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Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 16:09:16 No.1680995 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1681033 >>1681082 >>1683341 >>1683343 >>1683406 >>1683901

What makes "main street" more than just a zoned mixed use space. what sort of features/bussiness are required to make it a integral part of a town/community.

Personally any main street, or walkable community needs local artisans to open up a store there. Seamstresses/Tailors, Bakers/Candy makers, Artists etc need to establish themselves as apart of the main commercial core.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 18:17:37 No.1681030 Report

Quoted By: >>1681032 >>1681050

No one in history has ever needed "artisans".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 18:21:36 No.1681032 Report

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>>1681030
Yeah the Middle Ages had industrialized consumerism and nobody ever made anything with their hands back then.

Butterfly

Butterfly Sun 11 Jul 2021 18:22:28 No.1681033 Report

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>>1680995
Local artisan means they imported their own tat from china and are now selling it at huge markup.

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 18:53:41 No.1681047 Report

Quoted By: >>1683312

Main streets are inherently just a mixed use zone because there's no space for anything other than the intended purpose. You drive your car in, you visit a business, you drive off. That's all the space allocated. Road, parking, sidewalk, buildings. What a town needs if they want integral multipurpose community use is a main SQUARE. You can surround it with businesses, bars and cafes, you can hold farmers markets, flea markets and other markets on it, you can use it for public events and gatherings, people can just hang out. This is real multipurpose and real community. Ideally it's also at the center of a largely pedestrian historic town center and the crossing point of many many people's on foot or bicycle commute so they pass by it anyway and don't have to go out of their way to get there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 18:58:11 No.1681050 Report

Quoted By: >>1681064

>>1681030
t. stem major

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 19:39:43 No.1681064 Report

Quoted By: >>1681077

>>1681050
t. thinks calling someone a stem major is a dunk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 20:00:26 No.1681077 Report

Quoted By: >>1681078

>>1681064
t. thinks being a stem major is something to be proud of

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Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 20:03:55 No.1681078 Report

Quoted By: >>1681297 >>1683483 >>1684318

>>1681077
How's the sociology degree coming?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Jul 2021 20:10:44 No.1681082 Report

Quoted By: >>1683312

>>1680995
I don't visit any of those businesses. I can't afford fancy candy, I don't care about luxury bread, and when my shirt or my jeans wear out I can buy a new one for much cheaper than a repair job.

Back in the day when someone had to be paid enough to buy local clothes, local food, and local goods, main streets made sense. Today I get my goods from wherever it's cheapest, stored and sold at warehouse efficiency. Tomorrow, when Ican't afford gas, I'll get my goods from whoever can deliver them the cheapest.

There were so many important things that capitalism ignored because money was just easier to keep track of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Jul 2021 09:31:47 No.1681273 Report

Quoted By: >>1681305 >>1681325 >>1683312

This is a complicated topic that you are trying to understand as a bullet point. You have made a good start but lack a lot of context.

Main Street as it exists today is effectively a local Disney World. A local tourist destination filled with overpriced shit (most Main Streets all have the same business). MS doesn't cater to real, every day modern consumer demands, which is why it died in the first place. The only reason it was resurrected was so that old farts and hipsters can pretend to live in the past. The artisans are fun, sure, but they are ultimately gimmicky. Most people are not going to do anything close to the majority of their shopping at these sorts of stores, and frankly, that's never, ever, going to change. The global supply chain and big boxes are here to stay. Real artisanal goods are just way too expensive to exist in most places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Jul 2021 11:20:20 No.1681297 Report

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>>1681078
How’s that quest to lose you virginity coming?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Jul 2021 11:45:47 No.1681305 Report

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>>1681273
Absolutely true

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 12 Jul 2021 13:22:10 No.1681325 Report

Quoted By: >>1683312 >>1684141

>>1681273
I agree for the most part that small artisanal stores basically have no chance to directly compete with global manufacturing and supply chains, but I don't think local main streets are necessarily dead, and there are a few places where local businesses can still compete.

