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Come on VP Mike Pence!

Anonymous Sat 02 Jan 2021 16:37:45 No.757746 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>757896 >>758235 >>758367 >>758430

VP Mike Pence Can Place Himself Next to Thomas Jefferson in the History Books by Standing Up for the Rule of Law on January 6th

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/loui-gohmert-sues-mike-pence-overturn-biden-victory-election_n_5fea4a49c5b64e442105a608?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMHiCJrXpYQYURGHaAGV2whV4pLN7c8dw6ZyN5JAT5RMm6xIqvoM5D8TsYhJ-mkvxRSV7LbScqOBs-iJB0Kv1laFpO7ywWi3jsbtV8qj1kuJ9wBPRcbSTaW9uU7YgyQjdOQkZoRa_KP4y0T0JcX46SQQr2aO1XbCMgk6zcXHPLfa

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jan 2021 16:46:29 No.757751 Report

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/01/politics/gohmert-pence-electoral-college-lawsuit-thrown-out/index.html

Oops.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jan 2021 20:46:51 No.757885 Report

Quoted By: >>757895 >>758249

The Vice-poodle will be forgotten in a couple of yrs if he does the right thing, but be remembered a 100 yrs from now if he is naughty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jan 2021 21:01:54 No.757895 Report

Quoted By: >>758128 >>758203

>>757885
if he acts outside his legal authority couldn't that be challenged in court?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Jan 2021 21:06:14 No.757896 Report

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>>757746
>Rule of Law
Way to say "Israel"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 04:46:24 No.758128 Report

Quoted By: >>758140

>>757895

It's a silly scenario to consider, though. Mike Pence declaring that Trump won when he didn't would be just as valid as you or I declaring the same. It wouldn't need to be challenged in court because it would be utterly meaningless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 05:48:57 No.758140 Report

Quoted By: >>758165

>>758128
it's outlined in the constitution that the vice president is responsible for counting the electors. there are already a few senators contesting the count anyways so it would just take him not counting the contested electors to force a contingent election in the house. far fetched, sure, but not unconstitutional or without historic precedent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 06:19:29 No.758143 Report

Quoted By: >>758144

Here's how Bernie can still win

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 06:27:24 No.758144 Report

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>>758143
I can't believe Trumpers are this deluded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 06:48:23 No.758148 Report

Quoted By: >>758152 >>758153 >>758201

Why do Americans have elections if you think that the way the next president is decided is, you ask the current vice president and whoever he chooses gets to be president next?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 06:51:41 No.758150 Report

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>>758144
They give money to a billionaire, whilst the wolf is at the door.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 06:53:54 No.758152 Report

Quoted By: >>758155 >>758168 >>758201 >>758205 >>758235 >>758271 >>758402

>>758148
Why have elections when you can just print out counterfeit ballots and have the media gaslight you into presidency?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 06:55:09 No.758153 Report

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>>758148
Our education system leaves a lot to be desired.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 06:57:32 No.758155 Report

Quoted By: >>758158

>>758152
>Why have elections when you can just print out counterfeit ballots and have the media gaslight you into presidency?
Nah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 07:03:51 No.758158 Report

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>>758155
Exactly, fuck democracy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 07:10:47 No.758161 Report

Quoted By: >>758179 >>758207

Business Insider
Pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood insists he is not insane after tweeting that Mike Pence should face execution by firing squad

https://news.yahoo.com/pro-trump-lawyer-lin-wood-123415836.html

Trump Lawyer Lin Wood says Justice John Roberts Is Murderous Pedophile

>>756793

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 07:39:10 No.758165 Report

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>>758140
>not without historic precedent
when?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 08:22:24 No.758168 Report

Quoted By: >>758402

>>758152
Literally this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 09:15:57 No.758179 Report

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>>758161
Except Lin Wood is just careful enough NOT to say Roberts is a murderous pedophile.

>You are recorded discussing Justice Scalia’s successor before date of his sudden death. How did you know Scalia was going to die?

This doesn't actually say Roberts killed Scalia. It dances around the implication that he did, but it doesn't say it. That way, Lin Wood is safe from being sued, because he can point out that the only CLAIM he actually made is "You are recorded discussing Justice Scalia’s successor before date of his sudden death" which is perfectly true, and Wood's defense is then that it's not his fault if someone else makes the leap of logic that Roberts killed Scalia.

>Are you a member of any club or cabal requiring minor children as initiation fee?

Same trick again. If he actually said "you are a satanist who has eaten children" then a case could be brought against him, but you can't sue someone for ASKING "Are you, and I remind you you are under oath, a satanist who has eaten children?"

Because a question is not a claim.

