https://www.nbcnews.com/news/pump-prices-set-rise-trump-tariffs-hit-canadian-mexican-oil-rcna190320 U.S. consumers will see higher prices at the gas pump from President Donald Trump’s decision on Saturday to apply tariffs on Canadian and Mexican oil, according to analysts and fuel traders.
The likely hike in fuel prices reflects the double-edged nature of Trump’s trade protections which are designed to bolster domestic business and pressure U.S. neighbors to curb illegal immigration and drug smuggling, but which will also run counter to his promises to tackle inflation.
The U.S. imports some 4 million barrels per day of Canadian oil, 70% of which is processed by refiners in the Midwest. It also imports over 450,000 bpd of Mexican oil, mainly for refiners concentrated around the U.S. Gulf Coast.
Tariffs on those imports mean higher costs for making finished fuels like gasoline, much of which is likely to be passed along to U.S. consumers.
“Expect fuel prices will rise noticeably if oil and refined products are not exempt,” GasBuddy analyst Patrick De Haan said in a post on social media. He told Reuters in a telephone interview the hit to consumers will get worse the longer the tariffs drag on.
The American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers Association, which represents U.S. refining companies, said on Saturday it hopes the tariffs are lifted before consumers start to feel the impact.
Trump on Saturday ordered 25% tariffs on Canadian and Mexican imports and 10% on goods from China starting on Tuesday to address a national emergency over fentanyl and illegal aliens entering the U.S., White House officials said.
Energy products from Canada will have only a 10% duty, but Mexican energy imports will be charged the full 25%, the officials told reporters.
Trump had initially planned a 25% tariff on all goods from Canada and Mexico but cut the Canadian oil tariff in an effort to ease the impact on energy prices, the officials said.
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The developments are set to upend a symbiotic oil trade between the U.S. and its neighbors: Many U.S. refineries are geared to churn the type of heavy and medium crude oil grades Canada produces, for example, and Canada’s oil output exceeds its current demand. “Someone is going to get kind of hurt here,” Wells Fargo Investment Institute’s John LaForge told Reuters. “The oil in Alberta doesn’t have much of an option where it goes, and the refiners in the Midwest don’t have much of an option on where they get the feedstock,” he said. Gulf Coast refiners, who unlike Midwest refiners have access to seaborne cargoes, were likely to have an easier time finding replacements for the Mexican crude oil grades. Companies involved in the wholesale fuel market said they have little choice but to pass on the added cost to consumers, especially as the post-COVID surge in fuel margins has faded away amid oversupply and weakening demand growth. “We’re in a kind of hand to mouth situation here,” said Alex Ryan, energy director at Kansas-based Oasis Energy, which operates a travel store and partially owns a fuel retailing convenience store. Ryan said his team, which also supplies fuel to other markets, is still waiting for feedback from refiners on the estimated cost increase. “Whatever the cost is, ultimately it ends up in the consumer’s lap, and there’s nothing we can do about it,” Ryan said. East Coast drivers could also feel the crunch. The region’s refining capacity meets just about half the daily fuel demand, and the rest is met mainly by the Colonial Pipeline, which pumps over 100 million barrels of fuel daily from the Gulf Coast. But that pipeline is almost always full. In periods of high demand, Irving Oil’s St. John’s refinery in New Brunswick has been the main swing supplier to the East Coast. Those imports will be subject to the 10% levy.
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The East Coast will either have to bear the additional cost of importing from Canada, or turn to European fuel imports to make up for shortfalls, De Haan said. At Midwestern pumps, the effect of the tariffs could be more delayed as refiners there have been producing fuel at elevated rates and have also been stockpiling Canadian oil in recent months, analysts said. Even so, the tariffs are set to raise costs. “Any way you cut it, you’re looking at higher prices,” Wells Fargo’s LaForge said.
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>>1379915 The real problem are all the parasites eating the food, 80 million leftist parasites that produce nothing and just shouldn't be alive.
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>>1379918 What if divisive rhetoric is the problem?
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>>1379915 Higher gas prices means higher prices of literally everything. Combine that with tariffs from Canada on raw materials like lumber and metals and prices for almost everything are about to go way way up.
>>1379918 That's how Trump sees it. But he doesn't care about left or right really, unless you bring in at least 500K a year where these price hikes won't affect you, you are the parasite he wants squeezed to death.
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>>1379920 >Higher gas prices means higher prices of literally everything. That's not what everyone supporting Biden said.
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>>1379922 I wouldn't really know or care what people supporting Biden said. I just know as a Canadian the new US president has said he wants to take over Canada and make it part of the US by means of economic warfare. We are ready for that because it's what we already expected from them. Are the Trump voters who believed hos promise of lower costs of living going to be happy when his actions cause thrm direct harm? You tell me.
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>>1379923 >as a Canadian Hahahahaha! Your opinion doesn't even matter, eh.
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>>1379925 I'm just explaining, we're not the ones who are going to really suffer in this trade war. If you're in the US and not very wealthy you are fucked.
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>>1379923 >I wouldn't really know or care what people supporting Biden said. Well then just take my word for it there bud. It goes like this:
>Biden gets into office >raises gas prices >his followers downplay it >"durr the president doesn't control gas prices durr" >continue to play dumb until Biden leaves office >as soon as Trump gets in, "Look at the gas prices! This is going to increase the cost of everything!" Notice how faggot OP used a pic of eggs? Same shit.
>Biden gets into office >raises the cost of living >raises the cost of groceries >his followers downplay it >"durr they're just eggs we have best economy you just don't know how it works muh unemployments muh wage increase" >continue to play dumb until Biden leaves office >as soon as Trump gets in, "Look at the egg prices! Why hasn't he fixed this yet? I can't afford to eat!" Anonymous
>>1379932 >Biden personally told Exxon, shell, Chevron, etc to raise gas prices just for fun, let's ignore everything from covid aftereffects to the middle eastern & European conflicts >Biden personally went to chicken farmers and told them to keep their birds in unsanitary conditions to promote the spread of bird flu and require culling wow, I can't believe Biden did that!
