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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 12:40:35 No.1707601 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1707627 >>1707688 >>1707712 >>1708127 >>1708325 >>1715200 >>1716122

"Stop admiring Europe for it's supposedly better planning, beyond the few really big cities you have exactly the same car dependent sprawl you can find in the US."-Edition

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 12:52:03 No.1707605 Report

Quoted By: >>1707615 >>1707627 >>1711374

>Stop admiring Europe for it's supposedly better planning, beyond the few really big cities you have exactly the same car dependent sprawl you can find in the US
Eh. Only recently have I seen the development of truely awful same-old same-old Americanised suburban planning. It's ugly rubbish that only shows how overpopulated England really is. I've always been a fan of urban planning that looks as if several layers of history has been slathered on top, like a marbling of different architectural styles. I happen to live in a village that fits that description.

I think Poundbury is a good example of new suburban planning that actually works and doesn't look like the same house copy-pasted in the middle of nowhere where your only local business is a Sainsburys Local and an industrial park.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 13:15:37 No.1707615 Report

Quoted By: >>1707619 >>1707722

>>1707605
isn't that the fake play town of prince charles

Not Your Dad REEEEE !!OS7PxlLkFR/

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Not Your Dad REEEEE !!OS7PxlLkFR/ Mon 13 Sep 2021 13:28:16 No.1707619 Report

Quoted By: >>1707627 >>1707629 >>1707634 >>1707715 >>1707722 >>1707761 >>1707791 >>1711743 >>1714516

>>1707615
Pretty much anything new but planned to look like an old timey disney town will have a repulsive uncanny valley vibe. "Urbanists" are always trying to mass produce the old money neighborhoods they covet in old cities because such places have the most prestige. They copy the superficial traits, open a sales office, boring bougie types people move in, they get confused when it fails because they expected hemophiliac old world aristocrats to appear out of nowhere and bleed some of their prestige onto it, and for some weird reason that didn't happen, and then they engage in all kinds of mental gymnastics to explain why it didn't work this time and next time it will totally work I swear you just have to abolish all laws and privatize literally everything including rain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 13:47:47 No.1707627 Report

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>>1707601
>"Stop admiring Europe for it's supposedly better planning, beyond the few really big cities you have exactly the same car dependent sprawl you can find in the US."-Edition
maybe if you keep reeee'ing about yurp you'll magic a few trains, walkable urban cores, etc, into existence. lol

>>1707605
lol this dickhead lives in Royston Vasey and thinks it gives him perspective on overpopulation

>>1707619
i don't know who you are but i'm pretty sure you're a jerk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 13:51:36 No.1707629 Report

Quoted By: >>1708137

>>1707619
Bay St. Louis is such a shithole

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 14:08:36 No.1707634 Report

Quoted By: >>1707640

>>1707619
>new buildings must always be concrete and glass abominations

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Not Your Dad REEEEE !!OS7PxlLkFR/ Mon 13 Sep 2021 14:24:10 No.1707640 Report

Quoted By: >>1707683

>>1707634
What this person said, except sincerely

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Liquid Grid Mon 13 Sep 2021 14:27:51 No.1707642 Report

Quoted By: >>1707856 >>1708828

Liquid Grid

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 15:09:35 No.1707654 Report

Quoted By: >>1707657 >>1707661 >>1707689 >>1707943

Return to monke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 15:13:52 No.1707657 Report

Quoted By: >>1707721 >>1707935

>>1707654
Thats how you get sprawling megacities like Beijing and Shanghai

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 15:20:45 No.1707661 Report

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>>1707654
Based
There’s a traditional style development near my parents’ house with a little town center, a park, and rowhouses. It also has fenced in the front lawn which is something you usually don’t see in suburbia. Very cozy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 15:47:21 No.1707680 Report

Quoted By: >>1707682

> american suburbs were always shi~~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzBL85kTwwo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 15:55:36 No.1707682 Report

Quoted By: >>1707685

>>1707680
At least you guys found a new channel to repeat stuff from

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 15:56:01 No.1707683 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707640
>tripfag has garbage taste
of course

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 16:01:38 No.1707685 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707682
cope seethe dilate

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 16:36:04 No.1707688 Report

Quoted By: >>1707763 >>1708050

>>1707601
>exactly the same car dependent sprawl you can find in the US."-
Interestingly, most Europeans have a shop and a pub in walking distance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 16:47:26 No.1707689 Report

Quoted By: >>1707721

>>1707654
look at the sprawlfag
look at him and laugh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 18:35:36 No.1707712 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707601
>beyond the few really big cities you have exactly the same car dependent sprawl you can find in the US."-Edition
Unironically kinda true for some parts of Europe. Public transport in places like Ireland fucking sucks, they're saved by the fact that they were too poor in the 1950s to have gone full Auto

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 18:36:49 No.1707715 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707619
Prince Charles literally is an old world aristocrat though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 19:11:04 No.1707721 Report

Quoted By: >>1707723 >>1709737

>>1707657
>>1707689
imagine thinking that image is promoting sprawl

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 19:12:10 No.1707722 Report

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>>1707619
so is that a yes to my question >>1707615 or what

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 19:29:01 No.1707723 Report

Quoted By: >>1707724

>>1707721
It is, just denser sprawl

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 19:33:10 No.1707724 Report

Quoted By: >>1707737

>>1707723
so do you consider all human development sprawl?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 20:06:09 No.1707733 Report

Quoted By: >>1707735 >>1707801 >>1710767

Are there any examples of cities that were consciously designed for a very specific type of person - it seems that there's this constant one size fits all approach in so much modern planning, for once I'd like to see a city be really edgy and do something extreme, with the idea that only the people who like that style of living would go there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 20:12:50 No.1707735 Report

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>>1707733
>cities that were consciously designed for a very specific type of person
What kind of person?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 20:26:02 No.1707737 Report

Quoted By: >>1707745

>>1707724
Yes, if it spreads out over a large area of land

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 20:58:05 No.1707745 Report

Quoted By: >>1707749

>>1707737
lol wrong
Sprawl can't exist without strict zoning.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 21:05:25 No.1707749 Report

Quoted By: >>1707752

>>1707745
Sprawl is just a city expanding outwards to cover more area, zoning has nothing to do with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 21:15:08 No.1707752 Report

Quoted By: >>1707758

>>1707749
.>city expanding outwards to cover more area
...with single-use zones.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 21:52:46 No.1707758 Report

Quoted By: >>1707765

>>1707752
Urban sprawl is literally just when an urban area sprawls out

>urban sprawl as far as the eye can see

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 21:57:49 No.1707761 Report

Quoted By: >>1707765 >>1707790 >>1707791 >>1715200

>>1707619
This is what I've been trying to tell people for years, they claim to hate suburbs and love the real "urban" vibe, what they really want is outdoor shopping malls with apartments built over them. Same "pedestrian-friendly", same ultra-planned development, different packaging. There's nothing actually wrong with this--but it's framed so dishonestly that anyone who talks about it is probably a charlatan who repeats the same talking points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 22:17:05 No.1707763 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707688
>most Europeans have a shop and a pub in walking distance
This.
2 grocery stores, 2 pubs, one gyros shop, a barber, two restaurants, a bowling place and a car wash, and I live in a de facto "suburb" of Budapest

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 22:21:11 No.1707765 Report

Quoted By: >>1707777

>>1707758
Why did you post a picture of single-use area and not a picture of proper city?

>>1707761
>who repeats the same talking points.
(You)

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 22:56:03 No.1707777 Report

Quoted By: >>1707809 >>1707913

>>1707765
Here’s a proper city for you, Tokyo. Any growing city will grow out and up, never just up. The only reason Seoul hasn’t sprawled out even more is that it’s population has been declining for decades.

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Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 23:45:26 No.1707790 Report

Quoted By: >>1710042 >>1715200

>>1707761
>hat they really want is outdoor shopping malls with apartments built over them.
Why outdoor ? Indoors are obviously superior. Always perfect weather. No cars, cyclists, dogs or other animals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Sep 2021 23:58:18 No.1707791 Report

Quoted By: >>1707809

>>1707619
>>1707761
>Pretty much anything new but planned to look like an old timey disney town will have a repulsive uncanny valley vibe. "Urbanists" are always trying to mass produce the old money neighborhoods they covet in old cities because such places have the most prestige. They copy the superficial traits, open a sales office, boring bougie types people move in, they get confused when it fails because they expected hemophiliac old world aristocrats to appear out of nowhere and bleed some of their prestige onto it, and for some weird reason that didn't happen, and then they engage in all kinds of mental gymnastics to explain why it didn't work this time and next time it will totally work I swear you just have to abolish all laws and privatize literally everything including rain.
I second this very deeply.
For too much of our thinking on neo urbanist planning is awfully stuck proposing ancient forms with little understanding how most of it actually worked and why it developed that way, while fundamentally lacking a viable proposal for the present and future or it consists of pipedream for new communities, while ignoring the importance of incremental change Charles Marohn preached about the last decade.

Look for example at Poundbury (and pretty much every older town and city in mediocre to poor economic shape):
Why are so many window fronts empty or filled with trash or businesses that don't really need such a storefront and/or seem awfully out of place?
Because there used to be businesses there (or at least in the places on which you based your town upon), serving the local community in mostly specialized ways which have long become obsolete due to replacement by larger shops, supermarkets and the internet (for example fishmongers, ironmongers and most corner shops (outside the US at least).
Some other things to look at are also the vastly different commuting patterns that came with the automobile and social structures historic towns had.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 00:41:55 No.1707801 Report

Quoted By: >>1708024

>>1707733
peachtree georgia is entirely based around golf courses and golf carts for old people, with small roads specifically made for golf carts as the main form of transportation. funnily despite golf being a super boomer activity that should be the opposite of urbanism, the golf cart paths are great for bikes and golf carts are safer and better for the environment so it works out to be not bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 01:45:24 No.1707809 Report

Quoted By: >>1707822 >>1708047

>>1707777
You purposefully ignore the quality of expansion and that's what makes sprawl (single-zoned overexpansion) and organic expansion (creation of new cities in close proximity) different.
Tokyo metro area has some "new cities" and the most known examples are Shibuya, Shinjuku and Ikebukuro.

