Hospital doctors get sued for haphazardly performing sex change surgery.
Woman self-diagnosed herself with gender dysphoria and realized after having her uterus and boobs removed that she never had gender dysphoria; as with most trans people, she was depressed from being abused as a child
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/uw-gave-gender-transition-surgeries-without-proper-consent-lawsuit/ar-AA1jq2dC UW gave gender-transition surgeries without proper consent: lawsuit
A woman who allegedly self-diagnosed herself as having gender dysphoria as a teenager is suing two Wisconsin surgeons who removed her uterus and breasts, saying they did the procedures without her proper consent.
Jay Lick and Katherine Gast, as well as UW Hospital were named in the suit in Dane County Circuit Court, the Wisconsin State Journal reported. Lick reportedly removed the now-23-year-old woman’s uterus when she was 19, while Gast performed her double mastectomy when she was 21. Both surgeries were considered gender-affirming procedures, according to the suit
The lawsuit argues the woman self-diagnosed herself as having gender dysphoria in her late teens, but that doctors did not independently diagnose her, according to the Wisconsin State Journal.
The suit alleges the doctors carried out malpractice and failed to obtain informed consent, discrimination under the Affordable Care Act, hospital negligence, and the denial of benefits and care that would have been provided to a "non-transgender woman," according to the suit.
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The woman, who now lives in Chicago, said she previously identified as lesbian and then nonbinary to "cleanse her of the severe psychological distress and trauma that she endured as a child," according to the suit.
Anonymous
In case anyone had any doubts, yes, this is a Fox News story hiding behind a msn link.
Anonymous
>>1232806 Big doubt that they didn't get informed consent, and what is really strange is that it says she was taking testosterone, but not for how long.
Really strange that the lawsuit focuses on the surgeons, saying that they didn't get informed consent, when if she was taking testosterone for years before the surgeries, then they were going off of years of medical history of her already being diagnosed with gender dysphoria and getting gender affirming care.
And she is suing them for surgeries she had as an adult at age 19 and 21.
I won't be surprised to learn that her lawyers were paid for by some anti-trans organization, because the goal of this lawsuit appears to be to give a chilling effect to doctors giving care to trans people even as adults.
Anonymous
>>1232811 >she was taking testosterone for years before the surgeries, Pretty sure it just says "She stopped taking testosterone in the last year and began the process to "detransition" after determining that her childhood trauma sparked mental distress, not her biological sex, the outlet reported." and then you just imagined a start date for her hrt, when it only mentioned she was on it after the surgery and stopped taking it in the last year
Anonymous
>>1232812 >>1232811 I think its safe to say that nobody here is a legal or medical expert. This person was clearly not happy with the outcome of their surgeries. Fair, it happens, but whether or not a law was broken is beyond the purview of anybody here. As always, people are just using this story as ammunition for whatever side of the culture war they're on.
Anonymous
>First do no harm >RESPECT THEIR CHOICE!!!
Anonymous
>>1232816 There aren't two sides to the culture war. It's entirely one sided kneejerk reactions on the part of conservatives to whatever outrageous thing the liberals did this time.
Anonymous
>>1232817 Yea imagine if people wanted to get implants that made their chest big and round?
Or injected botchalism into their face to smooth wrinkles? Lock up these crazies!
Of imagine if guys went and had hair from their bodies services attached to their heads? Fucking freaks!!!!
/S if you didn’t catch that.
Anonymous
>>1232817 >How in anyway can you people justify doctors removing healthy organs?? PERIOD.. Donating organs? Sterilization surgeries? Plastic surgeries? Did you even think about your own question before asking it? Also, this absolute obsession you people have with surgeries is nuts. Trans people are less than 0.5% of the entire U.S. population and only 3-5% of that 0.5% ever get bottom surgery. We're talking about a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent.