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>>1379932 That's nice. What I care about is that six months ago Canada and the US were close allies with the longest undefended border in the world. Now the president has declared literal war on us saying he plans to impose tariffs until Canada is economically forced to join the US.
So your little "Biden did this, Biden did that" partisan bullshit means nothing to me. Your president declared war, we are responding. Bur it's going to be far, far worse for average Americans than Canadians.
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>>1379938 Oh but we're also
>Declaring war on the cartels in mexico >threatening military action against Panema >threatening military action against Greenland So practically overnight we went from at most supporting wars by proxy, to having active conflict on both our land borders and threatening two other countries with military action. Pro-peace president everyone.
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>>1379933 See what I mean Canada Anon?
>>Biden personally told Exxon, shell, Chevron, etc to raise gas prices just for fun >Biden quoted at least twice claiming he will get rid of fossil fuel companies >Biden gets into office and day 1 attacks oil >kills Keystone XL >bans development in Alaska >bans in the gulf Mexico/America until a judge slaps him >increases taxes and royalties on oil production >increases EPA regulations, rejoins Paris Accord >pushes green energy deals that do fuck all >moratorium on new oil and gas leases on public lands >bans oil trade with Russia >a hundred other things I could list, but for post limits >price skyrockets >he begs OPEC to help >they tell him to fuck off >he gets on his knees for our oil compaines, walks back his restrictions >they get back on the production trend we were already on >"See! We're producing more oil than Trump!" And the same faggots who said the president doesn't control prices will claim Trump controls prices now.
Now as for your post here
>>1379938 I'm not too worried about it, because Trump is already getting rid of Biden's policies, and if his 2016 record is anything to go on I expect gas prices to be lower by next year than they are today.
As for lumber and metals, I don't know so probably have a point.
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>>1379942 Nobody has declared war you retard. a trade war is no different from economic pressure
Faggot. You know this though and you are too retarded to admit the plain truth
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>>1379942 Rightwingers are experts in doublethink
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>>1379942 >Declaring war on the cartels in mexico I actually support this. That's a conflict worth fighting which would directly benefit America of all social classes.
Trump will clean up the fentanyl democrats have been letting pour into the country no matter how much they cry and scream about it.
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>>1379946 Yeah because America intervening in a foreign country to stop a terrorist group has gone so well in the past.
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>>1379944 Why shouldn't they treat this like an potential foreign invasion? Trump said outright that the purpose was to try and make them part of the US, and he's unreliable enough that military action shouldn't be taken off the table as an escalation.
They'd absolutely be correct to reinforce their border with us.
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>>1379947 No matter how much you hate the idea of it, you are going to lose access to fentanyl during Trump's presidency as he cracks down on the fentanyl epidemic
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>>1379950 So that means fentanyl abuse is going to double, and Trump will say the war on drugs is won. And you idiots will believe it.
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>>1379953 >TAKE THAT!! LITTLE DONNIE dRUMPf!!! You exclaim as you indulge in your newly acquired fent habit you picked up to make Trump look bad.
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>>1379959 Kek. Lmao. It's probably true hahaha
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>>1379943 >prevents some long term development (5-10 years before that oil is drilled/refined/impacting the market) >This means gas is super expensive now Don't look up how much oil the US exports or the profits of oil companies over the last 4 years anon, or you might actually find out why there are record gas prices.
trueDOH lame duck don't give a fuck
>>1379915 Canadian oil ships to ChyyyNa NOW!
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>>1379965 >if I ignore the mile-long list of dumb shit Biden has done to fuck gas prices people will believe me when I say he had nothing to do with them Anonymous
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>>1379959 >>1379962 Go jerk yourself off somewhere else
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Good. Gas prices are too low and everyone should be paying double what they already are. I voted for this and would again.
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>>1379932 if Trump is going to be no different, or worse, on gas or egg prices then why did anyone vote for him?
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>>1379972 We should be paying higher gas prices because car users should be paying for the externalities, not because we're fighting a stupid pointless trade war with our best ally.
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>>1379969 so are oil companies hurting or are they making record profits?
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>>1379985 Corporate profits have skyrocketed across the board for ten or more years now. They reached record highs last year.
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>>1379985 Were gas prices higher under Trump (2016) or under Biden?
Now watch everyone as he blames covid for the whole thing. Biden's EOs, that were the complete opposite of Trumps, had nothing to do with it.
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>>1379915 Leftists made up this shit abou
>muh eggs It was never about the eggs. We voted for Trump because he would be our hammer and vengeance. Don't give a shit if prices go up or down. I could be living in a dogshack and it'd be a worth price if it meant I didn't have to put up with my libtard sister and all the other leftists in my life.
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>>1379990 >god damn Stacy making me look bad kek
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>>1379988 >>1379987 I blame oil companies price gouging as well as a refusal of the government to force us to move off of oil permanently. gas could be cheaper except that there oil companies (like all publicly traded companies) are price gougers trying to milk people for every penny they can. and ultimately we should be moving away from oil, as
>>1379984 says I actually don't give a shit about higher gas prices if it pushes us towards a non-fossil grid. ideally nuclear but solar wind hydro have their place ofc. we could have infinite dirt cheap energy without drilling in the ocean or arctic and burning gigatons of gas but apparently people would rather own the libs and drill baby drill
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>>1380093 >we could have infinite dirt cheap energy without drilling in the ocean or arctic and burning gigatons of gas that decision was made by Nixon in 1973. It's a done deal.
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>>1380093 So if oil companies are price gouging so much, being evil fuckers, then why was gas cheaper under Trump who gave them the most leeway to do what they want?
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>>1380097 They didn't have covid to act as the go ahead. Before that they didn't want to pull the trigger because it was risky. Covid pulled it for them and made them realize they could absolutely get away with it.
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>>1379932 If the president controls gas prices, why doesn't trump make it a dollar a gallon, or free?
Are you able to into OPEC and Saudi Arabia being the leader of OPEC and oil and gas being larger than all GLOBAL commodities combined?
1) Biden gave more permits to drill for oil than Trump did.
