Federal judge Tanya Chutkan re-asserted the right for DOGE to have continued access to government systems, ruling that 14 Democrat States have been unable to demonstrate that harm would be caused by DOGE continuing to reduce government waste and fraud.
Democrats double down on their promise to protect government fraud in every form by waging continual lawfare against anyone who attempts to interfere with their plans for fraud.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5151676-chutkan-musk-doge-federal-agencies/ Chutkan refuses to block Musk, DOGE from 7 federal agencies
U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan on Tuesday refused the request of 14 Democratic state attorneys general to immediately impose wide-ranging restrictions on Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).
The coalition of states, led by New Mexico, claims Musk’s far-reaching role heading DOGE is unconstitutional since he was not confirmed by the Senate, and the states sought to block DOGE from accessing seven federal agencies.
Chutkan refused their demand to do so at the current stage of the case, saying they had not made the necessary showing of irreparable harm.
“Plaintiffs legitimately call into question what appears to be the unchecked authority of an unelected individual and an entity that was not created by Congress and over which it has no oversight,” Chutkan wrote in her ruling.
“In these circumstances, it must be indisputable that this court acts within the bounds of its authority,” she continued. “Accordingly, it cannot issue a TRO [temporary restraining order], especially one as wide-ranging as Plaintiffs request, without clear evidence of imminent, irreparable harm to these Plaintiffs. The current record does not meet that standard.”
However, in a footnote, the judge suggested that the Justice Department may have stretched the truth in court filings regarding the breadth of DOGE’s power over personnel issues.
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“Defense counsel is reminded of their duty to make truthful representations to the court,” Chutkan wrote. Musk’s DOGE has moved rapidly since Trump’s inauguration to install employees at federal agencies with an aim of cutting trillions of dollars in government spending, quickly drawing legal challenges. It has put Chutkan, an appointee of former President Obama, at the center of another battle implicating President Trump. The judge previously oversaw the now-dismissed Jan. 6 criminal case against the president. The Democratic-led states have sought to block Musk and DOGE personnel from accessing confidential data at the Office of Personnel Management, the Department of Education, the Department of Labor, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Energy, the Department of Transportation and the Department of Commerce. Chutkan issued Tuesday’s order after pressing the plaintiffs about the broad scope of their request at two hearings, including one held on Monday despite the federal holiday. “I don’t mean to be dismissive, but it’s sort of like a prophylactic TRO, and that’s not allowed,” Chutkan said during Monday’s hearing. The Democratic-led states raised alarm about the barrage of reports of Musk’s work to dismantle parts of the federal bureaucracy, calling it a “one-of-a-kind situation” that demanded immediate relief. “They’re stepping well beyond the authority and the four corners of the executive order, to the extent that it said they’re charged with rooting out waste and fraud,” said Anjana Samant, a lawyer representing New Mexico.
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Harry Graver, a lawyer for the Justice Department, said there are “very clear paper trails” for all the actions taken by DOGE and there’s “not a single instance” of Musk commanding the actions in his own name. “Nowhere have my friends offered a shroud to show that Elon Musk has any formal or actual authority to make any government decision,” Graver said. “I think you stretch too far,” Chutkan interjected. “I disagree with you there.” After the hearing, the Justice Department submitted a sworn declaration indicating that Musk is not a DOGE employee and is instead a senior adviser to the president at the White House. The judge also questioned the government over thousands of federal employees apparently fired across several agencies on Friday, which a DOJ lawyer said he had not confirmed. The case before Chutkan is one of more than a dozen pending lawsuits that challenge DOGE’s structure or its access to systems at various federal departments. A separate judge late Monday declined to block DOGE from accessing student borrower data at the Education Department. On Friday night, a judge refused a group of unions’ request to block DOGE from accessing two federal departments and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which the administration has looked to gut.
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>>1385289 This post is being updated to correct an error:
>ruling that 14 Democrat States have been unable to demonstrate that harm would be caused by DOGE continuing to reduce government waste and fraud. This was not 14 Democrat states involved. In this case, it was in fact 14 Democrat State attorneys from New Mexico with a home field advantage who couldn't put on their big boy pants and explain why reducing fraud or waste is a bad thing
oops, there goes the baby out with the bath water
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The operation was a success, but the patient died
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Meanwhile, SpaceX personnel are visiting FAA facilities to see if they can help upgrade the national ATC system. It's a good thing SpaceX is there because they should get the contracts for that work. MIGAs don't care about conflict of interest, they only care about scrapping the federal government, handing out the work to Musk-owned contractors, and giving the rest to Israel.