Restaurants and Hospitality, for example, are places where local main street stores can still be viable, because food is one area where cost competitiveness is not the main concern (and indeed overly competitive large chains can acquire a negative stigma). Some hospitality branches (like bars) are so dependent on local flavor that big business doesn't make an effort to compete at all, since they're unlikely to be broadly competitive. Specialty stores (like liquor stores, hobby supply stores or ethnic supermarkets) can often cater more flexibly to local preferences and provide options that larger stores won't offer due to their relatively uniform inventory procedures. Sure, that means they operate at the mercy of the big chains (and they would be at risk of being outcompeted) if a chain store made the changes necessary to bring in those small specialty goods, but since the wal-mart protests of the 2000's these big chains will tread very carefully to avoid doing anything that can be seen as overtly trying to shut down local places, so I think they'll be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jul 2021 20:34:49 No.1683312 Report

Quoted By: >>1683883

>>1681047
Us Americans are against any space that is occupied for free, without the intent to spend more.
You'll have people bitching about the kids

>>1681082
That's the horror of modern day capitalism

>>1681273
Local start ups grow if you don't turn your nose up at them

>>1681325
Maybe some things in life are worth having, regardless of their ability to turn profit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jul 2021 22:44:26 No.1683341 Report

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>>1680995
Main streets weren't killed by big box stores, they were killed by malls. Main street was the original mall, you drive there to get something, park, and walk up and down the boulevard, and if something catches your eye you go into that store. If you get hungry, there's food nearby. And then at the end of the day you drive home. People don't want to live there for the same reason they wouldn't want to live in a mall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 18 Jul 2021 22:55:02 No.1683343 Report

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>>1680995
homosexuals

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jul 2021 04:43:08 No.1683406 Report

Quoted By: >>1683904

>>1680995
>What makes "main street" more than just a zoned mixed use space. what sort of features/bussiness are required to make it a integral part of a town/community.
Local businesses that are centrally located and not in some suburban hell. That's literally it. All new mixed use developments try to cater to chain shit in the US so they feel incredibly lifeless by comparison.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Jul 2021 12:21:38 No.1683483 Report

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>>1681078
anon you got utterly fucking decimated, let it go

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 16:30:54 No.1683883 Report

Quoted By: >>1684035

>>1683312
>Maybe some things in life are worth having, regardless of their ability to turn profit.
If you have a way to keep small businesses people don't go to afloat without requiring everyone to subsidize them, I'm all ears.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 17:23:45 No.1683901 Report

Quoted By: >>1683920

>>1680995
To make it integral to the town it has to have store with contents integral to everyday living so daily food stores like butchers, dairy shops, bakeries, fruits and veggies and family restaurants with homemade meals in case you don't wanna cook yourself. Now after you'll want various general goods stores for daily needs like electronics, clothing stores, small construction materials liek wood and metal, bike shops, and various repair shops. And lastly entertainment and social hubs; libraries, movie theatres, gyms, sports courts or a field, general community centers for any random clubs etc, and nightclubs and bars. To jazz it all up you can have luxury options of anyone of those. If this main street is accesssible to eveyone from pedestrians to bikers and skaters in a wide area it will flourish because everyone needs these basic goods so they will frequent the area. Main Streets fail when they put up a bunch of generic looking flashy tourist shit that no one needs, wants, or can really afford. Like of I can walk to the same area and grab some screws for house repairs while grabbing meat for the weak I'll be incentivised to frequent the area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 17:28:40 No.1683904 Report

Quoted By: >>1683920

>>1683406
This. My town is considered a fancy with the wealthiest suburbs in the area and the Main Street is quite literally an AMC movie theatre with an ice cream shop and a Dunkin Donuts. The other shops died because they were pointless clothing boutiques no one wanted and the ones still here are starting to die because the "Main Street" is just another street trapped in just another suburban maze no one can get to. They didn't even build sidewalks connecting the city to the rest of the area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 17:53:14 No.1683920 Report

Quoted By: >>1683932 >>1684035

>>1683901
No one is going to walk to downtown to shop. Even before WW2 people rode into town in cars and even horse-drawn carts, did their shopping, and drove home.

>>1683904
>the "Main Street" is just another street trapped in just another suburban maze no one can get to.
When you say things like this, no one will take you seriously

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 18:25:54 No.1683932 Report

Quoted By: >>1683945

>>1683920
No one should be expected to walk downtown to shop because the shops downtown should primarily serve the basic needs of people who live downtown if that downtown plaza happens to become popular enough to support more superflous businesses that attract outside attention then so be it. Also depending on the layout of your city walking is a reasonable means of transport and so it biking or transit if you have it. I currently live in Baltimore and the city is like a hand spreading out from the central harbour so if I wanted to get into the very city center I can walk, bike, or take transit but even without all that I can always walk closer to the city not necessarily the center to find utilities that aren't available out in the suburbs.

