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Anonymous Tue 02 Jan 2024 19:08:54 No.1970898 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1970923 >>1970994 >>1971014 >>1972427 >>1972614 >>1972648 >>1975022 >>1975050 >>1975067

Why are we pouring billions into pointless HSR when there's no intracity transit that can make rail travel worth it

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Anonymous Tue 02 Jan 2024 20:24:21 No.1970912 Report

Quoted By: >>1970946 >>1972372

SF is famous for its transit and the LA Metro is rapidly expanding.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Jan 2024 20:40:19 No.1970914 Report

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i dunno

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Anonymous Tue 02 Jan 2024 21:03:09 No.1970923 Report

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>>1970898
Its not about HSR its about getting tax dollars into politician's bank accounts at high speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jan 2024 22:58:11 No.1970946 Report

Quoted By: >>1971014 >>1971055

>>1970912
What's the point of a rail system if only one station has any reasonable use case? What the fuck is a bro supposed to do after getting off at Gilroy or Fresno?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Jan 2024 23:50:08 No.1970960 Report

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It's literally all rail autists and Jr. Urban Planners getting to put their fantasies into practice using taxpayer funds.

Watch, it'll still be cheaper and faster to take a regional flight for the next 50+ years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jan 2024 02:29:30 No.1970980 Report

Quoted By: >>1972428 >>1972429 >>1975025

he do kinda have a point in that HSR is stupid if you don't actually have places you can walk to when you get off the train stop
trains don't make sense in most american cities until they fix their zoning

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jan 2024 03:42:02 No.1970994 Report

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>>1970898
Thank you, seriously. Oh boy I can take a train to LA and then what? Rent a car? And LA isn't even as bad as shitholes like Houston Phoenix or Atlanta.

I do hate airplanes though so I'd use it anyway. Fuck the TSA

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jan 2024 05:55:18 No.1971014 Report

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>>1970946
>gilroy or fresno
work on the farms
>>1970898
I took the amtrak from sac to sf. That was comfy.

It wasn't my idea, and next time I will take my motorcycle. Same with going to LA, did that and it was pretty comfy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jan 2024 13:34:11 No.1971055 Report

Quoted By: >>1971058 >>1972660

>>1970946
go home
a big part of connecting the central valley is for people who work in the bay area but live in the central valley

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jan 2024 13:43:38 No.1971058 Report

Quoted By: >>1971072

>>1971055
Gilroy is 30 miles away from San Jose. Why not just build some commuter rail and save literal billions?
Central valley is also the agricultural hub of the US. The last thing they need is Bay Area sprawl.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Jan 2024 13:58:36 No.1971062 Report

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brightline has been the better project lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Jan 2024 15:07:53 No.1971072 Report

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>>1971058
it's on the way and there already is peak-hours commuter rail between it and sf
>The last thing they need is Bay Area sprawl.
anon have you seen the central valley cities? they're sprawling already

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Jan 2024 00:08:03 No.1972372 Report

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>>1970912
And? Are there any people travelling between those cities every single day other than some businessmen that will use a jet anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Jan 2024 04:55:21 No.1972427 Report

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>>1970898
The same way we make it work with airplanes. You either rent a car, use public transit, or use taxis and ubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Jan 2024 04:56:05 No.1972428 Report

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>>1970980
Brightline disproves this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Jan 2024 05:43:18 No.1972429 Report

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>>1970980
Freight lines go almost everywhere in the city, including near urban districts. I think Brightline either shares or rehabillitated freight lines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 09 Jan 2024 16:10:11 No.1972501 Report

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California is expanding their transit networks though.

Also, you don't need intracity transit to justify HSR. It's just a better mode of travel than flying or driving.

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Anonymous Tue 09 Jan 2024 22:48:42 No.1972614 Report

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>>1970898
>there's no intracity transit that can make rail travel worth it

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jan 2024 01:48:26 No.1972648 Report

Quoted By: >>1974859

>>1970898
>2011
>$65B
Those are rookie numbers. The total cost estimate from early 2023 was $128B.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 10 Jan 2024 02:57:08 No.1972660 Report

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>>1971055
>go home from the station to your Central Valley suburb which gets at most one bus an hour

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:51:06 No.1974859 Report

Quoted By: >>1974877 >>1974952

>>1972648
Shit like this is why GDP adjusted for PPP is more significant than nominal GDP, and it will be even more significant in a post-petroleum world.