2) 60% of oil used in America is from Canada, which Trump just taxed 25%.
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>>1379990 It's a war. We all knew what we'd signed up for when we voted for Trump. Gonna be a few years of pain, but it'll be worth it in the end. Trump'll have to suspend elections though as people have to take their medicine. America's been a bad, bad little girl, and now daddy is home, and daddy is pissed. Daddy is so pissed that it's only his love for his drug addicted daughter that's keeping him from wringing her neck. Now it's time for him to tar her ass down to the bone, because that's what she gets for being a little hell spawn. Daddy's angry, and he's not showing any mercy.
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>>1380095 That decision allowed us to get away from the gold standard and is why we have the amazing economy since then.
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>>1380104 You keep shit posting this leftfag
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>>1380103 Hey man, I'll be honest.
I support a 25% raise in gas prices if it's purpose is to put pressure on foreign governments who are allowing fentanyl to come into the United States much more than I support a 75% raise in gas prices under Biden because of no reason
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>>1380108 even if he a marxist he is still right
america needs shock therapy to get rid of all the dei and socialism
it is insane that we have tax dollars drained to medicare and aid and SS
why do we reward medocer like that.
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>>1380109 >he thinks gas prices are only going up 25% Anonymous
>>1380109 But we were all told fentanyl was coming in from the south border by brown people. Now it's from canada? Seems like they don't know where it's coming from, and god forbid a white American is offered a ridiculous amount of money to border cross legally and smuggle it. Just a little bit of the stuff goes a long way, right? And if fentanyl goes away by all of this, we can now do heroin and coke safely? It's all very confusing as the lies keep changing.
>75% raise in gas prices under Biden because of no reason global pandemic.
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>>1380104 Based Tucker bro. People don't like the daddyshit, but his metaphor about America being a sick child in need of punishment was right.
>>1380108 If you don't think America doesn't deserve some punishment for letting democrats run all over this country, then you are either a leftist yourself or a cuckservative.
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>>1380112 >to get rid of all the dei man, whatever trump says youll eat up. last year it was WOKE, then before that it was drag queens reading to kids. Now it's dei.
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>>1380115 >global pandemic. >still repeating the fake virus conspiracy It's all in your mind. It never happened. Most sane people will say the same. If the pandemic really happened like some delusional nitwits said, then how did Trump get reelected? You think people would have remembered such an event? No, because it simply did not occur and is being fabricated in the minds of those who drank the fluorine.
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>>1380118 Literally every country on the planet disagrees with you.
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>>1380100 Gas prices were lowest under covid though, and since nobody was driving anywhere nobody was buying their product... Make that make sense.
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>>1380103 >If the president controls gas prices Here we go. More bullshit about how Biden doesn't control gas prices as if his multiple attacks on oil production didn't have an effect.
>why doesn't trump make it a dollar a gallon, or free? Why was gas so cheap in 2019? Here's a hint: look at Trump's EOs and compare them to Bidens.
>Biden gave more permits to drill for oil than Trump did. And employees surveyed said they weren't going to risk building more infrastructure while Biden is in office after he demonstrated he could kill a multi-billion dollar project on a fucking whim. But please keep pretending Biden dindu nuffin. Why stop now?
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>>1380130 Let me lay it out
>No one uses gas during covid >gas supplies build up >Now they're not actually making money even though they still have to pay for the storage and refinement of gas at the same rate >so when that surplus is used now they have to suddenly ramp back up >prices go up to balance this shift out >realize they can actually make prices go much higher without any risk of backlash >make prices even higher than they need to be to make record levels of profit Anonymous
>>1379990 Nobody has answered why people deserve lower prices? We coddle the lower classes too much in this country. They need to feel some pain to motivate them to do better.
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>>1380134 Hmmm.
Think we'd rather hang you from the gallows first. More of us than you.
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>>1380136 >More of us than you. lol
lmao
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>>1380131 >as if his multiple attacks on oil production didn't have an effect. que the keystone pipeline that was never a factor ever
2019 gas prices average 2.60; 3.19 adjusted for inflation.
2024 gas price average 3.30
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All this tarrif shit is a literal nothingburger that all the normals slurped up from the mainstream news like the sheep they are. Have faith in Trump. The man is a troll. He is also one of the most smartest and hard working leader in over a hundred years.
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>>1380144 Pretty much this tho. I'm much happier paying a 20% tariff on fuel to help get fentanyl off the streets than I am with the 100% inflation on gas under Biden for no fucking benefit to anyone
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>>1380145 I'd see the economy in the dirt if it meant shitting on the libs. My life is fucked thanks to them. I have nothing more to lose. The only satisfaction I can get is seeing those smug pricks have their world blown the fuck up.
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>>1380145 you could put a 100000% tariff on any country you want and fentanyl would still be around.
>>1380149 >My life is fucked thanks to them. GOOD.
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>>1380141 >que the keystone pipeline that was never a factor ever That even opponents of it admitted at least 30% would be used domestically, despite being for export. Also good job ignoring everything else (canceling Alaska, increase taxes, Paris Accords, etc.).
>2019 gas prices average 2.60; 3.19 adjusted for inflation. On a semi-related note, thanks for pointing out how much inflation increased in 5 years.
>2024 gas price average 3.30 I love how you cherry-picked current prices after Biden was forced to walk back a lot of his restrictions... what was the 2022 price again? Over $5/gal in June?
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>>1380156 Yeah but he's not putting the tariff on any country, it's being placed on the three countries mostly responsible for fentanyl being smuggled into America.
If they don't want tariffs, they should start doing more to combat it.
Especially Mexico.
Especially fucking Mexico, more people work for the cartel there than for any other employer.
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>>1380158 anyone telling you how fentanyl comes into america is lying to you. why does it have to be brown migrants with just their shirts on their backs crossing the border? its trump being racist.
there is zero.zero fucking discussion of a white, legal, american being bribed 5 figures to cross a border with it. fentanyl exists, it's potency makes it physically small to move around, there is no putting that toothpaste back in the tube.