>If a doctor removes healthy reproductive organs... They are insane. Lock THEM up.. I have no clue why you think anybody should care about your amateur medical takes. You have no authority or education on this topic. You're just giving us your feelings.
Anonymous
>>1232818 >There aren't two sides to the culture war. No, there are definitely two sides, especially with the topic of trans people. On the extreme right you have conservatives trying to ban health services for adults because they think being trans is this crazy mental illness pushed by the jews that's going to destroy the country. On the other side you have insane twitter lefties who think any child of any age can take HRT and come out as trans, there should be no barrier or oversight on trans people in sports and that trans women can have period cramps. Granted, the extremism on trans issues is much larger on the right than the left but people who have zero empirical basis to their opinions and merely operate off of emotion exists on both sides, absolutely.
Anonymous
>>1232812 >Pretty sure it just says "She stopped taking testosterone in the last year and began the process to "detransition" Yes, which is after the surgeries. She is 23 in the article I believe, the surgeries were at 19 and 21.
You've missed my point. If she was on testosterone already, that means she had a medical history of gender dysphoria and treatment of that with gender affirming care BEFORE she had the surgeries, which makes the idea that she did not have informed consent for these surgeries doubtful.
It's not like she decided to cut off her tits one day and the next day a surgeon did it. She was already several years into a transition when she had these surgeries, as an adult btw.
Anonymous
>>1232810 >I wonder why Fox News is so obsessed with stories about trannies? ...and we wonder why the OP is obsessed too? Freud would clearly have a field day with said OP who is obsessed about an issue which most sane people don't think about
mainly because they're not bigots: unlike the cesspits of biased bigoted bile that are Faux News & the Daily Fail which said OP dredges Anonymous
>>1232824 >trans women can have period cramps anon they objectively do.
That's a side effect of HRT. If you take estrogen and go through a female puberty as a result, you are going to have female hormone cycles whether or not you actually have a uterus.
Men also have hormone cycles that fluctuate, they just don't cause noticeable changes in mood or penis bleeding.
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>>1232832 >anon they objectively do. Ah, okay. Nice psyop.
Anonymous
>>1232830 >which makes the idea that she did not have informed consent for these surgeries doubtful. It sounds like nobody ever diagnosed her with it.
The entire allegation here is that doctors treated gender dysphoria based on her claims that she had the disease
Anonymous
>>1232845 >The entire allegation here is that doctors treated gender dysphoria based on her claims that she had the disease Well, no. The allegation is that they operated on her without "informed consent". The allegation is that they performed the surgery on her without properly educating her as to the possible risks, benefits and alternatives. That's what informed consent is.
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>>1232846 pretending to have caught the troon has become pretty popular amongst American teenagers as of late
Anonymous
>>1232819 Thank you for the '/S' and self-identifying as a red-dit fag. Back to your echo-chamber!
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>>1232806 Imagine there being issues with chopping off the body parts of the mentally ill at their discretion.
Shocking.
Anonymous
>>1232819 Here we go again.
Which of those elective surgeries is designed to remove healthy functioning body parts?
theonebigot dontcompassionitsself
>>1232806 Too bad humanity doesn't have compassion surgery, as OP needs it
Anonymous
>>1232874 OP has a mental illness and insists he needs his testicles removed.
We should listen to the mentally ill.
Anonymous
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>>1232876 Living people sometimes win Darwin Awards.
Anonymous
Why does this article make /news/bots seethe so much?
Anonymous
>>1232832 >>1232832 >>1232832 >men also have hormone cycles that fluctuate. Bruh, like from morning to evening and maybe what's you reach your 60's where your testosterone is barely being produced in the quantities it used to be, but no- no its not like something that effects women for a week or two weeks every month. Or I should say, they don't make a pill that fucks with your hormones like it does for women.