And on my point about the Main Street it's so far away and disconnected from population centers that people have a hard time getting there to spend money so it dies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 19:23:08 No.1683945 Report

Quoted By: >>1683967 >>1684035

>>1683932
Nah bro it’s not transit. Main Street is literally just a mall. Main Street got killed because malls had “anchor” stores that had what was for a while constant demand, so people would go to those stores then check out others while they’re there.

Main streets simply need anchor stores with constant demand, like grocery stores, and lots of parking, so people will go to them to run an errand than stop at other stores while they’re there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 20:09:57 No.1683967 Report

Quoted By: >>1684035

>>1683945
To add to that, malls and shopping centers had ample free parking, which wasn't the case in cities. It made going to the mall over downtown an easy choice once they started becoming common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 21:33:09 No.1684001 Report

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In the age of online shopping, malls, and chain retailers with hyper-optimized global supply chains, the classic main street is dead and has no reason to return. Any attempt to rebuild them from the top down just results in the utterly vacuous "lifestyle districts" that so many cities seem to have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 23:01:42 No.1684035 Report

Quoted By: >>1684037 >>1684120

>>1683883
I really don't give a fuck.
Youdon't have a right to own a business
Again, maybe some things in life are about more than fucking profit.
What a sad little life you must live

>>1683920
>No one is going to walk to downtown to shop.
Well thats just demonstrably wrong

>>1683945
Mainstreet isn't a mall, that's what you're not getting

>>1683967
I don't understand how you can in one post say transit has nothing to do with it, and then imply malls won out because of parking.
Like no shit, you make your country based around cars, that excludes anyone in a car.
But what if we didn't do that retarded shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 23:07:07 No.1684037 Report

Quoted By: >>1684039

>>1684035
>I don't understand
I know

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Jul 2021 23:18:49 No.1684039 Report

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>>1684037
Are you being retarded on purpose? Yeah, when you make the whole fucking country one big swath of shopping centers connected by 45mph+ traffic, no sidewalks, no nothing, the place with the parking is gonna win out artificially.
It's almost like there could have been an alternative and viable form of transit.....

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 03:19:27 No.1684120 Report

Quoted By: >>1684211

>>1684035
>Youdon't have a right to own a business
Agreed. And that's why we shouldn't be subsidizing "businesses" subsidized like public utilities if nobody uses them.
>Again, maybe some things in life are about more than fucking profit.
It's not about profit, it's about not spending my money propping up businesses that clearly nobody wishes to patronize solely for your abstract belief in the value of a "downtown." If you want your artisanal sequin store but can't get it to run, suck off a billionaire (or suck off enough people until you become one) to can keep it alive as a vanity project.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 04:49:38 No.1684141 Report

Quoted By: >>1684211

>>1681325
Okay but consider this: I can get all those needs met by other businesses that don’t have dogshit parking. Why would I go to a main street restaurant or bar when I have to park several blocks away? Could just go to a strip mall instead and easily park for free

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 11:13:52 No.1684211 Report

Quoted By: >>1684249

>>1684120
I'm not arguing with a retard who doesn't believe in public utilities

>If you want your artisanal sequin store but can't get it to run,
Bud, I just want a hardware store, a grocery store, and the like I can walk to, hell forget something I needed, and makea return trip without crossing twenty lighted intersections and spending $40 in gas.
Where I live, we actually have a ton of 'mainstreets', they're just not called that because they're populated with local human beings, not LARPers.
The fact that you have to go to that example shows me you come from some prefab suburbanloop

>>1684141
That is your only choice now because of what we've done with the country

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 13:14:38 No.1684249 Report

Quoted By: >>1684259

>>1684211
>That is your only choice now because of what we've done with the country

Not him but it’s my only choice because if I’m gonna go buy a bunch of shit I need a way to get it home, so I have to drive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 13:32:33 No.1684259 Report

Quoted By: >>1684261 >>1684279 >>1684280

>>1684249
And you're going to buy a bunch of shit because you're overworked, and don't have the time tospare to event attempt to take our nuked public transport system.
So you buy the car, and insurance, and gas, and buy your cartload fullof frozen bullshit to keep in your house because you have to make every grocery trip 'worth it', and they get to sell you a big ass freezer on top of it all to store what you got.
I'm gonna go ahead and go to the mainstreet grocery store, which is centrally located in walking distance, and get myself some goods, fresh, because there is no need to horde when the business who serve you actually do and not the other way around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 13:36:52 No.1684261 Report