>>1707791
> serving the local community in mostly specialized ways which have long become obsolete due to replacement by larger shops, supermarkets and the internet
> Some other things to look at are also the vastly different commuting patterns that came with the automobile
Reject modernity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 03:03:39 No.1707822 Report

Quoted By: >>1707986

>>1707809
>creation of new cities in close proximity

So suburbs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 06:43:30 No.1707855 Report

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Poundbury was actually quite successful and the design is better than 99% of new development I’ve seen. They even made a 2nd one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 06:47:14 No.1707856 Report

Quoted By: >>1707860

>>1707642
Has anyone ever done this? Seems like it could work pretty well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 07:23:23 No.1707860 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707856
Milton Keynes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 13:11:17 No.1707913 Report

Quoted By: >>1707916

>>1707777
posting the largest city on the planet is not a good argument one way or another, as it is clearly an outlier. HOWEVER, consider what a similar populated American city would look like. You think Tokyo is bad? Imagine if Atlanta is given the same population size. It would be even larger than tokyo now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 13:19:29 No.1707916 Report

Quoted By: >>1707921 >>1707940 >>1707989

>>1707913
Why hasn’t it happened in the US then? Because cities fill up, they get too expensive, and people live in other cities instead, and population distributes itself more evenly.

Also, in the US people have options of where they can live. In megacities like Seoul and Tokyo, there’s no options, it’s all just tiny apartments as far as the eye can see.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 13:56:51 No.1707921 Report

Quoted By: >>1707932

>>1707916
>cities fill up, they get too expensive, and people live in other cities instead
hmm yes, reality IS just like your cities skylines. indeed,

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 14:35:00 No.1707932 Report

Quoted By: >>1707948 >>1707999 >>1712245

>>1707921
Projection. But regardless I think it’s cool that in the US you have lots of different lifestyles to choose from, vs Korea and Japan where your choice is either tiny apartment megacity wagie or poverty line farmer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 14:52:49 No.1707935 Report

Quoted By: >>1707938 >>1707943 >>1708143

>>1707657
not if you mandate green belts between towns.
cities should be condensed and "small" with rural areas nearby [~5km from center]

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 15:09:48 No.1707938 Report

Quoted By: >>1708048

>>1707935
Greenbelts just delay the inevitable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 15:10:54 No.1707940 Report

Quoted By: >>1707949

>>1707916
>Why hasn’t it happened in the US then?
US has space to spread outward.
Japan is pretty much full. Japan is mostly mountains, all falt lands ate either fields or buldii. Well Japan HAD space to spread out in past but then they run out of space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 15:15:34 No.1707943 Report

Quoted By: >>1708138 >>1710718

>>1707935
Still the image in >>1707654 is basically saying that it's okay for cities to sprawl out horizontally as long as it's dense. I mean you have to for an infinitely growing city unless you want to keep knocking down and rebuilding burj khalifas, and that's how you get megacities

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 15:21:09 No.1707944 Report

Quoted By: >>1708142

And having literally every industry concentrated in one city is bad for people. Despite urbanist approved zoning laws, they’re still facing an affordability crisis.

https://www.businessinsider.com/seoul-home-prices-rising-pandemic-south-korea-report-2021-4

> The city has faced an increasingly dire affordability crisis since President Moon Jae-in took office in 2017. Despite the government announcing nearly two dozen measures to curb increases over the past three years, home prices in Seoul have risen by 50% since 2017, per a Reuters report.

Maybe building more homes is inducing demand and making the prices even higher?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 16:01:08 No.1707948 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707932
>Korea and Japan where your choice is either tiny apartment megacity wagie or poverty line farmer.
Somehow, I doubt this is correct. Perhaps you are mistaken.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 16:02:29 No.1707949 Report

Quoted By: >>1707991 >>1708173

>>1707940
>Japan is pretty much full.
>they run out of space
That's an interesting thing to say. What makes you say that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 17:27:37 No.1707986 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707822
Again, don't ignore inconvenient words in my posts, like:
>single-zoned overexpansion
or
>Shibuya, Shinjuku and Ikebukuro

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 17:39:46 No.1707989 Report

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>>1707916
>Why hasn’t it happened in the US then?
Suburbanization was forced by government, murricans didn't choose anything.

>Also, in the US people have options of where they can live.
Turbo delusion.
Average murrican has 2 options: suburban cattle shed or neo-commieblock cell in proximity to niggers.
Both require life-long mortgage.

>it’s all just tiny apartments as far as the eye can see.
Repeat after me: american exceptionalism is a meme.
In reality you're a bunch of rootless people with top-down imposed values.

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Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 17:43:14 No.1707991 Report

Quoted By: >>1707993

>>1707949
Because large metro areas in Japan are located on plains and Kanto plain is the biggest one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 17:53:20 No.1707993 Report

Quoted By: >>1708033

>>1707991
And how does that make them full?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 18:07:35 No.1707999 Report

Quoted By: >>1710418

>>1707932
Only rich people or really poor people live in apartments in Japan. The former in luxury towers and the latter in quasi-commieblocks (they look better). Regular homeowners in Japan live in single family homes that tend to be smaller the more you get closer to the city centers but it really depends on lot sizes.

Then there's single room apartments for student or young workers that are literally a God's blessing because they're actually affordable and easy to find, some single adult poor people also live in those as well but it's not really normal, they're usually always drunk 50yo neets.
I remember saving quite a bit on my study year abroad because one of such apartments in central Yokohama would be about 100$ less expensive than a single room in a shared apartment in insular (central) Venice, Italy. They're even less expensive than Venice University dorm rooms. And wages in Yokohama are way higher than Italian wages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:17:00 No.1708024 Report

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>>1707801
Yeah this is the kind of thing I fuck with. There's an island in australia I went to once that does the same thing, there are literally no cars on the island just golf carts

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 19:53:25 No.1708033 Report

Quoted By: >>1708039

>>1707993
because everything not green on that map is mountains and uninhabbitable mega city wise. Open up a map of Japan and I bet all of that green space in that map is just city nohgmwxw

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 20:41:42 No.1708039 Report

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>>1708033
>Open up a map of Japan and I bet
oh. so, you haven't, like, thought about this, just looked at a picture and drawn conclusions. Lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:05:54 No.1708047 Report

Quoted By: >>1708095 >>1711031

>>1707809
>Tokyo metro area has some "new cities" and the most known examples are Shibuya, Shinjuku and Ikebukuro.
no one considers those not part of tokyo though retard
they are entwined with the rest of the city

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:07:06 No.1708048 Report

Quoted By: >>1708143

>>1707938
not if you stabilize the population

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:12:27 No.1708050 Report

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>>1707688
>Interestingly, most Europeans have a shop and a pub in walking distance.
True. I live in a small city in the Netherlands and there's plenty to do within walking distance, even for those who live well outside the city center. Even the most remote suburbs of this town have at least a place to do groceries, a pub or two, something like a barber, perhaps a gym, and small parks and playgrounds for recreation... and that's pretty typical because those things are basic necessities that any normal human being desires and it's just bad planning if people have to drive just to parttake in mundane activities. There are few places in the country where you absolutely need to own a car to get by, and all of those places are remote rural villages.

I don't think OP realizes just how unusually strict the zoning laws in some areas of the US and Canada are, and to what extent they contribute to urban sprawl. To create a neighborhood where you have to drive in order to do any of these essential things because it's literally illegal to build anything other than a single family home, is absolutely bonkers... but those neighborhoods exist by the thousands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Sep 2021 21:49:56 No.1708062 Report

Quoted By: >>1708144

It’s cool that in the US and Europe you can work the same job but choose between having a little apartment in the city or living in a house with a yard and commuting in. People in Asian cities don’t have that choice. If they want to work in the city, they’re stuck with the tiny apartment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 00:22:41 No.1708095 Report

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>>1708047
Kawasaki, Musashi-kosugi/Maruko, Chofu, Fuchuu, Mitaka, Kichijoji, Tama, Koganei, Kokubunji, Tachikawa, Haijima, Fussa, Hachioji, Tokorozawa, Sagamihara, Machida, Ebina, Yamato, Atsugi, Hiratsuka, Chigasaki, Tsujido, Fujisawa, Enoshima, Kamakura, Zushi, Yokosuka, Kurihama, Ofuna, Kanazawa, Totsuka, Yokohama, Kawagoe, Omiya, Urawa, Kasukabe, Koshigaya, Matsudo, Kashiwa, Urayasu, Ichikawa, Funabashi, Makuhari, Chiba, Narita, Tsuchiura and Tsukuba though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 01:39:37 No.1708115 Report

Quoted By: >>1708126 >>1708135

Boggles the mind that NIMBYs want to stop people from building places like the OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 02:46:51 No.1708126 Report

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>>1708115
i don't blame nimbys. i would never trust a developer to build anything good, lasting, or beautiful in my city. it's all mcburbs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 02:47:07 No.1708127 Report

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>>1707601
>you have exactly the same car dependent sprawl you can find in the US
A lot of people tell this in my eurocountry. I lived all my life in a city with everything close at any time of the day and recently went to my gf parent's house in a 600 inhabitant town
Pub & basic grocery stuff : 5 min. walk
Children school (till 10 y-o) : 5 min. walk
Egg & chicken at the farm : 3.5 km
all other stuff : 8km - 10km
middle school : 9.7km
high school : 11.5 km

An electric bike is more than enough.
The only issue is that roads are all 70 or 90km/h and there are no bike lane or anything that make people want to ride and eventually jobs aren't very close (20km min with no commute)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 03:48:42 No.1708135 Report

Quoted By: >>1709363 >>1709706

>>1708115
Looks like shit. You’re living in a boring tiny ass town and you don’t even have a yard to anything like have a garden or pool or play sports, you’re still crammed in a minuscule apartment. What’s the point

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:00:45 No.1708137 Report

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>>1707629
By Gulf Coast standards it's kinda nice, or at least the three square blocks that are the old walkable core are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:02:51 No.1708138 Report

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>>1707943
Nothing wrong with megacities if they're functional. The image is promoting functional neighborhoods organized as mostly self-sufficient wholes, rather than a single superdense downtown surrounded by a sea of suburban groundcover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:12:57 No.1708140 Report

Quoted By: >>1708753

How do you deal with the existential dread knowing the city you live within won't stop being mediocre in your lifetime?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:23:36 No.1708142 Report