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>>1385295 Nice EDS, 60%'er
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>>1385289 Great, so basically "we can't do anything until AFTER they've fucked us over".
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>>1385319 Yes. That is what us Republicans do all the time. Except they fuck us over, and we never do anything.
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>>1385292 Fraud waste abuse is welfare. I say cut it all.
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>>1385325 >>1385319 A literal anti trump judge doesn't agree with you retards or the 14 Democrat State attorneys
DOGE will continue to cut government fraud and waste until some point in time you people are actually able to describe how it's harmful.
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>>1385332 >A literal anti trump judge doesn't agree with you retards or the 14 Democrat State attorneys Literally the only reason she blocked the lawsuit was because they couldn't prove harm. Which basically the equivalent of refusing to add safety rails until someone falls.
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>>1385332 they can never explain why gibes like SS, medicare, foodstamps, and dept of leftist indoctrination (education) is a good thing. these are things that literal hitlers wanted.
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>>1385332 Well, I was just saying that as a Republican, I'm used to getting fucked over by Democrats, then when the power swaps we do nothing.
I don't know if there was a reason to @ me, bro.
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>>1385336 Why I voted for Trump. He promised vengeance, and he is delivering. He is actually building the camps.
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>>1385332 >DOGE will continue to cut government fraud and waste until some point in time you people are actually able to describe how it's harmful. They don't just need to articulate why it's harmful, they also need to convince the judge that it actually *is* harmful to reduce government waste, which is a tall order.
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>>1385334 >Literally the only reason she blocked the lawsuit was because they couldn't prove harm Lol yeah anon
It's pretty rough to show that reducing government waste/fraud is causing harm.
You people are coming forward with a bunch of baseless accusations and schizo fantasies rooted in your own headcanon, yet 14 Democrat State attorneys couldn't convince a judge, appointed by Obama, who was prosecuting trump, that reducing government fraud and waste is harmful.
Lol
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>>1385339 It's harmful because all of that waste is going back to Democrats. I can't wait to see the midterms now that the Democrat slush funds are being removed. I have always had a hunch that the entire country is mostly red, but the Democrat fraud keeps it nearly even. Expect a full super majority of Republicans in 2026
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>>1385343 It will be interesting to see how it plays out. How policies are widely popular. Most people don't like all, but he's about 12% more approval than Biden when leaving office, and despite the cries of "it's a honeymoon period" from Democrats his approval keeps going up.
The Democrats have been acting so unhinged the last few months I wouldn't be surprised if they start selling their own social security numbers on the dark web so that they can fabricate a story to blame on trump or doge
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>>1385352 Most people are just happy to see some fucking action happening. Government has been so slow and corrupt on things that should have been easy and common sense that Trump looks like a rock star with how fast he's doing things. He's obviously going to mess some things up, but it's easier to start over fresh than try to do it slow way and get nothing done like he did on his first term
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>>1385355 >Government has been so slow and corrupt on things that should have been easy and common sense This is what I doing fucking get. It's simple common sense. Reducing waste and fraud is doing what literally every Democrat president has promised to do since Clinton. Some of them did it but at some point around end of Obama years they all turned insane as fuck and became some weird ass party of anti populist, bush era conservative-style interventionists who would rather push propaganda both worldwide and domestically than do the simple common sense work that needs to be done at home.
Reducing fraud and government waste shouldn't even be a controversial issue. Cleaning up social security databases of "living" people born in the 1600s shouldn't even be a point of disagreement but here we are
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>>1385355 >Government has been so slow and corrupt on things that should have been easy and common sense This is what I dont fucking get. It's simple common sense. Reducing waste and fraud is doing what literally every Democrat president has promised to do since Clinton. Some of them did it but at some point around end of Obama years they all turned insane as fuck and became some weird ass party of anti populist, bush era conservative-style interventionists who would rather push propaganda both worldwide and domestically than do the simple common sense work that needs to be done at home.
Reducing fraud and government waste shouldn't even be a controversial issue. Cleaning up social security databases of "living" people born in the 1600s shouldn't even be a point of disagreement but here we are
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>>1385362 We're not anywhere you think we are because Musk makes shit up and you are stupid enough to believe it.
