Please welcome the new Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5106171-pete-hegseth-defense-secretary-confirmed/ Vance breaks tie to confirm Pete Hegseth as Defense secretary
Vice President Vance on Friday broke a Senate tie to confirm Pete Hegseth as President Trump’s secretary of Defense, capping a bruising two-month fight over the nominee, who faced a litany of allegations that included sexual misconduct, financial mismanagement and excessive drinking.
GOP Sens. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Susan Collins (Maine) and Mitch McConnell (Ky.) voted “no,” forcing Vance to step in and break the 50-50 tie. Murkowski and Collins had telegraphed their votes, but McConnell’s emerged as a surprise.
It is believed to be only the second time in history a vice president has had to break a tie on a nominee. Former Vice President Mike Pence broke a tie to confirm Betsy DeVos as secretary of Education in 2017.
McConnell, surprised colleagues by opposing Hegseth on the final confirmation vote after voting to advance his nomination Thursday.
He said he didn’t have confidence in the nominee’s ability to lead the nation’s military at a time of growing threats abroad.
“Mere desire to be a ‘change agent’ is not enough to fill these shoes. And ‘dust on boots’ fails even to distinguish this nominee from multiple predecessors of the last decade,” McConnell, the chairman of the Senate Defense Appropriations Committee, said in a statement.
He said that Hegseth had “failed, as yet, to demonstrate that he will pass” the “test” of managing a military with nearly 3 million employees and an annual budget of nearly $1 trillion.
And he said Hegseth’s answers at a confirmation hearing didn’t show much substance.
Hegseth, a former infantry officer in the Army National Guard who was awarded two Bronze Stars and later became a host at Fox News, is set to become the second-youngest secretary of Defense in history.
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He is expected to aggressively pursue Trump’s agenda for the Pentagon, which includes eradication of DEI programs and an office established by former President Biden to protect civilians in war zones.
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>>1377121 >fire every officer in military >replace with /ourguys/ from /k/ and /pol/ >declare insurrection act >leftist will never have power ever again >conquer mexico, Canada, greenland >1000 year empire Make it happen!
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>>1377146 Based. A good war would toughen up the zoomers and alphas, boost our economy, make the Euroids gtfo, and prep us for the war with China.
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>>1377121 This guy wants our kids to die in a war for Israel. I legitimately don't understand what his appeal is. The rest of his cabinet picks are alright but why Hegseth?
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>>1377148 His appeal is that he's going to put in place officers who won't protest unloading an M242 bushmaster into a crowd of protesters.
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Republicans are neocon faggots, who knew (everyone knew)
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>>1377121 God, we are so fucked.
>Still winning No, you're losing, same as the rest of us. You just don't realize it.
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>>1377147 This country is going to fall apart. These guys are stripping out all the copper wire and giving it to their friends, and you guys are all too dumb to realize.
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>>1377148 >why Hegseth? I think you mean why a Republican, (because you guys would literally make up the same bullshit no matter who the nominee is) and the answer is because Trump won.
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>>1377159 You seriously couldn't find a single general with republican leanings? Or at least someone who didn't have a history of alcohol and spousal abuse?
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>>1377146 >fire every officer in military Just every general more interested in being a politician than serving their country. General Milley should've been immediately fired for his insubordination to both Trump and Biden - and should have been jailed for his talks with China - but because he was pro-BLM during the "fiery but peaceful" protests of 2020, the left looks at him like he's some kind of hero.
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>>1377165 >Just every general more interested in being a politician than serving their country You mean like, the guy who you literally just put as secretary of defense who literally dropped out of the military to be a fox news host?
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>>1377146 >/ourguys/ >>1377147 Every second you're not at the nearest US Armed Forces recruitment offices to sign up, you prove how much of a coward you are as Bone Spurs Trump was re. Vietnam. A certain someone who served there as well as Korea, even in WWII: a USAAF air ace who shot down 5 Luftwaffe planes in one day, and even fought with the Resistance in France.
Gee: I wonder why Republican voter Gen. Chuck Yeager refused to endorse Trump?
Rightard hypocrisy. It's a hell of a drug.
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>>1377166 lol this is fucking incredible. I truly hate you people. Imagine having a fucking traitor like Milley, who was partially responsible for 13 of our soldiers getting killed as we're leaving Afghanistan, and you're seriously trying to compare someone who got a job after getting out of the military (only to rejoin the National Guard years later). Go fuck yourself.
