Zelenksy the Mad, the First of His Name, and Ruler of Ashes, is despondent as his eastern front is collapsing as hundreds of thousands of conscripted Ukrainians flee the front lines.
Washington announces that Ukraine must begin drafting 18 year olds.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-desertion-russia-war-1993760 Number of Ukrainian Soldiers Accused of Abandoning Positions Soars
he number of Ukrainian soldiers deserting their positions has soared in 2024, according to a new report, as Kyiv contends with persistent Russian advances and uncertainty over what the new year will hold for its war effort.
More Ukrainian soldiers deserted between January and the end of October this year than in the previous two years of full-scale war with Russia, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.
Kyiv prosecutors opened 60,000 cases against soldiers for leaving their positions between the start of the year and October, according to the report, totaling nearly twice the number in 2022 and 2023 combined.
Over 100,000 soldiers have been charged for desertion since February 2022, The Associated Press reported late last month, citing Ukraine's prosecutor general's office. Newsweek has reached out to the Ukrainian military for comment via email.
Throughout 2024, Moscow has made significant gains in Ukraine's east, advancing at its fastest pace since the early weeks of the war and claiming key settlements like Avdiivka, a former Ukrainian stronghold in the eastern Donetsk region, in February. The Kremlin is now threatened Pokrovsk, a strategic hub for Ukrainian troops not far from the Donetsk border with the neighboring Dnipropetrovsk region.
A senior Washington administration official said last week that Kyiv should weigh up lowering its mobilization age to as young as 18 to quickly funnel more troops into its military. Lowering the draft age is highly controversial, and Ukraine pulled down the age of draft-eligible men from 27 to 25 in April.
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Dmytro Lytvyn, Ukrainian President Zelensky's communication adviser, said in a post to social media that it "doesn't make sense" that Kyiv was facing calls to lower the mobilization age "presumably in order to draft more people, when we can see that previously announced equipment is not arriving on time." "Because of these delays, Ukraine lacks weapons to equip already mobilized soldiers," Lytvyn said. "We cannot compensate for our partners' delays in decision-making and supply chains with the lives of our soldiers and of the youngest of our guys," an unnamed source in Ukraine's presidential office told Reuters. "Mobilization and more manpower could make a significant difference at this time as we look at the battlefield today," the U.S. official said. It's not yet clear what president-elect Donald Trump's policy toward Ukraine will be once he is inaugurated in January, sweeping back into the White House off the back of promises to cut aid to Ukraine and wrap up the conflict in a single day. Desertion among Ukraine's military was one of the main reasons for the loss of the Ukrainian bastion town, Vuhledar, in October, an anonymous officer with Ukraine's 72nd Brigade told the AP. "It is clear that now, frankly speaking, we have already squeezed the maximum out of our people," the officer said. Ukrainian authorities prefer not to press charges against soldiers who abandon their posts, only doing so if the fighters do not return, three Ukrainian military officers and a spokesperson for Ukraine's State Bureau of Investigation law enforcement agency told the AP.
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>>1365268 There really is no way in hell Ukraine is going to win this, never was. Really the US just used them as a tool to try to spite russia
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>>1365274 We should have just let Putin ethnically cleanse them.
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>>1365276 Ethnically cleans them? He's there protecting the Russian ethnics in the eastern province from the ethnic cleansing campaigns of ukraine
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>>1365268 Let me get this straight, we're all going to die because people who are ethnically Russian, and speak Russian, want to be a part of Russia, and America can't allow that?
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>>1365284 Why are you angry?
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itt shills get paid less than pennies to pretend russia is strong
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>>1365280 By ethnically cleansing the non-Russians.
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>>1365297 They started it.
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>>1365290 Russia is winning. You can pretend otherwise, but I'm just stating the facts
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>>1365298 How? By passing some language laws that dictate Ukrainian will be used for official documents? How does that justify gunning down townsfolk in the middle of main street or Izium? Or are you going to bring up some conspiracy about bioweapon factories developing pathogens that only target those with Russian genetics?
