report

Quoted By: >>1662954 >>1663087

>>1662839
Yeah cars in general will never be eco-friendly. Electrics are a big improvement over ICEs but in general cars and their infrastructure are terrible for the planet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 03 Jun 2021 23:53:52 No.1662954 Report

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>>1662851
>Yeah
Yeah?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 03:03:14 No.1663087 Report

Quoted By: >>1663100 >>1663173

>>1662851
I think cars should be limited to enthusiasts and people who need them for a job or live somewhere that can only be accessed by roads. A majority of people would be far better off with a bicycle or a decent public transport system.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 03:14:52 No.1663100 Report

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>>1663087
>A majority of people would be far better off with a bicycle or a decent public transport system.
Very few actually want this though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 03:15:56 No.1663103 Report

Quoted By: >>1663110

>>1662840
That's not comparable at all, computers advanced a lot because a basic property of a material was discovered, nowadays, the advances in science don't contribute to computing that much. Just look at quantum computing, where is it? Did it make hardware cheaper?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 03:18:36 No.1663110 Report

Quoted By: >>1663124 >>1663157

>>1663103
>because a basic property of a material was discovered
That's my point. Maybe some new, non-environmentally-harmful way to make batteries will be discovered

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 03:31:03 No.1663124 Report

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>>1663110
Very unlikely. Although more power dense batteries are quite possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 04:26:17 No.1663157 Report

Quoted By: >>1663160

>>1663110
The fact that chemists and physicists have to cope with metamaterials instead of new elements says no

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 04:36:23 No.1663160 Report

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>>1663157
>pretending modern humans know fuckall about science
lol kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 04:54:39 No.1663167 Report

Quoted By: >>1663170

That wasn't the only major oil company that got a kick in the nuts either. Shell lost a major court case last week.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 04:57:42 No.1663170 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663167
based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 04:59:57 No.1663173 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663087
public transport will never be a thing in the US without filtering out the non-whites from using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 05:36:30 No.1663180 Report

Quoted By: >>1663275

>>1662792
So a transition to a new energy infrastructure that doesn't hold such a Sword of Damocles over their heads would be in order?
Combined with efforts to reengineer the built environment so that a car is not an absolute necessity?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 10:15:53 No.1663275 Report

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>>1663180
as long as liberals' high consumption lifestyles aren't affected along the way. if, after millions starve and/or are rendered homeless, and an entire generation in poor parts of the world goes through their formative years angry and locked into poverty, there's a new energy infrastructure, that's a sacrifice liberals are willing to make. in rich countries the present-day occupants of inner cities can be driven out into the extreme suburbs where the free market will settle things.

and if there's riots and stuff, no problem, what's the point of having drones if we're not going to use them right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 12:45:21 No.1663346 Report

Quoted By: >>1663353 >>1663992

It’s not just “liberals” pushing for this change though. Climate change is a major concern among young republicans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 12:53:05 No.1663348 Report

Quoted By: >>1663349 >>1663618

>>1662752
>And less revenue from fuel tax for road maintenance.
tfw my state just put an extra tax on electric vehicles to stop electric vehicle owners 'avoiding' fuel tax lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 12:55:06 No.1663349 Report

Quoted By: >>1663358

>>1663348
Good. All cars cost the public a lot of money in infrastructure. Fuel tax still needs to be raised though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 13:00:00 No.1663353 Report

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>>1663346
no fuck it's not you dumb shit lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 13:08:15 No.1663358 Report

Quoted By: >>1663361

>>1663349
but they already pay road tax on the cars
and personal electric vehicles like scooters/skatreboards are outright banned here

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Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 13:08:15 No.1663359 Report

Quoted By: >>1663360

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of-americans-think-government-should-do-more-on-climate/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 13:09:16 No.1663360 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663359
>polls
come on mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 13:09:40 No.1663361 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663358
Looks like your state has some stupid policies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 15:56:03 No.1663446 Report

Quoted By: >>1663672

>>1662839
yet everyone uses them everyday

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 21:01:57 No.1663613 Report

Quoted By: >>1663650

>>1662752
most people aren't going to switch regardless of whether the price of fuel is 2$ per gallon or 5$. They might drive less, but it won't make them switch.
The way the US is built just makes anything other than car driving inconvenient. I remember visiting my uncle's town in Germany and being amazed that I could walk from the city center into the outlying farms.
Nothing like that exists in the US, plus you have to deal with the most deranged people on US public transportation, where as in other countries you have active policing against the kind of ghetto retardation that happens on US buses/subways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 21:06:10 No.1663618 Report

Quoted By: >>1663830

>>1663348
>my state
say where faggot. It's relevant to the discussion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 21:33:04 No.1663650 Report

