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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 04:18:00 No.2027390 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2027402 >>2027416 >>2027418 >>2027422 >>2027450 >>2027586 >>2027821 >>2027910

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkI6Fmet4FE
>build giant transit system with biden bux
>no one wants to use it in very typical government project fashion
>jillions wasted
>"UHHHH THE SOLUTION IS IMMENANT DOMAIN TO FLOOD AREAS AROUND TRAINS WITH CHEAP HOUSING"

The mindvirus strikes again. Once again they think society should be built to make their policies work, not policies built to help society work.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 08:01:22 No.2027398 Report

Quoted By: >>2027399 >>2027404

That's typically how it works, you build transit and then zone more buildings along the rail corridor and stops. The two go in tandem

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 08:07:09 No.2027399 Report

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>>2027398
Or at least that's how it goes here, don't know what they do in the US. Especially with these recent tram expansions, typically that route will already have some high frequency bus service, but then at some point they might start looking at converting it into a tram/light rail to increase capacity. And then with the increased capacity they can zone more housing and workplaces next to it, which helps offset the cost too. They very much bring it up during the planning phase, like we're aiming to get 70 thousand more people living by this line. Which only makes sense, since you're building the line for people to use

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 09:35:12 No.2027400 Report

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how do you think cities grew before mass car ownership?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 10:07:05 No.2027402 Report

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>>2027390
>THEY BUILT A TRANSIT SYSTEM WITH STOPS ON A BUNCH OF PARKING LOTS AND HIGHWAYS AND NO ONE IS USING IT AAAAAAAH THE MINDVIRUS STRIKES AGAIN IM GOING INSANE!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 11:15:28 No.2027404 Report

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>>2027398
>how it works in snow mexico
>"typical"
There's nothing typical about copying Canadian policies or emulating syrupstan society.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 12:41:08 No.2027405 Report

Quoted By: >>2027410 >>2027421

>>2027404
I'm in Europe, I just don't really understand what the confusion is. If they've built tracks somewhere where nobody lives, why would they not then zone housing around it? What's even the point of the track, if it goes from nowhere to nowhere. For example, when they built those subway lines in Stockholm back in the day, they built them with the intention that they will get new suburbs around the stations. Or more recently here in western Mongolia, they built this suburban light rail line, and the design docs already had estimates for how many new residents and workplaces each area will have in 2030. These lines are 50 percent just a zoning tool, they gradually run out of unbuilt land, so then they zone denser areas around a high capacity transit route. Which seems doubly logical if they're actually aiming to have people use the transit instead of driving

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 12:57:09 No.2027410 Report

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>>2027405
>What's even the point of the track, if it goes from nowhere to nowhere.
Politicians get a photo op
Contractors connected to politicians make money
Money is mostly from the feds, not the city or state
Cities get to brag about their new streetcar/light rail that no one uses

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 14:22:39 No.2027416 Report

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>>2027390
>expecting leftoids to understand demand
It's really simple, cars are superior and the choice of the people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 15:11:04 No.2027418 Report

Quoted By: >>2027421

>>2027390
RTD light rail is slower than driving by a longshot even when compared to driving.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 16:10:41 No.2027421 Report

Quoted By: >>2028035

>>2027418
Yeah light rail isn't very good for long distance travel. Like here the blue route takes an hour to go from end to end >>2027405 whereas with the orange subway train it takes 20 minutes. But it's not really meant for that anyway. People just do short distance hops with it. If someone's building a line where it's meant for traveling all the way across a town, it should really probably be a proper train line. The frequency of stops reflects that as well, in the inner city the trams will stop every couple hundred meters, and on LRT type routes it'll be like 800 meters on average. Then on the train lines where they go 10+ miles into the suburbs, it's more like a mile between each stop. I don't know how you'd solve this in US cities, since they spread out way more than eurotowns. Most areas will be too low density for a train, but then trams are just hopelessly slow for a useful service

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 16:30:15 No.2027422 Report

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>>2027390
>Once again they think society should be built to make their policies work, not policies built to help society work.
This is easily the greatest summary of why modern society is failing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 19:06:33 No.2027431 Report

Quoted By: >>2027447

Why are Americans like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Dec 2024 23:27:20 No.2027447 Report

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>>2027431
>$850B on trains
That's not America

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Dec 2024 00:03:15 No.2027450 Report

Quoted By: >>2027611

>>2027390
This is not a problem with rail transport in itself and more of a problem of a corrupt and incompetent government that hates your guts. Rail just werks on the civilized world, from Europe to Asia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Dec 2024 14:07:41 No.2027586 Report

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>>2027390
damn i wonder how cities grew in the late 19th and early 20th century

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Dec 2024 19:18:36 No.2027611 Report

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>>2027450
its cheaper to fly than to take the rail

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Dec 2024 05:48:08 No.2027821 Report

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>>2027390
Honestly Colorado (and much of the Western US in general) doesn't have cities in a typical sense, more a series of loosely connected suburbs, industrial and rural areas with the occasional downtown no one really cares about. This makes building transit anyone but the homeless will use impossible, as while transit can handle residential sprawl OK it would be extremely expensive to send a bus or rail line to all the massively spread out places people work. Even if you could get people to live next to the RTD lines, they would still have to drive to reach the places they actually want to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2024 01:52:03 No.2027910 Report

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>>2027390
the problem here anon is that rtd wasted their bidenbux building rail to where nobody lives or works instead of building it in already heavily used bus corridors with existing density like along colfax. its all done for stupid corrupt political reasons anon, not because of some grand conspiracy

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Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2024 03:42:30 No.2027917 Report

Quoted By: >>2027982

I keep seeing retards here insinuating something that isn't immediately obvious to non-history nerds so I'll just spell it out plain and simple.
Building a new railways to the middle of nowhere and building housing near the stations was exactly how railway companies back in the day expanded and profited.
The middle class in London could buy houses out in the countryside and have a reliable and comfortable rail service directly to their place of work, and this was in the 30s when cars were viable enough that major avenues were built in London to accommodate them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2024 05:30:56 No.2027919 Report

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Denver RTD works great and OP's video is a liar, and most Republicans who were against the projects are liars or miggers anyway.

I don't care about their shit opinions, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Dec 2024 18:57:30 No.2027982 Report

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>>2027917
Japan also did this but even more advanced. they built a little amusement park at the rural terminus so that they got daily traffic from salarymen to the city and back (2 fares per home,) and then traffic the other way when the wives and children went to the park (2 extra fares per trip, not usually daily but still lots of traffic.) not sure if kids had reduced fare or free but still more money rolling in every day besides workers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Dec 2024 10:52:48 No.2028035 Report

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>>2027421
The newer trams in Helsinki can theoretically do 80k, I think it's just a question of tracks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 01:38:07 No.2028655 Report

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I like cheap housing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Dec 2024 09:11:39 No.2029229 Report

Quoted By: >>2029230

nice, this thread has still Christmas!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Dec 2024 09:12:41 No.2029230 Report

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>>2029229
oh, I think I killed it...

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