>>1380157 inflation is under 3%. it was high after covid as many such cases in every other country. actually usa did fucking great with that under biden compared to other countries, which im sure youll avoid providing those figures.
>I love how you cherry-picked current prices after Biden was forced to walk back a lot of his restrictions... what was the 2022 price again? Over $5/gal in June? what was the price of gas under a republican president from texas that sent us into war in the wrong country for 20 years at a cost of 1 billion usd per 80 hours? that was fine.
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>>1380160 >>1380158 We need to bring fentanyl production back to the US. It is outrageous that America needs to import drugs.
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>>1380160 >inflation is under 3%. it was high after covid as many such cases in every other country. Made even worse with Biden's $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan that did fuck all.
>what was the price of gas under a republican president from texas Oh God are we really going to whataboutism to Bush? Okay then I guess. Hey how were gas prices under Carter?
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>>1380167 >Made even worse with Biden's $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan that did fuck all. When will Dems learn that giving handouts to citizens never fucking works. The public are a bunch of dumbass moneysinks. Money would be better served being put back into the pockets of the successful as they're the only ones who know how to spend the money. They're the only ones making the economy work. Most everyone else are interchangeable slugs.
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>>1379932 Trump's entire thing was "I will lower gas and egg prices because Biden is bad at economics unlike me"
Not really my fault he keeps saying something retarded that doesn't align with reality, much like his boyfriend musk.
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Canada's supply of potash is vital to fertilize farms in the US. Mexico supplies a ton of produce, especially to border states. Grocery prices are going to go nuts
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>>1380174 99% of billionaires' worth comes from their unliquidated portfolio and they barely spend a fraction of it lmao
They're literally doing the opposite of "making the economy work" by siphoning money away from the economy (including their own company) and barely spending it
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>>1379915 Large free range eggs are C$3.50 a dozen in Canada.
There's a lot of oil Canada produces.
So much that Canada grows, produces & makes. How are your 'tariffs' going to affect them, Trump? Who needs whose imports more?
>Trump had initially planned a 25% tariff on all goods from Canada and Mexico but cut the Canadian oil tariff in an effort to ease the impact on energy prices You've already reneged on an election promise, fatty. Remember 'Build That Wall' and 'Lock Her Up'? No 'Wall'. Hillary still not in an Iron Bar Hotel to this day. No '100% Tariff on Canadian oil'.
Americans traveling to Canada to buy cheaper food. Sarah Palin went to Canada for their free healthcare. Food =/= Tobacco & Booze. Are you going to impose import duty on more than just cigarette & alcohol over a duty free allowance, Trumpy...?!
No more 'Booze Cruises' to France after Brexit. No more free healthcare in the EU via NHS E111 form. You forgot about that, Trump's ballglazer Farage.
It's going to bite both their asses. The midterms in two years. Revenge Voting.
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>>1380191 Velocity of money (the rate of money changing hands) taken into account with GDP growth is probably the best indicator of economic health. GDP growth is high, but velocity of money remains relatively low, you probably have a lot of rent seeking, enshittification (hollowing out the economy to sustain growth, kinda like a starving body will cannibalize itself), bubbles, and employee abuse (bad wages/wage theft, understaffed/overworked, cuts to benefits, etc) to explain the growth. GDP dropping and low velocity of money? Most likely a depression. Most American news only covers GDP though, for reasons that should be pretty obvious nowadays.
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>>1380134 Poor people voted for Trump why is he fucking them over
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>>1379968 They don't need it. They're (sensibly) reducing their dependance on fossils. They hit they 2030 renewable energy targets by 2024. The only ones doubling down on it are... America, and third world countries still on the 'wrong' side of their industrial revolution.
>>1379984 Considering all factors in play, the oil companies should be paying the externalities. They're of more opportunity to do so, and are the ones gaining from the operation...
>>1379990 >if it meant I didn't have to put up with my libtard sister and all the other leftists in my life. Hows that working out for you?
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>>1380103 >why doesn't trump make it a dollar a gallon, or free? I've no love for the chap, that's no secret, but not even trump is that thick. There are costs involved with these things. They give it away for free, who's gonna be paying the refinery workers? Or do you expect them to work for free?
>>1380115 >Now it's from canada? Generally from there it's things like epi pens and insulin, as they're available without anal rapage, but they don't sound good when you point out folk are getting healthcare at a reasonable price, so we need to stop them.
>>1380116 >If you don't think America doesn't deserve some punishment Generally, you do it to yourselves. Case in point: Trump. Only been ten min and the uncomfy starts. That'll soon be pain. And it won't stop there. Enjoy.
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>>1380118 >It never happened. Prove it.
>Most sane people will say the same. No. Sane people will point to the genetic lineage proving it's existence. Sane people use independantly verifyiable evidence to support their claims.
>then how did Trump get reelected? It might have something to do with the average IQ is double digits, and the fact most of your population is functionally retarded.
>>1380139 Do the math.
Don't neglect to account for how many of them are armed.
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>>1380219 He doesn't care about them, he just wants their vote. He got that vote, so now they're useless to him.
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>>1380228 >Considering all factors in play, the oil companies should be paying the externalities. They're of more opportunity to do so, and are the ones gaining from the operation... By extension drivers will pay though, since oil companies will just pass on the costs.
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>>1380233 Entirely depends on how you extract it from the oil companies.
If you enect retroactively you get an impressive bufffer to play with.
You can then do some math, and allow them a repayment rate that still allows some profit. They start scaling the prices, scale the repayment. Less fairly this time. Collecting this money faster isn't a problem as you'll be needing to spend it to offset for their damages. IF they wanna scale the prices again, there's plenty of buffer to scale the repayments.
When being a greedy shitweasle drives it into the floor allow it to be sold along with the existing debt. Reset to 'fair' values on the repayments - unless the purchasing company is themselves currently subjected to elevated repairations.
Rinse and repeat.
Oil is globally becoming a decreasing concern daily. It's not going to vanish overnight, sure. But two nights... Maybe. Don't expect three.
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Trump is saying that there will be short term pain. Americans got conned by Trump.
