https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/18/world/europe/us-russia-saudi-ukraine.html The United States and Russia moved toward a head-spinning reset of their relationship on Tuesday, agreeing to work together on ending the Ukraine war, financial investment and re-establishing normal relations. The meeting between senior officials from both countries was a striking display of bonhomie after three years of American efforts to isolate Moscow for its 2022 invasion.
After more than four hours of talks, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said that both sides had agreed to work on a peace settlement for Ukraine as well as to explore “the incredible opportunities that exist to partner with the Russians,” both geopolitically and economically.
“We weren’t just listening to each other, but we heard each other,” Sergey V. Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, said. “I have reason to believe that the American side started to better understand our positions.”
The meeting, the most extensive negotiations in more than three years between the two global powers, was the latest swerve by the Trump administration in abandoning Western efforts to punish Russia for starting Europe’s most destructive war in generations. It signaled Mr. Trump’s intention to roll back the Biden administration’s approach toward Moscow, which focused on sanctions, isolation and sending weapons to Ukraine that helped kill tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.
Speaking to reporters after the meeting, American officials did not dwell on Russia’s violation of international law in attacking Ukraine, its alleged war crimes or the three years of devastation that Russian shelling and bombardment had wrought in parts of Ukraine. Instead, they repeatedly lauded Mr. Trump for trying to stop the fighting by talking to Russia in a way that his predecessor did not.
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“For three years,” Mr. Rubio said, “no one else has been able to bring something together like what we saw today, because Donald Trump is the only leader in the world that can.” The talks showed that rather than keeping the pressure on Moscow, Mr. Trump was eager to work with Russia to end the war — an approach that would most likely fulfill many of the demands of its president, Vladimir V. Putin — and that he was prepared to cast aside the worries of American allies in Europe. The meeting came nearly a decade after Russia interfered in the 2016 election to Mr. Trump’s benefit, but then saw Mr. Trump adopt few Russia-friendly policies during his first presidency. Tuesday’s meeting in Saudi Arabia was the latest sign that Mr. Trump’s second term could be different. In Europe and Ukraine, apprehensions are likely to deepen that the United States and Russia could try to strike their own peace deal, sidelining Kyiv and European allies. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine reacted angrily to Tuesday’s meeting, saying he was postponing his own planned visit to Saudi Arabia — he had planned to arrive on Wednesday — to protest that Ukraine had not been invited to Tuesday’s talks. It was important, he said that negotiations do not happen “behind the backs of the key subjects.” Any decisions, he added, “cannot be imposed” on Ukraine. The meeting came less than a week after Mr. Trump’s lengthy phone call with Mr. Putin and took place at a palace in Riyadh, the capital of Saudi Arabia, whose crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, has been seeking to elevate his country’s role on the world stage. Michael Waltz, Mr. Trump’s national security adviser, and Steve Witkoff, the Middle East envoy and a longtime friend of Mr. Trump, joined Mr. Rubio for the meeting. Mr. Witkoff called the meeting “positive, upbeat, constructive.”
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The Russian delegation included Yuri Ushakov, Mr. Putin’s foreign policy adviser, and Kirill Dmitriev, the head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund. Speaking to Russian television, Mr. Dmitriev described a jovial atmosphere — “there were a lot of jokes” and a “very tasty” lunch — while Mr. Ushakov said that both sides also discussed preparations for a meeting between Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin. He offered no details on when a summit might take place. Russia appeared to be using Tuesday’s talks to cater to Mr. Trump’s interest in profits and natural resources, arguing that American oil companies and others stood to gain hundreds of billions of dollars by again doing business in Russia. Mr. Dmitriev, who worked with Mr. Witkoff to broker the release last week of an American schoolteacher jailed in Russia, said he would seek to restart economic cooperation with the United States to “rebuild communication, rebuild trust, rebuild success.” “U.S. oil majors have had very successful business in Russia,” Mr. Dmitriev said in a brief interview on Tuesday before the talks began, offering an example of how the countries could rebuild business ties. “We believe at some point they will be coming back, because why would they forgo these opportunities that Russia gave them to have access to Russian natural resources?” Russian commentators have expressed the hope that talks with the Trump administration and a peace deal in Ukraine could pave the way for the United States to lift the severe sanctions imposed by the Biden administration against Moscow. Leading Western oil companies, including Exxon Mobil, joined many other businesses in pulling out of Russia three years ago amid outrage over Mr. Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Mr. Dmitriev said he would present the American delegation with an estimate showing that American companies lost $300 billion by leaving Russia.
