>>2030682as I said before, if you're pedaling about 500 meters from the root cellar to the stable and it's slightly drizzly out, they will keep your shit clean. if you're a dutchoid and you're stealing a bike to go half a kilometer from the rail station to your job trading indonesian baby skull futures or something, then yeah, those make sense
for ACTUAL riding such as modern-day commutes in a first world cunt, or "going for a group ride in fred kit" like the other anon said, they just get in the way, because real life cycling scenarios involve more than just 3 pedal turns and then you're done