Quoted By: >>1711583

>>1707944
>Maybe building more homes is inducing demand and making the prices even higher?
There are only so many Koreans, and immigration isn't a huge input to their growth. Either new construction in high-demand areas isn't meeting demand, or transportation links to high-demand areas are insufficient and leading to concentrated development necessitating high-cost building methods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:25:50 No.1708143 Report

Quoted By: >>1708221

>>1707935
Greenbelts don't work. They just push out sprawl further and just become a giant homeless jungle, like in Seattle.
>>1708048
"Stabilize the population" is only possible if you have some sort of iron fist on how people run their lives. Not that it's always a bad thing--Western Europe and United States can't even get a grip on immigration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:28:30 No.1708144 Report

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>>1708062
Have you ever been to even a single Asian city? Tokyo has a wider variety of housing types to choose from than American cities due to more permissive zoning. You can even car-commute to a big country house if your employer sees fit to provide you a parking spot at the office.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:33:13 No.1708145 Report

Quoted By: >>1708155 >>1708166 >>1708228

There needs to be more express highway lanes, which are unfortunately rare without being tolled. The reality is that most of the highway congestion is from slowing down around exits and entrances, so an express highway would actually get where you would want to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 04:57:17 No.1708155 Report

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>>1708145
User fees would solve a lot of problems with highways in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 05:26:41 No.1708166 Report

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>>1708145
Highways should be tolled to have less drivers from surrounding suburbs driving into the main city hub because they've built only detached houses repeatedly and neighborhoods with terrible walkability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 06:24:01 No.1708173 Report

Quoted By: >>1708179

>>1707949
Open Google maps and see for yourself. All flatlands are utilized. The rest 3/4 of Japan is forest covered mountains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 07:09:11 No.1708179 Report

Quoted By: >>1708222 >>1708227

>>1708173
>All flatlands are utilized
Hmm. Somehow, I don't think that's the case. I don't think you're getting accurate information, if you are basing this hypothesis on a glance at Google Earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 11:26:59 No.1708221 Report

Quoted By: >>1711589

>>1708143
what absolute retardation is this
do you think birth rates in developed countries are above replacement rate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 11:30:18 No.1708222 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708179
your turn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 11:50:04 No.1708227 Report

Quoted By: >>1708230

>>1708179
You thinking is not required in this case
You just need to take a look at things yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 11:54:10 No.1708228 Report

Quoted By: >>1708246

>>1708145
>The reality is that most of the highway congestion is from slowing down around exits and entrances
lmao, not in america. most slowdowns are caused by reckless and constant lane changing. here in Charlotte there are huge stretches of 485 and 77 that get gridlocked at random parts of the day with no exits around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 11:58:09 No.1708230 Report

Quoted By: >>1708236

>>1708227
Well, I can certainly look at things, but that does not always mean I am able to offer informed judgement on the things I am looking at. And, although I do not know much about you, I doubt that you are qualified to judge if a place is 'full', either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 12:13:55 No.1708236 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708230
>I am trained to not believe my one eyes but believe what teachers or experts say
Do zoomers really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 12:25:18 No.1708240 Report

Quoted By:

Ah. 'Alternative facts', then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 12:50:27 No.1708246 Report

Quoted By: >>1708267 >>1708276 >>1708330 >>1708715

>>1708228
Well, in NC, a lot of the lane changing is down to dickheads who drive at or under the limit in the left lane.
Another dumb NC thing is building cheap-shit highway ramp intersections which end at a traffic light, instead of cloverleafs. Always fun to make everything a wait at a light so traffic backs up onto the highway.
I hate toll roads, but thank god 540 is FINALLY being completed. It'll make S. Wake go through the roof and I can cash the fuck out. Thanks, Easley, for delaying it 20 fucking years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 13:57:43 No.1708267 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708246
>Another dumb NC thing is building cheap-shit highway ramp intersections which end at a traffic light, instead of cloverleafs.
or the reverse with entrance ramps that are at most 100-200 feet long so you better fucking merge or else. I think there is an entrance ramp of 277 to 77 north in downtown Charlotte where the ramp literally dead ends into the barricade. Good luck faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 14:17:34 No.1708276 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708246
Conventional cloverleaafs are obsolete and modern ones require collector-distributors that increase the cost substantially which is why no one builds them anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 16:04:44 No.1708293 Report

Quoted By: >>1708294 >>1708494

basically right
communist zoning laws are bad
what dumb fucking retard is keeping these laws in place seriously they're in every single country

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 16:06:18 No.1708294 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708293
>seriously they're in every single country
Doesn't sound very communist

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 19:25:03 No.1708325 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707601
That's only partly true. Yeah there are sprawlburbs, but cities and small towns still have walkable downtowns, transit-oriented medium density burbs, or small satellite villages/hamlets that are centered around a train station and allow convenient movement with public transit. Plus transit is usually quite decent, with good or at least acceptable frequency, and without being surrounded by junkies and feral nogs on the train/bus (exceptions apply).

tl;dr the superiority of euro planning is that you actually have a choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Sep 2021 19:51:38 No.1708330 Report

Quoted By: >>1708825 >>1711591

>>1708246
As long as you have a long enough ramp with time to get over to the correct lanes, ramps that go to traffic lights are fine. Cloverleafs are bad because you have to merge into a lane that people are already trying to merge out of, slam on the brakes to take a fairly sharp curve, then change lanes out (which people are also trying to get into) to go on your way. The only time I see cloverleafs is places with antiquated infrastructure like Louisiana or rural areas where there isn't enough traffic to make a difference. Cloverleafs aren't very pedestrian friendly at all (no space for sidewalks or crosswalks) but that doesn't matter, because half of /n/ thinks that if it doesn't significantly inconvenience vehicular traffic, it's not an improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 16 Sep 2021 09:18:40 No.1708494 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708293
why would you need zoning laws if the state initiates all construction?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 00:00:43 No.1708715 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708246
Wait where is 540 gonna reach to? Farthest I've gone on it is the close side of Apex. I'm a Carychad myself.
My buddy bought some land in Pittsboro a few years ago and I'm regretting not joining him. Prices are going through the roof now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 03:21:22 No.1708753 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708140
Move somewhere that's already what you want or just wallow in the mediocrity and go with the masses.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 07:31:29 No.1708825 Report

Quoted By: >>1708873 >>1711083

>>1708330
Also pic related is a superior way to interchange between highways and smaller roads.
>entrance/exit ramps are far away from the road, meaning that there's less braking involved before the stoplight
>u-turn lane provides access to the frontage road, and prevents pedestrians from being right next to the edge of the bridge
>being positioned above the highway eliminates need for artificial lighting and reduces chance for hobo encampment to build underneath

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 07:43:10 No.1708828 Report

Quoted By: >>1708855

>>1707642
there are 2 huge neighborhoods like this in mira mesa, california and it is nightmarish

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 10:02:11 No.1708855 Report

Quoted By: >>1708863 >>1709036

>>1708828
why are these nightmarish

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 10:36:47 No.1708859 Report

Quoted By: >>1709239

I live on the edge of a 30k town in the Netherlands and I’m within walking distance of four supermarkets, at least five restaurants and many more bars, a doctor and a hospital. My dentist is on the other side of town so I generally bike there in ten to fifteen minutes. If I want to go to a proper city I can bike there as well, same for going to the woods or the countryside.

Can’t remember the last time I needed something engine powered to get where I need desu, not even public transport.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 10:45:34 No.1708863 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708855
brown people live there. ooga booga! (screams in White)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 12:01:29 No.1708873 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708825
>being positioned above the highway eliminates need for artificial lighting and reduces chance for hobo encampment to build underneath
This is not the intended reason. Minor road over the major road results in a smaller bridge (cost); and allow entering vehicles to speed up on a down ramp, and exiting traffic to slow down on a up ramp (operation). Better visibility for safety when merging with oncoming main line, and diverging to any queues on the off-slip.
Frontage roadway is the simply answer to access management and land acquisition. Roundabouts handle complex multi-way service interchange better, and on itself already provides a safe u-turn opportunity without weaving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 15:41:53 No.1709036 Report

Quoted By: >>1709085

>>1708855
i do food delivery in these neighborhoods sometimes. there is always traffic, every block has a 4 way stop sign (and the blocks are small), and theres speed bumps everywhere. a 4 mile trip takes 15-20 minutes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 17 Sep 2021 20:24:35 No.1709085 Report

Quoted By: >>1710408

>>1709036
sounds great for pedestrians :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Sep 2021 07:45:49 No.1709239 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708859
This sounds extremely comfy. If I didn't have elderly family I can't leave behind, I'd try to find a place like this in a heartbeat.
Maybe when they pass, but hopefully that's long away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 18 Sep 2021 14:51:42 No.1709363 Report

Quoted By: >>1709709 >>1709730

>>1708135
Looks way better than cookie cutter tract housing.

Plus you can walk a minute and immediately be in the countryside, it’s awesome. Maybe you wouldn’t like it if you hate nature.
Also your claim about it being all apartments was retarded lol, guess you were looking at a different picture.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 15:13:58 No.1709706 Report

Quoted By: >>1709709 >>1710036

>>1708135
I would rather be surrounded by beautiful green countryside than surrounded by 6 lane roads and fast food joints because "muh yard". Btw lots of new suburban developments are apartments without yards, so your point is moot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 15:21:46 No.1709709 Report

Quoted By: >>1709715 >>1709718

>>1709363
>Looks way better than cookie cutter tract housing.
Nah just different

>Plus you can walk a minute and immediately be in the countryside, it’s awesome.
Just buy your own land in the sticks if you want the country side so bad. It's cheap

>>1709706
>pic of 3 story apartment buildings
>celebrating it
Sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 15:38:28 No.1709715 Report

Quoted By: >>1709720

>>1709709
I posted suburban apartments with a walk score of 0, genius. I see these shits off every fucking interstate where i live. The point is that your argument that "sprawl means everybody gets a yard" is wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 15:40:47 No.1709718 Report

Quoted By: >>1709720

>>1709709
>Just buy your own land in the sticks if you want the country side so bad. It's cheap
It would be nice to have nature and the option of a local community in walking distance, as opposed to being alone isolated and 25 minutes from a Wal-Mart

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 15:42:24 No.1709720 Report

Quoted By: >>1709738

>>1709715
I don't care

>>1709718
Too bad, get a car

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 15:58:55 No.1709730 Report

Quoted By:

>>1709363
When I visited England I remember being impressed at how easily you could go from the city center to the countryside and see sheep pastures. You get a lot of benefits if you don’t create 15 miles of suburban sprawl between your city and your countryside.
Also in the villages you could have both walkability and countryside.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 16:17:00 No.1709737 Report

Quoted By: >>1709739

>>1707721
The cagetrolls get butthurt about any urban development so they try to conflate it with sprawl.
That image is a great way to build new.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 16:21:50 No.1709738 Report

Quoted By:

>>1709720
kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 16:28:53 No.1709739 Report

Quoted By: >>1709740 >>1709916

>>1709737
I just don’t get this mentality that it’s ok for cities to expand outwardly infinitely as long as the buildings are 4 stories tall instead of 2. It’s still sprawl.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 16:35:41 No.1709740 Report

Quoted By: >>1709742 >>1709744

>>1709739
Its the largest city on earth dude, most cities aren't going to look like Tokyo. If Atlanta or Houston had Tokyo density, they would take up a little more than 10% of their current metro area. Thats a massive fucking difference

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 16:50:41 No.1709742 Report

Quoted By: >>1710525

>>1709740
Okay? My point is that people are ok with cities expanding outwards as long as the buildings are apartments and stores instead of houses. It really doesn’t make any sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 19 Sep 2021 17:05:39 No.1709744 Report

Quoted By:

>>1709740
It looks like this cagetroll has a learning disability.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 00:10:00 No.1709841 Report

Quoted By: >>1709842 >>1709937 >>1710037 >>1710057

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 00:11:29 No.1709842 Report

Quoted By: >>1714518

>>1709841
Population... has grown over time??? Get outta here lol

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Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 04:17:59 No.1709897 Report

Quoted By: >>1711598

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 05:13:37 No.1709916 Report

Quoted By:

>>1709739
Most buildings in Tokyo are 2 stories tall single family houses.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 06:38:34 No.1709937 Report

Quoted By: >>1710024

>>1709841
Reminder that as much as people like to hate on freeways, even the freeways in Houston have had just one (maybe two, in a few rare cases) major re-do in all of their freeways with nothing but routine maintenance happening in-between.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 13:07:08 No.1710024 Report

Quoted By: >>1710035 >>1710340

>>1709937
Houston has a shitton of freeways and a shitton of traffic because of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 13:47:22 No.1710035 Report

Quoted By: >>1711599

>>1710024
Yeah and the subway delivers food to stores, and you can take it to other cities too!
But thanks for your low-IQ take though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 13:55:09 No.1710036 Report

Quoted By:

>>1709706
>lots of new suburban developments are apartments without yards
That's just stupid. Ther people who move to the suburbs want to live away from other people, not in an apartment with them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 13:59:26 No.1710037 Report

Quoted By: >>1710054 >>1710060 >>1714518

>>1709841
>let more people in
>"oh no, traffic's bad"
>let more people in
>"oh no, traffic's bad"
>let more people in
>"oh no, traffic's bad"
Remember, in 1950 California had 10 Million people living there. 1970 there were 20 Million. Today it's over 40.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 14:27:24 No.1710042 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707790
This works as long as we enforce the death penalty for murder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 14:55:02 No.1710054 Report

Quoted By: >>1710141

>>1710037
Plenty of time to convert to better public transit. What's your point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 15:11:39 No.1710057 Report

Quoted By: >>1710132

>>1709841
I understand if you want to make an 8-lane freeway somewhere in an industrial area but that many lanes in a major city is just retarded. Doesn’t do anything to help traffic flow either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 15:41:29 No.1710060 Report

Quoted By: >>1710077 >>1710129 >>1710180

>>1710037
How do you propose to stop people moving into places that have demand for labor? Are you going to build a big wall around your town and shoot anyone who comes in? What about children who grow up and need to move out into a new household, do they get exiled?
Your whole theme of "cities should never grow ever for any reason" doesn't really work. Even in a world of static population growth, people will want to move from depressed places to successful places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 16:02:28 No.1710077 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710060
>Are you going to build a big wall around your town and shoot anyone who comes in?
You joke, but that is how rightoid "brains" operate

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 18:12:32 No.1710129 Report

Quoted By: >>1710245

>>1710060
Ask China how they’re doing it in Beijing and Shanghai.

How would you actually cap the population? Same way as China. Limit the amount of housing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 18:24:48 No.1710132 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710057
Have you considered maybe those buildings came AFTER the freeway was built?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 18:51:53 No.1710141 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710054
He doesn’t have any point, he just wants all cities demolished and covered in asphalt. He’s a retard.

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Anonymous Mon 20 Sep 2021 21:38:13 No.1710180 Report

Quoted By: >>1711600

>>1710060
>How do you propose to stop people moving into places that have demand for labor?
Tax newcomers by positive discrimination into oblivion (make ridonculous general level of taxation for persons basically making life nonsustainable but make tax relieves fro locals).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 02:13:32 No.1710245 Report

Quoted By: >>1710293

>>1710129
China doesn't limit the amount of housing, they have a weird pseudo-feudal system that ties rural villagers to their land. Adults migrate to the cities to live in off-the-books accommodations and leave their children back at home, where they qualify for state services, because they can only get public school in the place they were born.
So unless you're advocating for totalitarian neo-feudalism (with Chinese characteristics) I think your solution is untenable. It's not even working all that well for China.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 04:23:24 No.1710286 Report

Quoted By: >>1710288

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 04:31:04 No.1710288 Report

Quoted By: >>1710438 >>1710520

>>1710286
Yeah… about that

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 04:43:26 No.1710293 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710245
>China doesn't limit the amount of housing

You’re right, they go further and literally destroy housing.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 05:09:23 No.1710299 Report

Quoted By: >>1710409

My graduating class in university has 2 urban planning majors. We're so fucked.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 07:21:25 No.1710340 Report

Quoted By: >>1710435

>>1710024
>a shitton of freeways and a shitton of traffic because of it
Induced demand is a meme. There's correlation to be sure but half-informed YouTube videos have taken it to the proportions that traffic will practically generate in a vacuum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 12:53:37 No.1710408 Report

Quoted By:

>>1709085
Except for the
>always traffic
part. Cars on the road suck if you’re in a car, on a bike, or walking. Ultimately, every problem with gridlock on the highways, congested cities, slow commutes, and loud cities can be summarized as “there’s too many cars on the road”, instead of the typically assumed “the roads don’t have enough capacity”. As much as I’d prefer pedestrian and bike infrastructure because I like my commute to be light cardio and it keeps me from having to deal with people of the city, the actual way to fix this is with better public transportation: BRT and light rail (regular busses suck because they just get caught in traffic, are always late, and are indirect routes where driving is faster).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 12:56:18 No.1710409 Report

Quoted By: >>1710410

>>1710299
is that too many or not enough

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 13:01:46 No.1710410 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710409
Too many. Field is saturated

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 13:20:55 No.1710418 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707999
Japan truly is paradise on Earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 13:59:47 No.1710435 Report

Quoted By: >>1710441 >>1710835

>>1710340
Induced demand is empirically proven by decades of studies, you just claim it’s not real because it hurts your feelings. Quit being such a snowflake lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:01:15 No.1710438 Report

Quoted By: >>1710441

>>1710288
Cool cherrypicked opinion.
Traffic got better in Seoul after they removed the expressway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:04:24 No.1710441 Report

Quoted By: >>1710450

>>1710435
>Induced demand is empirically proven by decades of studies
No it's not. It's a catchphrase that has been published over several decades. There is no such thing as "induced demand," there is only demand.

>>1710438
>Traffic got better in Seoul after they removed the expressway.
For that one thoroughfare, maybe. Obviously it didn't help anywhere else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:09:20 No.1710450 Report

Quoted By: >>1710487

>>1710441
I’m just posting facts though. Don’t be such a snowflake. Traffic in Seoul improved after they removed the expressway. It happens a lot of places.

https://freakonomics.com/2011/05/13/does-destroying-highways-solve-urban-traffic-congestion/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:25:00 No.1710487 Report

Quoted By: >>1710499 >>1710505

>>1710450
>I’m just posting facts though.
But there is evidence to the contrary that it did nothing that's already been posted itt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:32:39 No.1710499 Report

Quoted By: >>1710520

>>1710487
They posted evidence that traffic is still bad, not that it didn’t improve. Traffic probably just got less bad, and worsened with an increase of population, but it’d be worst if the lane remained. So it helped, but not enough to make traffic good.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:34:33 No.1710505 Report

Quoted By: >>1710506 >>1710520

>>1710487
Where is your purported evidence?
Personally I’ve posted lots of evidence proving that freeways don’t help traffic but you can’t post a single thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:35:54 No.1710506 Report

Quoted By: >>1710880

>>1710505
Maybe traffic doesn’t get better because they city’s population is constantly growing and there are tens of thousands of new cars on the road every year?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:41:01 No.1710520 Report

Quoted By: >>1710553

>>1710499
>So it helped
Opinion

>>1710505
>Where is your purported evidence?
>>1710288

>Personally I’ve posted lots of evidence
You're posted lots of screencaps, yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:45:59 No.1710525 Report

Quoted By: >>1710526

>>1709742
This is stupid and so are you. You're missing the point that cities can be designed different. Sprawl occurs when a city is large in size AND things are far apart. Alternatively, you can have a huge city but everything anyone needs is located in their neighbourhood and accessible within a 15 minute by walk. In that case the city can "spread" perfectly fine without causing too many issues.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 14:48:29 No.1710526 Report

Quoted By: >>1710693

>>1710525
>This is stupid and so are you.
Why do /n/imbys have to resort to name-calling? Can't they just make a point without insulting people, or are they really that desperate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 15:10:09 No.1710553 Report

Quoted By: >>1710583

>>1710520
That’s not evidence, that’s some random guy’s opinion piece. And it doesn’t even say traffic got worse after the freeway removal.

Meanwhile we have kids of evidence showing that adding lanes to freeways makes traffic worse.

If that’s the best you can do you’ll just have to admit you don’t have any evidence. But we already knew that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 15:28:06 No.1710583 Report

Quoted By: >>1710585

>>1710553
>That’s not evidence, that’s some random guy’s opinion piece.
And your screencaps are different how?

>Meanwhile we have kids of evidence showing that adding lanes to freeways makes traffic worse.
No, we're just not adding enough highway capacity. We're not meeting demand.