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Speaking to reporters after Tuesday’s meeting, Mr. Rubio described a three-step plan for what the United States and Russia planned to do next. First, he said, both countries would negotiate how to remove restrictions placed on each other’s embassies in Moscow and Washington, which are operating with skeleton staffs after years of tit-for-tat expulsions. In addition, he said, the United States would engage with Russia about “parameters of what an end” to the Ukraine war would look like. “There’s going to be engagement and consultation with Ukraine, with our partners in Europe and others,” Mr. Rubio said. “But ultimately, the Russian side will be indispensable to this effort.” And finally, he said, Russia and the United States would explore new partnerships, both in geopolitics and in business. He described them as “the extraordinary opportunities that exist should this conflict come to an acceptable end.” Tuesday’s discussions were the first time after Mr. Putin’s invasion in early 2022 that broad delegations of senior American and Russian officials are known to have met in person. In Europe and Ukraine, the news of Tuesday’s talks had been met with confusion and concern. While Mr. Rubio characterized the talks as preliminary, there was widespread criticism in Europe that Mr. Trump’s approach to Russia had not been coordinated with allies of the United States. But for Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed, hosting the talks has offered a major opportunity to solidify his status as a global leader with influence that extends beyond the Middle East. The Saudis, in a Foreign Ministry statement, said they were welcoming the Russians and Americans “as part of the kingdom’s efforts to enhance security and peace in the world.” Like other countries in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia has avoided taking sides in the Ukraine war.
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It has sent humanitarian aid to Ukraine while cultivating close ties with Russia. When a Ukraine peace conference was held in Switzerland last June that excluded Russia, Saudi Arabia and the neighboring United Arab Emirates refused to sign the final joint statement.
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>>1385412 >In Europe and Ukraine, apprehensions are likely to deepen that the United States and Russia could try to strike their own peace deal, sidelining Kyiv and European allies. And that's exactly what is happening. Putin, the Saudis, and Trump are each part of a league of corrupt oligarchical regimes carving up the world between them. The EU and Ukraine would have to be complete idiots to not have seen this coming. I'm surprised Trump didn't also try to consult with Winnie the Pooh and Kim the Nork to ask them if they would like a slice.
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He's a russian asset. Everything he's done has been in service to putin: dismantling government institutions, violating constitutional limits on power, jeopardizing alliances by threatening allies, claiming that ukraine is responsible for being invaded, etc republicans sold the country out to russia in November. I'm not sure what putin has on trump, or if trump is just a wannabe who thinks putin will enrich him like lukashenko, but it's clear that he is serving russian interests from the oval office at the expense of Americans and western allies.
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>>1385420 Care to explain why Russia only gets bigger whenever a democrat is in office?
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>>1385424 Uhh reasons, or something I think. Hey did I mention trumps a dictator and putins puppet?
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>>1385424 >>1385426 How's the weather in Moscow today?
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>>1385424 Biden was literally Putin's puppet.
He had Putin start the war to destroy evidence of his and his son's corrupt dealings in Ukraine.
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>>1385432 There's nothing paranormal about the truth.
If dRumpf was Poutine's poopoopet, why did the war start almost immediately after Bidet took office?
It's obvious to anyone, numbnut. Deflecting and Ivan-calling can't save you from this.
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>>1385411 This is good. When we annex Canada, Russia will have our backs. They'll check any European aggression.
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>>1385411 It's all about China and you're retarded if you can't figure it out.
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>>1385433 >why did the war start almost immediately after Bidet took office If poop really comes out of your butt, why do you always see it in a toilet?
CHECKMATE LIBS
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>>1385433 I honestly can't tell if you're a lead gas huffing Boomer or a Zoomzoom who doesn't know any better.
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socialist pheonix ariseth(in 2 weeks) Wed 19 Feb 2025 18:26:49 No. 1385461 Report >>1385411 M.I.C. would have a Lee Harvey already to go, but tRump will be making up for the Ucrane arms sales with Israel. But better chance of a nuke armageddon in the mid east, so BURN BABY BURN
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>>1385433 >go to war before election >force Trump to respond and hurt friendship or ignore it and hurt his election chances >go to war after election >won't matter too much, Trump can just ignore it (and Trump is already angry at Zelensky for not turning up dirt), it will fade from the memories of the American people by next election >if Biden, Biden is weak and militarily isolationist (especially after Afghanistan), and who cares about his popularity anyways Anonymous
Why does Trump suck Putin's dick and give him everything he wants without getting anything in return? What a "deal". I'm thinking there is some truth to that pee tape rumor.
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>>1385476 to own the whining libs on twitter
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>>1385539 Hope you're happy with the autocracy you voted for. America is fucked and may not recover for generations
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It's become pretty obvious Trump is a flat out traitor to our nation. There is no logical reason for these actions. Unbelievable we've gotten to this point. He and all his cronies should be hanging from lamp posts on Pennsylvania Avenue if anyone in this country had balls.
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>>1385576 >Oh no, we won't get tranny soap opera for generations Anonymous
>>1385576 More happy than I have ever been in my life. Democracy was always a meme. Can't have a natsoc ethnostate in a democracy. Trump is delivering everything we wanted.
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>>1385589 you're not white or american
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>>1385411 >jew york times >>>/trash/ Libtards lost. Take the L with dignity.
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>>1385595 >Libtards lost. Take the L with dignity. Things would be so much easier if they went into the camps like the good NPCs they are.
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>>1385429 I wouldn't know. I live in Arizona. Now can you please explain why Russia keeps gaining territory whenever a democrat is in office? Or are we going to keep up this meme that Trump works for Russia, even though he was the first president to give Ukraine military weapons?