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>>1385355 This isn't fucking government acting at all. It's a band of assholes hired by oligarchs to squat in government offices, sift through data on systems older than they are that they don't understand, then throw out numbers they find and pretend it's evidence of a crime, this shit is manufactured sensationalism through and through.
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>>1385369 W-wait, who are the oligarchs? The ones who are attempting to cut waste or the ones who lobby for waste?
Confused with this.
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>>1385362 >This is what I dont fucking get. Pay attention to the documents Musk is revealing.
Outside of the obvious regime change bullshit the CIA does, USAID was paying American outlets and NGO thinktanks to propagandize the American public. This included support for Antifa and the BLM riots.
All of the support you see for USAID is coming from people who were actively profiting from the teat of government malfeasance. None of it is organic.
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>>1385374 >USAID was paying American outlets Nice job falling for propaganda you fucking retard. They took the fact they were paying for government employee subscriptions and ballooned it into that USAID was giving them mass funding.
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>>1385375 Paying 11 million dollars for politico subscriptions isn't a small thing
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>>1385369 >oligarchs You mean like the Biden family, the Jan 6 committee, and all the covid fraudsters? Nice fallacies. How old they are is irrelevant. You're just mad that the government is funding your gay ass troon shit and riots anymore.
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>>1385371 Apparently the EDS patient believes that the oligarchs are the ones reducing government spending, including cutting their own contracts they had with the previous administration for fleets of electric vehicles, and the ones who have already cut a minimum of $50 bn in government waste in just a couple weeks
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>>1385375 They fired employees who didn't exist despite still collecting paychecks.
USAID is just a giant slush fund.
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>>1385379 That money could have went to the next Floyd riot. How are Democrats supposed to afford warehouses full of fake Democrat votes for the 2026 midterms without those funds?
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>>1385377 Check again you retard. We gave them a few thousand for subscriptions, and 8 million for legislative analysis. Your retard in chief claimed the 8 million was from subscriptions alone.
All the outlets were being paid for other services they provided to the US government, such as Reuters' cyber security company for cyber security training and BBC for journalism training.
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>>1385379 >See, they cancelled one Musk contract! He's basically a saint! >Ignore how the FAA is now being forced to cooperate and take contracts with SpaceX and Tesla Anonymous
>>1385386 >FAA is being forced by musk to use SpaceX and Tesla I doubt it. All you people have done over the last month is lie by purposefully misrepresenting the truth
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>>1385382 It's going to be tough on them without their government propaganda cash, that's for sure
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>>1385384 >8 million for Legislative analysis This tells me everything I need to know about it being a slush fund
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>b-but they're just cutting waste and fraud how could you appose that? Because they're not cutting waste and fraud.
>>1385388 Good fucking god, projection is the only fucking move you people have. And you're not even good at it.
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>>1385377 >>1385384 >11 million >8 million In a government organization? That's not a small thing, that's fucking nothing.
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>>1385393 >Because they're not cutting waste and fraud. I have yet to be convinced why USAID supporting ethnic cleansing in South America is a good thing.
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>>1385400 Thanks.
Because they're mostly not cutting waste and fraud.
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>>1385289 >waste and fraud like endless money to israel?
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>>1385416 What's the current savings from doge? $60bn?
Not bad for a few weeks
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>>1385419 don't care
will they cut the fraudulent and wasteful funding to israel? that would be a few times the amount you said.
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>>1385421 >don't care I know you don't.
If you wanted to look at this objectively, even though you don't, in just two or three weeks DOGE has saved about 20 times greater than what we give to Israel in an entire year.
https://www.pewresearch.org/?attachment_id=198856 But I guess that's all you care about, that specific $3bn chunk, and I'm guessing because that's the one $3 billion chunk Trump is least likely to cut. And so it's your best chances of complaining about something without getting the rug pulled out from under you
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>>1385421 Unfortunately no. Trump ran on a pro Israel stance. The GOP would have to split to a new party to get all the Christians and kikes out. We just have to take what we have for now
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>>1385423 Pretty much this. I dislike free cash to Israel as much as anyone else. I mean, we generally get stuff out of it like intelligence and whatnot, but I don't think that justifies getting jewed all the time either or financially supporting a regime led by someone with an active arrest warrant for genocide.