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>>1377171 >you're seriously trying to compare someone who got a job after getting out of the military (only to rejoin the National Guard years later) Reminder as soon as Hegseth left Iraq, he joined Vets For Freedom as a treasurer. Under his leadership, they wound up half a million in debt because they spent all their money on parties.
After he re-enlisted and went to Afghanistan, he returned and joined another vet organization and proceeded to hire his brother as a nepotism hire, repeatedly got drunk, and harassed their female members until he was finally forced to resign two years later.
When he joined the national guard, he had to be removed from any details that would involve Biden due to a security risk, then resigned because they took issue with his tattoos.
He's a fuckin disgrace who never made it past major and every time he's been in a vet organization he proceeded to be so corrupt and stupid it almost bankrupted them.
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>>1377172 >When he joined the national guard, he had to be removed from any details that would involve Biden due to a security risk, then resigned because they took issue with his tattoos. Yeah I'm so glad you brought this part up. Because he had a stupid "Deus Vult" tattoo on his arm, he was labeled as an extremist and labeled as a security risk without a shred of proof. I find it amazing that the same people are complaining now about Trump using favoritism to put unqualified people in positions, and removing everyone else, when Biden did the same fucking thing.
Also tell me you're the same faggot that kicked people out of the military for having tattoos without telling me. You're the reason why the Army is more focused on DEI powerpoints and kicking out salty E-6 veterans for swearing too much, than they are at being combat ready.
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>>1377174 >Why would they not want someone with a phase that keeps popping up in white supremacist groups in the national guard They didn't even kick him out. He resigned because they were questioning him about them.
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>>1377172 >they wound up half a million in debt because they spent all their money on parties. You people seriously get all your information from a think tank that takes pieces of facts from public news sources and twists them into lies to slander whoever it is you don't like
I googled your claim, and I just want to show you where it's actually from. You are taking pieces of two different facts and combining them into a single lie, and omit the fact that whatever debt did occur was also paid off(but that's normal for you people now, you are the single greatest source of disinformation in America)
Something Hegseth said regarding drunken sexual allegations:
>“Like veterans returning from any war, we drank beers to manage the reality of what we had faced,” Regarding financial mismanagement
>“We were a bit naive, so we doubled down on our political spending at the very end, when other groups pulled back,” he wrote. “It was a tactical mistake, which left us in debt (like most political campaigns). But I stayed with the organization until all the debt was paid off and outstanding contracts negotiated.” Anonymous
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>>1377176 Not him but you're repeating think tank misinformation right now and you don't even seem to know it.
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>>1377176 >“Like veterans returning from any war, we drank beers to manage the reality of what we had faced,” Yeah they reached out to the org he resigned from. They forced him to because of his alcoholism and harassment of both female vets and employees. He also directed them to ignore sexual assault allegations.
>https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/pete-hegseths-secret-history >“We were a bit naive, so we doubled down on our political spending at the very end, when other groups pulled back,” he wrote. “It was a tactical mistake, which left us in debt (like most political campaigns). But I stayed with the organization until all the debt was paid off and outstanding contracts negotiated.” No he didn't lol. If we're talking about VFF, he got demoted and eventually left in 2012.
Background checks exist for a reason.
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>>1377175 >They didn't even kick him out. I didn't say they did, jackass. They kept him off details because he has a fucking tattoo. Again, you're the same faggot cancer that is killing the Army right now.
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>>1377181 >They kept him off details because he has a fucking tattoo Actually they kept him off because he was labeled as an extremist. That's the label having a white supremacist-associated phrase tattooed on you gets. This also would've happened under Trump's first term, because he was removed from Biden's inauguration.
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>>1377180 >No he didn't lol. Well I provided a direct quote showing otherwise.. your free to provide more than "lol no he didn't"
The New Yorker article doesn't even address anything between the 4 year gap of 2008 when it was in debt, and 2012 when he left the org. It was obviously still functioning that entire time if he was a member of it, it had to be solvent for that to happen
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Democrats can't stand a soldier is leading the defense department, and this soldier doesn't want additional conflict
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>>1377184 >Well I provided a direct quote showing otherwise ...from him. Can you actually produce a report that collaborates him? We already saw him lie about his alcoholism, why should I believe him on this regard?
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>>1377185 >this soldier doesn't want additional conflict >Trump actively threatening to annex greenland >Hegseth literally argued we should ignore the geneva convention ...ok.
