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Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 19:35:15 No.977160 View View Reply Original Report

since I shit on many cycling trends and fads like memebrakes and 12s meme casettes, lets make a list of what have Megalized and crew done right in the road bike section in the last 20, 30y or so

Freehubs > Freewheel cassetes
Better rim brakes > Bad old skul brakes
Stiffy frame > Flexy frame
BETTER TIRES ALL DAY ERRY DAY > bad tires
Shorter wheelbase > long casual comfy sluggish wheelbase
Helmets > flatcaps
CARTRIDGE HUBS ALL DAY ERRY DAY > cup and cone
Easy servisable cranks > meme old school twig cranks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 19:38:03 No.977162 Report

Quoted By: >>977354

threadless HS > threaded fix me all the time HS that is a pain to remove bars or stem
proper handlebar and grips > improper cloth
flawless short cage > slowish long cage

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 19:40:35 No.977163 Report

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dual > triple

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 20:20:13 No.977185 Report

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Power meters > heart rate monitors
Ant+ wireless > wired

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 20:32:29 No.977188 Report

Quoted By: >>977192

poly clothing > wool
lycra bib > baggy clothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 20:39:08 No.977192 Report

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>>977188
>lycra bib > baggy clothing
thanks, but no thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 21:42:56 No.977235 Report

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I'm a big fan of disc brakes, although judging by how flexy and chatty my MTB fork is under hard braking I don't think I'd like my more flexy road fork to have one mounted.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 21:49:13 No.977237 Report

Quoted By: >>977272

>>977160
I feel like the OP isn't even making an argument against older technology.

Tf are "bad old skul brakes"?

Better tires have always been better.

Helmets are pretty much universally agreed upon except for a handful of people on the internet.

The majority of the world agrees on cartridge bearings over loose balls.

No clue on what they means by old school twig cranks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Jul 2016 23:47:00 No.977272 Report

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>>977237
>Helmets are pretty much universally agreed upon except for a handful of people on the internet.
In countries where the most people commute on bicycles, hardly anyone wears helmets. Pro riders only wear helmets because they're required by the UCI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 01:23:59 No.977297 Report

Quoted By: >>977354

>>977160
>cup and cone is bad guiz
>
>no noticable improvement in rollan resistance
>great wear characteristics if maintained by someone who has a brain,moran
>inb4 muh grams

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 03:29:21 No.977324 Report

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Old technology isn't inherently "BAD"

For what people mostly use cycling for you can ride old as fuck bikes for a really long time. I own an 80's no name custom frame that I put a sturmey archer hub on with flat bars for my commuting in the city. Low maintenance, easy to maintain and I don't have to worry about it getting knicked.

Heck, people literally ride mixtes and duch bikes WITH KICKSTANDS... like.. if you're not using strava and riding distances of less than 20km with little elevation does it actually even matter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 05:00:22 No.977354 Report

Quoted By: >>977357

>>977297
Love me some cup&cone shimano hubs (M900 hub still kicking close to a quarter century later), but fuck old cup&cone bottom brackets. Even if you're still using square taper cranks, cartridge BBs are so incredibly better.

>>977162
Every time I see someone make a new frame with a 1" steerer and threaded fork my mind melts a little. Whhyyyyyyyyyy! Is it just because they like how old quill stems look?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 05:16:23 No.977357 Report

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>>977354
Sometimes they know freds are autistic about steerer length, and will demand technomic lengths, or leave that use amount of steerer uncut because they don't want to cut it and they will complain and complain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 06:59:14 No.977375 Report

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as I am older and don't have the same strength and flexibility that I had through my fifties...

wide compact gearing 50/34 12-28 > 52/42 14-26 gearing

endurance geometry (higher head tube) > classic race geometry

clip-in pedals/shoes > cage pedals and shoes with wooden soles and nailed on cleats

poly-micro-fiber washable gloves > cotton and leather palm gloves

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 11:42:01 No.977413 Report

Quoted By: >>977414 >>977424 >>977485

it is not black and white

the way of the true patrician is found between both camps

wu-wei - like a river you must flow between the trends

* Aluminum frame > steel frame > carbon frame
* Steel fork > carbon fork > aluminum fork
* 9 speed > 8 speed > all other speeds
* pinned flats > clip in > clipless > all other pedals
* ~35c > skinny tires > fat tires
* v-brakes w/kool stop > hydro disc > mech disc > cantilever
* AnAtomica > modern synthetic saddle > Brooks
* short triathlon size cranks > normie cranks > retrogrouch Zinn suggestions
* threadless > threaded
* bar end > STI > downtube
* mini-V > magura hydro > caliper
* classic cork / synthetic > leather > lizard skin type > cotton
* plastic full fenders > no fenders > aluminum fenders
* frame bag > rear rack > jane heine low trail bar bag > front rack
* presta > schrader > tubeless > tubular
* 2x > 1x > 3x > ss > fixed