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>>1379915 >2022: The economy is going great! Unemployment is down, gas prices is down, wages are up, if you're struggling to live then it must be a personal issue. >2023: The economy is going great! Unemployment is down, gas prices is down, wages are up, if you're struggling to live then it must be a personal issue. >2024: The economy is going great! Unemployment is down, gas prices is down, wages are up, if you're struggling to live then it must be a personal issue. >2025: Oh my God the economy sucks! Gas is going up, price of eggs is going up, inflation... well we don't know yet - but it might go up! This is all Trump's fault and everyone that voted for him! Anonymous
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>>1380274 They be like that tho fr
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>>1380274 Just because mainstream Democrats are liars doesn't mean trump isn't also a liar. You know both parties work for the rich and not for you, right?
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>>1380278 Yeah but see here's the difference. Let's see if you can pick up what I'm putting down:
>I'm going to lower prices, end illegal immigration and end the Russia/Ukraine war on day one! vs.
>“His mental acuity is great, it’s fine, it’s as good as it’s been over the years... All this right-wing propaganda that his mental acuity has declined is wrong,” Anonymous
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>>1379943 >Now as for your post here >>1379938 (You) # I'm not too worried about it, because Trump is already getting rid of Biden's policies, and if his 2016 record is anything to go on I expect gas prices to be lower by next year than they are today. We'll have to wait and see, but even as gas goes I'm highly skeptical.
>As for lumber and metals, I don't know so probably have a point. As for lumber, as well as potash, steel, nickel, aluminum, uranium and the other things we export, that is indeed going to have a very large effect. Sure you can start up more lumber mills or potash mines, but those will take time to get going to the point they are meeting demands. In that time the prices of those things are going to go way up. So let's say you invested in starting up an American lumber mill and you've started cutting down trees and producing product. What incentive do you have at that point to go back to what prices were before this all happened? If anything, you would want the high cost to continue so you can more quickly pay off the investment you made opening the mill.
No matter what, prices on virtually everything are about to go up, and they are never coming down.
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>As for lumber, as well as potash, steel, nickel, aluminum, uranium and the other things we export, that is indeed not going to have a very large effect, because Canadian exports account for less than 1% of US GDP FTFY. Enjoy the day of the rake.
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>>1380285 The first one is a more significant lie
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>>1380325 Really? Really motherfucker? A guy doing a sales pitch to win an election, the same shit we hear every election going back 200 years, is worse than having THE ENTIRE DEMOCRAT PARTY tell us for YEARS that Biden - the Commander in Chief - the guy in charge of our NUKES - isn't a fucking Alzheimer mental patient as he's walking around clueless at speeches and saying the most incoherent shit ever? You're seriously going to tell me with a straight face that Biden's fucking dementia is better than Trump saying he's the best and he's going to fix everything if you vote for him? Get the fuck outta here.
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>>1380329 This is why democrats should be outlawed. Everyone knows Trump likes to tell a tall tale. Trump just says shit. You have to read between the lines and parse the man. The eggs and apple story? Obviously made up. Lowering prices? He'll try but we all knew that the economy was fucked up beyond all belief and so are willing to forgive him. Additionally, we understood that things may have to crash and we'd be in depression until the mid 30s before things get better. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Retribution? This was something he was serious about and we're all onboard. It's the main motivation for me and my own to show up to the polls. Things will never get better, but at least we can make it worse for the people who deserve it. On the other hand, the Dems act like they're trying to tell the truth when they lie, which is much worse. Trump does it with a wink and a stage whisper. Dems lie with a straight face and technobabble.
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>>1379915 >All of Canada's oil is processed in the US. >All their pipelines to the East goes through the US. >75 percent of Canada's GDP is selling to the US. >Canadian companies are talking about moving to the US. >Canada 55 billion in debt for their energy sector so they need the US to keep paying so they don't get all their lights turned off. Uh I think you Canadians are fucked. Also can't wait for when Tim Hortons relocates their headquarters here, if your economy goes to shit we'll take good care of it. But keep playing mind games, I'm sure if you believe hard enough it'll be true (it won't).
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>>1380337 >Also can't wait for when Tim Hortons relocates their headquarters here New HQ location in Buffalo, NY. Calling it now.
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>>1380337 This is what they get for flooding our markets with Chinese fentanyl. Besides, we can seize their lands and resources soon when their economy is in the shitter. Clown world that we have the strongest military in the world yet let our so called allies on the border, in Europe and Asia push us around. They don't want to deal with us, then they deal with our guns and nukes.
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>>1380337 >Canadian companies are talking about moving to the US. Which ones lmao? We just shot all our soft power and reliability as trading partners. If anything this is encouraging companies to stay away from the US if imports and exports will be this unstable for the duration of the Trump admin.
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>>1380339 >Clown world that we have the strongest military in the world yet let our so called allies on the border, in Europe and Asia push us around. Probably because even though you talk all day about having the strongest military in the world, you're also the same country that fought fucking Afghanistan for ten years trying to get the Taliban out until finally giving up and letting them stay in power. So no one is actually that scared of you. Besides, if you did try to actually invade Canada, which is the only possible way they would ever be forced to join the US, Canada has many allies like Britain and the EU. America has Isreal and....
You're never getting Canada. You think this war of attrition will cripple us but it's not nearly the big deal you make it out to be. We used to sell all those natural resources to the US because it was convenient and we had a good free trade agreement. Now that that's over and it's more profitable to sell all that uranium, nickel, copper, aluminum and our other vast natural resources to China or India or whoever, that's fine with us.
The shit we buy from the US isn't mostly natural resources like oil, lumber and minerals, it's cheap produced products like chips, beer and things like orange juice. We're more than happy to not buy American products when they're no longer cheap. Also, Canada has a very strong social safety net. So even if someone loses their job and gets sick, they at least don't also lose their house. Up here we know this will be a time of hardship, but we know it's because we are under attack from someone trying to take over our country. We have no worries at all that this will crippleus in the way you so desperately hope it will.
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>>1380349 Why are you such a huge huge faggot?
Can anyone answer this?