Anonymous
>>1232857 >>1232862 These 2 clowns are pathetic. You can’t respond to the obvious point being made about your willful ignorance, so you have to make some comment about Reddit or pretend that you dont understand that the surgeries or procedures being done are gender affirming and you accept countless gender affirming procedures as “normal” while trying to demonize the ones that you wish to be bigoted towards.
You are a hateful hypocrite and can not respond to valid criticism of your ignorance.
Keep being dumb and angry, let’s see how that works out for ya.
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>>1232889 Good thing we have the ignorant hormone Doctor here to give us all incorrect information. Did you get your degree from the university of willful ignorance?
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>>1232898 >>1232901 >41%er cope Troons gonna troon
Anonymous
>>1232888 Mostly because you people continually misrepresent the argument and don't understand trannies are only 0.6% of the population. This isn't the "sky is falling/western civilization is over" issue you people think it is.
Anonymous
>>1232904 >Mostly because you people continually misrepresent the argument and don't understand trannies are only 0.6% of the population. What percentage of the /news/ population do you think troon make up? Given there's like 1-2 dozen active users, I'd say 30%
Anonymous
>>1232906 0%, but in your head it's about 75%-80%.
Anonymous
>>1232908 >angry troon response Gotcha lmao. With 15 posters in this thread we're at 6%
Anonymous
>>1232910 so once again your response to points that question your inherent bigotry and ignorance is “you must also be trans and then I don’t have to consider your point! Check mate!”What a sad little scared world you live in. I don’t know how you get up in the morning with all that fear. Don’t worry, the trans community is not coming to get you.
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>>1232913 >troon continues seething > your inherent bigotry and ignorance Troonanon this is 4chan, you're not gonna shame and/or down vote your way out of being called a troon. Try not to 41% yourself over it.
Anonymous
>>1232910 >respond calmly with facts >"KEK UR SO ANGRY" What?
>>1232920 When did you first become obsessed with trannies to the point of seeing phantom trannies everywhere?
Anonymous
>>1232922 >keeps taking troon bait >wonders why he keeps getting called a troon Anonymous
Anonymous
>>1232922 republicucks are all naturally subservient, and want big government to tell them what is good and bad.
they just flail around with the reasoning, which is why this mental deficient is focusing in on the 'removing healthy body parts'
IDK about you, but when there are replacement mechancial arms with internet access and self-lubricating vibrating palms, I'll be hacking off my real arm as soon as I can
That doesn't make me insane, its the only sane choice Anonymous
>>1232924 >anyone who responds is an automatic troon That is some next level mental illness you have going there. How did you get like this?
Anonymous
>>1232922 >When did you first become obsessed with trannies to the point of seeing phantom trannies everywhere? I think this "obsession" started when there was a massive inorganic media, and government push to reformat society to appease the mentally ill.
Imagine changing society to fit the whims of the insane instead of attempting to help the insane become sane again.
Anonymous
>>1232934 >keeps taking troon bait >wonders why he keeps getting called a troon >keeps taking troon bait >wonders why he keeps getting called a troon >keeps taking troon bait >wonders why he keeps getting called a troon Is it like your HRT cycle outrunning your suicidal idealization- if you stop, you die?
Anonymous
>>1232932 >want big government to tell them what is good and bad. Interesting since "republicucks" are simply fighting Democrats using big government to enforce acceptance of mental illness.
Anonymous
>>1232934 They get paid to act mentally ill, I'm sure they don't believe what theyvsay
Anonymous
>>1232935 >>1232937 >>1232939 It is so strange to see this cycle, that somehow any acceptance of the trans community equals a massive conspiracy of government and media to force “mass think” on society or whatever the fuck this mental gymnastics is, then when any point is brought up that questions this conspiracy it only proves the conspiracy exists and means anyone asking is also trans and that the way to combat that is call out the secret trans person?
I am exhausted just trying to comprehend this level of crazy. But yea, tell us about mental illness some more.