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 01:22:36 No.1974877 Report

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>>1974859
>post-petroleum world
Is that a world where technology is sufficiently advanced to produce dense, carbon-based fuels out of household garbage, or a post-apocalyptic stone age with mass population death?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 13:43:13 No.1974952 Report

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>>1974859
inflation adjustment and poor people points are very different things, you retarded turd worlder

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 15:45:36 No.1975022 Report

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>>1970898
HSR is the most efficient mode of inter-city transportation
by investing in that, it encourages investment in intra-city infrastructure

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 15:47:15 No.1975025 Report

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>>1970980
building infrastructure is what allows for zoning changes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 16:46:42 No.1975050 Report

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>>1970898
it's cool

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 17:01:08 No.1975064 Report

Quoted By: >>1975121

>>1974877
>>post-petroleum world
>is that when le petroleum or le no petroleum (le apocalypse)

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 17:19:54 No.1975067 Report

Quoted By: >>1975101

>>1970898
It's a classic controlled opposition strategy. Design vague and unrealistic goals and push them aggressively over specific and achievable goals to drain the political capital of transit proponents. When called out, resort to name calling and say the people who favor the realistic goals are pro-car and anti-transit and "need to accept that the future is not cars"

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 20:00:56 No.1975101 Report

Quoted By: >>1975104

>>1975067
>HSR's failure is actually a false-flag operation by automobile interests

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 20:07:22 No.1975104 Report

Quoted By: >>1975293 >>1976024

>>1975101
Yes. Baiting people into seriously discussing whether cousnfuckville kentucky needs a maglev station and whether parking minimums are the main obstacle to that, as some /n/umtot has been doing for the last few weeks does in fact make rail discussions sound insane to the general public. We've got hundreds of miles of decrepit commuter rail up and down the NEC, and a practical joke "HSR" on the NEC that serves mostly as a cautionary example, but instead we're actually wasting oxygen on whether there needs to be a gravity-free tunnel for tesla cars between malibu and the las vegas strip. In what world is that helpful?

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 22:24:55 No.1975121 Report

Quoted By: >>1975134

>>1975064
They say we're post-industrial but manufacturing still occurs on a regular basis. So which is it?
>petroleum is irrelevant
>petroleum is non-existent

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Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 23:00:50 No.1975134 Report

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>>1975121
Where petroleum is irrelevant retard.
Some people out there still operate steam powered machinery, yet we can say we're in a post-steam world.
Are you fucking stupid? Is this what you do? Build up insane conclusions from colloquial names? Do you get some sick sadistic pleasure out of it? Do you actually think there are people out there, older than 16, or better yet credible in the field, who think petroleum will be completely non-existent, ever?

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Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 22:13:19 No.1975293 Report

Quoted By: >>1975297

>>1975104
I think you're being overly generous with the Poe's law stuff. It still doesn't explain /r/fuckcars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 22 Jan 2024 22:27:45 No.1975297 Report

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>>1975293
I stopped going on reddit after my 4th or 5th account suspension for replying to people threatening to run over me by saying I hope they die because on reddit it's only ok to threaten people if you're driving a car. That said, I thought the point of /r/fuckcars/ was to bitch about the McDonalds drive-thru not taking pedestrian customers, do they talk about HSR there too? How quaint

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Anonymous Fri 26 Jan 2024 10:07:23 No.1976024 Report

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>>1975104
Kentucky would be amazing with a train system. Imagine taking a train from Louisville to Lexington. Or taking a train to the gorge and not having to worry about parking your car. A man can dream...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 26 Jan 2024 17:20:14 No.1976071 Report

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What makes you think you need intracity transit to make HSR work?
People take airplanes all the time without intracity transit and they rent cars just fine.

What makes you say there’s no intracity transit? I ride transit all the time. Building HSR will just make transit even better.

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