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Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2022 16:50:55 No.1808833 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1808891 >>1809033 >>1810198 >>1810207 >>1811488 >>1811501 >>1811523

>Transportation Planning in 1800s: "Yeah let's just build this impossible tunnel because we can"
>Transportation Planning today: "We can't just build subways because it might make some guy in another part of the city/region feel kinda sad"

Why is it like this? Why has our vision been shortened?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2022 16:56:02 No.1808837 Report

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One part is a greater emphasis on worker safety, passenger safety and environmental damage, and it was about damn time.

The other part is neoliberalconservative political lobbying with the goal of obstruction because every new development or paradigm shift threatens some big corporation's cushy safe income.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2022 18:50:59 No.1808880 Report

Quoted By: >>1809033

Read a book written in the 1800s versus a book written today. It's pretty clear we, as a society, have lost about 20 IQ points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2022 19:03:18 No.1808891 Report

Quoted By: >>1808917 >>1808922

>>1808833
half the plans back then failed spectacularly and killed lots of people. we learned from that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2022 20:20:09 No.1808915 Report

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Because manpower is expensive, but materials cheap.
While back then, it was the opposite.

It essentially comes down to a lack of will to invest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2022 20:34:40 No.1808917 Report

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>>1808891
pssh pussies

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2022 20:39:54 No.1808922 Report

Quoted By: >>1808976 >>1809036

>>1808891
40,000 people in the US are killed in car crashes every year. clearly we haven't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 07 Jun 2022 23:26:53 No.1808976 Report

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>>1808922
This has nothing to do with construction

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2022 00:50:49 No.1808988 Report

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>>1808976
the point is "saving lives" is not the reason innovation has halted

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2022 02:17:43 No.1809033 Report

Quoted By: >>1809048 >>1809051 >>1809053 >>1811473

>>1808833
>500 foot tall ventilation tower starting above the water surface down through a big hole drilled through the sea floor to an underground tunnel that people walk through
>made out of fucking wood, judging by the drawing
Sounds like the 21st century is just better at stopping the idiotic schizo ideas before they see the light of day.

>>1808880
No, we just have better things to do than jerk off over a thesaurus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2022 02:19:28 No.1809036 Report

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>>1808922
>>1808988
Innovation has 'halted' in transportation because cars are the best thing going until someone makes Star Trek transporters a reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2022 03:01:55 No.1809048 Report

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>>1809033
thread/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2022 03:06:29 No.1809051 Report

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>>1809033
I'm sure they would have used big fuckin iron bars, trapezoidal cross section. Olde timey Englishmen were clever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 08 Jun 2022 03:07:43 No.1809053 Report

Quoted By: >>1809942 >>1811475 >>1811477

>>1809033
I'm sure they would have used big fuckin iron bars, trapezoidal cross section. Arranged so the pressure of the water forced them together tighter.
Olde timey Englishmen were clever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jun 2022 03:01:09 No.1809942 Report

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>>1809053
It wouldn't have worked. That drawing was made in the very early 1800s. At that time, there was no dynamite, so all work would have to be done by hand. There was also no way of knowing what the soil was underneath, surveying wouldn't be done for another 50 years, if the ground was mushy and soggy (luckily it was harder chalk), it would've been impossible, and if you make one mistake by puncturing the "roof", then game over.

About this time, a company intended to build under the Thames River and failed because the ground WAS mushy and it did flood, leading to the belief that tunnels underground were impractical.

The Thames Tunnel, the first modern tunnel to be built, required the tunneling shield to be invented just to be possible, and even then it took 20 years to be built...but not with the assistance of the government, at its credit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jun 2022 20:21:10 No.1810198 Report

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>>1808833
Today you can't dig subways because the ground under a lot of major cities is already full of tunnels and shit build carelessly in the 1800s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Jun 2022 20:52:14 No.1810207 Report

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>>1808833
the first part is safety and environmental impact, the second part is people seeing such projects as too expensive and not a good investment for public funds, since public transit's total benefit cant be measured like a company's profits or market cap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 13:52:10 No.1811418 Report

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>>1810198
>just don't build anything because somebody might need to build something different there 200 years from now

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 16:21:14 No.1811473 Report

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>>1809033
>500 foot tall ventilation tower
Just curious: what do you think is the deepest point of the Channel Tunnel?
And NO you cannot use your cheatsheet with metric-imperial conversion factors.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 16:23:11 No.1811475 Report

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>>1809053
Largely a good guess--dovetails are essentially trapezoids. Pic is a model showing the foundation stones for a very famous English lighthouse, finished in 1759.

>>1809942
Thanks for midwit armchair analysis, but the vertical shaft that the other poster mentioned was absolutely within reach, given that all of these things A) existed, B) were suitable, and C) were manufactured/available in England (where their modern forms were refined):
hydraulic cements
positive displacement pumps (esp. plunger pumps)
steam engines (Watt-era atmospherics)

>surveying wouldn't be done for another 50 years
Or "37 years", but just round up to 50.
Perhaps you should read a fuckin book sometime?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 16:24:57 No.1811477 Report

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 16:27:23 No.1811478 Report

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>>1811477
And before someone says "but you could never make it *truly* waterproof".
Remind me, what's that metal, famously malleable & waterproof, used for roofs that last hundreds of years, or even water pipes (if you're feeling lucky)?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 17:07:20 No.1811488 Report

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>>1808833
A HECKIN CASTLEVANIA LEVELRINO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 17:41:51 No.1811501 Report

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>>1808833
Read Evola and all will become clear, as IQ's plummet and civilization crumbles the confidence and swagger of the golden age vanish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 18:16:51 No.1811521 Report

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>>1811418
>>1810198
Surely we are capable building there from technology standpoint, even if it is complex.
But muh historical value, priceless unexplored tunnels and catacombs would be destroyed in the process!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 18:30:29 No.1811523 Report

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>>1808833
> genuinely looks like a Castlevania level

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 13 Jun 2022 19:03:24 No.1811554 Report

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