modern MTB addendum
* 1x > all
* hydro disc > all

road racer addendum
* 25c > all
* caliper > all
* carbon > all
* STI > all

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 11:43:36 No.977414 Report

Quoted By: >>977453

>>977413
>if you average the two extremes you get the truth
lol no, this is retard logic for people who aren't willing to think for themselves and actually want to be everybody's friend

enjoy your shitty "kind of works" everything

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 11:57:29 No.977424 Report

Quoted By: >>977453 >>977473

>>977413
Special snowflake the post, where being an individual means having arbitrary opinions.

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 13:04:08 No.977447 Report

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I spent a lot of money on a GPS computer for my bike so that I could track speed and plug it into my pc when I get home to check ride and consistency.
Every ride was a push to up my average speed and to be consistent.
This year, I haven't put it on my bike. Riding is so much more fun without it.
I actually enjoy going on a ride now, it's great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 13:12:55 No.977453 Report

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>>977414
>>977424

Uh no, this list is about best result per $$$ + long lasting, comfy bike for normie riders

Special snowflake are your hipster steel SS mtbs, your full carbon colourway'd disc roadies, your vintage cotton-tape fopwagons

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 14:36:53 No.977473 Report

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>>977424
But picking tech because it seems to be an average of two extremes is literally arbitrary

You have to evaluate the tech on the merits

For example discs are, hands down, better

Press fit is, hands down, gimpy fred shit for disposable single season crabbon fred sleds

New tech takes hold in a sea of interrelated interests and priorities; whether a specific change ends up proliferating may or may not be for reasons that apply to most cyclists

It's like:
>republicans want toddlers armed with Davy Crockett nuclear bazookas
>democrats want all guns except muzzle loaders banned
>therefore using reason and logic, it follows that the best choice is to give half the toddlers muzzle loading nuclear bazookas and the other half can't be allowed to use so much as a butter knife

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Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 15:47:34 No.977485 Report

Quoted By: >>977493

>>977413
>* Aluminum frame > steel frame > carbon frame

DEPENDS

>* Steel fork > carbon fork > aluminum fork

STEEL IS TOO FLEXY FOR A ROAD BIKE FORK, THIS TIME IN NO RETRO

>* 9 speed > 8 speed > all other speeds

8 SPEED ALL DAYY EVERYWHERE, nothing like 8s mtb or road, its best for the buck, range and durability

>* pinned flats > clip in > clipless > all other pedals

my nigga actually, pins with solid sheos are almost as grippy as SPDs

>* ~35c > skinny tires > fat tires

depends

>* v-brakes w/kool stop > hydro disc > mech disc > cantilever

>* threadless > threaded

this one was easy

>* classic cork / synthetic > leather > lizard skin type > cotton

no way and why? lizard skin all the way

>* presta > schrader > tubeless > tubular

easy

>* 2x > 1x > 3x > ss > fixed

YES

>modern MTB addendum
>* 1x > all

NO NO NO, 2x all the way

>* hydro disc > all

YES YES YES

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 16:23:55 No.977493 Report

Quoted By: >>977510

>>977485
Properly built steel forks don't flex. They're just heavy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 16:59:53 No.977510 Report

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>>977493
>Properly built steel forks don't flex.

I own 2 vintage road bikes, one low end 70s, one high end 90s ultegra with chrome forks - both of them flexed a bit while alu and carbon feel much more secure in terms of flex. even Tom Ritcey owns a steel road bike with carbon forks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 17:13:14 No.977512 Report

Quoted By: >>977515

>>977160
>sluggish wheelbase

Wheelbase has literally zero effect on speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 17:18:46 No.977515 Report

Quoted By: >>977521 >>977522

>>977512
>Wheelbase has literally zero effect on speed.

but huuuge on cornering and acceleration

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 17:33:44 No.977521 Report

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>>977515
>>Wheelbase has literally zero effect on speed.
>but huuuge on cornering and acceleration

a huge, desirable, effect on bikes carrying 20lbs of touring shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 17:47:24 No.977522 Report

Quoted By: >>977523

>>977515
how the hell does wheelbase affect acceleration?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Jul 2016 17:51:37 No.977523 Report

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>>977522
>how the hell does wheelbase affect acceleration?

chain lenght and rear triangle stifness since the chainstay is longer

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