Anonymous
>>1232950 >They get paid to act mentally ill, I'm sure they don't believe what theyvsay Troons get paid to act mentally ill? Thats news to me
Anonymous
>>1232957 Is it an 8 hour shift? Do you get breaks?
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>>1232953 >government and big pharma in bed together >trannies make big pharma lots of money >government pushes trannies >big pharma makes lots of money >big pharma donates to election campaigns Weird because when it was the opioid crisis, everybody knew this was the reason why. But now? Couldn't possibly be that, no way!
Anonymous
>>1232959 Yes. WEF offers amazing benefits.
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>>1232961 When will the UN/WEF Eurotrash fags leave normal people alone?
Anonymous
Now we have trannies ITT pretending they're not trannies despite gagging and slobbering all over their mutilated cocks. Ywnbaw
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>>1232970 pretty much the only people i find bringing up trannies are you chuds, and you're fantasizing about tranny blowjobs.
this is a blue board, take your fantasies to grindr
Anonymous
Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder.
Anonymous
>>1232978 says the incel with mental illnesses but no medial degree
go fuck one and get it out of your system
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>>1232980 >Fuck one >It has no genitals. Sodomize one? Do we really consider sodomy sex in 2023?
Anonymous
>>1232980 Imagine a mental illness so not insane you have your nads disfigured to the point where you can only have your poopy butt fucked.
Then imagine the person who recommends putting your dick in some insane castrated man's poop.
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>>1232806 >suing surgons for money >the woman is jewish like pottery
Anonymous
>>1232985 Please keep your shit fetish to yourself
Anonymous
>>1232992 Sorry to remind you that butts are for poop, faggot.
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Parts of the trannyfesto have been obtained.
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>>1232997 why are you so focused on gay butts, everyone has a butt. seems like projection
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>>1232970 You people need to find a new obsession. Its getting really weird.
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>>1232821 >Donating organs? Not ethical with the person alive, period. You can't have ethical consent because social & fiscal pressure is always involved, violating ethics codes. On death, it's ok, those organs can go where they are needed with permission.
>Sterilization surgeries? Doesn't involve organ removal.
>Plastic surgeries? Also unethical, unnecessarily dangerous, and that is on top of being disgusting. But we do it anyway.
Just because we are "modern" doesn't mean doctors are always right or non-barbaric. We still practice genital mutilation and doctors actively lie to patients when it comes to certain topics like paternity, and topics that shouldn't be verboten are prohibited and censored in the medial community & journals (especially with respect to genital mutilation).
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>>1232811 Doctors NEVER get informed consent before this shit for trannies. You're forgetting the "informed" part. Lying to a patient and telling her that she's actually a man is the exact opposite of "informed consent." Unless the consent is preceded by a statement along the lines of
>You are a woman. You will always be a woman. No amount of hormone or surgery will ever change the fact that you are a woman then she wasn't actually informed.
Anonymous
>>1232821 >bottom surgery. What? Are you a child? Fuck off with this "bottom surgery" shit.
Anonymous
>>1232821 >>1232816 I identify as a medical expert. Women cannot become men and these doctors should lose their license.
Anonymous
>>1232818 The two sides are:
>Liberals: *do something outrageous* >Conservatives: *notice* >(You): NOOOOOO STOP NOTICING HOW INSANE WE ARE! Anonymous
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>>1233077 so you are outraged
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>>1233072 >>1233075 >>1233076 >>1233077 This coming from the morons who brought us:
>2020 election was definitely stolen! >Trump is the height of masculinity! >The government should have no say in our daily life, except for things that don't affect me and I think the government should have a say in! Neutering all Republicunts would be a step in the right direction
Anonymous
>>1232831 Mutilating people for money and trying to push it on every kid who is uncomfortable during puberty does tend to draw pushback from sane, reasonable adults with a stake in society, not that I'd expect an underage b& commie like yourself to know.
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>>1233084 the thing is, that would get a lot of people to push back
but its not whats happening, and when you need to lie to get your points through you lose a lot of potential followers
why do you need to pathologically lie?