Mexico and Canada essentially live off of the US dime and Canada itself has consistently imposed ridiculous tariffs on US AG. These aren't trade partners at all and no one should feel bad about giving them what they deserve.
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>>1380351 >Canada has a very strong social safety net. So even if someone loses their job and gets sick, they at least don't also lose their house. Weakness. In the US that we're building, the unsuccessful will be recycled out to make room for the successful, either by camps or exposure. It's survival of the fittest. We don't hold onto those who do not contribute enough.
>Up here we know this will be a time of hardship, but we know it's because we are under attack from someone trying to take over our country. We have no worries at all that this will crippleus in the way you so desperately hope it will. You are the only one responsible for YOUR health. That's how it should be. Our winners actually feel like winners unlike Canada.
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>>1380352 Invade them and take their shit. They've been screwing us, now they'll get the horns.
Anonymous
>>1380352 If our trade agreement with the US is so terrible and unfair, whydid great leader Trump sign it when he was in office? I know Trump has been talking so much about this lately, but can you actually articulate how we live off the US dime? Lol
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>>1380355 It's nice if you like that idea, but you might want to consider that trying to crush all those millions of people you deem losers is going to make your whole society even more violent and dangerous and crime more rampant. I mean if that's the world you enjoy living in, I guess America is for you. I like living somewhere where I can walk downtown at 3 in the morning with no worries.
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>>1380357 Trump never signed it. And if he did, he was forced to do it by T-Rex McConnell.
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>>1380358 Americans really want that cyberpunk future. Like if they could pick between a making a billion dollars profit and it being divided somewhat equitably (bottom earner still living comfortably, top earner still able to buy his yacht) or a half billion dollars profit and it being divided unequally (so that 99% of it goes to the top while everyone else is licking crumbs), they'll always pick the latter. They believe that a lot of people just don't deserve to be able to survive. They want their technofeudal aristocracy.
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>>1380359 He did sign it though. That's simple fact. I guess you're right though since he is just an incompetent blow hard he probably did let himself get forced to sign it.
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>>1380333 >Trump does it with a wink and a stage whisper. Dems lie with a straight face and technobabble. Trip 3's confirm.
>Biden is aware of his surroundings! >The economy is going great! >Trump said nazis were good people! >We don't have a border crisis! >That black guy was shot in the back by cops for no reason! >The rioters were all Proud Boys disguised as Antifa! >He crossed state lines with an automatic weapon! Anonymous
>>1380363 Don't forget the
>It was a Nazi salute >Trump wants to build concentration camps Anonymous
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>>1380365 >It was a Nazi salute Okay, go throw your heart out at work or any local gathering and see how it's perceived.
>Trump wants to build concentration camps There's really no charitable way of reading the "we're reopening Gitmo and expanding it" or "we'll be shipping off American prisoners to third world countries." Gitmo was always a blight on our history. You'll have American citizens (accidentally) shipped off there, and they'll be no recourse since the constitution does not apply at Gitmo. They don't get lawyers, they don't get to petition courts, and they won't be released cause who gives a fuck, the government isn't going to admit it's wrong unless forced, and you have no leverage at Gitmo.
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>>1379915 Trump is senile and doesn't know what year it is. Headline should read Elon's tariffs on oil since he bought and paid for the presidency.
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>>1380368 Reminder there are still prisoners to this day in Gitmo who've never been charged with a crime.
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>>1380368 >There's really no charitable way of reading the "we're reopening Gitmo and expanding it" or "we'll be shipping off American prisoners to third world countries. Sure there is. I'm tired of paying for Tyrone Shoelaces 50th incarceration.
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>>1380404 We should just kill them all. A swift death penalty for all crimes. If you can't follow society's laws, you are an enemy and we kill enemies in this country.
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>>1380409 Anon.. child rapists, murderers, drug dealers, wife beaters and people who eat pineapple on pizza have rights too.
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>>1380404 You'll still be paying for it lol. Where do you think the funding for gitmo comes from?
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>>1379915 Tariffs will be a nothingburger. Trump will negotiate the status quo, claim it's a win, and then libs will be left looking retarded as his base eats it up. What I'd be more concern about is what this is meant to be distracting us from, like Elon gaining control over the treasury.
Anonymous
>>1380420 1) Which option is cheaper?
and
2) I bet Tyrone will figure out how to follow the law real quick after spending a few years in a Brazilian prison, or wherever Trump wants to send them.
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>>1380422 >thinks only libs are complaining about the tariffs Go outside
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>>1380423 Considering the massive expenses associated with operating an off-shore super prison...
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>>1380428 That's the beauty of it, we're not operating the prison. We're paying someone else to hold onto prisoners for us. So which option is cheaper?
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>>1380429 Yes we are retard. Trump even paged ICE to do it for his new expansion.
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>>1380431 >Yes we are retard. Pull up the numbers. Let's compare costs.
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>>1380420 Guantanamo Bay is where people go to disappear anon. The prisoners aren't coming back out.
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>>1380427 Broadly yes. Cons will ping pong between whatever Trump's stance is, though most of them are tuned out at the moment (believe govt is in responsible hands = don't need to fatigue themselves keeping up with happenings). Libs will be screaming and coping about everything and anything, like a dog freaking out at jangled keys. Mods don't really give a fuck, even if Trump went full fash and started drafting them for an invasion of Panama and building camps for undesirables. They have no clue at all what a tariff even is as all their attention is spent keeping themselves from sinking into debt. If you engage with politics online/IRL, you're already a part of a small minority. Most people are voting on vibes or identity (my area is culturally and aesthetically blue/red, so guess I'll just vote that way as well). They don't give a shit about fagshit like policy.
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>>1380433 Considering the biggest US prisons hold a few hundred prisoners at once, compared to Trump's proposed facility that has space for 30k...
Yeah this is gonna be quite a bit more expensive.
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>>1380444 SO
PULL
THE
NUMBERS
AND
LETS
COMPARE
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>>1380445 I can't pull numbers on something that literally just got the construction order a few days ago anon. I'm just pointing out Trump's facility literally holds almost 5x as much as the biggest prison in the US (Louisiana State Pen, which holds around 6k inmates) so I'd assume it would cost us and ICE quite a fucking bit to create and maintain.
