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Anonymous Thu 11 May 2023 03:25:51 No.1910362 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1913147

Tell me train simulators, /n/. They're hideously expensive, but is the realism all in the cabs or do the routes have some realism to them as well? Like are the crossings the same?

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Anonymous Sat 20 May 2023 11:53:40 No.1912746 Report

Quoted By: >>1913078

are you talking about something used to train train drivers or computer programs for home entertainment?

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Anonymous Sat 20 May 2023 13:12:30 No.1912761 Report

Quoted By: >>1913113

I've seen a train simulator that they train drivers on, with the whole cab and everything. It's very similar (I guess, identical) to the actual train that they drive, down to all the breakers and alarm codes. But graphically speaking it was pretty bad, like PS2-tier. In that regard, your average train sim is superior.

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Anonymous Sat 20 May 2023 22:16:37 No.1913029 Report

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I don't play too many of them anymore, but there is one new one out called SimRail that attempts to be quite accurate.

>SimRail is new, advanced railway simulator. Master high-speed long-distance EMU, heavy freight hauls and suburban trains. Travel 500 km of geodetic-data based real routes. Become train dispatcher and control the traffic according to the schedule or cooperate with other players on multiplayer mode.

Haven't tried it myself, but yeah. Check it out if you want: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422130/SimRail__The_Railway_Simulator/

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Anonymous Sat 20 May 2023 23:43:55 No.1913078 Report

Quoted By: >>1913088 >>1913175

>>1912746
No, computer games. The DLC for train sims tends to be ridiculously expensive. The only way this makes sense is if it accurately models how the route would look, with the same scenery, curves, junctions, etc. in the right place. If it was a model of the Union Pacific railroad between Houston and Navasota, for instance, would it have all of the 60 or so at-grade railroad crossings in the 64-mile stretch of track? Operators would have to blow the horn for each and every one, and blowing a rail horn is the top 5 reasons why anyone would want to drive a train.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 00:32:36 No.1913088 Report

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>>1913078
This guy's insanely horny

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 01:48:57 No.1913092 Report

Quoted By: >>1913149 >>1913672

I feel like you could probably make a pretty decent train simulator for pretty cheap by just using IRL video footage at 120 fps and playing it back according to position rather than according to real time in the video. You could even randomize by splicing between different recordings of the same route, for variety.
Might get some oddities like cars on overpasses seeming to move super slowly because the train itself is moving slower than the original video, or the flashing lights at level crossings being the wrong pace, but the graphic quality of most of the experience would be unimpeachable.
And instead of spending months 3d modelling everything, you just pay a company to stick your cameras on a given train for a few months doing routes back-and-forth they were going to do anyways.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 03:30:21 No.1913113 Report

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>>1912761
> like PS2-tier
Sounds legit. The graphically rendered view out the window just needs to tell you generally what’s going on. You don’t need gorgeous ray-traced beams of sunlight filtering through the ruins of Detroit, you just need to see the signals or some stupid driver in need of a physics lesson and stuff. PS-2 is just fine for that.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 07:02:54 No.1913147 Report

Quoted By: >>1913195

>>1910362
Run8
Best Physics
Routes are 85-95% accurate

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 07:12:49 No.1913149 Report

Quoted By: >>1913150

>>1913092
Didn't some of those old Japanese train sims for Playstation 2 work like this?

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 07:16:12 No.1913150 Report

Quoted By: >>1913195

>>1913149
https://youtu.be/upi8RjCKlJc

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 10:19:17 No.1913175 Report

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>>1913078
>The only way this makes sense is if it accurately models how the route would look, with the same scenery, curves, junctions, etc. in the right place.
yeah they tend to do that
i mean obviously stuff like buildings are mostly generic assets, but they try

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 11:15:20 No.1913195 Report

Quoted By: >>1913200 >>1913308 >>1913669

>>1913147
>>1913150
Yeah, see, that looks great even heavily compressed on Youtube right now.
It would look even better done today with 4k video output (record in 5k though, for more pixels to work with) and processed with AI to detect things like signals along the route and allow the the game to manipulate that part of the video.
The main constraint would probably be storage space for the footage. But with games-as-a-service you could stream the footage to the client. And graphics cards are already doing AI-upscaling with built-in hardware. It would be trivial to train an upscaling model off the original footage in 5k.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 11:31:06 No.1913200 Report

Quoted By: >>1913314 >>1913669

>>1913195
they still make them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjWfLKps3dY
but they haven't adopted any of your ideas about cgi signals, it's just the one service
there is also of course the fact that being a niche jap game, it's massively overpriced
the base game costs $30 and only contains one route, the keihin-tohoku line (and thus one service in one direction)
for comparison $30 can get you a train simulator dlc containing half the keihin-tohoku line, plus the sections of the utsunomiya and shonan-shinjuku lines that run alongside it, all with 19 scenarios covering every type of service to run on the lines in both directions in a variety of time and weather conditions, plus access to the editor to make your own scenarios
a proper 3d environment just offers so much more freedom than fmv

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:30:44 No.1913308 Report

Quoted By: >>1913314

>>1913195
Would be cool to see a modern version of it, although we're at a point where real time photorealism could be achieved in a train sim if someone put in the effort.

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Anonymous Sun 21 May 2023 22:45:48 No.1913314 Report

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>>1913308
see >>1913200

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 21:13:51 No.1913669 Report

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>>1913195
>>1913200
actually looking at the dlc routes that have physical signals instead of in-cab signalling, the signals ARE cgi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YC7c2JZ9ns

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Anonymous Mon 22 May 2023 21:30:11 No.1913672 Report

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>>1913092
Full motion video train sims are even less exciting that regular train sims, prerecorded footage means no chance of anything unexpected happening, trading playability for absolute realism.
You don't need to buy a train simulator like that, you can just download some cab view videos from Youtube and script some playback controls to "accelerate" and "brake" any train on whatever line you like.

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