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>>1385611 >i live in arizona LOL. no the fuck you don't faggot
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>>1385619 it's not okay that you're a shill, i doubt you can pay your bills
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>>1385620 Cool cool. Let me know when you can figure out why Russia gets larger whenever a dem is in office. I'm still waiting on an answer.
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>>1385625 enjoy your prison assrape culture faggot
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>>1385626 That's what I thought.
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>>1385628 you thought you were a gay rapist? usually you're in denial about that
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i have to give it to democrats as bad they are, they have been saying trump is a russian shill and turns out it was true all along, it doesn't make democrats any better but trump is much worse than initially thought for sure
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>Ukraine obviously losing the war >Trump pulls out >lefties have a shitfit and call him Russian puppet, despite previously being anti-war I don't understand.
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>>1385633 Because Trump is trying to end the war between Russia/Ukraine that has cost thousands of lives? An end to the conflict where Ukraine still exists? Wow what a fucking shill for Putin.
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>>1385638 I don't understand why you come to this board to shitpost your headcanon. You could go to /pol/ or /bant/ and easily get people to take your bait.
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>>1385638 3 years against the poorest nation in europe and russia still needs help? that's winning to you?
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>>1385639 Undermining NATO and the EU has always been Putin and Trump's shared goal. Trump still wants to build that 100 story tower in Moscow after all.
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>>1385643 >Undermining NATO I wasn't aware that Ukraine was a part of NATO. How are they being undermined? Is the goal to go to war with Russia or to end the conflict right now? If it's the latter then Trump is moving in that direction.
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>>1385644 thanks for admitting you've been a russian shill all along. enjoy your porridge faggot
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>>1385644 NATO is providing more than just logistical support to Ukraine in their fight against Russia's landgrab if that's what you mean.
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>>1385644 Let me guess, you think Biden started the war.
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>>1385641 I mean Ukraine is below repopulation level. They don't have enough men left.
Why are we even pretending that Ukraine was going to win against Russia. What does winning even look like in that context?
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>>1385645 >>1385646 >>1385649 So once again I ask a simple question and I can't get an answer.
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>>1385659 It's like you think we've never seen a loaded bait question before.
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>>1385644 > Is the goal to go to war with Russia or to end the conflict right now? Ukraine's democracy was couped by the CIA because the US wanted the mineral resources in the region. Ukraine joining NATO was just a pretense the US used to force Ukraine into a war with Russia, same as supporting Azov and their purge of ethnic Russians in Donbas.
Ukies fucked up and are now in a no-win situation. If Russia takes over Ukraine, then the US doesn't get to collect on its debt of mineral rights + repayment for the lend-lease program.
Trump is trying to negotiate a surrender for the above reasons.
If zelensky accepted the peace deal offered to him three years ago, then all of those men wouldn't have died for nothing and the US wouldn't have been left holding the bag.
Also, if zelensky resists the US's demands, the US will just seize that shit by force. So yeah.
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>>1385655 Ukraine really should have just given in to Russia's demands. The weak submit, the strong demand. That is the way of the world. That Ukraine tried to resist despite being weak makes it far more culpable for it and Russia's state. Why fight a futile war? It is tantamount to murder.
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>>1385668 >Why fight a futile war? It is tantamount to murder. This but unironically.
You are now remembering the fact that the US and UK prevented Ukraine from entering peace talks with Russia.
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>Everyone in this thread saying Ukraine should have conceded There is such a thing as a "bad" peace, one that guarantees the destruction of the state or future war. History is full of them, from the peace Rome forced on Carthage to the Treaty of Versailles. Russia's demands were that Ukraine give up all the contested land, overthrow their current government, disband the military, and basically bend over if/when they decide to go after Ukraine again. These are nonstarters.
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>>1385641 Ukraine had a fuck ton of undeserved help from the US and you know it
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>>1385676 Most retarded poster in this thread. Ukraine started the war, now Trump is going to end it. Russia is the most /pol/ nation in the world. How can they not be on /ourside/?
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>>1385676 The people of a nation are literally the nation itself. That's why it's important to preserve them first.
This is why NAFOtroons that keep shilling to avert surrender are retarded. They don't want realistic solutions, they want the slavs to grind themselves to dust.
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>>1385681 Tell that to the Eastern Euros or Chinese in WW2, or the Serbs in the Bosnian War.
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>>1385683 Cept the Russians just want whats best for the Slavs. Putin is an ethnonationalist (based); he's not going to genocide the Ukrainians. He's not going to kill them all. He's going to crush their degenerate culture and welcome them back into the motherland.
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>>1385684 I just love it when an strong ethnonat country led by a wise leader crushes a weak, degenerate, sham democracy. First Ukraine, then Canada. The world will know our wrath.
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>>1385691 You are the gayest person on this board.
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>>1385625 >why Russia gets larger whenever a dem is in office >Ukraine has Kursk since 20th January 2025 Russia's gotten smaller since Drumph. Just as prices of eggs, milk & gas haven't gone down since that day. There's your answer.
