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Caltrain announces electrification bid awards

Anonymous Thu 30 Jun 2016 23:04:43 No.974593 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>974637

full July 7th agenda here:

http://www.caltrain.com/Assets/__Agendas+and+Minutes/JPB/Board+of+Directors/Agendas/2016/2016-07-07+JPB+BOD+Agenda+Packet.pdf

>Award of Contract to Stadler US, Inc for Procurement of Electric Multiple Unit Vehicles for a Not-to-Exceed Amount of $550,899,459

Which means Caltrain will get some modified KISS units, pic related but with double doors on each side (for low and high platforms).

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:50:08 No.974633 Report

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They'll most likely have the new front though. Pic related KISS made by stadler for ODEG in Germany.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 00:54:44 No.974637 Report

Quoted By: >>974645 >>974648

>>974593
I don't get how having high and low platform doors is going to work long term. I get that the low platform doors are for the near term and the high ones for once all stations have been modified to have high platforms. But once that happens, will they modify the trains to remove the low doors and put seats there instead?

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:29:46 No.974645 Report

Quoted By: >>974650 >>974655 >>974675

>>974637
only in America would such a thing even need to happen

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:41:37 No.974648 Report

Quoted By: >>974665 >>974678

>>974637

Caltrain doesn't want to rebuild all their stations, when CAHSR will only share about four (SF, Milbrae, RWC, SJ). Also if Dumbarton rail ever happens, and they're able to access the east bay, the only cars that work over there are ones that use 8-inch platforms. This is particularly relevant if Caltrain ever gets their own transbay tube. Making a special snowflake train is the easiest way to just make it all werk, and allows them to upgrade everything piecemeal.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:46:30 No.974650 Report

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>>974645

The fact that Caltrain stations have full-length platforms was itself a big deal back in the 80s when Caltrain was first created. Same for Metrolink in the 90s. Pic related (Truckee Amtrak) was what the typical train station looked like.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:48:32 No.974653 Report

Quoted By: >>974659

how many billions will it cost?

how many years will it be delayed?

how many politically connected contractors will make themselves richer on this?

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 01:51:53 No.974655 Report

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>>974645

Caltrain has full-length platforms, this itself was a big deal when it was first created in 1980. Platforms cost money, pic related is what most of the state's rail system used before the 80s and 90s when commuter rail systems started getting modernized.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:00:35 No.974659 Report

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>>974653

This is not a small project. It is the culmination of 20+ years of Peninsula Corridor modernization. SP gave up their commute op in 1980 to Caltrans, who did a lot of work improving stations (ie adding full-length platforms and crossing gates at grade crossings). In 1991, the newly formed Peninsula Corridor Joint Powers Board bought the entire line from SP and immediately began doing grade separation projects which continue today.

However, the long-term feasibility of Caltrain was in doubt (as BART wanted the track) until California voters passed Prop 1A in 2008, which required the state to build high-speed rail from SF to LA. The only corridor available is Caltrain's. Anyway, since then Caltrain has focused on getting ready for HSR, and part of that is electrifying which will begin construction next year. Once that is done in 2020, it will have taken a full 40 years to bring the Peninsula Corridor up to a modern standard.

My point is that this is part of something that has been going on for a long time.

>how many politically connected contractors will make themselves richer on this?

Bechtel has BART, Parsons Brinckerhoff has CAHSR. Caltrain is able to seek rent from both.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:01:37 No.974661 Report

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how things change

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Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:09:38 No.974665 Report

Quoted By: >>974673 >>974692

>>974648
why are there "weekend only" stations?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:33:32 No.974673 Report

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>>974665
Not enough projected ridership during weekdays?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:35:44 No.974675 Report

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>>974645
A lot of these stations were built over 100 years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 02:37:05 No.974678 Report

Quoted By: >>974694

>>974648
So basically seating space has to be sacrificed for the sake of being a special snowflake. That's fucking dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 03:14:55 No.974692 Report

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>>974665

Most of SP's system was flag stops, Caltrain doesn't do that because it screws up timetables/scheduling as they run more trains (2 every hour, soon 3-4 an hour).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Jul 2016 03:19:46 No.974694 Report

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>>974678

Either you get a special snowflake, or you don't get any HSR compatibility at all. The die was cast 50 years ago when San Mateo County did not join BART. Also this is the only way SF gets express trains. Blame boomers for being stupid, blame BART for not making their case, and blame Leeland Stanford (west coast railroad baron) for being cheap and not wanting to pay for platforms in the nineteenth century.

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