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>>1377184 >The New Yorker article doesn't even address anything between the 4 year gap of 2008 when it was in debt, and 2012 when he left the org. Actually it says his resignation from Vets for Freedom was also because of his financial screw ups. This is also collaborated by him being demoted the year before he left.
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>>1377192 Lel. Gotta admit, I lost.
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>>1377190 I guess you're right
I don't really care though tbh.
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>>1377147 Kek send everyone except yourself, coward. C'mon, put your balls where your mouth is.
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>>1377200 >He's innocent >Ok he's made some mistakes but he was honest >Ok he lied but I don't care You're gonna care when we're picking up the pieces in the aftermath.
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>>1377202 >You're gonna care when we're picking up the pieces in the aftermath. Who's "we"? You're getting deported lmao
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>>1377202 Nah honestly I think has the job for his overall positions on isolationism and anti-dei/anti-woke
I don't really care if he partied when he was younger
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>>1377216 This was less than 10 years ago. He misused funds meant for helping fellow veterans for his own benefit. He never got past Major when he was in the service, and he got removed from the NG for being an extremist risk.
You put an alcoholic with no experience in commanding military masses in charge of this country's military.
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>>1377220 >pearl clutching leftoids We should have put the dude in a dress who steals women's clothes from suitcases at the airport in charge, you're totally right.
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>>1377223 How does it feel knowing they had more qualifications than Hegseth.
If that retard was better suited than he is, what the fuck is he going to do?
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>>1377223 He'd actually be the right pick for Secretary of Stealing Women's Suitcases from Airports.
BURN IT ALL DOWN,OUR GUY
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>>1377121 N'yuck N'yuck, now let's expedite Krazee eyed Kash for FBEYE, and the wrassling lady for education. All this winning is giving me a boner under my dress
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>>1377223 This gal gets it
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>>1377154 Nah I think you're just bitter and still seething after 2 and a half months but go off
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>>1377158 It's basically going to be Russia. Just a long chain from top to bottom of people being screwed and then screwing over others. Sure, atomized, low trust societies suck at mounting resistance to leadership making them ideal for authoritarian takeover, but they also suck at doing anything on a societal level, which includes fighting wars.
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>>1377183 >Actually they kept him off because he was labeled as an extremist. With no fucking proof. So shut the fuck up about who Trump appoints to positions. I don't want to fucking hear it from you hypocritical cocksuckers.
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>>1377274 >Yeah I'm sure the guy who went on drunken rages about how we should kill all muslims, called for a civil war on twitter and fox news, and has a white supremacist catchphase tattooed on his arm has no leanings whatsoever. Anonymous
>>1377189 >Hegseth literally argued we should ignore the geneva convention >In 2024’s The War on Warriors, Hegseth argues at length that US forces should ignore the Geneva conventions and other elements of international law governing the conduct of war. >In the book, Hegseth asks: “The key question of our generation – of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – is way more complicated: what do you do if your enemy does not honor the Geneva conventions? >“We never got an answer. Only more war. More casualties. And no victory.” >Hegseth’s answer is that the conventions should be ignored. >“What if we treated the enemy the way they treated us?” he asks. “Would that not be an incentive for the other side to reconsider their barbarism? Hey, Al Qaeda: if you surrender, we might spare your life. If you do not, we will rip your arms off and feed them to hogs.” >He then writes: “We are just fighting with one hand behind our back – and the enemy knows it … If our warriors are forced to follow rules arbitrarily and asked to sacrifice more lives so that international tribunals feel better about themselves, aren’t we just better off winning our wars according to our own rules?!” Just when I thought I couldn't like this guy more. Can you explain to me how he's wrong? And then back it up by providing an example of a war we've won in the last 30 years.
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>>1377223 That was still 2 levels down from a cabinet level position though. For how long are you gonna use that guy to excuse shit?
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>>1377279 >Just do war crimes lol Fuck off.
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>>1377276 >DURR THIS GUY HAS A MEME TATTOO GET HIM OUT OF THE MILITARY >Why aren't we winning any wars?!? Yeah heaven forbid a soldier wants to kill people we're at war with. Jesus Christ.
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>>1377288 if you have a tattoo because of a shitpost I don't think you should be in the military either lmao. Deeply unserious individual, not to be trusted with weapons and training.
Also, you ignoring the calls for civil war and the history of drunken ramblings about genocide? The tattoo was the tip of the iceberg.