>If that’s the best you can do you’ll just have to admit you don’t have any evidence.
Again, all you posted were screencaps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 15:29:07 No.1710585 Report

Quoted By: >>1710587

>>1710583
>We're not meeting demand.
how much freeway space is needed before the entire city is freeways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 15:30:09 No.1710587 Report

Quoted By: >>1710588

>>1710585
>how much freeway space is needed before the entire city is freeways?
You should research that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 15:30:53 No.1710588 Report

Quoted By: >>1710597 >>1710598

>>1710587
we don't even know? just gonna keep expanding and hope eventually it's enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 15:42:00 No.1710597 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710588
That would be an interesting subject for you to write a dissertation on

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 15:42:02 No.1710598 Report

Quoted By: >>1710610

>>1710588
Just bulldoze the entire city and make it a parking lot for Costco. Bulk groceries and gas is all anyone needs to buy. Anything specific can be shopped for on Amazon. Your suburban house or apartment has a TV for recreation. There’s no need for anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 15:48:42 No.1710610 Report

Quoted By: >>1710647

>>1710598
/n/imby resorts to histrionics as usual

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 16:28:18 No.1710647 Report

Quoted By: >>1710658

>>1710610
I want grocery stores, pubs, and offices in my backyard. Actually, I live in a very pedestrianable neighborhood with those things, if it weren’t for the 5-lane road right and 5-lane stroad next to where I live. The road is okay because I can walk on the side streets next to it. The stroad has a sidewalk that will just randomly and and dump you into 40 mph traffic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 16:36:04 No.1710658 Report

Quoted By: >>1710672

>>1710647
>I want grocery stores, pubs, and offices in my backyard.
Alright. Move somewhere that has those.

>stroad
There's already a "stroad" thread going on if you just want to regurgitate buzzwords.

>and dump you into 40 mph traffic.
If you're too dumb to see where the sidewalk ends, that's your problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 16:59:03 No.1710672 Report

Quoted By: >>1710675

>>1710658
Why does the sidewalk just end? I have another half mile to get to my destination. Do you think people should have to drive for a grocery store less than a mile away? And I use “Stroad” to separate it from the actually well designed road that it intersects. The road doesn’t have businesses directly on it, and keeps that to the side streets along it. This stops traffic constantly being slowed down by cars entering/leaving, and gives pedestrians a reasonably safe area to walk (for overkill, it even has separated sidewalks that don’t randomly end until you get to the highways). Of course, you’re probably a fat bastard who’s never walked a distance further than your couch to your car.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 17:03:55 No.1710675 Report

Quoted By: >>1710685 >>1710702

>>1710672
>Why does the sidewalk just end?
Lack of demand, I would presume.

>I have another half mile to get to my destination.
Take it up with the city, or simply get a car.

>And I use “Stroad” to separate it from the actually well designed road that it intersects.
Roads I like = roads
Roads I don't like = stroads
Very scientific and totally not a buzzword

>Of course, you’re probably a fat bastard who’s never walked a distance further than your couch to your car.
Why do /n/imbys have to resort to name-calling? Can't they just make a point without insulting people, or are they really that desperate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 17:13:51 No.1710685 Report

Quoted By: >>1710698

>>1710675
>get a car
>shut up and buy product
>your wallet has too much money, and the insurance companies need it
>finance the Saudis. What’s the worst that will happen?
And “stroad” is a street with businesses on it, but with speed limits and lane design like you shouldn’t be expecting people to be going in/out of driveways and parking lots. Roads are used only to get to/from a destination point. Streets are the destination point, and are slow with businesses and residences along them. Why can’t you understand that road design should be based around how the road should be used?
I also name call you because you refuse to understand points, and you can’t understand because you have never even attempted to walk anywhere. You probably whine about taxes, while using public infrastructure that you don’t pay enough taxes to actually support (city plumbing and sewer, road maintenance).

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 17:26:50 No.1710693 Report

Quoted By: >>1710698

>>1710526
>literal nimby who wants nothing to disturb his backyard calling others a nimby
>completely avoiding the point of the post

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 17:40:29 No.1710698 Report

Quoted By: >>1710723

>>1710685
>And “stroad” is a street with businesses on it,
There's no such thing as a stroad. It's just a normal road you do not like.

>Roads are used only to get to/from a destination point.
Yep. That's what roads are for, to get places. Thus, the term "stroad" is superfluous and its definition will vary from person to person, so it can take a place next to other buzzwords like "smart growth."

>I also name call you because you refuse to understand points
Maybe you're just not making good points.

>You probably whine about taxes, while using public infrastructure that you don’t pay enough taxes to actually support (city plumbing and sewer, road maintenance).
Go ahead and post cherry_picked.jpg from your blog. You know you want to.

>>1710693
Not an argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 17:45:23 No.1710702 Report

Quoted By: >>1710704

>>1710675
>Why do /n/imbys have to resort to name-calling
you're running out of material cagie, you already used this line in another thread >>1710678

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 17:48:25 No.1710704 Report

Quoted By: >>1710716

>>1710702
>you already used this line in another thread
Yes, let me know when you have an answer instead of resorting to name-calling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 17:57:25 No.1710716 Report

Quoted By: >>1710737

>>1710704
:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 17:58:03 No.1710718 Report

Quoted By: >>1711347

>>1707943
no, it’s saying the natural way cities expand is to have another city pop up nearby and eventually merge into one big city that still functions like a normal smaller city because it’s literally just a couple of cities that touched
for example, my city is three cities that naturally popped up around a river delta
my grandfather’s town has 2 churches because it used to be 2 villages 200 years ago, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:00:44 No.1710723 Report

Quoted By: >>1710737

>>1710698
>There's no such thing as a stroad. It's just a normal road you do not like.
wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroad

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:09:20 No.1710737 Report

Quoted By: >>1710743 >>1710750 >>1710755

>>1710716
Not an argument

>>1710723
I'm right. "Stroad" was a term invented by a blogger. Wikipedia a starting point for research, but hardly authoritative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:14:42 No.1710743 Report

Quoted By: >>1710754

>>1710737
all words are made up, keep crying cunt, stroad isn't disappearing just cuz it hurts your feelings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:20:52 No.1710750 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710737
blogger is a word invented by a blogger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:23:19 No.1710754 Report

Quoted By: >>1710758 >>1710760

>>1710743
People will take your arguments seriously if you don't stoop to name-calling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:24:00 No.1710755 Report

Quoted By: >>1710764

>>1710737
you know wikipedia has other sources right? other people besides that blog use the term.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:25:02 No.1710758 Report

Quoted By: >>1710764

>>1710754
you never take any argument seriously. you're not on /n/ to discuss, you just want to fight and argue, you never change your mind, nobody here likes you, yet you stick around to "le troll"
what a sad existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:25:52 No.1710760 Report

Quoted By: >>1710764

>>1710754
people will take your arguments seriously if you aren't such a fucking pussy, cunt

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:29:10 No.1710763 Report

Quoted By: >>1710777

What does an average day in the life of an urban planner look like?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:30:19 No.1710764 Report

Quoted By: >>1710765

>>1710755
>you know wikipedia has other sources right?
One source listed is a student newspaper, and another is a youtube video.

>other people besides that blog use the term.
Yes like the people at Jalopnik. Oh wait, that's a blog.

>>1710758
I don't take bad arguments like yours seriously.

>>1710760
I accept your concession of defeat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:31:29 No.1710765 Report

Quoted By: >>1710768

>>1710764
>i'll ignore bloomberg cuz it's not credible and i don't like it
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-01-07/defining-the-worst-type-of-street-design
kekeroni cagie

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:34:11 No.1710767 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707733
Places like Dubai and Las Vegas or The Villages in Florida are exactly those types of places

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:34:44 No.1710768 Report

Quoted By: >>1710773

>>1710765
>Bloomberg CityLab
aka a blog

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:37:27 No.1710773 Report

Quoted By: >>1710782

>>1710768
no it's bloomberg.com, aka a reputable news org.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:43:21 No.1710777 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710763
lots of paperwork

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:54:19 No.1710782 Report

Quoted By: >>1710784

>>1710773
CityLab looks like a blog to me. Regardless, Bloomberg is a journalistic organization, not a public policy/urban issues research group. I would find a more academic source before leaning too heavily on CityLab.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 18:56:52 No.1710784 Report

Quoted By: >>1710788

>>1710782
>words are only words if some college professor says so
wow anon you're so intelligent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:00:43 No.1710788 Report

Quoted By: >>1710794

>>1710784
Let me know when you come up with something substantive. Until then, "stroad" is just a buzzword invented by a blogger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:03:00 No.1710794 Report

Quoted By: >>1710797

>>1710788
and it'll continue to be used and you'll keep crying

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:04:39 No.1710797 Report

Quoted By: >>1710799 >>1710829

>>1710794
>and it'll continue to be used
by bloggers, of course

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:05:51 No.1710799 Report

Quoted By: >>1710806

>>1710797

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:12:12 No.1710806 Report

Quoted By: >>1710810 >>1710811

>>1710799
Why can't /n/imbys make reasoned arguments?

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:14:15 No.1710810 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710806

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:14:34 No.1710811 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710806
bebop dodoo, blam flag zim zam? checkmate gagas

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:34:44 No.1710829 Report

Quoted By: >>1710833 >>1710845

>>1710797
The fact that I can say streets and roads are different things and most people will agree shows they are different things. Streets are meant to access residential and commercial areas. Roads are meant to travel long distances at high speeds. A combination of the two sucks at both tasks, being too loud and dangerous for residents to live on, funneling traffic away from businesses who need feet, and with constant entrances, exits, and people even attempting to use things slowing down traffic that wants to drive. A combination word is used to describe this, like how a “spork” is a combination of a fork and spoon. Why don’t you understand that different driving surfaces serve different purposes, and should be designed to fit those purposes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:37:43 No.1710833 Report

Quoted By: >>1710837

>>1710829
Well, again, that all boils down to what your personal definitions of streets and roads are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:41:28 No.1710835 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710435
Read the post again for what it's actually saying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:42:43 No.1710837 Report

Quoted By: >>1710844 >>1710845

>>1710833
But you agree they are different things? And you agree that business and residential access hurts driving, and fast through traffic hurts business and residential activities?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:51:17 No.1710844 Report

Quoted By: >>1710853

>>1710837
>But you agree they are different things?
I do not agree with that statement. I think the terms are so nebulous and there is enough overlap from on term to the next that they may as well not be definable.