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>>1385679 >Ukraine started the war Did Ukraine annex Crimea in the same way the Allies annexed Sudetenland before WWII? Did Ukraine invade itself a few years ago? Did the Allies invade Poland in 1939?
Did NATO annex Crimea? Did NATO invade Ukraine?
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>>1385681 >The people of a nation are literally the nation itself. That's why it's important to preserve them first. Bro, Rome's peace deal with Carthage economically, politically, and militarily neutered Carthage. Rome then wiped out 95% of the Carthaginians with barely any resistance a few decades later on trumped-up charges. Their culture was erased, and the few remaining Carthaginians were enslaved and scattered all across the Republic. The Carthaginians ceased to be a people. That's a textbook case of a bad peace leading to the erasure of both a nation and a people.
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>>1385709 >Did Ukraine invade itself a few years ago? It was more like a decade ago.
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>>1385716 >It was more like a decade ago >2022 invasion Death
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>>1385411 Donald Trump is a traitor
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>>1385691 >a wise leader >a weak degenerate https://www.military.com/video/off-duty/odd/akward-moments-with-vladimir-putin/3129473236001 Thanks for admitting that Putin isn't wise but is the leader of degenerate pedos
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/13/trump-makes-inappropriate-remarks-about-10-year-old-girl-video >no normal sane person would so much as think of saying that about, least of leering at, a ten year old girl >leader of the GOP that refuses to make child marriages in certain US states illegal. Its enabler cultists. Thus the Gang Of Pedophiles QED.
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Holy fuck Ivan is seething ITT
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>>1385460 >>1385460 >>1385460 Good for you for having no actual argument so you have to resort to using little baby words like "poopy baby fart" and "dumb dingdong" to get your point across!
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>>1385719 You are a paid shill
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>>1385411 It would be quite strange to strategically abandon Ukraine, so we'll see where this goes I guess. I suspect certain parties are being overly optimistic about Trump's positive relationship with Russia, as if he just handed Ukraine to them on a silver platter he'd go down in history as one of the most incompetent presidents ever.
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0.02 Kopecks have been deposited into your account. Putin values your hrad work,
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Exposing degenerate pedos such as Putin and its enablers - such as the Ivan that is
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0.02 Kopecks have been deposited into your account. Putin values your hard work,
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Exposing degenerate pedos such as Putin and its enablers - such as the Ivan that is
>>1385728 - is it's own reward.
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>>1385737 Actually, I've given this a bit more thought, and I've just remembered Ukraine recently denied the proposal to give us an assload of their mineral resources, so I reckon this could also be leverage to force the issue. Again, a lot of possibilities here.
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>>1385740 That deal is retarded. Not only is 500 billion half their economy, but most of those resources are in the parts Russia occupies anyway. So Trump's solution is either putting our boots on the ground directly or fucking off and letting Russia have all of it.
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>>1385737 >>1385741 Trump couldn't care any less about Ukraine. He just wants to build a Trump-brand hotel and condos in Moscow.
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>>1385741 >So Trump's solution is either putting our boots on the ground directly I have a feeling this is where it's gunna go, or at least the threat of it happening in negotiations, and that's fine.
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>>1385742 I don't think there's a lot of money in Russia tourism and luxury, that place is a shithole.
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>>1385714 >Rome's peace deal with Carthage We are not at war with Russia. We are at war with the intelligence agencies of the United States that keep trying to convince us that is morally necessary to sacrifice the well-being of our countrymen to topple foreign regimes.
Did you ever stop to consider why more than half of America couldn't tell you where Ukraine was on a map before 2021, but suddenly we had Ukrainian flags flying in the halls of congress?
All of these shills saying we need to keep supporting Ukraine don't understand that it's coming at the cost of our people's ability to afford food and homes. Half of them are europeans who are simply leeching off of our military spending and want Russia destroyed, and deserve to be annexed for waging a propaganda war against the American people.
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>>1385759 I think he's talking about the Ukrainians there, not the US. The complete disarmament of the military, reparations, and economic isolation are things the Ukrainians would never accept.
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>>1385761 The Ukrainians don't matter. They don't exist. They're delusional subhumans and useful puppets of the degenerate west who squat on lands that belong to Russia. Z will do what Stalin should have finished.
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>Putin >Wins recent election with 88% of the vote >Ratlensky >Has not had an election ever Why are we supposed to hate Putin again? He is like if Trump were a Slav. Like Trump he is one of the most loved leaders in the world by his serfs.
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>>1385761 We were using Ukraine as our proxy against Russia, not defending them against Russia. We literally caused the regime change in 2014 which led to the events in 2021.
>The complete disarmament of the military, reparations, and economic isolation are things the Ukrainians would never accept. They don't have a choice. They stopped being a sovereign nation the moment we began calling the shots.
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It doesn't matter at this point because Ukraine is one of the most unpopular stances with the American people because of how retarded Biden and Kamala were. You couldn't go on social media without seeing more billions being given to Ukraine while North Carolina was abandoned by FEMA. Even people that didn't vote for Trump were tired of that shit. Most of the US would be completely fine with Ukraine getting wiped off the map at this point
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>>1385766 This. Americans would support sending aid to Russians over aid to Ukraine at this point. America needs allies. Good ones, like Russia.