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>>1663613
>where as in other countries you have active policing against the kind of ghetto retardation that happens on US buses/subways.
what a fucking joke

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 22:17:22 No.1663672 Report

Quoted By: >>1663842

>>1663446
>20000000 smokers can't be wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 22:23:14 No.1663676 Report

Quoted By: >>1663685

>>1662810
We also have nazbols. And our Nazi party has peltry social policies

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 04 Jun 2021 22:38:55 No.1663685 Report

Quoted By: >>1663761

>>1663676
Why does everybody forget about the socialist bit in National Socialist?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 01:39:30 No.1663761 Report

Quoted By: >>1663833

>>1663685
the nazis were socialist like the DPRK is democratic

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 06:24:58 No.1663830 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663618
Victoria, Australia
Home of a progressive leftwing government and a tonne of Greens MPs who have spent so much money fucking around with social activism and George Floyd murals that we now get over-taxed, poorly built transport infrastructure to pay off their Chinese lenders

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 06:27:02 No.1663833 Report

Quoted By: >>1663983 >>1665979 >>1665990

>>1663761
They were unironic radical centrists and they were far closer to Russian Socialism than Italian Fascism, but one alliance of convenience between Hitler and Mussolini, two people who fucking hated each other, has made everyone genuinely believe the Nazis were fascists.

Just a quick look at their transport infrastructure should tell you it's nonsense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 07:06:33 No.1663842 Report

Quoted By: >>1663994 >>1664192

>>1663672
3,000,000,000 smartphone, laptop, bluetooth box, ebike owners, including you, can't be wrong
Li-Ion batteries are everywhere mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 09:04:30 No.1663884 Report

Quoted By: >>1663984

>green activists on ExxonMobils board
>european court tells Royal Dutch Shell to limit carbon emissions

Why are these companies just going like lambs to the slaughter lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 09:07:31 No.1663885 Report

Quoted By: >>1665110

>>1662737
i still need oil to lube my bike, mass transportation and for plastics. holy shit i hate these people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 14:43:12 No.1663983 Report

Quoted By: >>1663987 >>1663996

>>1663833
They were pretty damn socialist compared to the US.
They experienced massive hyperinflation because the government was spending so much money on public programs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 14:44:15 No.1663984 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663884
Netherlands is taking action because climate change affects us immediately. Much of our country is at sea level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 14:46:35 No.1663987 Report

Quoted By: >>1663996

>>1663983
I thought that was 1920s Weimar Germany not 30s NatSoc Germany

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 14:54:22 No.1663991 Report

Quoted By:

>>1662840
computers could only get so effective because
>it was a revolutionary technology
>some improvements in logic
>miniaturization of the mechanism
batteries already operate at the attomic scale while exploting a fundamental property of the elements used
the only way to do that would be the mass creation of new elements at the top of the period system at industrial scale which is not possible
the onlything that could happen is exploiting subatomic particles but that has nothing to do with chemical batteries and is pure science fiction

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 14:58:53 No.1663992 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663346
dumb american, kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 15:02:33 No.1663994 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663842
Doesn't change the fact that no one cares what powers their little magic boxes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 15:07:27 No.1663996 Report

Quoted By: >>1665981

>>1663983
read a book dumbass, your facebook "history" lessons have confused you badly
>>1663987
they also weren't spending on "social programs", they started a war and borrowed more than they could possibly pay back without enslaving all of europe. when they lost not only did they have domestic war debt, they also had their entire industrial base physically expropriated by the allies who also demanded reparations of their own. so unless you count guns, bombs, and reparations as "social programs" anon's facebook analysis is delusional

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 05 Jun 2021 21:26:35 No.1664192 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663842
>he doesn't get it
I don't care if everyone uses something with betteries on it
That's not going to make them environmentally friendly
Just like having billions of smokers is not going to stop it from giving you cancer

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 13:13:57 No.1665075 Report

Quoted By: >>1665094 >>1665265 >>1665376 >>1665674 >>1665982

So nazis were actually laissez-faire capitalists?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 14:01:52 No.1665094 Report

Quoted By: >>1665982

>>1665075
The nazis were nazis. Trying to reduce naziism to another belief system is like trying to reduce chicken to fish

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 14:32:02 No.1665110 Report

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>>1663885
insufferable cunt you are

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 18:36:50 No.1665265 Report

Quoted By: >>1665376

>>1665075
the word 'privatization' was invented to describe the nazi policy of selling off nationalized industries for pennies on the dollar

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 07 Jun 2021 23:36:21 No.1665376 Report

Quoted By: >>1665723

>>1665075
>>1665265
Nazis were mixed market. All depends on what you made, loyalty to the party, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 12:00:55 No.1665654 Report

Quoted By:

Oil companies really need to clean up their leaking wells.
Right now the cities have to pay for the environmental disaster that oil companies left.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-drilling-abandoned-specialreport-idUSKBN23N1NL

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 13:21:14 No.1665674 Report

Quoted By:

>>1665075
not really, Business that did not cooperate would be requisitioned by the state

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 15:55:35 No.1665723 Report

Quoted By:

>>1665376
Yes it was basically cronyism to stop people with power from going against the party. Not because Hitler was a fan of von mises or some shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 23:38:40 No.1665979 Report

Quoted By: >>1666003 >>1669763 >>1669765

>>1663833
Hitler and Mussolini did not hate each other, and Drexler founded the Nazi party. He called it socialist because his previous attempt at a fascist party kept losing elections to the social democrats.

I mean, the Nazis also lost most of their elections, but they were close enough to get all their followers all riled up about conspiracies to steal the votes and the traditional conservatives thought they could use the fascists to put down the leftists. Then the fascists gutted the conservatives and took their party from them.

Good thing nothing like that ever happened again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 23:41:09 No.1665981 Report

Quoted By:

>>1663996
Not to mention the massive military development and all the troops, tanks, and planes sent to help Franco depose the Spanish government.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 08 Jun 2021 23:43:00 No.1665982 Report

Quoted By: >>1665988

>>1665075
see
>>1665094

The nazis were capitalists, but only with other nazis. Non-nazis had their businesses seized and sold to loyal nazis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Jun 2021 00:00:33 No.1665988 Report

Quoted By:

>>1665982
>Non-nazis had their businesses seized

Mostly the jews. Nobody would even ask a normal businessman if he's pro Nazi or not.
Of course he would have to greet his customers with "Heil Hitler" instead of "Guten Tag", send his son to the Nazi youth organisations and later to the war but that's about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Jun 2021 00:03:31 No.1665990 Report

Quoted By: >>1666141 >>1666850

>>1663833
>hey were far closer to Russian Socialism than Italian Fascism,

bunch of bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Jun 2021 00:31:58 No.1666003 Report

Quoted By:

>>1665979
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Jun 2021 05:56:36 No.1666141 Report

Quoted By:

>>1665990
it's true though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Jun 2021 13:21:18 No.1666297 Report

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Shel vows to speed up emissions cuts after court ruling

https://www.wsj.com/articles/shell-to-speed-up-emissions-cuts-in-wake-of-court-ruling-11623236932

Anonynous

Anonynous Wed 09 Jun 2021 14:06:49 No.1666326 Report

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>>1662737
Invest in shit that we want the world to be so shit can be sold to those that are in it through the shit were going to sell them in the future. legacy built from the past up. Kinda fun being dead before it falls apart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 09 Jun 2021 23:43:52 No.1666554 Report

Quoted By: >>1666573

Based, Keystone XL is dead as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Jun 2021 00:40:33 No.1666573 Report

Quoted By:

>>1666554
Yeah it’s great that they’ll drive it over on trucks instead now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Jun 2021 00:46:33 No.1666580 Report

Quoted By:

>>1662802
The American “right” is at least as incoherent

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 10 Jun 2021 12:28:49 No.1666850 Report

Quoted By: >>1667234

>>1665990
weimar was founded because the social democrats were afraid of a socialist takeover at the end of the war

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Jun 2021 03:45:41 No.1667234 Report

Quoted By: >>1667280

>>1666850
They weren't wrong
But not the kind of Socialists they expected

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 11 Jun 2021 06:03:02 No.1667280 Report

Quoted By:

>>1667234
because the ruling class fears and needs to eliminate revolutionary socialists, not whatever nonsense your boomer thought lords on youtube tell you is socialism

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jun 2021 17:24:22 No.1669437 Report

Quoted By: >>1669522 >>1669537

....this is my first day in /n/ and....how the fuck is this board also exploding over political bullshit too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jun 2021 22:20:33 No.1669522 Report

Quoted By:

>>1669437
It's because skin tone has a negative correlation on the quality of transportation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 15 Jun 2021 22:53:51 No.1669537 Report

Quoted By: >>1669799

>>1669437
We have a few tourists from /pol/ who are really butthurt about bike lanes and rail so they try to shit up all the threads.
They never make their own threads because they know their posts are shitposts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 11:07:36 No.1669761 Report

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>>1662843
Gimme.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 11:13:37 No.1669763 Report

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>>1665979

>Good thing nothing like that ever happened again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 11:16:54 No.1669765 Report

Quoted By:

>>1665979
if people insist on erasing history, it's bound to repeat itself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 16 Jun 2021 12:39:31 No.1669799 Report

Quoted By:

>>1669537
I just think these things have downsides that are always completely glossed over by the anti car as dogma people

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