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>>1380447 >I can't pull numbers Really? Because I just did faggot.
>avg cost to house prisoner in US: $30,000 >avg cost to house prisoner in Brazil: $4,800 Anonymous
>>1380448 Well we're not brazil you fucking retard. Current gitmo actually spends 13 million per prisoner, though that number is definitely inflated a bit by them being max security and only having 40 prisoners to justify a 500 million facility.
Also consider how Brazil's prisons suck because the gangs effectively just operate from inside them due to low funding.
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>>1380449 No shit you dumb motherfucker. The argument was me being in favor of
>shipping off American prisoners to third world countries Which apparently fags like you have a problem with.
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>>1380450 Prisons WE have to run anon. Either that or convince other countries to hold US prisoners who have done literally nothing in their own territory to warrant being a drain on their resources. Good luck with that.
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>>1380452 You still have difficulty grappling with the concept that we're just going to kill these people, since the vast majority are violent criminals.
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>>1380444 >>1380447 >>1380450 US prisons are all for-profit. They make money.
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>>1380452 >Prisons WE have to run anon. NO WE DON'T DUMBASS. The whole fucking point that Trump came up with was to send repeat fucking offenders with no interest in reform to other countries. Where the fuck are you getting this idea that we would have to run them?
>Either that or convince other countries to hold US prisoners who have done literally nothing in their own territory to warrant being a drain on their resources. Good luck with that. Oh here let me show you how fucking easy this is: "Hey Brazil, I see you're paying $4,800 per prisoner. How about you hold onto these American prisoners for me and I pay you $10,000 - more than double - each? That way you make a profit and I'm paying less for these dipshit."
Wow that was real fucking hard.
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>>1380456 Brazils prisons are already overcrowded you fucking moron. They physically can't handle their prisons as is, why the fuck would they agree to take american prisoners they have no room for?
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>>1380468 >Brazils prisons are already overcrowded you fucking moron. So are ours you fucking moron.
>why the fuck would they agree to take american prisoners they have no room for? Money! You fucking moron.
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>>1380472 >Hey, we'll give you money in exchange for putting our prisoners into room you don't have Unless we're somehow practicing some kind of quantum technology, I don't know how you pay someone to store things they don't have space for.
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>>1380475 Did the United States come up with a breakthrough in quantum technology like that? No? Then how the fuck are we holding onto all of these prisoners?
...Unless we're like Chicago, with their fucking SAFE-T Act, and just letting them out because they have no fucking room either.
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>>1380478 If you wouldn't agree to other countries paying the US to take their prisoners on the logic of our own prisons being full, why the fuck would another country dealing with the exact same problem do it?
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>>1380482 Motherfucker how many times are you going to move the goalposts? I hope you get raped by 2010 Mel Gibson.
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>>1380485 I'm pointing out your solution of "we'll just pay other countries to hold on to them!" isn't going to work.
Like, lets analyze your own fucking example. Brazil spends 4.8k on prisoners and we'd offer them like, 10k per guy. That means we effectively covered the price for 2 years before now holding on to them becomes a net loss. And since we're only going to be sending the worst repeat offenders, they're going to be there for a lot longer for 2 years. Why would they agree to something that will pretty fucking quickly cause much more of a loss to them than they gain?
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>>1380456 >The whole fucking point that Trump came up with was to send repeat fucking offenders with no interest in reform to other countries. What right does the US think they have to do this? Why doesn't North Korea and Russia just send all of their prisoners to the US?
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>>1380490 trump is a daytime television clown, not a politician. he has buffoonery, not policies
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>>1380487 >Like, lets analyze your own fucking example. Brazil spends 4.8k on prisoners and we'd offer them like, 10k per guy. That means we effectively covered the price for 2 years before now holding on to them becomes a net loss. Are you retarded? It costs America between 20k to 140k/year to house a prisoner depending on the state. If we can pay Brazil for 10k/2 years this is absolutely massive savings.
Fuck, for that price I'd say let's just send all the repeat offenders convicted of violent, sexual, and drug crimes there for life.
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>>1380487 >That means we effectively covered the price for 2 years before now holding on to them becomes a net loss. Oh my fucking God you retard. That dollar amount is how much the two countries spend PER YEAR. You fucking idiot. We wouldn't just give them a one-time payment, otherwise they'd just do us a favor by executing them anyways (which we can't do here thanks to libfaggots like you).
So even if we were to pay them $10,000 a year to hold onto a prisoner for us we're still saving $20,000 from the total cost of the $30,000 average WE have to pay to house these animals.
>>1380490 >Why doesn't North Korea and Russia just send all of their prisoners to the US? Why the fuck would they:
1) pay us to do this when they're more than capable of doing it themselves
and
2) send them to a country with far more pleasant, humane, well-fed and fucking cable-television equipped prison system where they'll just be encouraged to repeat offend all the time? Do you really think North Korea has to deal with the Asian dindu nuffin robbing a liquor store for the 10,000th time this year?
Think goddamn it!
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>>1380495 >>1380496 >we'll just pay them yearly Ignoring the fact they would likely ask for equivalent to how much they cost here, we now we head back to the issue of them not having any room for these prisoners in the first place.
Pay them all you want. Doesn't make their prisons any bigger.
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>>1380500 >Ignoring the fact they would likely ask for equivalent to how much they cost here Holy shit you're retarded. Did you just completely miss the part where we would be paying them DOUBLE what they pay for their own prisoners - AND IT WOULD STILL cost us less?
Can you fucking read?
>we now we head back to the issue of them not having any room for these prisoners in the first place. Which is the same problem we have here, so I bet they'll do the same thing that we do:
1) use the extra money to build more prisons
or
2) Do what we're doing; letting lesser-offending criminals out with ankle bracelets to make room.
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>>1380508 So, when we do it, bad. very bad. Gets people killed. Obviously that means they should do it.
Also you can't just build a prison overnight you fucking retard. We'd be giving them money in the hopes they'd eventually use it to store our guys.
