>>1836840>My point was there's so much stuff that *was* manual like spark advance, choke being electronically controlled by a black box nowSpark was never really directly controlled by the driver, it was set by a mechanic to a factory spec before EFI and after was set by the ECU and would only be changed by reprogramming the ECU (like changing it mechanically before) or if knock is detected. Really, you only get an emergency "timing pull" if the knock sensor detects knock now, I don't think anyone complains about that.
Choke is another thing that nobody really misses as it was annoying. All of these things aren't really throttle related, the throttle just opens the throttle plate to let more air in, which used to create suction to pull fuel from a carb but now instructs the injectors how much fuel to inject by detecting air flow with the mass air flow sensor. It is true there's a little less requirement on the driver as flooring it on a carbureted car would usually make it bog and you needed a smooth roll on to get optimal power, and some people do complain that there is too much lag in electronic throttle control (I'm one of them, I don't mind actuating the throttle plate as a percentage of my throttle input for a given optimal position, but I don't like waiting for a throttle input to be understood)
Aaaaanyway, the real value in manual is having more control over the vehicle. Technically, a dual clutch is faster/better for pure performance, the manual clutch manual still has an advantage of being able to skip shift, though, which makes it a little better for daily driving so you don't have to tap a paddle 6 times up and down constantly and instead can just shift 1-2-4-6 or whatever you feel like based on your situation. All of that said, in performance driving a mis-shift can blow your engine if you accidentally downshift instead of upshifting, so it kind of adds a buttpucker factor.
>thanks, didn't know that.most people don't.