Anonymous
>>1233086 Why are YOU lying? That clearly is what's happening, the only right trannies don't have is the right to convert kids, which they're open about and even have terminology for (they call them "eggs" and convincing them to take puberty blockers is described as "hatching"). This is common knowledge. Your own argument self destructs at the attempted ad populum when you look around and see how MUCH pushback there is against your vile, pedo ideology.
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>>1233087 lmao, k
seethe more and die mad then
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>>1233086 >ummmmm nobody mutilates people for money xhe said, in a thread about doctors mutilating a woman for money.
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>>1233089 >a woman >people You know these are two different things, right?
Anonymous
>>1233084 ...and again, we see how obsessed rightard bigots are. But then, we see here
>>1232413 what closet cases they are.
Freud would have a field day with them, especially
>>1233084 and the OP.
Bigotry: not the mindset of sane, reasonable adults, ergo those who do push such unjustifiable thinking on kids by underage b& like
>>1233084 that make IMAX obsolete.
Anonymous
>>1233104 Blow it out your ass
Anonymous
>>1233089 The narrative that there's this huge amount of money in trans medicine is pure conservative schizo cope with no basis in reality.
Anonymous
>>1233120 >“It’s a lot of money,” VUMC Clinic for Transgender Health’s Dr. Shayne Sebold Taylor said at one Medicine Grand Rounds lecture, video reveals. “These surgeries make a lot of money.” >Taylor noted that a “chest reconstruction” can bring in $40,000 per patient, and someone “just on routine hormone treatment, who I’m only seeing a few times a year, can bring in several thousand dollars … and actually makes money for the hospital.” >Citing the Philadelphia Center for Transgender Surgery, Taylor said vaginoplasty surgeries can generate $20,000, gushing that it “has to be an underestimate,” since hospital stay, anesthesia, post-op visits, and other add-ons are not included in the total. >“And the female-to-male bottom surgeries, these are huge money makers,” the doctor continued, adding that such surgeries could bring in “up to $100,000” for the hospital. >Some clinics are “entirely” “supported” financially by such phalloplasty surgeries, Taylor boasted. >“These surgeries are labor intensive, there are a lot of follow-ups, they require a lot of our time, and they make money,” she emphasized. “They make money for the hospital.” le big oof
Anonymous
>>1233125 Trans people make up 0.5% of the entire U.S. population and less than 10% of trans people ever get surgery of any kind, only 3-5% of that 10% getting bottom surgery. In reality, tummy tucks, breast augmentations, rhinoplasty, lip suction and all other forms of plastic surgery make up 98% of the 4 million plastic surgeries done in the U.S. every year. Americans spend around $17 billion a year on plastic surgery. Trans surgeries are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of that $17 billion. As of right now there's only a handful of doctors in the entire world who even know how to do bottom surgeries. So, I repeat - the narrative that there's this huge amount of money in trans medicine is pure conservative schizo cope. Bottom surgeries being $100,000 has nothing to do with the fact that they represent not even .005% of all elective surgeries. Plastic surgeons are not getting rich on trans medicine. Your argument is not based in reality.
Anonymous
>>1233129 thanks, i'll take the analysis of an actual doctor over the random opinion of some chud /news/ poster on the internet
Anonymous
>>1233131 >thanks, i'll take the analysis of an actual doctor What you just read was not an analysis of the market value of trans surgeries. You heard a doctor say "Trans bottom surgeries are very expensive and earn a lot of money" which is true. The context you're ignoring which blows up your entire argument is that trans bottom surgeries are extremely rare, only a handful of surgeons even know how to do them and represent less than 0.005% of all the $17 billion dollars Americans spend every year on elective surgeries. If Product A costs $50 and you sell 5 of them a year bur Product B costs $10 and you sell 50,00 of them a year, Product A factually, objective does not make a lot of money despite it being 5 times more expensive than product B. This is basic math and, more importantly, basic logic. Enjoy your BTFO.