Quoted By: >>1684268 >>1684269

>>1684259
Okay if you wanna go to the grocery store every day because you can only carry one meals worth of food, do you, I have better things to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 13:55:41 No.1684268 Report

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>>1684261
Oh, I have a car and sometimes, when I'm lazy or I want icecream, I'll drive over there and go grab what I need and bring it back all in one shot! I can do this because I *choose* to do this, unlike you, who *must* do this.
I don't ever have to go to Home Depot unless I'm looking for lumber or something, still could mind you, but I have the free and social real *choice* to just go to the hardware store on mainstreet instead.

And when I lived in the bigbox hellscape where I used to live and needed my first 'real' bike as a teenager, hot damn, know where I went? The mainstreet of the area I actual live in now.
Funny that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 14:00:28 No.1684269 Report

Quoted By: >>1684273

>>1684261
>cagetroll has better things to do
Lmao, you spend g-d knows how much time on a board you hate just to seethe, your time can't be that valuable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 14:07:37 No.1684273 Report

Quoted By: >>1684275

>>1684269
It’s actually just that there’s multiple people on here who’s thought processes aren’t just a ctrl v of outdated propaganda from strong towns and streetsblog

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 14:10:23 No.1684275 Report

Quoted By: >>1684277

>>1684273
Nah, it sounds like you worship suburbia and hate the idea of building any walkable towns

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 14:13:41 No.1684277 Report

Quoted By:

>>1684275
Suburbia is great in a lot of ways, and people are happier there!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 14:17:57 No.1684279 Report

Quoted By:

>>1684259
>And you're going to buy a bunch of shit because you're overworked
I'm gonna go ahead and go to the mainstreet grocery store
Jerk off motion. I'd rather go to a supermarket and get my groceries done for a week because I place value upon my own time. It's easy to think like you do (I did) when you're in college and your own time isn't worth much to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 14:19:06 No.1684280 Report

Quoted By: >>1684351

>>1684259
>And you're going to buy a bunch of shit because you're overworked
>I'm gonna go ahead and go to the mainstreet grocery store
Jerk off motion. I'd rather go to a supermarket and get my groceries done for a week because I place value upon my own time. It's easy to think like you do (I did) when you're in college and your own time isn't worth much to you.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 16:05:55 No.1684318 Report

Quoted By:

>>1681078
>Substantia Jones
you really can't make this shit up. i want off clown world

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:05:42 No.1684351 Report

Quoted By: >>1684352

>>1684280
>I place value upon my own time
So do I, which is why I orient my life in such a way that grocery shopping isn't an emerceny.
Get a planner

But, why are you so angry? I know, it's because it isn't a choice for you.
You could absolutely go to the mainstreet grocery store, you could even bring whatever penis replacement LARP 'truck' and park if you wish.
My way just means no one *has* to

Why don't you love freedom, friend?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:11:16 No.1684352 Report

Quoted By: >>1684357

>>1684351
>But, why are you so angry?
Mirror

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:28:02 No.1684357 Report

Quoted By: >>1684361 >>1684369

>>1684352
No, why are you so angry about everyone having the choice.
I am not angry about people hacing the choice; you can either walk to my mainstreet grocery store, bike, skateboard, trolley, train, bus, taxi, AND drive yourself if you'd like.
Your way you just have to drive.

Why do you hate the choice?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:40:45 No.1684361 Report

Quoted By: >>1684363 >>1684371

>>1684357
Not him but because I'd rather live in a house and drive to get groceries then live in a shoebox and walk to the store everyday.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:42:05 No.1684363 Report

Quoted By: >>1684365

>>1684361
why not both?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:43:43 No.1684365 Report

Quoted By: >>1684366 >>1684371

>>1684363
Because I don’t want a huge grocery store in the middle of my quiet neighborhood. If I want to shop, I’ll drive to where the shops are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:47:41 No.1684366 Report

Quoted By: >>1684367

>>1684365
S H A R T
I N
M A R T

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:49:21 No.1684367 Report

Quoted By:

>>1684366
That’s all you got?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:52:52 No.1684369 Report

Quoted By: >>1684375

>>1684357
>No, why are you so angry about everyone having the choice.
It seems like you're the angry one

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:54:19 No.1684371 Report

Quoted By: >>1684387

>>1684361
You can do that my way and still have that as an option.
Your way, I can only do it your way.
Sounds pretty shitty to me.