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>>1385767 Yeah, Russia would keep the Euros in check when we take Canada and Greenland.
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>>1385417 The same day as this Hearth announced cutting the entire US defense budget in half in just five years, so obviously Xi is a target here.
You can also see it in how we went after Canada and Mexico with 25% across the board tariffs, China with small targeted 10% ones. China said "fuck off" and Trump cucked to them.
The icing on the cake though is that the proposal is to have Chinese forces occupy Ukraine as the peacekeeping force (likely in exchange for resource deals). This is nothing short of total capitulation, but then denouncing your allies to make it seem like you're actually winning by switching sides.
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>>1385424 They invaded Georgia under Bush.
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>>1385452 What, cucking to them to defeat them?
0% chance they don't take Taiwan after this cuck shit and the US cutting the Pacific fleet in half.
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>>1385461 Then why are US defense stocks cratering?
They've shed like an 8th of their value just in the month since he was in office and that was before he proposed cutting the Pentagon's budget by 40%.
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>>1385769 The US has no allies. The europoors and leafs have been taking advantage of us for hundreds of years and now stabbed us in the back. Americans are just waking up to the realization that maybe they picked the wrong side during WW2, just as the Russians did a decade ago. That's why we are making alliances with Russia. They are a similar tradbased ethnonat country. They share our values and political goals. They want to topple international leftism and the sham degenerate democracies.
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>>1385766 Trump proposed getting rid of FEMA.
Guess what, people bitch about FEMA literally every single disaster. It's because disasters suck and there is no magic "make everything better button." This happens 100% of the time.
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>>1385774 It shouldn't be the government's job to provide aid after a disaster.
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>>1385773 >We picked the wrong side in WWII >So we should support Russian led denazification? Uhh, shouldn't we be exterminating the Asiatic menace, not cucking to them?
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>>1385771 Not our business. US business is going to be securing Canada and Mexico. China can do whatever it wants. The strong take and the weak submit. China can invade Japan if it's strong enough to do it, we don't care.
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>>1385777 How stupid do you have to be to think things will just work out if you ignore the rest of the world
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>>1385777 >The strong take and the weak submit. >But also we should slash the defense budget in half and pull out of all our alliances and abandon our bases. If you believed the above than intentionally weakening yourself to appease your rivals is retarded.
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>>1385773 Uh... I share zero goals with Russians and don't agree with even a single one of the mentally ill things in your post. In fact, I'm quite angry at Russia for spilling this radicalized political poison in the west, yet again.
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>>1385776 Hitler was denazifying the west, who were the true nazis, just like Putin is denazifying Ukraine.
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>>1385780 >I'm quite angry at Russia for spilling this radicalized political poison in the west, yet again. How/why is Russia such a thought leader in the West? First, communism, now, whatever this ironic groyper-pilled post-truth ethnonationalism that's everywhere.
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>>1385774 FEMA is hated because they have a long track record of being one of the most incompetent and corrupt government agencies we have.FEMA suffers from being a bloated bureaucratic mess that is run by some of the dumbest people imaginable and the FEMA employees all seem to be complete sociopaths. It really would be better to completely dissolve it and start over with all new people and protocols
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>>1385785 Russia speaks the language of misery better than anyone else. No nation has suffered as much and as long as them, and there are a lot of miserable people around the world right now thanks to the decadence of the global elite.
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>>1385785 Self-pity and bitterness is contagious, it's like /r9k/ but in political form. Easier than actually growing up.
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>>1385786 Should we reform it, or just get rid of it?
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>>1385785 It's not. Russia is still a third world shit hole. It's used as a political Boogeyman. The entire Ukraine conflict over the past ten years has just been an excuse to launder money
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>>1385789 Get rid of it. Let private corporations handle it. The private sector will be far more efficient and corruption free, else they lose their market dominance.
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>>1385791 Yeah I can't wait to take a contract with the government and never get paid
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>>1385789 I love in NC and FEMA was retarded after the hurricane. Every protocol they have needs to be scraped and rewritten and they need all new employees and leadership. It's shit at every. People were asking FEMA to help pick up and deliver propane tanks that were donated by private donors in SC and they just flat out refused because they "weren't allowed". They had so many worthless sheboons doing nothing, but they couldn't drive 2 hours to pick up 100 propane tanks. Another private donor ending up donating a semi truck to do. I honestly just want everyone that works at FEMA to go to prison
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>>1385789 Get rid of it.
The local communities and militias would do a better job of disaster response.
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>>1385793 I think getting everyone with a college degree out of FEMA would greatly improve it.
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>>1385681 >NAFOtroons lol why do ESL retards come to an American site and try to tell Americans what to think
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>>1385796 Most of 4chan is slanted towards Russia because Putin is a based ethnonationalist authoritarian who doesn't give a shit about world opinion, which are the ideal traits for a masculine world leader.
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>>1385797 I don't think a single word of that's true.