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>>1380511 >So, when we do it, bad. very bad. Yeah because of faggots like you. We used to hang people like this. Now cops have to walk on eggshells and prison COs have to wear stab-resistant vests because someone like you might have a fiery but peaceful protest over someone with a quadruple-homicide record - god forbid - being roughed up by police while shooting at them.
>Obviously that means they should do it. ... Yeah. Unironically. Since we can't handle the problem here thanks to you, and now you dumb cocksucking whores are just letting violent offenders the fuck out of prison before they even go to trial (see Chicago for more details), so now we need to come up with new options.
It's just like with the border. We don't want to shut the entire thing down completely, but you fucking homosexuals just keep abusing the system so now we need Trump to lock everything down and build a goddamn wall.
>Also you can't just build a prison overnight you fucking retard. We'd be giving them money in the hopes they'd eventually use it to store our guys. Apply this same fucking argument to the United States! WE don't have any fucking room to deal with all of these criminals. But I guaran-fucking-tee that third-world countries will find a way - just like we always have to find a way - if we offer them double what they pay for theirs.
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>>1380520 >They'll just do it alright! Don't ask how! Way to admit you have no backing for your plan beyond fanfic.
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>>1380500 >Pay them all you want. Doesn't make their prisons any bigger. I'm sorry, is money no longer used to pay for things to be built anymore? Did we move on to Carl Marx Labour Vouchers at some point and I'm unaware?
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>>1380523 >NOOOO BRAZIL DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IT'S ONLY 3.29 MILLION MILES SQUARED >WE'RE THE ONLY NATION THAT SHOULD BE OVERLOADED WITH VIOLENT CRIMINALS WE CAN'T EXECUTE BECAUSE DEMOCRATS EXIST I hope your whole family gets raped and murdered by one of these criminals you let out. Or at least steals your Nintendo Switch, because that's the only way you'll start giving a fuck about this problem.
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>>1380524 We'd have to pay them now for prisons that would take years to build. Which is funny, because the moment I call it "foreign aid" as it actually is, all of a sudden you guys get pissy.
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>>1380539 It's not foreign aid tho. It's not charity. It's a business transaction. Trying to pay someone to house prisoners for you is a business transaction.
How the hell are you this confused? Do you even know what charity is?
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>>1380541 you're impressively dumb
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>>1380543 How the fuck is paying someone to take prisoners off our hands charity? Explain your insane reason.
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>>1379928 >we're not the ones who are going to really suffer in this trade war. If you're in the US and not very wealthy you are fucked >>1379925 >12 large free range eggs $3.50 in Canada >Canada a huge oil producer As you're a mutt, it's not only your orange Retard-in-Chief's opinions that are destroyed,
>>1379925 Anonymous
>>1380551 too bad your mother wasn't charitable enough to abort you, dumb faggot. would that be considered foreign aid since you're not american?
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>>1380557 Ah ok. So you see I'm right and just want to insult me for your stupidity.
Better luck next time.
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>>1380558 you are a a right wing faggot, but that actually makes you wrong, sorry. you're too much of an idiot to be taken seriously
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>>1380554 You know Canadians make a lot more dollars than Americans...right? Minimum wage in the US is like $7.75 or something, in Canada it's over $17.00. These tariffs don't actually worry Canadians in the way Trump had hoped they would. Most of us are still itching for the trade war to happen.
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>>1380559 Lmao. Meltdown much? Hahah
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>>1380559 Delicious liberal tears and we're only two weeks in
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>>1380565 Leaf bucks are worth 70% of USD and their housing and food is twice as much. Canadians also pay over 60% of their income as tax. Average Canadian in Toronto or Vancouver is house poor and living off debt.
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>>1380566 >>1380568 just make one post next time faggot, you're really bad at samefagging
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>>1380573 Do you want a screenshot or are you just going to continue acting unhinged regardless?
I already know the answer Anonymous
>>1380584 do you want to stop acting like a faggot? i already know the answer by the way
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>>1380570 Exactly. So using US prices as a guage is pointless. And yeah, Toronto and Vancouver are tough areas now which is why we have to focus on supporting them. Point is, those egg prices aren't as crazy to us because the dollar is different. I am legit pissed that Trump backed down so easily because in the long run this trade war was only going to bolster Canada. I wanted Trump to make good on his claim of trying to take us over. But fingers crossed, maybe he's still stupid enough to try.
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>>1380587 lol another lefty melty alert, lmao. And he's a 60%'er too hahaha
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>>1380557 >>1380559 >>1380573 >>1380587 lmao what a faggot. It must suck not to have an argument.
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>>1380570 And yet, eggs are much cheaper in Canada.
Gee, I wonder why US Republican Sarah Palin went into Canada to use their free healtcare? Or why Trump loves Winston Churchill, who planned the National Health Service during WWII?
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>>1380612 He has no argument. He hasn't for months now. At this point he's just a salty shell of a person, searching for meaning in life as he deals with crippling depression and confusion
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>>1380631 >He has no argument. He hasn't for months now. At this point he's just a salty shell of a person, searching for meaning in life as he deals with crippling depression and confusion And that's just
>>1380612 Anonymous
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>>1380274 What happened in 2019 and 2020?
What happened when Trump introduced tariffs that caused Midwestern farmers to go so broke the government had to give them massive relief?
Anonymous
Fun fact: Canada's supply of oil outstrips demand for it. The US does not need Canadian oil as much as Canada needs the US to buy it. These proposed Tarrifs will do more damage to the Canadian economy than the American one. Furthermore, what little damage us done to the American economy can be solved by tapping into the many untapped oil deposits that exist in the USA, so it wouldn't even need be long term damage. That's likely why Trudeau affirmed commitment to working with the US to keep the bordet secure to get President Trump to delay the implementation of the proposed tariffs.
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>>1380761 >The US does not need Canadian oil as much as Canada needs the US to buy it. There is no concern for anybody except oil producers. Price of oil in Canada will go down and price of oil would go up in the US. Ceteris paribus, and cope.