>And you agree that business and residential access hurts driving, and fast through traffic hurts business and residential activities?
Although I neither agree nor disagree, I think your outline here--that lots of driveways impairs traffic/fast traffic isn't conducive to business & residential areas--is a better overall approach to the matter than making up new words for already obfuscated, ill-defined terms.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 19:52:28 No.1710845 Report

Quoted By: >>1710853

>>1710837
Not that anon, but what is "fast traffic"? 40 mph isn't "too fast" for commercial areas, but dog slow for highways. Luckily, there is a name for a faster street with more capacity, they call them "avenues". Novel concept!

>>1710829
"A combination I don't like" isn't a reason why it's bad. Take mixed-use zoning, for instance, you could argue "well, it doesn't have enough parking and accessibility for a typical commercial business, and residents have to deal with the same accessibility problems as well as problems related to delivery, etc....blah, blah, blah, mixed-use zoning is BAD and we shouldn't have it" but mixed-use zoning is worshipped and accepted as the "default" in these circles, despite its hybridized approach with disadvantages in both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 20:04:46 No.1710853 Report

Quoted By: >>1710860

>>1710845
With mixed use zoning, commercial and residential are not fundamentally opposed, and your city should be designed primarily for walking instead of driving, so parking should be in limited areas, and you walk to where you want. However, driveway and lot access are fundamentally opposed to through fair. It cannot work because the ideas are opposite: stopping and a place and going by a place.

>>1710844
Well, using the words “road” and “street” to describe the two different concepts (a stop and use pavement vs a travel by pavement) is useful. Calling a crap combination of the two something else is useful in text. The combination word gets the point across fastest. You could say something like “Avenue”, but that is not as good at getting the point across that it’s a combination of different concepts and design philosophies. You could say “shitty road slowed down by parking and driveways” or “shitty uncrossable and excessively big street”. Though that is biasing towards a purpose, while saying “stroad” gets across the point that this is a combination of the two, and should be redesigned to pick which use you want it to be: business and residential use, or a throughfare taking you to the next town or access street a significant distance away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 20:16:34 No.1710860 Report

Quoted By: >>1710865 >>1710900 >>1711184 >>1711362

>>1710853
>while saying “stroad” gets across the point that this is a combination of the two
It just further muddies the issue to regular people. Imo it's better to say what the problem with a particular thoroughfare really is (such as too many driveways for commercial spaces, too much traffic in a residential area, etc.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 20:24:52 No.1710865 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710860
A meme word might help it stick in people’s heads so they know to look out for it. But are we in agreement that whatever it’s called, it’s poor design?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 20:56:52 No.1710880 Report

Quoted By: >>1711032 >>1711041

>>1710506
If true, that would suggest that freeways and mass motorization do not scale and are not a mobility solution for major urban areas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 22:11:40 No.1710900 Report

Quoted By: >>1710905

>>1710860
Can’t believe you’re so hung up on semantics you won’t even argue a position on the underlying point. In fact, it feels to me like you don’t have any strong opinions on the issue. Why are you here? Are you just collecting (You)s?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Sep 2021 22:27:32 No.1710905 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710900
Okay

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 01:14:17 No.1710934 Report

Quoted By:

Japan is much better. They don't waste space on bicycles. Yet still have walkable zoning, excellent mass transit, and decent enough to drive around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 06:05:33 No.1711031 Report

Quoted By: >>1711347

>>1708047
In 1885 all three areas were either villages or rice fields.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 06:07:28 No.1711032 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710880
>freeways and mass motorization do not scale
The most anti-american statement ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 06:26:15 No.1711041 Report

Quoted By: >>1711046 >>1711262

>>1710880
They don't really "scale up" because cities are full of people, not models full of numbers. As a result, once a city reaches critical mass you can't really build your way out of it. In the long run, freeways are going to be the best "solution" when it comes to a fairly cost effective way of transporting people and goods across the city. This is why Los Angeles has the worst traffic in the U.S.A., but ranks around 30 worldwide, well below other cities (both European cities and South American shitholes) that have "better" transit options.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 06:36:07 No.1711046 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711041
>because cities are full of people
Giga americope.
Dharavi in Mumbai is really full of people, not an average US suburban cattle farm.

>freeways are going to be the best "solution" when it comes to a fairly cost effective way of transporting people and goods across the city
Source: my ass

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Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 09:30:47 No.1711083 Report

Quoted By: >>1711244

>>1708825
>reduces chance for hobo encampment to build underneath
but now you get scum throwing rocks or logs on the highway.

happens sometimes in Germany from bicycle bridges over the autobahn.
I am legit worried if there's someone just standing up there as i approach the bridge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 14:31:51 No.1711184 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710860
>It just further muddies the issue to regular people
they can learn

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 17:14:52 No.1711244 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711083
Actually, if you look at the picture, pedestrians aren't near the edge of the freeway, they're buffered by the turnaround lane, and avoids the intimidation of "on my side there's nothing but a chainlink fence separating me from my death" problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 17:51:49 No.1711262 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711041
>They don't really "scale up" because cities are full of people, not models full of numbers.
What if you count the people? Then you have a number. Count their cars, you have another number. If cars per person is over some number, then adding people increases highway usage faster than highways can be added.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 21:08:32 No.1711342 Report

Quoted By: >>1711349 >>1711375 >>1711918 >>1711925 >>1711953 >>1712102

Jesus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 21:17:10 No.1711347 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711031
So?
>>1710718
That's not an argument against sprawl being undesirable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 21:19:56 No.1711349 Report

Quoted By: >>1711359

>>1711342
A bunch of slums got torn down, so what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 22:16:55 No.1711359 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711349
Omg shut the fuck up

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 22:35:24 No.1711362 Report

Quoted By: >>1711367

>>1710860
I'm not that anon, my first post in the thread:
If you have to spell out the whole definition of a common problem every time you talk about it, it makes your discussion long and unwieldy.
If I want to discuss the problem of "roads that have multiple wide straight lanes, as well as frequent driveways into business and residences, often flanked by large parking lots", I don't want to have to write that whole thing in every sentence. I want shorthand for that, so that I can say something brief and intelligible.
This is DEFINITELY a style of road in the USA, and it's not a fuzzy concept either. There are some grey areas, but there are also unmistakable examples and a consistent design philosophy. So it makes sense to have a word to describe this concept.

Even if you don't think there's enough of a distinction between road types in the USA to warrant official categories, it's still useful to have a word to describe that set of characteristics. Not every object has to perfectly follow a set of characteristics for you to want a word to refer to that set of characteristics.

There was no word for this concept so a word was chosen. I'm sorry you don't like the word chosen, but unfortunately for you enough other people want to discuss that topic and a word was chosen. That word was stroad.

I hope you can accept this unfortunate state of being we're in. The word goes away as soon as we have better streets and better roads, so I hope to see you at the polls voting for transit-focused candidates so we can put the ugly mess behind us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 22:55:44 No.1711367 Report

Quoted By: >>1711639

>>1711362
>If you have to spell out the whole definition of a common problem every time you talk about it, it makes your discussion long and unwieldy.
"Traffic is too fast/heavy for the area" or "there are too many driveways/turning traffic" resonate with people more than "it's a stroad" because the former are simple ideas that everyone knows and the latter is a buzzword from a blog than 99% of people haven't heard.

>and it's not a fuzzy concept either.
Yes it is.

>I'm sorry you don't like the word chosen
Being passive aggressive is so weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 23:10:23 No.1711374 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707605
Poundbury is deeply based. Stuff like that is the future of development, fuck modernism

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Sep 2021 23:19:56 No.1711375 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711342
Wonder if we can find any pics from the other side of the street.

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Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 13:21:59 No.1711572 Report

Quoted By: >>1712405

Retvrn to tradition my dudes

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 13:56:09 No.1711583 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708142
Finally some good fucking economics in this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 14:33:16 No.1711589 Report

Quoted By:

>>1708221
Birth rates aren't above replacement rates but internal migration from economically declining areas to economically robust ones will still cause cities to gain in population even without net immigration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 14:36:06 No.1711591 Report

Quoted By: >>1711592

>>1708330
>Cloverleafs aren't very pedestrian friendly at all
Why the fuck does a highway need to be pedestrian friendly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 14:38:40 No.1711592 Report

Quoted By: >>1711610

>>1711591
The highway doesn’t eat. The lower capacity road that people are entering the highway from or exiting the highway to does need to be pedestrian friendly. We’re not talking about highway to highway interchange.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:12:50 No.1711598 Report

Quoted By:

>>1709897
I'm basically trying to get my city councilor to do something like this in the residential parts of town. Too many cagers use my street as a cut-through and barrel down the street way too quickly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:13:45 No.1711599 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710035
>everyone in their car is delivering food to stores

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Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:13:50 No.1711600 Report

Quoted By:

>>1710180
Define a "local". Aren't people who move to a city now "locals", or are you going to choose some retarded arbitrary time limit where you're considered to be a non-local?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:18:08 No.1711604 Report

Quoted By: >>1711607 >>1711609 >>1711619 >>1711620 >>1712002

What does /UPG/ think about housing affordability requirements? I think they’re actually counterproductive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:24:19 No.1711607 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711604
Definitely, they totally hurt margins.

Not Your Dad REEEEE !!OS7PxlLkFR/

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Not Your Dad REEEEE !!OS7PxlLkFR/ Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:28:33 No.1711609 Report

Quoted By: >>1712100

>>1711604
>ancap YIMBY doesn't like rules that don't accelerate the slide to techno-feudalism

Shocking, let me guess your solution to the housing crisis is to put Elon Musk in charge of the FHA and have SpaceX/Tesla develop a privately run AI system for home loan approval that would pick the best proxy for race that SCOTUS would consider to be consistent with the 14th amendment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:29:18 No.1711610 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711592
Oh that's my bad, I misunderstood. My apologies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:54:23 No.1711619 Report

Quoted By: >>1711629

>>1711604
Absent large scale upzoning and massive levels of housing construction, they're probably the best that renters can hope for. It lowers margins but so does not building in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 15:55:48 No.1711620 Report

Quoted By: >>1711630

>>1711604
They’re stupid because I’ve seen many affordable units that require you to make over $110k so it defeats the point. It would be much better to regulate construction quality, design, environmental friendliness of the buildings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 16:16:47 No.1711623 Report

Quoted By:

planned some urbans today lads

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 16:37:19 No.1711629 Report

Quoted By: >>1711640

>>1711619
I don’t have a problem with 20% affordability requirements but in the major cities people just demand like 45% in order to get a project blocked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 16:38:49 No.1711630 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711620
My brother makes over 100k and he lives in an affordable housing unit in downtown Brooklyn. It’s stupid cause he’s every bit the gentrifier but he qualifies for affordable housing in a luxury building.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 17:25:42 No.1711639 Report

Quoted By: >>1711643

>>1711367
But it's not just a road that's too fast, or has too many driveways. Either on its own is fine. It's specifically the combination of speed and driveways.
We want to discuss that trend, and not just specific roads either. We need a general term for the general concept. "High speed, high density" could work but that's 4 words instead of 1.