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>>1385785 The West (US specifically) has been lying to its populace about the need to wage war for literal decades.
Distrust of Russia is obvious, but you can bet on the opposite of whatever the US government says to be true, and be correct the vast majority of the time.
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>>1385799 True, but I would say that anything Trump says can be taken as truth.
> need to wage war for literal decades. Maybe against Russia, but against China and Canada, it doesn't go hard enough.
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>>1385795 They also refused to let two people with private helicopters help evacuate people. Not because of any kind of safety issues, they just wouldn't let them do it. They even threatened the people helping to leave. FEMA should be allowed to immediately release money for fuel to help private donors like that. FEMA just shows up and shits on everyone else during every emergency. This agency needs to go away. You really wouldn't be able to tell a difference if they were dissolved right now and we had an earthquake tomorrow.
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>>1385795 Getting anyone with a college degree out of government would improve it. Would trust RFK a hundred times over someone like Fauci, just like Hegseth is the best defense man we've ever had. Both of these are considered rouges by the establishment. Both of them do not hold degrees in what they are managing, yet they have manage to do more good in a month than any of these college brainwashed leftists. I say we need to get main stream scientists and the people who suck them off out of government.
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>>1385800 That's the funny thing about Trump. He tells the truth and it makes everybody mad.
e.g he undid four years of conditioning by telling everybody that Ukraine was responsible for the war, and nobody wants to acknowledge it, because that would mean all of the retards shilling for Ukraine were wasting their time.
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>>1385803 >He tells the truth and it makes everybody mad. Huh? I live in NJ and everyone I know who has ever worked with this guy has been ripped off. My uncle was going to open up a shop in the plaza and dropped it as soon as he found out Trump was involved. He's infamous for cheating people, I know like 15 different contractors he ripped off.
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>>1385803 Literally everyone, including his own former VP, had the response to this of "Are you retarded?".
You cannot claim a country started a war by failing to negotiate in the face of a sudden invasion. This is like claiming you could've deescalated a situation that started with someone smashing a brick into the back of your head.
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>>1385805 Do you know if they were actually ripped off, or only heard that they were ripped off?
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>>1385807 I know for a fact they were ripped off and not paid in full. I'm not even against trump as a president, he's gunna rip off Russia too. No one is winning at that negotiation table but trump.
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>>1385806 >You cannot claim a country started a war by failing to negotiate in the face of a sudden invasion. That wasn't what he was talking about.
Here's the timeline.
>2014 >Ukraine has a coup (CIA led, Victoria Nuland admitted it) >Donbas recoils, secedes >ukraine initiates terror campaign against ethnic russians on the eastern border >eight years pass >russia offers them a deal: you get to keep everything, just stop bombing ethnic russians along our border >ukraine refuses That's the deal Ukraine refused, which Trump mentioned.
I don't give a shit what Pence thinks, he's a part of the deepstate now.
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posting in a russia shill thread
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>>1385810 Oh yeah that's the other thing: pointing out basic history is now considered Russian shilling now. Because the CIA has gotten so incompetent as psyops that anybody with a google search engine can go back in time past 2021.
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>>1385811 you're a basic lying faggot. everybody sees through your spammed lies which is why you samefag so much
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>>1385809 >stop bombing ethic russians along our border I'm sorry when the fuck did this happen?
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>>1385805 That's called being a good bussiness man.
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>>1385813 Roughly ten years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKacrqOmIw And I know it's dumb to suggest, but go to the /pol/ archives and look up the topic, but search from oldest posts to newest. There were threads about the conflict for years.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/30489166/ Anonymous
>>1385816 you're a russian faggot
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>>1385817 You are a paid shills that is only here to spread disinformation about Ukraine
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>>1385809 You do know that the 'Russian secession' in Donbas was just another Russian invasion, right? There was nothing organic about it. Igor Girkin was a Russian from Russia and almost all the troops he commanded were Russians from Russia who had crossed the border into Ukraine from Russia.
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>>1385822 >You do know that the 'Russian secession' in Donbas was just another Russian invasion, right? Nobody argues that it wasn't a rebellion. The problem is that Ukraine was running a terror campaign which eventually prompted Russia to get involved to force them to stop.
You can't argue that Ukraine was a blameless victim when Azov was capturing passenger buses, breaking out the windows, and forcing the Russian civilians to eat broken glass.
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Jesus christ they really get paid to defend Putin's land grab even on this dead board.
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>>1385828 you'd think they'd produce troop carrier vehicles instead of this stupid shit but i guess lies are more valuable than life in russia
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>>1385827 Russia literally bombed them first you retard.
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>>1385834 Accusing Ukrainian civillians of being Russian nationals doesn't give you a pretense to ethnically cleanse them anon.
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>>1385831 Do you understand how odd it is to be accused of something that you've invented for your own fanfiction for a theater of war?
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>>1385836 russians dying in droves on motorcycles and golf carts isn't a fanfiction. you're a faggot
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>>1385835 I'm sure that mortar bombing that killed four Ukrainian servicemen was just a friendly hello.
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>>1385838 Azov was nailing the arms of children to doors, anon.