That being said, I'm extremely happy with trumps overall action so far. I honestly think the multiple assassination attempts changed him in he's on a personal mission now to do everything he's promised
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>>1385422 Yeah, they did so well they managed to save 8 billion dollars from an 8 million dollar project.
Creating money from nothing like that is just one of Elon's tricks that libs can't appreciate
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>>1385289 Wow Democrats keep getting one big L after another lmao
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>>1385468 America keeps getting one big L after another
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>>1385469 American is being fixed and Democrats are absolutely terrified
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>>1385470 Democrats should be terrified that MAGA is so eager to neuter America
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>>1385471 Lucky your people's opinion is the minority one amongst the country
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>>1385471 >Neuter America >Stopping the government from spending trillions on troon shit and wars Anonymous
>>1385394 You have the liberal brain rot. 11 million tax payer dollars are just disappearing into politico's pocket just for them to spread propaganda
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>>1385477 >According to 538's live average tracker, as of Tuesday, Trump's current favorability rating stands at 46.6 percent, with 48.1 percent unfavorable Anonymous
>>1385480 Well ok cool, so he's still approved by 20% more Americans than Biden, That's a pretty big improvement
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>>1385481 Biden never hit 26% approval, the fuck are you on?
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>>1385481 You do understand Biden isn't the president anymore, right?
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>>1385475 >It's false because all 7.7 didn't come from USAID Why cant liberals stop lying?
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>>1385482 >Biden never hit 26% approval, the fuck are you on He left office at -20% net approval. That's about 20% less approval than Donald Trump's current net approval of -1% net approval.
I rounded by 1% but it's really simple math and I'm hoping you can follow along with it
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>>1385484 They're not lying, you are insane and can't accept facts.
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>>1385485 >so he's still approved by 20% more Americans than Biden >Biden disapproval on leaving office: 40% >Trump approval: 46% your math isn't adding up anon.
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>>1385484 >Why cant liberals stop lying? I honestly don't think it's their fault. 60% of them have been diagnosed with a mental illness. I honestly think they are clinically unwell, they aren't lying by choice, it's like they've lost all rationality and the echo chambers they previously lived in are now something more insidious, like idk a destructive resonance chamber, and the positive feedback loop they are stuck in is causing them to mentally implode
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>>1385488 >he said the slogan again Another vodka ration earned.
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>>1385489 I don't even think this is a bot. I've literally never seen this phrase outside this board, and even not that often here, so I'm just assuming this is one anon trying to make it catch on.
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>>1385487 Do you really not understand simple math?
Biden leaves office: -20% net approval
Trump now: -1% net approval
Trump has 19% more overall approval than Biden
Come on, I know you idiots are bad at math because you're more focused on getting degrees about black people, but come on man. This is like second grade or first grade level math
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>>1385491 You said Trump's approval rating was 20% higher. Not some fuckin net differential nonsense.
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>>1385490 >I've literally never seen this phrase outside this board, and even not that often here It's not very often I see people act this crazy. I don't really say it anywhere else because nobody really gives me impression that it's relevant to the conversation.
The anon on here acts such a way that it crosses my mind way more often than any other board or any other part of life
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>>1385492 >You said it was higher! Not that it was higher overall! Kek. Stay mad lmao. Ok sure, if that metric makes you angry, what metric do you want to look at? Do you want to ignore disapproval rating and just look at approval? I think Trump wins at about 12% or 15% using that metric. Or would you prefer to ignore approval altogether and just look at disapproval ratings, because I'm guessing the number is still the same and it's somewhere in the 12% to 15% range with trumps advantage
You know, it doesn't even matter what metric we use, because every single metric proves my point that people are still approving of the current administration more of the previous one, so people are happier with the job being done now then the job being done by the previous administration
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>>1385492 Actually hey I'll just do you a solid and pull up 538.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/ Donald Trump has a net positive approval rate of 2.5%, making him 22.5% more approved of than the previous administration
Trump has a 49% approval rating putting him at 12% higher approval than the previous administration
Trump has a 46% disapproval rating putting him 11% less disapproved than the previous administration
Every single metric here shows that more people approve of trump than disapprove of him.
And as an added bonus, every single metric proves Americans are happier with his leadership than the previous administration
Do those numbers make sense to you?
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>>1385480 >favorability rating Yeah, most people don't like Trump, but most people approve of his policies and the job he's doing.