As for the obscurity of the term... This is an urban planning thread, not a thread for laymen, so what the layman understands is not my problem. Besides, the layman can go watch a YouTube video and understand the concept in about 30 seconds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 17:27:55 No.1711640 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711629
45% is definitely excessive. I think 20% is good and honestly you might be able to get to 25% or even 30% with largely no change in development.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 17:33:45 No.1711643 Report

Quoted By: >>1711662 >>1711873

>>1711639
>It's specifically the combination of speed and driveways.
In other words you have a problem with almost every road, so you need a way to demonize it, hence "stroad."

>so what the layman understands is not my problem
Good luck ever having any public support with that attitude

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 18:32:28 No.1711662 Report

Quoted By: >>1711666

>>1711643
>In other words you have a problem with almost every road, so you need a way to demonize it, hence "stroad."
your ability to misconstrue anyone's argument is astounding

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 18:47:04 No.1711666 Report

Quoted By: >>1711716

>>1711662
Like "smart growth," stroad is a term that can mean almost anything to anyone, so identifying the actual problems with any particular thoroughfare is more useful to rectifying them than dreaming up a nebulous term that most people are unfamiliar with

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 20:38:19 No.1711716 Report

Quoted By: >>1711721

>>1711666
>stroad is a term that can mean almost anything to anyone
proof?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 20:54:23 No.1711721 Report

Quoted By: >>1711726

>>1711716
It has been defined different ways itt and others

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 20:59:40 No.1711726 Report

Quoted By: >>1711727

>>1711721
>words can't have more than one meaning
interesting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 21:03:32 No.1711727 Report

Quoted By: >>1711728

>>1711726
Having more than one meaning just muddies the issue(s) at hand, especially when we've gotten this far without the need for nebulous buzzwords like "stroad."

Face it, the word was invented for one reason, a new way to seethe about cars online.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 21:05:09 No.1711728 Report

Quoted By: >>1711734

>>1711727
it's weird how upset you get over a simple word
i'd suggest taking a break from the internet
or at least /n/
we can have some nice threads without your seething for once.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 21:15:16 No.1711734 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711728
>you're mad!
Cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 21:43:46 No.1711743 Report

Quoted By: >>1711747

>>1707619
You sound like you envy people that are more successful than you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 21:46:03 No.1711747 Report

Quoted By: >>1712012

>>1711743
I think he has a point. All of the master planned "new urbanism"-type communities look completely plastic

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 23:19:51 No.1711777 Report

Quoted By: >>1711790

When you build your city around cars, you get the worst traffic in the world.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 23 Sep 2021 23:52:03 No.1711790 Report

Quoted By: >>1711795

>>1711777
>when commie /n/imbies are in chagre

>owing cities face extreme population growth but have underdeveloped infrastructure. Bogotá, Colombia, topped this year's list of the most traffic-congested cities, with drivers on average losing about 191 hours – nearly eight days – each year in congestion. Five of the 10 cities with the worst traffic congestion are in Latin America, the report found.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 00:02:06 No.1711795 Report

Quoted By: >>1711797

>>1711790
neither Bogota nor Colombia are run by communists

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 00:09:04 No.1711797 Report

Quoted By: >>1711861

>>1711795
typical left wing
>gibs gibs more gibs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 02:59:45 No.1711861 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711797
>posts budget of a conservative budget
>calls it left wing
I'd love to run my fingers over your smooth brain.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 03:37:45 No.1711870 Report

Quoted By: >>1711907

2003 VS today

We’re slowly getting better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 03:58:13 No.1711873 Report

Quoted By: >>1711954

>>1711643
>In other words you have a problem with almost every road, so you need a way to demonize it, hence "stroad."
Only if almost every road has high speeds with lots of driveways. If they do then yes, I hate them. But they don't. So you're just strawmanning.

You're correct that using stroad won't win over the public, but this thread is not a campaign.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 05:56:46 No.1711900 Report

Quoted By: >>1711997

Is this the "walkability" urbanists push for?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 06:01:18 No.1711901 Report

Quoted By:

1711900 (You)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 07:18:36 No.1711907 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711870
>slowly getting better
Higher resolution, at least.

I found out the other day that when my city cleans up some kind of industrial waste, usually from decades past, they ship all of the material to 'Detroit'. I had a giggle at first, as if the only use for the place was storing toxic waste.

But I looked it up and 1) really it's closer to Ann Arbor, and 2) the facility has more advanced technology than anything in my state (the proper means of deactivating/storing/processing the stuff).

But it'll be a long while before Detroit stops being the butt of the joke.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 08:38:06 No.1711918 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711342
Unfortunately Cincinnati is top of that shit heap. Pic related.
The wildest thing is they had an electric streetcar system--222 miles of track, integrated with several inclines/funiculars--closed in 1951, then dismantled.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 09:12:53 No.1711925 Report

Quoted By: >>1711952 >>1711974

>>1711342
What happened in Detroit is shameful.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 09:14:58 No.1711926 Report

Quoted By:

Cincinnati is pretty startling too.
They also had an electric streetcar system--222 miles of track, integrated with several inclines/funiculars--closed in 1951, then dismantled.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 11:28:20 No.1711952 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711925
Anti-catholic war in US, illustrated.

Captain Slog

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Captain Slog Fri 24 Sep 2021 11:33:14 No.1711953 Report

Quoted By: >>1711967 >>1712278

>>1711342
Running a motorway through the middle of a city is definitely not confined to America.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 11:41:43 No.1711954 Report

Quoted By: >>1712016

>>1711873
>So you're just strawmanning.
Hardly

>You're correct that using stroad won't win over the public, but this thread is not a campaign.
Correct, your point of view will only be important to fringe types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 12:30:26 No.1711967 Report

Quoted By: >>1711969

>>1711953
>Picks the only example of it in the UK
>Widely regarded as a bad decision
>Not repeated since

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 12:32:49 No.1711969 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711967
You missed his point

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 13:06:22 No.1711974 Report

Quoted By: >>1711982

>>1711925
Yeah the stupid thing is people thought it would be good for the city’s economy to widen the roads and bulldoze the historic buildings to make parking lots. Turns out it was the exact opposite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 13:38:09 No.1711982 Report

Quoted By: >>1712099

>>1711974
If that was true, how do you explain all the cities that have thrived since the construction of their expressways?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 13:41:20 No.1711983 Report

Quoted By: >>1711984 >>1711996

Slowly Americans are figuring out how to improve their cities. Asphalt wastelands aren’t inviting places.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 13:42:54 No.1711984 Report

Quoted By: >>1712103

>>1711983
How do you explain the continued growth of cities when taking interstates and expressways into consideration? It appears that, if anything, they enabled their sustained growth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 13:56:28 No.1711996 Report

Quoted By: >>1712079

>>1711983
Implying that large-scale development projects are significantly better than asphalt fileds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 14:03:04 No.1711997 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711900
Bet he still logged on to /n/ that night to bitch about cagers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 14:26:32 No.1712002 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711604
just make the government build houses

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 14:59:28 No.1712012 Report

Quoted By: >>1712013

>>1711747
True, but they don't look as plastic as modern suburbs. So its an improvement, a step in the right direction at least

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 15:05:12 No.1712013 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712012
>but they don't look as plastic as modern suburbs.
They look more plastic than modern subdivisions. No one's expecting the authenticity of a quaint little downtown when they drive into one, but that's what master planned cities try and fail to do.

>So its an improvement
This is just my experience so it might be wrong, but they've been way more expensive than normal subdivisions, to the point where middle income buyers don't see enough value in them to live there or can't afford them outright.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 15:13:35 No.1712016 Report

Quoted By: >>1712029 >>1712031

>>1711954
>Hardly
You told me my opinion for me, except you were incorrect. Your projected opinion was an absurd one, thus a strawman.

>Correct, your point of view will only be important to fringe types.
Musicians should never refer to musical modes, because most listeners don't even know what a major key is.
Investors should never refer to collateralized debt obligations, because the layman doesn't even understand stocks.
Scientists need to stop using Latin names and call everything with their colloquial names, because people will think every crocodilia is a crocodile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 15:47:24 No.1712029 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712016
>You told me my opinion for me, except you were incorrect. Your projected opinion was an absurd one, thus a strawman.
I didn't desu.

>Musicians should never refer to musical modes, because most listeners don't even know what a major key is.
Investors should never refer to collateralized debt obligations, because the layman doesn't even understand stocks.
Scientists need to stop using Latin names and call everything with their colloquial names, because people will think every crocodilia is a crocodile.
Now all of these are legit straw man arguments

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 15:48:40 No.1712031 Report

Quoted By: >>1712148

>>1712016
>You told me my opinion for me, except you were incorrect. Your projected opinion was an absurd one, thus a strawman.
I didn't desu.