I don't know what the fuck you expect me to say to whattaboutisms.
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is everyone enjoying the undeniable proof that faggots get paid to shill for russia on this dead board
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>>1385839 >Source: Dude trust me Anonymous
>>1385841 I literally gave you three sources and you immediately dismissed them as Russian propaganda. You're literally just lying in the hopes that nobody listens to me.
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>>1385842 how odd, I can't seem to find any mentioning that particular incident you literally just said happened.
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>>1385844 My point being, retard, you're unwilling to entertain sources, so another wouldn't do you any good.
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>>1385842 you're literally a lying faggot shilling for a country that would throw your life away without a thought
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>>1385845 literally in your own sources it never mentions anything about arms being nailed to doors. In fact the closest thing I can find on it anywhere is a mention of an Azov guy crucifying someone that got debunked as a Russian propaganda film. They didn't even get the uniform right.
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>>1385846 Nigger, you're the type of person who thinks we should support a war which is forcing our economy to flounder.
You're just like every other faggot Republican traitor who convinced us to march into the Middle East and accused everybody who didn't go along with your faggot plans as being a traitor.
Is that how long it takes for you to sell a new generation on a retarded war? Twenty fucking years?
Kill yourself.
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i made the russia shill crash out
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>>1385847 Sure, let me just dig up a liveleak video I saw eight years ago just so you can dismiss it out of hand.
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>>1385848 >we should support a war which is forcing our economy to flounder. We're literally getting a bonus from what we're sending to Ukraine. It's military equipment we don't need and aren't using anyway, and would otherwise just wind up collecting dust and being sold at a lost a decade later. Plus Russia's economy going to shit over this actually helps us since it deals with competition.
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>>1385850 you need a new job faggot
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God I wish I voted for Harris. I could be in Ukraine dying for democracy right now.
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>>1385850 So, your argument is once again...
>Source: Dude trust me Anonymous
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>>1385853 get on the golf cart and die for your tsar shill
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>>1385851 >We're literally getting a bonus from what we're sending to Ukraine. What the fuck are you talking about. What bonus, where?
Is it going to help me pay my rent? Because I'm the one paying for the war, you fucking cocksucker.
Three hundred billion fucking dollars. Apparently I'm a russian shill if I speak out about it, but you'll gladly take my tax dollars, right?
We could've given ourselves universal healthcare by now if we simply executed every single cocksucker that tried manufacture consent to invade backwater nations.
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>>1385856 you're a russia shill. and a faggot. your fake outrage is embarrassing
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>>1385857 I'm calling your parents.
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>>1385858 i'm calling that you'll be meat for your war any day now
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"For some reason"? Surely even his idiot base knows he's sucking Putin's dick.
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>>1385576 Why are you responding to people who clearly don't have your best interests as an American at heart? They're pajeets. They're Russians. They're cheering for this shit.
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>>1385842 Shut up you fucking lying communist
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>>1385860 why would the leader of the worlds largest military superpower be sucking off the leader of a third-world nation? your shitty conspiracy theories aren't even coherent.
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>>1385877 why do russian oligarchs have massive amounts of stolen wealth that they bribe politicians with
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>he shills ukraine for free
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>>1385884 100% here to call you a faggot actually
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>>1385879 If only there were a single shred of evidence showing any of that. Maybe something the world's premiere law enforcement agency could've turned up in their two year investigation. Damn. Oh well. Guess we'll just have to speculate dicklessly on the internet.
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>>1385891 there's enough proof with your faggotry currently on display russia shill
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>>1385797 >Putin is a based ethnonationalist authoritarian who doesn't give a shit about world opinion, which are the ideal traits for a masculine world leader. Do 'masculine' men kiss little boys' bellies?
https://www.military.com/video/off-duty/odd/akward-moments-with-vladimir-putin/3129473236001 Thanks for admitting that you think pedos are 'based',
>>1385797 .
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>>1385895 yes, you are. imagine shilling for literal demons
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When ukraine commits ethnic cleansing, they are called "rad", "cool" and "protecting democracy". But when I want to commit ethnic cleansing they call me a racist.
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>>1385899 >"protecting democracy" Ukrainians are like the main characters in Helldivers: heroes of democracy.
Ivans are those they fight against: things that don't have the right to exist.
Would you like to know more?
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>>1385902 >Ukrainians are like the main characters in Helldivers: heroes of democracy. Goddamn that's a good analogy.
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>>1385877 I said Trump sucks Trump's dick. I didn't say America can't beat Russia.
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>>1385905 Well, he does suck his own dick. Trump is very clearly sucking Putin's dick. Now keep trying your hardest, little Russian, to pretend otherwise.
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>>1385902 Ukraine sold their soverinty to the Biden's for money. They're also just as stupid and gay as Russians. Both countries need a full genocide and let Americans take the land
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As a Canadian, we should not let any country annex any independent country. It's just wrong and evil to change existing policies that works. Sure we pay high taxes, but that is what pays for our universal healthcare and tuition. Also if we end up part of the U.S, we would have affinity with guns and higher crime rates. It might also affect our commonwealth status. Not only that, we would be stuck with Trump, who is a bully, but also a moron that does not do his research--He falsely claimed Ukraine started the war when it was clear Russia did with their mobilization of troops around the entire eastern border of Ukraine. I watched it live when they illegally crossed. We have over 200,000 Ukrainian refugees for a reason.