Anonymous
>>1233137 >You heard a doctor say "Trans bottom surgeries are very expensive and earn a lot of money" which is true clearly, thanks for playing.
Anonymous
>>1233138 See
>>1233137 >The context you're ignoring which blows up your entire argument is that trans bottom surgeries are extremely rare, only a handful of surgeons even know how to do them and represent less than 0.005% of all the $17 billion dollars Americans spend every year on elective surgeries. If Product A costs $50 and you sell 5 of them a year bur Product B costs $10 and you sell 50,00 of them a year, Product A factually, objective does not make a lot of money despite it being 5 times more expensive than product B You skipped engaging with this part because it debunks your argument and you have no response. Enjoy your BTFO.
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not allowing people to fuck themselves up surgically is a weird tactic from retardicans
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>>1233141 >The narrative that there's this huge amount of money in trans medicine is pure conservative schizo cope with no basis in reality. >You heard a doctor say "Trans bottom surgeries are very expensive and earn a lot of money" which is true you are here. enjoy your btfo
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>>1233109 ...see? They can't help proving how obsessed they are. Freud was right after all.
Anonymous
>>1233145 There is no huge amount of money in trans surgeries. Trans surgeries factually, objectively, represent less than 0.05% of all plastic surgeries performed every year. 99.95% is overwhelmingly larger than 0.05%. This is basic math. I accept your inability to engage with the argument as your concession. You know you lost. You know you have no response. That's why you're ignoring the part of the argument that debunks you. I hope you don't think anybody reading this thread doesn't notice.
Anonymous
>>1233148 Trans surgery represents a large profit incentive where none previously exist. The return on labor on an individual basis is massive. The value proposition relative to the total market value of cosmetic surgery is irrelevant. You've attempted to move the goalpost to deflect from the fact that your original thesis was false and easily debunked. You got btfo. Enjoy.
Anonymous
>>1233151 nta, but what the hell are you even getting at?
because bottom surgery is expensive, doctors talk kids into cutting off their dicks?
you realize that logic is crazy, and you need medication, right?
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>>1233153 Wait doctors are turning a profit on tricking kids into becoming eunuchs? Sad face emoticon.
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>>1233151 >Trans surgery represents a large profit incentive where none previously exist. You're describing literally every elective surgery ever. Nothing you're saying is exclusive to trans medicine, therefore it is not a critique of it. If your argument is that "doctors have an incentive to make money on elective surgeries" then sure. Lets talk about tit and nose jobs then - because those kinds of surgeries, not trans surgeries, represent 99.95% of all the surgery done in the country.
>The return on labor on an individual basis is massive. The value proposition relative to the total market value of cosmetic surgery is irrelevant Its 100% relevant, that's why you can't engage with it. To say that a procedure makes a lot of money simply because its expensive ignores the context that its exceedingly rare - therefore, it does not make a lot of money, hence my earlier example. Product A is expensive but Product B sells 50,000 times better, therefore Product A does not make a lot of money. Simple math. You're ignoring it because it debunks your narrative.
>You've attempted to move the goalpost to deflect from the fact that your original thesis was false and easily debunked. I said "There isn't a ton of money in trans medicine" and the anon gave me a quote that said "Trans surgeries are expensive". That has nothing to do with my initial claim.
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>>1233156 you don't understand, it makes it even more evil.
to be profitable, think of all the genitals they need to work
they're pumping kids 25/8, they got sales cold calling anyone that smiled at a trans flag
that sort of industrial evilness is ridiculous, and makes that other faggot even more worthy of abuse
Anonymous
>>1233156 You've already been btfo, but thanks for the cope.
Anonymous
>>1233168 >but sweetie, your argument doesn't make any sense >he's been btfo mother, you don't understand 4chan. Anonymous
>>1232898 I don't accept any gender affirmative care.