Next time you have a break from your ESL course, go ahead and Google the difference between a favorability rating and an approval rating
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>>1385496 >Do those numbers make sense to you? Sure.
A failing stats guy past his 15 minutes of fame sold out to Thiel and other rich faggots and started re-weighing shitty polls to make Trump look better than he is.
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>>1385498 Lmao! Holy shit, your cope is just you concocting another conspiracy theory!
Holy fuck my sides are in orbit lmao!
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>>1385496 Why are you comparing the popularity of a sitting president to a retired old man?
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>>1385497 >most people approve Most boomers and retarded zoomers who bought landlines, you mean
MAGAfags love pretending that weighted polls mean something
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>>1385319 This is exactly how the law in America works, from local precincts to federal depts., yes. Is it probably a stupid idea to stop a prophylactic order that would prevent a wannabe Henry Ford from overextending executive power that was never granted to him by any gov't official or agency? Yes, but it's not a judge's job to make that call, it's simply to interpret the letter of the law.
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>>1385498 I got to say man, I was lifting for the last four and I was still laughing at this, I'm serious bro, you're response is so funny to me.
When being shown most people approve of trumps policies, you concocted some sort of headcanon complete with lore containing a partial profile and background of the individual that you claim is at fault for fabricating the idea that people approve of trump.. a "failing stats guy" who apparently wants his "15 minutes of fame" and took a bribe from Thiel to start altering numbers
Lmao.
I'm actually intrigued by your lore. Is his name attached to the article? Who is he? Is he coming out of a failed marriage? Maybe his father died and he's searching for meaning?
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>>1385516 >the last four *the last hour
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>>1385516 >When being shown most people approve of trumps policies, Not him but your continuing to claim 49% approval is a majority pretty much ensures no one is going to want to talk to a crazy person.
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>>1385520 >Not him but your continuing to claim 49% approval is a majority Hi, *not him*
My exact claim was "Lucky your people's opinion is the minority one amongst the country" which I've so far proven repeatedly and undisputably shown that's true.
The portion of people who disagree with Trump's policies and handling of the government are a minority in the country. They are also less than the number of people who agree with how he's handling the country.
Cope, seethe, I'm right, you're wrong, etc, etc
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>>1385521 That retarded shill thinks all of the people that didn't vote are all Democrats. He's also counting the 20 million fraudulent votes Biden got in 2020 that disappeared when Democrats weren't allowed to lock the doors and count overnight
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>>1385521 >>1385525 Its a great thing for Trump that his retarded maga shills can't understand how statistics work.
But at least you're laughing for an hour based on manipulated data, so you're at least getting something out of their key jiggling
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>>1385521 It's like you've never heard of turnout numbers.
>>1385525 Where do you find these strawmen and why are you still repeating Sidney Powell's crazy conspiracy theories?
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>>1385527 >why are you still repeating Sidney Powell's crazy conspiracy theories if they actually repeated the real arguments about MAGA retardation, someone might notice they make sense.
So they need to create retarded strawman arguments to keep their base in line, and luckily the retarded masses keep falling for it.
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>>1385526 >>1385527 >>1385528 Oh my the lefties are having melties again
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>>1385530 You don't have to be a leftist to think you're insane, Anon.
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>>1385531 Just say it with me. " Disapproval of Trump's handling of America is the minority opinion"
That's what started. This all off, was retards like you disagreeing with that. It's a fact.
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>>1385531 Democrats can't stand that Trump is fixing the country and everyone except Democrats approve of him doing it
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>>1385537 You can't even define what fixing looks like. Even if you could, spending all your time owning the libs isn't fixing anything.
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>>1385540 Fixing looks a lot like doge saving 60 billion in just 2 weeks.
Fixing looks a lot like closing the southern border
Fixing looks a lot like deporting thousands of illegal aliens who have been convicted of committing additional crimes here.
It also looks like stopping the conflict in Palestine.
Fixing America also looks like removing racist dei policies.
I mean holy crap anon, he's fixing so much stuff in America it would be harder to define what he is not fixing
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>>1385543 >looks a lot like doge saving 60 billion in just 2 weeks 15% of DOGE's "savings" were a typo. They cited cutting an 8 billion grant that was actually 8 million.
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>>1385543 >It also looks like stopping the conflict in Palestine. This is up there in fantasy land with "obama started wars".