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>>1385923 >soverinty You're reduced to shilling. Which, like you, is worth less than a sovereign.
The illiterate are worth less than humans who can spell sovereignty.
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I can't believe zelenskyy is jewish.
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i can't believe trump and putin have visited the western wall
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>>1385953 >Sure we pay high taxes, but that is what pays for our universal healthcare and tuition. Also if we end up part of the U.S, we would have affinity with guns and higher crime rates. It might also affect our commonwealth status. I would pay twice as much for a service if it meant that my money wasn't going to the aid of some leech.
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>>1385424 Your premise is false. Russia is not and has not gotten bigger.
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>>1385986 Except no one care about Ukraine, except eurotrash who would be better off allying with Russia and feeding them Ukraine.
Former commies really have no rights either, so it's whatever.
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>>1385987 >Russia hasn't got bigger! >Yes it has. See this. >n-No! That doesn't count! Anonymous
Iknow this isn't /his/, but Trump has been a Russian asset since 1977.
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>>1385996 Then no wonder Russia can't take Ukraine. Their own assets are supplying the enemy with weapons.
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>>1385974 >twice as much lol, that'd be better than what we currently have:
>Collection agents for the state of Iowa have sent letters seeking millions of dollars from the estates of at least two people with disabilities who died after spending most of their lives in a state institution. >The amounts represent what Medicaid spent covering the residents’ care when they lived at the Glenwood Resource Center, a state-run facility that closed last summer. >The bills are extraordinary examples of a practice called Medicaid estate recovery. Federal law requires states to try to collect money after some types of Medicaid recipients die. The point is to encourage people to use their own resources before relying on the public program. But some states, including Iowa, are particularly aggressive about the collections, national reports show. >Joy Higgins was stunned by a letter she received a few weeks after her 41-year-old daughter, Kristin, died last May. The letter was written on Iowa Department of Health and Human Services stationery. At the top, in bold letters, it said, “Re: Kristin Higgins.” >“Dear Joy Higgins,” the letter read. “Our sincere condolences to you, as we understand the above person is deceased.” >The letter explained that any money Kristin Higgins left behind would have to be remitted to the state to help repay Medicaid $4,263,148.67. Her family had 30 days to respond. https://www.mmm-online.com/news/iowa-medicaid-estate-recovery-families-disabilities-collections/ You aren't an American if you don't live with the anxiety of medical debt hanging over you like a sword of damocles.
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>>1386007 >Kristin Higgins’ only income was a Social Security disability benefit of $1,105 monthly. Most of that went directly to the state institution. Just $50 was set aside monthly as an allowance for personal expenses, according to a state ledger obtained by her family. “They knew exactly how much she had,” her mother said. Fraud, waste, and abuse. Why does she deserve 1105 a month handout? You work for your pay or you die. Thank God for Elon Musk, who's on the case.
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>>1385996 Ukraine was still going to lose, and you were never going to be a woman.
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>>1385762 's opinions don't matter. >>1385762 's post doesn't exist. >>1385762 is the delusional useful idiot of the degenerate Putin that squats on land it never had the right to in the first place. Z is finished.>>1386016 Russians are still losing, and you & Trump will never be men.
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>>1385478 > to own the whining libs on twitter There’s none left, they all moved to bluesky
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>>1386020 NTA, bullshit. Eromancer is still on twitter/x whining about nazis in Oklahoma or wherever the fuck instead of making his stupid porn game.
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>>1385784 Ah, it all makes sense now. But since /pol/ told me Nazis were based doesn't that mean I should think Hillary and Nuland are based because they are most Nazi?
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>>1386321 >Russian Bots say Ukrainians are Nazis >Trump says Zelenskyy is a dictator So Ukrainians and Zelenskyy are more than based, they're superior to Trump & Putin.
Thanks for admitting that. Either you agree with the infinite superiority of Ukrainians and Zelenskyy or you no longer have the right to think the way you do about Putin & Trump, and must say that they're inferior because they're dictators. Choose wisely.
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>>1386321 >Russian Bots say Ukrainians are Nazis >Trump says Zelenskyy is a dictator So Ukrainians and Zelenskyy are more than based, they're superior to Trump & Putin.
Thanks for admitting that. Either you agree with the infinite superiority of Ukrainians and Zelenskyy or you no longer have the right to think the way you do about Putin & Trump, and must say that they're inferior because they're dictators. Choose wisely, o rightards of /news/.
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>>1385411 Good, I hate Europeans. Canadians are ok, though. I like maple syrup.
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>>1385769 Ukraine was always about EU expansion, and EU benefot, same shit with Libya. It makes jo sense in a world where America is waning to support half a hillion Europeans. Russia is a better ally than EU could ever be.
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>>1390666 (SATAN GET)What in the state sponsored troll farm is this post