>Musicians should never refer to musical modes, because most listeners don't even know what a major key is.
>Investors should never refer to collateralized debt obligations, because the layman doesn't even understand stocks.
>Scientists need to stop using Latin names and call everything with their colloquial names, because people will think every crocodilia is a crocodile.
Now all of these are legit straw man arguments

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 17:20:34 No.1712077 Report

Quoted By: >>1712109

Gowanus upzoning going into effect. While this is more good than bad, I wonder why they’re so willing to upzone the affluent white neighborhood but it’s apparently evil to upzone bed stuy or neighborhoods further south.

https://www.planetizen.com/news/2021/09/114752-gowanus-rezoning-clears-new-yorks-city-planning-commission

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 17:25:00 No.1712079 Report

Quoted By: >>1712084 >>1712090 >>1712121 >>1712933

>>1711996
Yep, those developments are significantly better than asphalt wastelands.
Also lol’d at “fields” of asphalt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 17:51:52 No.1712084 Report

Quoted By: >>1712085

>>1712079
>Yep
Yep?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 17:53:07 No.1712085 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712084
Yeah

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:01:45 No.1712090 Report

Quoted By: >>1712094

>>1712079
That much asphalt in a flood-prone city like Houston is just asking for disaster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:20:43 No.1712094 Report

Quoted By: >>1712132

>>1712090
Elaborate for us, Wang

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:32:12 No.1712099 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711982
Population growth, primarily, along with the development of the high-tech sectors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:35:35 No.1712100 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711609
I agree I wish that would happen.
You sound like a commie negro.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:36:36 No.1712102 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711342
black people ruined detroit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:37:16 No.1712103 Report

Quoted By: >>1712104 >>1712106

>>1711984
>It appears that, if anything, they enabled their sustained growth.
Not sure you can conclude that. To even begin to look into that you would have to find comparable cities where some did build urban highways and while others didn't. "Comparable" is what makes it difficult here: you have to make sure that the difference in city trajectory (if any) can't be easily explained by, for example, loss of industry due to offshoring, or stagnation from cuts to some major regional employer (for example, a university), or even just different population growth rates.

I'm sure that we can go back and forth all day cherry picking cities which built highways and thrived, or those that didn't build highways and thrived, etc. We'd just get nowhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:38:32 No.1712104 Report

Quoted By: >>1712106

>>1712103
>comparable cities where some did build urban highways and while others didn't
What cities don't have urban highways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:39:50 No.1712106 Report

Quoted By: >>1712118

>>1712104
>>1712103
>comparable cities where some did build urban highways and while others didn't
What cities don't have urban highways? Keep in mind I was specifically talking about the US.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:41:45 No.1712109 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712077
>the affluent white neighborhood
You just answered the question yourself.

While they should be upzoning all of those neighbourhoods, the people on the council are convinced of this (blatantly false) theory that upzoning poorer or less white neighbourhoods leads to "gentrification" which is bad for reasons that often are incomplete or circular logic. Of course, the reality is that "gentrification" doesn't really mean anything and what they're actually concerned about is displacement, but the empirical evidence shows that the upzoning of a low-density area, even if it's poor, leads to less displacement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 18:57:31 No.1712118 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712106
In the US, Washington, D.C. is probably the most major one with minimal urban highways (it's just basically got the 395/695 running through the southern part of the core), Manhattan itself doesn't really have any highways other than FDR Drive and the I-95 running through Washington Heights.

Outside the US but still nearby you have cities like Montreal and Vancouver.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 19:01:39 No.1712121 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712079
Daily reminder that those parking lots were created because a lot of that was torn out for a large-scale development that never actually happened. Not that's especially easy to find, much less for a large contingent of this site that just regurgitates blog and YouTube talking points instead of thinking for themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 19:53:18 No.1712132 Report

Quoted By: >>1712418 >>1712872 >>1713149

>>1712094
Not him, but roads and parking lots are impervious surfaces which increases water runoff during heavy rains and so can lead to catastrophic flash floods.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1257665/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 24 Sep 2021 20:50:31 No.1712148 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712031
Well I think we're at the point of the conversation where we've both made our points and we're just going to argue passed each other... It's been fun my friend but even the best debates must end ;__;7

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Sep 2021 04:37:46 No.1712245 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707932
You know nothing about Japan or Korea

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 25 Sep 2021 06:25:27 No.1712278 Report

Quoted By:

>>1711953
The only difference being only north america decided to double down instead of fixing their stupid decisions, believing that if you keep digging it might magically work.

I remember plans were made to build a highway cutting through Paris on the north-south axis in the 60's.. thank god we managed to avoid that. (For the clueless frenchmen out there, search: Paris autoroute axe nord-sud)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Sep 2021 13:18:07 No.1712405 Report

Quoted By: >>1712870 >>1712871 >>1712873 >>1713335

>>1711572
preach
(entire street was built in the early 2000's)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 25 Sep 2021 14:03:47 No.1712418 Report

Quoted By: >>1712877

>>1712132
Permeable paving seems like such a simple quality of life improvement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 17:42:17 No.1712870 Report

Quoted By: >>1713265

>>1712405
That's awesome. Where is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 17:43:49 No.1712871 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712405
Nice stucco

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 17:44:16 No.1712872 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712132
That's why Houston is home to the most catastrophic of floods.
At one point FEMA had to decide which neighborhoods to let flood.
A lot of homeowners in those cookie-cutter suburban neighborhoods had no idea they were buying in a major flood zone.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/22/us/houston-harvey-flooding-reservoir.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 17:44:24 No.1712873 Report

Quoted By: >>1712874 >>1713265

>>1712405
Needs more weathering, right now it still looks like Disneyland.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 17:47:22 No.1712874 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712873
In my experience Americans will commonly say europe looks like disneyland because they don't realize disneyland was actually based on european castles and Americans are only used to seeing an imitation of the real thing.
Good construction job anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 17:48:45 No.1712877 Report

Quoted By: >>1712890 >>1712896

>>1712418
Hope you enjoy mowing the...parking lot.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 18:12:28 No.1712890 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712877
I was told that was what all the mexicans were for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 18:31:08 No.1712896 Report

Quoted By: >>1712901

>>1712877
Americans have retarded amounts of mowed surfaces anyway, what difference are a few permeable parking lots going to make?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 18:43:37 No.1712901 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712896
Americans have retarded amounts of parking anyway. Better that the land gets used for something more useful than parking. That way you don't have to worry about flooding or the expense of re-paving and continually maintaining a parking lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 19:50:51 No.1712933 Report

Quoted By: >>1713015

>>1712079
Houston got rid of parking minimums in a few downtown neighborhoods but they need to keep it going for the rest of the city.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 26 Sep 2021 21:53:21 No.1713015 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712933
Great info as always, Wang.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Sep 2021 01:33:22 No.1713149 Report

Quoted By:

>>1712132
When I lived in TX, my water bill factored in how much rain there had been the past month, and the square footage of my property that was permeable. A higher amount of impermeable surfaces (includes house footprint, driveway, etc) meant a higher city water bill, since they had to deal with the stormwater runoff.
No idea if the rates were the same for commercial, parking lots, etc.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 27 Sep 2021 09:48:55 No.1713265 Report

Quoted By: >>1713322 >>1713335 >>1713528

>>1712870
Le plessis robinson, it's a Parisian suburb that served as a testbed for modernist crap in the 30s and 50s then a new mayor arrived and decided to use traditional methods and architecture to redevelop the city. "le intellectual starchitect" absolutely hate it but even then, it's been praised as a model for redevelopment.

>>1712873
it's been built less than 15 years ago. It's basically the same as any recently refurbished hausmannian buildings.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 27 Sep 2021 13:20:52 No.1713322 Report

Quoted By: >>1713519

>>1713265
Damn, very authentic.
We have some new traditional stuff going up in NYC, seems to be popular in Manhattan lately. I'm glad, I hate the starchitect buildings covered in glass.
When I walk the High Line there's a bunch of glass shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Sep 2021 14:08:11 No.1713335 Report

Quoted By: >>1713341 >>1713602

>>1712405
>>1713265
Looks completely plastic

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 27 Sep 2021 14:27:09 No.1713341 Report

Quoted By:

>>1713335
Not at all.
Wonder why cagetrolls hate traditional architecture so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Sep 2021 01:03:10 No.1713519 Report

Quoted By: >>1714413

>>1713322
That Zaha Hadid condo building along the High Line is one of the ugliest pieces of shit I've ever seen. God I fucking hate that firm so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 28 Sep 2021 01:18:31 No.1713528 Report

Quoted By: >>1713602

>>1713265
You can tell they didn't use masonry on the exterior, probably stucco. A nice attempt at authenticity but the end result looks too new.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 28 Sep 2021 07:51:47 No.1713602 Report

Quoted By: >>1714413

>>1713528
>but the end result looks too new.
Because it is? How do you think haussmann's building looked like when they were first built?

>>1713335
t. never been to Paris.

in any case, this is better than the previous state of the town aka pic related or whatever's being built in my suburb right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Sep 2021 04:30:54 No.1714413 Report

Quoted By:

>>1713519
Yeah I seriously hate that one. You can see straight into the living rooms. Like why the fuck would someone pay millions of dollars for a condo that every tourist to NYC can see into

>>1713602
Just ignore them, cagetrolls hate anything traditional for some reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Sep 2021 11:17:25 No.1714516 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707619
tripfags not welcome

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Sep 2021 11:22:10 No.1714518 Report

Quoted By: >>1714723

>>1709842
>>1710037
>More people =/= more cars
If you americans stopped being afraid of public transport this wouldn't happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Sep 2021 21:21:06 No.1714723 Report

Quoted By:

>>1714518
>If you americans
Rent free

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Oct 2021 02:22:32 No.1715200 Report

Quoted By:

>>1707601
I'm replying to you and not half the thread, but I think part of the problem lies in the fact that more people are moving to coastal cities vs landlocked cities for a variety of reasons, and planners didn't anticipate this and have no idea how to "correctly" manage it, as this board might say. I was listening to an episode of the Urban Warfare Project podcast, and the host stated that within the past 15 years or so, the population around the Mediterranean Sea has doubled.

Yea you still have your smaller towns and villages, and there are plenty of places in the US where you can live the /n/ dream of being 15min from 16 stores, 12 doctors, and 3 payday loan shacks, but urban sprawl will continue to be an issue in the future as more people flee the countryside. Ultimately, that's fine with me, as urbanites get what they deserve and that's less people I'll deal with, but that's neither here nor there.

>>1707761
>>1707790
Coof-spazzes killed malls more than they already were being killed. The days of early 2000s hits being played over the shit speakers as old people walked the mall and the fat security guard chased out the high schoolers is gone. Sad, as some of my favorite memories from childhood were counting the tiles or screwing around while my dad walked his laps at the mall. I think brick and mortar will see a sharp decline in the next few years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Oct 2021 15:22:43 No.1716122 Report

Quoted By: >>1716180

>>1707601
God damn I just want this thread to die already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Oct 2021 18:21:22 No.1716180 Report

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>>1716122
Why?

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