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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:41:56 No.1871314 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1871345 >>1871349 >>1871355 >>1871477

If the United States were to have hypothetically turned socialist/communist, would the rise of the automobile continued to suffocate railroads or would they work in tandem with each other.
Also look at this hypothetically GG1 in communist colors c:

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 08:59:12 No.1871316 Report

Quoted By: >>1871327

the political and social upheavals that would be needed for this make it too hard to give a serious, non-shitpost answer, op.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:12:39 No.1871319 Report

Quoted By: >>1871350

The only way rail could possibly have worked in America is if commercial aviation never existed or was completely banned.
Taking a plane is both faster and cheaper than a train in 99% of cases, long distance passenger rail is an obsolete technology. There's absolutely no reason to take a train anywhere that's more than a few hundred miles away, and anything within a few hundred miles is an easy one-day drive anyways.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 09:26:05 No.1871327 Report

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>>1871316
fpbp

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:04:24 No.1871345 Report

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>>1871314
Turning communist/socialist would mean crackdown on private property and means of transportation. Communism/socialism depend on controllable public transportation. This is why public transportation is a slippery slope towards communism/socialism and must be abolished.

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Trybo Bike Tech !T2TiVG4UMA Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:12:32 No.1871349 Report

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>>1871314
>If the United States were to have hypothetically turned socialist/communist

If by socialist/communist you mean "centrally planned economy", then what would happen would be the same as what happened even in best of the communist countries. Automobiles would remain a luxury items and the gubment would invest in railroads where possible. Essentially - shorter distances -> rail, remote locations -> air. The inherent inefficiency of centrally planned economy simply precludes some options from existing.

If by "socialist/communist" you mean "government does what it is supposed to do" then nothing would change, as just about 99% of infrastructure in the US is a 'welfare' and 'communist' government built public access. Even airlines are heavily, indirectly subsidized.

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Trybo Bike Tech !T2TiVG4UMA Sat 26 Nov 2022 11:16:51 No.1871350 Report

Quoted By: >>1871495

>>1871319
>The only way rail could possibly have worked in America is if commercial aviation never existed or was completely banned.

Nope. It is 100% purely cultural thing. In the case of US, it is the Pepsi vs Coke divide. Even Europe's lack of long distance is - as there are too many railroad operators who simply don't want to cooperate with each other.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Nov 2022 12:26:41 No.1871355 Report

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>>1871314
>continued to suffocate railroads or would they work in tandem with each other.
No because communism doesnt work you retard.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2022 01:52:56 No.1871477 Report

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>>1871314
Automobiles were considered symbols of modernity and prosperity; the automotive industry itself had high, well-paying employment, and supported millions more jobs (including on the railroads).
The way would be open for more investment into the railroads (cost of/access to capital was a major problem for them), but the trend towards the auto-centric society would likely continue.
In the Comecon countries, the insufficiency of their economies was one of the larger factors behind why railroads/mass transit didn't diminish as they did in the advanced capitalist countries. They couldn't afford the motor society. Memes about trains being communist aside, there's nothing inherent to the ideology that forced that development.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2022 04:14:10 No.1871491 Report

Quoted By: >>1871502

It's hard to say, because the rise of the automobile was entirely dependent on government interference, regulation, and central planning.

America's car-dependency was never a result of consumer preference.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2022 04:29:51 No.1871495 Report

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>>1871350
>It is 100% purely cultural thing

I can fly from NYC to LA in six hours, but a train would have to be close to 300 mph (non-stop!) to do that even in ten hours

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2022 05:35:35 No.1871502 Report

Quoted By: >>1871505 >>1871507

>>1871491
>America's car-dependency was never a result of consumer preference
Developing to the extent where it was the be-all and end-all of land transport? Yes. But Americans took to the automobile with quite impressive speed and enthusiasm. Motorists' lobbies were already in existence before 1910; the automotive industry was already one of the largest in the country by the 1920s.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2022 06:08:48 No.1871505 Report

Quoted By: >>1871507

>>1871502
>Americans took to the automobile with quite impressive speed and enthusiasm.
Well it helped a lot that automobile companies purchased and dismantled most streetcars across the country. They also got a lot of new legislation/projects blitzed out in a short amount of time, federal highways, parking, etc. There was always a lot of opposition to them, but their opponents were relatively silenced because the state government's pockets were getting lined.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Nov 2022 06:22:14 No.1871507 Report

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>>1871502
>>1871505
The point I'm trying to make (in case you didnt catch it) is that if your streetcar is gone and you dont have a well developed passenger rail system (yet) then what is left for transit? The problem being that you need transit today, not in 5 years when a rail project can be completed. A vehicle can be immediately purchased and driven within a day. Autos got entrenched due to America being rural and undeveloped compared to Europe and companies got vehicles out incredibly quickly. Nothing about its rise is because Americans "liked them more", and we've just inherited the same system over the past 100 years.

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