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>>1377290 >if you have a tattoo because of a shitpost I don't think you should be in the military either Luckily democrat though police are no longer in control. Who tf cares if someone gets a meme tattoo. If someone wants a soyjak or a cobson or a doge who tf cares? Apparently only democrats
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>>1377290 >Deeply unserious individual, not to be trusted with weapons and training. Nigga have you met a soldier ever?
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>>1377291 Tattoos are expressly forbidden by the bible, so no tattoos.
Don't worry, once we get you off the liquor and meth and settle you down with a nice girl you'll understand.
You'll enjoy good wholesome things and like it, because that'll make America Great Again.
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>>1377283 >Other people have to hold themselves to a higher standard and die for my freedom! You fuck off and die.
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>>1377294 >Tattoos are expressly forbidden by the bible Sounds like a you problem, I'm not religious.
Great straw man though, the rest of your post is just rambling about how you don't have an argument.
I'm so glad the thought police like you and your ilk are out of power
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>>1377294 >Tattoos are expressly forbidden by the bible, so no tattoos. Yeah let me fact-check that real quick:
>Most Bible translations do not explicitly address the topic of tattoos, and opinions on the matter may vary among different Christian denominations and interpretations. The closest reference that some people associate with tattoos comes from Leviticus 19:28 in the Old Testament, which states, "You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord." >... In the same chapter, Leviticus 19:27 says, “You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.” Oh would you look at that! Everyone following grooming standards in the military is violating the bible!
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>>1377296 You do actually. "Sink to their level" is a very good way to be on tribunal for war crimes when all is done.
Oh but I'm sure you'd just be following orders, right?
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>>1377297 >>1377300 Its really a shame! America is a Christian Nation, and Trump is leading the charge.
Don't worry, you monkeys will learn to enjoy being quiet, dutiful Christian men.
Castration tends to settle you faggots down.
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>>1377301 >You do actually. "Sink to their level" is a very good way to be on tribunal for war crimes when all is done. Like we did after WW2? Oh wait, guys like Capt. Spiers didn't do time.
It's only in this "modern" military, with never-served faggots like you demanding god-like moral perfection in a war zone, do we have this standard - and you wonder why we keep losing. See Eddie Gallagher, who Hegseth also defended against treasonous faggots like you.
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>>1377302 >I made a dumbass claim and got btfo. Quick! Say a bunch of nonsense to deflect! Anonymous
>>1377304 Just because you have a defective bible is no reason to be a retard.
America will soon become a nice Christian Nation under Trump, and I'll enjoy seeing you monkeys castrated and forced into line.
Too much pornography and fentanyl has got you all riled up.
Trump and MAGA will fix you, don't worry. Its coming. You can't stop it.
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>>1377303 >Cites example of someone who would be locked up in prison today >"see, it's totally le epic and based!" Mistakes of the past need not repeat themselves. Gallagher should still be in prison.
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>>1377306 >Just because you have a defective bible is no reason to be a retard. Hey asshole, you're the one who brought the bible up.
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>>1377296 >>1377303 This kind of "it's ok since we only do it to the BAD people" mindset is what got us the police brutality epidemic of today. There reaches a point where the definition of "enemy it's ok to do anything to" begins including anyone who dissents.
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>>1377309 And this kind of mindset of putting everyone on trial for doing their job and firing or jailing actual soldiers is why we can't win wars anymore. Hell even people like Chris Kyle were under investigation for shooting an armed insurgent in Iraq - THE VERY THING HE WAS TRAINED TO DO. And just like police today, soldiers are becoming more worried about covering their ass and staying out of trouble than they are with saving lives and killing people.
Since you brought up police out of nowhere, would you argue that police are more effective at stopping crime today than they were before the Ferguson riots?
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>>1377317 Where does this mindset of "Oh we're too WEAK to win wars anymore" come from.
The main reason stuff like the war in the middle east or even vietnam/korea was such a clusterfuck was because we inserted ourselves into a situation where we were basically fighting against the land itself. We could wipe out individual cells and bases over and over again with ease, but the problem was because we never bothered to understand the actual motivations of the enemy we had no way to stop them from rerecruiting and amassing more support from everyone we caught in the crossfire. Battles were (relatively) easy to win and we never had to worry about any kind of existential threat to us in return since we were fighting overseas.
We haven't been in a war we could conclusively "win" since WW2. Everything else is just the US showing up and rolling people until we leave, at which point 90% of the time it turns out we drove most of the population to the side we were fighting against.