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>>1365301 >How does that justify gunning down townsfolk in the middle of main street or Izium? Hasn't that been pretty much what Ukraine has been doing to the Russian territories in eastern Ukraine before Russia intervened?
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>>1365301 cope libtard. you are losing. people are rejecting globalism and humanism and empathism around the world. russia is a nation that is rising after a period of decadence. as all such nations it must expand its borders and protect its people to form a great empire.
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>>1365299 russia has never won without western support. aside from the rare exception such as charles xii
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>>1365288 Because your coworker already posted tjis thread on /b/. At least change the text a little, lazy vatnigger. Worry about the drone that just gave your position to Ukrai ian arty.
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>>1365303 No, retard. You vatniks just keep saying that with no evidence. You know, how Russia did in the past like Georgia and Chechnya?
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>>1365306 >russia has never won without western support. aside from the rare exception such as charles xii There was also that time they devastated Napoleon, who was strong enough to take down the holy Roman empire.
They also took Berlin on their own, single handedly ending Nazi rule in Europe. Don't think the allies were even in Germany when the soviet's toppled berlin
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>>1365303 If Russians had ANY evidence of such Ukrainian action, they would immediately present them to the UN, ECHR, ICJ and other institutions - but no, they never formally brought it to court. They did say Ukraine was committing genocide as a post-hoc justification, but when the OSCE and ICJ investigated, they found no proof of Putin's claims.
On the other hand, Russia has a history of fucking up Ukraine (Holodomor) and the population in Crimea has fallen from about 510,000 in 2013 to just 170,000 in 2021.
Finally, why should we take Putin at his word? The main is a liar. See the run-up to the first invasion, where he said he wasn't going to do it, then tried to gaslight everyone into believing it weren't his boys in Crimea, before smugly admitting to and bragging about the op several months later.
>>1365306 I think they have this, especially once sanctions are eased up next month.
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>>1365320 Weather played a significant part in both of those victories.
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>>1365321 >especially once sanctions are eased up next month. if it happens, that's western support
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>>1365306 >>1365323 You know, I think you're right. Every single major war they've fought that I can think of from the Mongols onward has been them getting kicked in the face. If they beat the enemy, it's always with a horrible K:D ratio. One thing I'll give them credit for is that they're stubborn and expect to be treated like shit, meaning that they can eat casualty rates and horrific conditions and keep on going where many other militaries would dissolve with half as much hardship and death.
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>>1365331 I would say it would depend on the period for Russia
1200-1720: weren't all that united, the start of any war with a foreign power would quickly devolve into local princes raiding their neighbors
1720-1820: they were legitimately tied with Britain and France as the most powerful military in Europe
1820-1917: stagnation and corruption reduced them significantly to a second rate power by the early 20th century
1921-1939: Improvements to heavy industry but failure to reduce corruption
1945-1964: Reduction of corruption and highly experienced military corps making them almost a military equal to America (by far the strongest they ever were).
1964-1991: Slowly reverts into deep corruption and R&D begins to suffer as a result
Post 1991 it's basically just varying levels of clusterfuck
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>>1365322 What the fuck did "the west" do to help Russia when Napoleon had his shit kicked in while invading their country?
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>>1365338 They weren't doing that badly in the 1400s-1600s as they were able to beat back the Ottomans, who had the best of the time.
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>>1365339 Well, the British were really fucking up France at the time as well.
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>>1365338 basically the only time they were militarily stronger than the west was the metternich era, which didn't last long. and they were in the process of collapsing during that period
putin says no more US carpetbagger
Why won't these Ucraneians die for ,Uncle Sam?
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>>1365350 Washington is asking themselves the same question
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>>1365341 Napoleon was utterly destroyed after facing Russia, not the UK.
Are you asking for a conflict in which no two countries in the world were involved except for Russia and one other, and that is the only case which you will consider? It's like you are setting some sort of arbitrary bar here to exclude 99% of everything acting like I give a fuck
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>>1365362 >Napoleon was utterly destroyed after facing Russia during which coalition, again?