Understand that going everyday is a luxury; I could always go for a horde run like you and jam my freezer full of enough bullshit to last me till the next 'worth it' trip, but I don't *have*; dig?

>>1684365
There is no reason for a giant grocery store so long as you have staple, deli, produce, and meat/dairy, which every grocery store fucking has, retard
Again, if every trip doesn't have to be worth it, you don't need family packs of Elio's.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 18:55:37 No.1684375 Report

Quoted By: >>1684387 >>1684388

>>1684369
Yes, bud, there are valid reasos to be angry and invalid reasons to be angry.
My way, we both get to make the choice. Your way, no one does.
You don't get to control my life because you're fat and afraid of black people

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:06:57 No.1684387 Report

Quoted By: >>1684393 >>1684395

>>1684371
>>1684375

What about people with families? They can’t walk their groceries home.

Also what’s funny is the whole idea of “well I’ll just walk down to my local grocery store across the street and get a single sandwich’s’ worth of groceries every day” actually manifests itself as you spending hundreds of dollars on Uber eats because you never have food.

People in the suburbs do have the choice of walking to the grocery store, they could just move into the city and be able to do that. But they don’t because they prefer living in the suburbs. It’s really that simple.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:08:13 No.1684388 Report

Quoted By: >>1684393

>>1684375
You need to work on your anger issues

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:13:26 No.1684393 Report

Quoted By: >>1684396

>>1684387
>What about people with families? They can’t walk their groceries home.
When you don't orientent your entire country around motor travel, like my area of the East Coast, built before that was a thing, you most certainly can.
And if you still wanted to drive, you very well could
After all, I have a car here and never once have to think about where it's gonna go

>
Also what’s funny is the whole idea of “well I’ll just walk down to my local grocery store across the street and get a single sandwich’s’ worth of groceries every day” actually manifests itself as you spending hundreds of dollars on Uber eats because you never have food.
No, it means if I"m reading a recipe and it calls for something I don't have, I can go and get it without even turning my stove off, while presumadly, you're too tired to want to go about and spend 20+min to round trip the store and order pizza instead.
Also means you have no fresh fruits veg or meat, which, again, is sad. You could always drive and get thoseif you still wanted to, my way

>>1684388
Need to work on your selfishness, bud
I don't want things done my way to get what I want things my way so everyone gets what they want with a real choice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:19:19 No.1684395 Report

Quoted By: >>1684401

>>1684387
>Also what’s funny is the whole idea of “well I’ll just walk down to my local grocery store across the street and get a single sandwich’s’ worth of groceries every day” actually manifests itself as you spending hundreds of dollars on Uber eats because you never have food.
this is actually pretty accurate, t. lived 150 metres from a tesco express for 4 years. I was also pretty deep into alcoholism, but even so.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:19:45 No.1684396 Report

Quoted By: >>1684401

>>1684393
>I don't want things done my way to get what I want things my way so everyone gets what they want with a real choice
Incorrect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:30:08 No.1684401 Report

Quoted By: >>1684405 >>1684406

>>1684396
Well that's retarded, my way you can drive to my walkable store. Your way I cannot walk t your driveable store.
Stop being selfish

>>1684395
Tesco Express is a fucking gas station, waht are you talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:39:39 No.1684405 Report

Quoted By:

>>1684401
>my way
That's really what this is about, getting your way

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:40:11 No.1684406 Report

Quoted By: >>1684409

>>1684401
You can’t even drive to the store in your scenario if there’s no parking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:47:06 No.1684409 Report

Quoted By: >>1684412

>>1684406
What does that mean, fatty?
Worse case scenario, you have to walk a block or two, or pay some parking fee?
I mean, mine has a small lot in addition to street parking.
When you let mainstreets be mainstreets for real, and not LARPing bullshit, they form when needed. There a 'mainstreet' every couple of numbered streets here (Than you, based grid)
Mainstreets are only called mainstrets once it's non-residents driving in to buy bullshit nicknaks, otherwise it's just a town.
Funny that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Jul 2021 19:52:05 No.1684412 Report

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>>1684409
>lug heavy groceries multiple blocks home multiple times a week
>pay to park blocks away, lug your groceries multiple blocks, drive home

Some choices.

The 99.9% of people who don’t have an autistic fixation on grocery shopping just pull up, buy there groceries, load them in the car and leave like twice a month. They picked their option.

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