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>>1377308 Don't worry, Trump and MAGA will save you from your porn and fentanyl addiction.
We'll bring you kicking and screaming back to Christ.
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>>1377324 >Where does this mindset of "Oh we're too WEAK to win wars anymore" come from. So we won Afghanistan?
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>>1377327 >Trump and MAGA will save you from your porn and fentanyl addiction lol. lmao even
U sound like ur getting a little salty having to shitpost from your tent behind a Starbucks.
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>>1377340 We could never "win" afghanistan. It was always going to be a matter of "when do we drop out and our government made of glass falls apart right after". It's what happens when you try to intervene in a conflict with no regard for local politics or culture.
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>>1377351 >It's what happens when you try to intervene in a conflict with no regard for local politics or culture. It's also what happens when you punish our own soldiers for doing the right thing. For example:
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2016/04/29/green-beret-who-beat-up-accused-child-rapist-can-stay-in-army/ Anonymous
>>1377358 >That's when he and his captain struck an Afghan local police officer — one who had allegedly confessed to raping a boy and then beating the child's mother for telling authorities. Martland said that he and the detachment commander, Capt. Daniel Quinn, received a "relief for cause" from that 2011 deployment for the assault, according to documentation provided to Army Times. Doesn't surprise me that democrats want to kick people who dislike child molesters out of the army
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>>1377358 >>1377359 >allegedly And if those allegations were false he would've beaten the shit out of an innocent man. There's a reason why we investigate and try people for crimes anons.
Like even in the event the guy is 100% guilty, they still have to make sure he was before they let the guy who assaulted him anywhere near authority. Same protocol for why police officers often get placed on temporary leave for being involved in a shooting, even if it's justified.
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>>1377360 >And if those allegations were false he would've beaten the shit out of an innocent man. There's a reason why we investigate and try people for crimes anons. Except they did investigate, knew that the soldier did the right thing, and still tried to kick him out anyways. The only reason why this got reversed is because it ended up in the media and there wasn't a single thing anyone could point to that he did wrong. This is the problem.
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>>1377363 >The Army Board for Correction of Military Records reviewed Martland's case and decided to remove the soldier from the QMP list, confirmed Army spokesman Lt. Col. Jerry Pionk in an emailed statement Thursday night.The board's action "will allow him to remain in the Army," Pionk said. Where are you getting that idea from? It's not like he didn't disobey protocol, you can't just lose your cool like that regardless of circumstances, they just found it was justified and removed it from his record after a few months of review.
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>>1377364 >they just found it was justified and removed it from his record after a few months of review They found it was justified in 2011 and then under biden's leadership dug it back up 10 years later and tried to fire him for it
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>>1377367 That's not what your own link says in any way. All it says is he got a black mark on his record in 2011, it would've gotten him kicked out of service in 2015/16, then they reviewed it and expunged it.
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>>1377364 >Where are you getting that idea from? Read the goddamn article. Fuck, I'll just tl;dr what happened for you.
>soldier beats the shit out of rapist >Army says you made us look bad, we're kicking you out >also we're putting a gag order on you because this would be bad for morale >he appeals it >Fox News finds out about it >people get pissed off >Republicans in congress start asking questions >Even Hollywood actors like Harvey Keitel say this is fucked up >Army reverses their decision, let the soldier stay in (the other involved already got out) Anonymous
>>1377367 >then under biden's leadership dug it back up 10 years later It got dug up in 2016. That would've been under Obama going into Trump's presidency.
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>>1377371 ...where does it say that in your own article?
Nothing about a gag order, Fox News gets one mention as the source he spoke under, and he didn't even start getting kicked out for the black spot until 4 years later. The only issue seems to be that he got flagged as beating the shit out of an local afghan officer and they never got around to reviewing context until he was set to get automatically kicked due to the black mark.
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>>1377369 >That's not what your own link says in any way It's not my link, but you are demonstrably wrong.
The link posted by the anon states >"Martland said that he and the detachment commander, Capt. Daniel Quinn, received a "relief for cause" from that 2011 deployment for the assault, according to documentation provided to Army Times."
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>>1377372 Ah well, my bad. I was just reading the article anon posted that said it was investigated in 2011 and he was granted a "relief for cause" by the commander
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>>1377375 ...that's the black mark on his record. Nothing about a gag order, nothing about 10 years later, and nothing about Biden.
