I think once you go esi grips you can never go back. I have the extra chunky they are so... perfect. Comfy, dont move, symmetrical. Also its not true they deteriorate easily. I trashed them for a couple years sun, rain , dirt with my greasy hands and they are still perfect. Still the hole that my idiot father made with a screwdriver a couple years ago is getting bigger and I am planning to change them. I dont wanna spend 25 euros though guys. Is there really no alternative as I am convinced to these perfections? Even cheap chink or euro copies of these marvels dont come even near them