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Ukraine is super unpopular with the American people now. Every major event this year was followed by another headline sending billions to Ukraine. NC was destroyed and neither Biden or Harris did anything, but Ukraine got billions more that week. Hopefully Trump ends all funding and let's then get conquered.
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>>1365366 The French invasion of Russia. By Napoleon.
UK isn't even listed as a belligerent
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>>1365370 Like holy fuck dude. Just glancing at Wikipedia it was like 9 countries led by France vs Russia and the 9 countries lost so bad that France collapsed and Napoleon was exiled.
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>>1365372 the 6th coalition. that's right. feel free to ctrl + f
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>>1365380 It doesn't appear at all on that page.
Feel free to Ctrl+f, retard
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>>1365383 sorry you're retarded
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>>1365387 I'm sorry that you can't admit simple facts like "Russia won"
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>>1365391 yeah, they won february 27, 2022, right?
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>>1365401 They haven't lost. Maybe you haven't read the op but Ukraines eastern line is collapsing and washington is telling them to conscript young men now.
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>>1365406 they lost quite a bit, actually. an astounding amount, to be honest
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>>1365412 48 more hours until Kyiv falls
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>>1365413 525600 minutes until a bipolar world
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>>1365268 >60,000 cases against soldiers for leaving their positions between the start of the year and October Literally little League numbers.
We have that 2x as many people desert south America every month as they flee into our country
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>>1365274 >never was of course there was and I'd argue there still is a chance it is. The big western supporters just never wanted it to win and/or didn't have a cohesive plan to make it happen. I've been ranting about this for years now.
>>1365280 >>1365283 2022 called and wants their propaganda script back, haven't you guys been keeping up?
>>1365299 In a big picture sense Russia has arguably already lost, even if Ukraine surrenders unconditionally tomorrow.
Also don't pretend like Russia has no problems here, otherwise how come they are trying tooth and nail to throw Ukraine out of Kursk with massive casualties before Trump comes into office for instance.
>>1365297 How come all the Russian speakers in Kharkiv, Odessa and Mariupol where perfectly fine until Russia started bombing them in 2022? How convenient that your alleged Ukrainian genocide only happened in the areas occupied by Russia.
>>1365268 >>1365406 You lads really need to read up on what "collapsing" means.
It's not looking good, but just because the front is moving faster than the snail's pace of last year, doesn't mean it's collapsing you silly idiots
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>>1365460 Oh my, another lefty having by a melty
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>>1365478 Funny how you probably can't point out a single thing I've said that is left wing
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>>1365499 Getting involved in foreign affairs is left wing. Sanctioning Russia is left wing. Hell, only lefties hate Russia and want to see it fail.
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>>1365500 What's the freedom loving conservative rationale for thinking that Russia is good? I thought that was a tankie/campist (leftist) position.
I get 1st dibs on bomb shelter(LG)
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>>1365361 10 ucraneian soldier lives = 1 US soldier's life.1 US senators life = 10k US soldier's life. Lindsey Graham arithmetic.
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>>1365500 >foreign affairs dunno man, I'm European, so this isn't very foreign to me
>Sanctioning Russia is left wing why?
>only lefties hate Russia and want to see it fail In my country one of the most influential 5th columnists is a far left party so I'm not sure that tracks.
I'm getting the feeling you're building your world view solely around opposing what "the left" is for without doing any thinking on your own.
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>>1365268 Things really are looking bad for Ukraine right now
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>>1365500 It's actually conservatives who believe in peace through strength while the left try to solve things though wishy-washy agreements that foreign dictators very often trample over.
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>>1365918 Republicans are the ones pushing ass backwards isolationism like it's the 20th century. Basically falling asleep at the wheel so China and Russia can carve up the entire world. Weak.
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>>1366370 >Republicans are the ones pushing ass backwards isolationism like it's the 20th century as opposed to military imperialism, which is something the Democrats pretend to hate when it suits them