I don't care.
I think it is great that all of these fools are getting their giblets and plumbs removed... It is helping to keep the gene pool clean!
Speaking of... When is your surgery scheduled for? -Make sure they take off both heads!
Anonymous
>>1233191 lol no one cares what you think, Anon, they're going to do it anyway
Anonymous
>>1233192 Whew.... That's a relief! I wouldn't want to discourage any of them from seeking 'gender affirmation care'!
I want them to make sure they are nice and sterilized, before they shit-up the gene pool and destroy more families and lives!
Fucking kys and save the rest of us from your sickness!
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>>1233194 Make sure you decline anesthesia too my troon...get every bit of the experience you are paying for!
Don't forget to have them put your fly rod and sinkers in a mason jar for you to take home and put on your nightstand, so you can look at them each night, when you are trying to go to sleep.
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>>1233169 Yeah man, you're at a real meeting of the minds here. There is no winning or losing to be had.
Anonymous
There are only 2 genders. Man and Woman.. everyone saying otherwise knows deep down the are wrong. Get your attention while you can i guess but dont make everyone else play along with your stupid lies....
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>>1233203 >My internal perception of my personality is an indicator of my sexual gender. OK, psycho.
Anonymous
>>1233213 Gender roles aren't always binary, it depends on the society, and examples go back to prehistory. Look at the descriptions of certain big bodies for example, since everyone already knows about intersexuality in Indian culture
Anonymous
>>1233153 It's not crazy when doctors over prescribed opioids to people who didn't need that many or medicine that strong though, is it?
Anonymous
>>1233214 Doesn't matter. There's only cocks and vaginas in the end.
Fuck off.
>What about BIRTH DEFECTS!!!!! Fuck off harder, faggot.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>1233304 you're doing a great job of exemplifying your expertise, so much medical terminology in your posts
Anonymous
if you sign the consent form for the surgery it's on you. it's no different than a fucking credit card. read the fine print and don't let a doctor cut your boobs off if you aren't absolutely sure. it's not fucking complicated
Anonymous
>>1233332 >Zero retort I accept your concession.
Anonymous
>>1233395 I'd argue that someone who believes they need their body disfigured isn't of sound mind and thusly shouldn't be held to contractual obligations.
Meaning, the self-harm she inflicted on herself is not her fault. She needed actual psychological help, not a legal means to disfigure herself.
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>>1233399 my retort is that you are a proverbial zero, very good
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>>1233395 >I don't know what "informed consent" is already addressed in this thread:
>>1233072 >no different than a fucking credit card actually yes it is very different you idiot.
>read the fine print fine print is not informed consent
>it's not fucking complicated yet here you are being completely wrong about everything.
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>>1233402 There aren't any good posts ITT. Yours is the worst.
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>>1233301 >s not crazy when doctors over prescribed opioids to people who didn't need that many or medicine that strong though, is it? Just ask Rush Limburger.
...oh wait.
Anonymous
>>1233426 I don't know why you hate him so much.
He's the only reason authoritarians who jump at the beck and call of corporate ad campaigns are called "liberals".
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>samefag
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>>1233448 he's also the reason a bunch Dominican men have nightmares about a huge fat windbag assraping them for money when they were young boys
Anonymous
>>1232806 I learned in this thread that /pol/lacks know nothing about medicine or mental illness and are also really, really, really obsessed with trannies.
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>>1233502 >angry troon noises Anonymous
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>>1233515 >troon obsession noises Anonymous
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>>1233502 >t. woman who thinks she's a man or man who thinks he's a woman Anonymous
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>>1232953 The elementary school down the street from me has been flying a transgender flag the past few years. Elementary school. That's what people mean by that.
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>>1232821 >You have no authority or education on this topic You only need to read the Hippocratic oath that those doctors take and then break to know what is right. The oath is simple to understand