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>>1385289 There truly is no greater irony than watching the perversion of conservatives politics over the past 20 years. It boggles thing mind to think that the same party of Bush and Regan are now celebrating an unelected foreign billionaire making government policy with zero congressional or senate oversight. The conservative party is over. I have no clue what we're looking at here.
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>>1385564 you're looking at the failure of the american education system that dubya ruined and the failure of america's gerontocracy to understand the necessity of social media savviness
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>>1385548 sauce or did you make that up like there being more than 2 genders?
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>>1385569 The current official account right now is 55 billion currently saved. There is another quantity in the billions which have not yet didn't realized and are not included in this figure.
https://polymarket.com/doge Anonymous
>>1385570 >>1385569 8 billion of that is an 8 million payment being counted as an 8 billion payment. I'm sure close examination will reveal other oddities.
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/19/doge-said-it-cut-8-billion-contract-8-million/79176949007/ Anonymous
>>1385564 >>1385565 Hit troons hollering that they can't have transgender reading in preschools and libraries now
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>>1385580 >local schizo can't talk about anything but trannies serious, CWC level of brain damage
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>>1385606 The number of mentally ill retards per post on this board has got to be top 5% of all boards.
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>>1385575 >8 billion of that is an 8 million payment being counted as an 8 billion payment Prove it, EDS patient.
The very source you cited said that it was a typo which was corrected.
Every savings is itemized here:
https://polymarket.com/doge Your article has the date of the typo. It tells you what the contract was for.
You prove that poly market has the incorrect value because right now you're just stating that there was a typo at some point in time which was corrected
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>>1385575 I'll do you one better, you don't need to prove anything.
Polymarket hasn't updated their figures since February 14th, 3 days before the typo was made and 3 days before the typo was corrected.
The 55 billion figure they list is in reality, even larger and everything you've claimed about it being lower because of this typo on Tuesday. Is factually incorrect
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>>1385614 Anon, if the number was 55 billion with an 8 million payment counted as a 8 billion payment, and is the same after that number was corrected, I think it means they just didn't update the count even though it doesn't add up anymore.
hell, I'm curious if it adds up at all just going off their own website.
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>>1385575 I'll do you one better, you don't need to prove anything.
Polymarket hasn't updated their figures since February 14th, 3 days before the typo was made and 3 days before the typo was corrected.
The 55 billion figure they list is in reality, even larger and everything you've claimed about it being lower because of this typo on Tuesday is factually incorrect
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>>1385616 >Anon, if the number was 55 billion with an 8 million payment counted as a 8 billion payment Hey you're wrong..
The 55 billion figure hasn't been updated since the 14th. The typo was never included, and when the figure is updated it will have the corrected value.
How does it feel to be wrong so often?
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>>1385617 >>1385618 Hey, so I actually checked; I have no fucking clue where the hell they're pulling 55 billion from. The math legitimately doesn't add up.
The biggest single savings they have is a single 1 billion program. Followed by a 655 million program, a 520 million program, 3 around the 200-250 range, and then trickling down from there until we somehow hit programs that were cancelled despite having literally 0 dollars going into them. But I don't need to fully map out the math to tell this sheet doesn't even get to 10 billion, never mind 55.
Hell, you can even look at their own day by day chart and see that, in the 31 days they've been active, they only had 3 days where over 1 billion was saved. Two days of around exactly 1 billion, and 1 day of 8 billion which I'm pretty sure includes that corrected number. Even if we round up every other day to around 1 billion, that only adds up to 38 billion. This website is outright lying.
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>>1385622 So you think that polymarket, a well known platform which is itemizing each of the 1201 line items such that anyone can verify them, is making up the $55bn figure and somehow you are the only person who noticed this?
[X] DOUBT
I'd wager that you're just wrong again
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>>1385627 I'm not even the only person who noticed this, they mention in the article that there's people who noticed the whole list doesn't add up.
Hell, go do it yourself. Add up every single day of savings they have listed in those squares under the final number. You're not gonna get 55 billion.
