What pisses me off about these threads, and I am as guilty as the next man for this, is the bile and venom that is directed towards people who own carbon bikes.
Most people who own a bike and use it regularly truly love it, often much thought and deliberation went into choosing what they honestly believed would be the best bike for them, and as a bike lover myself I know how easily attached you can become to a bike, especially one you pent good money on.
So please believe me when I say that I don't want to be unkind, I understand the way the world works, the power of advertising and marketing, how easy it is to latch onto an idea or piece of advice you saw online and then fixate on that with a kind of consoomer tunnel vision, and then spend endless hours desperately defending your choices because they are intimately tied up with your own sense of identity, and nobody wants to admit they can be influenced into making poor choices do they? But it happens to all of us at some point.
If you are one of those people who fell for the carbon meme then OK, fine, I respect your choice, I honestly hope you get as much joy and pleasure from it as you can and that it never fails catastrophically on you while you are in traffic riding at speed, but please can you also accept that, with the benefit of hindsight, you were memed into buying a fragile plastic bike, and that knowing hwat you know now you would probably not choose to be fooled into making the same mistake again. Even if you stoip shilling for plastic bikes you may be able to help limit the number of people who may take the same wrong turn you did, for the sake of your fellow cyclists just go and enjoy your poorly thought through consoomer trash and leave the advice giving to those of us who are happy to learn from your mistakes.