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>>1385632 >they mention in the article that there's people who noticed the whole list doesn't add up. Who is "they"? Nobody has posted an article talking about polymarket
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>>1385634 the people who don't accept bribes i guess
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>>1385627 >>1385632 In fact, I'll do it for you
>Day 1: $304,243 >Day 2: $98,459,646 >Day 3: $27,141,361 >Day 4: $58,879,260 >Days 5-6: No contribution >Day 7: $59,596,524 >Day 8: $415,578,411 >Day 9: $52,079,413 >Day 10: $104,096,100 >Day 11: $87,120,236 >Day 12: $1,033,638,089 >Day 13: $121,818 >Day 14: $240,001,839 >Day 15: $22,881,365 >Day 16: $374,500,288 >Day 17: $209,676,741 >Day 18: $69,293,145 >Days 19-20: No contribution >Day 21: $136,682,362 >Day 22: $1,134,275,261 >Day 23: $8,270,485,590 >Day 24: $242,760,248 >Day 25: $101,986,757 >Days 26-31: No contribution Add that all together and we get... $12,739,558,706. Which you may notice is quite a bit less than 55 billion, or even the 47 billion estimated if you take out the 8 billion mistake.
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>>1385634 See
>>1385575 >Jessica Riedl, a budget expert and senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute think tank, estimated true savings from DOGE's itemized contracts amount to about $4 billion. >For example, Riedl said DOGE did not factor in obligated funds the government must still pay even if a contract is canceled. In other instances, DOGE tallied the maximum ceiling for a contract even if the entire funding hadn't been obligated. >"DOGE has thus far looked like 'amateur hour' with a lot of Silicon Valley people who just don't have the expertise in federal budget or federal accounting to fully grasp what they're doing," said Riedl, who previously worked as chief economist for former Sen. Rob Portman, R-Ohio. Anonymous
>>1385648 >>1385651 Not the guy you're arguing with but I don't think you get how Trump or Musk could tell them they're winning and pull a number out of their ass and the base will not only believe it, they'll defend it to death on the internet. They're indoctrinated to become personally offended if you dare to question DOGE's statements.
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>>1385653 I'm trying to see what happens when you point out DOGE's statements are contradictory.
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>>1385654 It's not doges statements I'm basing my argument on.
It's the fact that polymarket is an extremely large platform with wide visibility.
Im more inclined to believe that a single 4chan poster is wrong and hasn't noticed something that millions of others include highly critical news organizations have missed
>>1385648 You make a good argument but once again I'm not completely convinced. If you really think you have something here and it's not a math mistake on your part or you missing some chunk of data I suggest you send it in as a tip to national news publications
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>>1385657 >If you really think you have something here and it's not a math mistake on your part or you missing some chunk of data I suggest you send it in as a tip to national news publications Literally check it yourself. It just takes a few minutes to take their own numbers and check it against their own numbers. They don't add up.
Anonymous
>>1385660 Ok cool. So what number do you agree doge saved? 20bn? 15bn? 10bn?
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>>1385657 I'm not the only one to make this observation. The reality is despite Musk promising "1000% transparency" DOGE's numbers have been repeatedly contradictory.
>https://www.dailydot.com/debug/doge-tracker-savings/ Anonymous
>>1385662 If you can't trust DOGE's numbers this time what makes you think they will ever be trustworthy?
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>>1385662 A lot less than they're fucking claiming to have. And if they're willing to lie about that, why should I believe the other numbers are legitimate?
You're literally defending DOGE lying about their numbers.
Anonymous
>>1385665 >>1385664 You haven't shown anybody is publishing a false number except potentially polymarket though
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>>1385674 Polymarket uses DOGE's own numbers. DOGE's own website also says 55 billion and gives the exact same specific savings instances. They both link to the same government pages for each one and you can find each canceled contract on both. Polymarket just made it easier by auto-adding the total for each day so you don't have to add every individual contract.
>https://doge.gov/savings Anonymous
>>1385682 >DOGE's total estimated savings are $55 billion, which is a combination of fraud detection/deletion, contract/lease cancellations, contract/lease renegotiations, asset sales, grant cancellations, workforce reductions, programmatic changes, and regulatory savings I see you're confusion. What they have published are contract receipts. As you can see there's been other forms of savings.
Anonymous
>>1385687 Ok so... where are the records then? I'm going purely off of the records they've published to back their numbers and they're not adding up. Am I just supposed to believe the remaining 43 billion with no evidence to back it up?
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>>1385689 >where are the records then? On the hood of Biden's car.
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>>1385400 >USAID was giving them foreign aid. based, boers are subhuman and the bongs should have finished the job