If Lin Wood is good at one thing, it's the I'm Not Touching You game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 11:11:40 No.758201 Report

Quoted By: >>758208

>>758148
Not what we do
>>758152
Did not happen lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 11:20:49 No.758203 Report

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>>757895
>couldn't that be challenged in Supreme Court packed full of religious and right-wing fuck nuts?
Certainly. It's called a "feature," not a "bug."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 11:23:10 No.758205 Report

Quoted By: >>758208

>>758152
Sauce?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 11:25:44 No.758207 Report

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>>758161
>Lin Wood insists he is not insane
Trumpistian mongoloids who have escaped their /pol/ containment playpen post here all the time, larping as perfectly sane people. they're not. They can't even tell how fucking crazy they are and think they post in "English."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 11:30:30 No.758208 Report

Quoted By: >>758415 >>758522

>>758201
>>758205
>they didn't see the video where a poll worker was handed stacks of unmarked mail-in ballots to fill out
wew
do your research

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:17:54 No.758235 Report

Quoted By: >>758238

>>757746
This is getting sad. I wonder what the next step will be when the so-called Alternate Electors amount to nothing.

>>758152
So much evidence...you're unable to prove it in court.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:21:00 No.758238 Report

Quoted By: >>758240 >>758246 >>758248

>>758235
>unable to prove it in court
you can't prove anything when they won't hear the case
there's a reason the entire movement is sidestepping courts right now and going straight for state legislators in hearings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:23:25 No.758240 Report

Quoted By: >>758244

>>758238
They've heard the case, several dozens. All of the cases were literally laughed out.

>going straight for state legislators in hearings
And this is going to amount to nothing no matter how many Trumpers show up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:28:16 No.758244 Report

Quoted By: >>758254

>>758240
>And this is going to amount to nothing no matter how many Trumpers show up.
you should watch them some time, you might happen to see some of that hilarious evidence you keep pretending doesn't exist

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:31:04 No.758246 Report

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>>758238
>you can't prove anything when they won't hear the case
Every state court has heard every allegation of fraud that was pled in state court.

The few federal courts that found standing heard them as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:33:18 No.758248 Report

Quoted By: >>758251

>>758238
>there's a reason the entire movement is sidestepping courts right now and going straight for state legislators in hearings
Because they can lie their asses off and not get perjured.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:33:46 No.758249 Report

Quoted By: >>758407 >>758445

>>757885
> The Vice-poodle will be forgotten in a couple of yrs if he does the right thing
Will he now? Tell that to President-elect Biden.

Pence is obviously distancing himself from Trump's last ditch lunacy in order to set himself up for a Presidential bid in 2024.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:37:18 No.758251 Report

Quoted By: >>758260

>>758248
>Because they can lie their asses off and not get perjured.
numbers don't lie bitch nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:41:15 No.758254 Report

Quoted By: >>758261

>>758244
I don't need to pretend. All the mountains of evidence could not stand up to legal scrutiny. Lin's last ditch has been to pray to God that Pence gets killed and replaced by Pompeo. Now that's hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:49:45 No.758260 Report

Quoted By: >>758262

>>758251
But they can be fabricated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:49:49 No.758261 Report

Quoted By: >>758291 >>758301

>>758254
>legal scrutiny
and when did this happen?
the cases were refused, not investigated

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 12:50:49 No.758262 Report

Quoted By: >>758264

>>758260
it's the states' own data you dumb faggot, the same shit they used to "certify" the results

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:10:27 No.758264 Report

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>>758262
Some retard telling you the state's data says something is not the same as the data actually saying that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:26:36 No.758271 Report

Quoted By: >>758272

>>758152
Still waiting on any actual evidence that holds up in court.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:29:22 No.758272 Report

Quoted By: >>758279 >>758291 >>758301

>>758271
nothing has been challenged in a court

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:36:17 No.758279 Report

Quoted By: >>758290

>>758272
Costantino v. Detroit alleged fraud, which was heard and ruled on in Michigan state courts as manifestly uncredible.

>nothing has been challenged in a court
The reason courts don't rule on fraud is because

- lawsuits don't allege fraud, or
- they refuse to do so in state court, where they have standing

In the few cases where states have alleged fraud in state court, those allegations have been ruled on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:46:36 No.758290 Report

Quoted By: >>758295 >>758301

>>758279
ah, one case
where's the dozens of others
>In the few cases where states have alleged fraud in state court, those allegations have been ruled on.
source - dude trust me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:48:24 No.758291 Report

Quoted By: >>758302

>>758272
>>758261
https://tucson.com/news/local/federal-judge-tosses-last-lawsuit-that-remained-against-arizonas-election-results/article_e2e4ed09-f0f5-51db-992c-676483d116de.html

support their claims of fraud fail in their particularity and plausibility,” the judge wrote.

“Plaintiffs append over 300 pages of attachments, which are only impressive for their volume,” Humetewa said. “The various affidavits and expert reports are largely based on anonymous witnesses, hearsay, and irrelevant analysis of unrelated elections.”

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/07/federal-judge-upholds-michigan-election-the-people-have-spoken/3854998001/

"The closest plaintiffs get to alleging that election machines and software changed votes for President Trump to Vice President Biden in Wayne County is an amalgamation of theories, conjecture, and speculation that such alterations were possible," she said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:50:29 No.758295 Report

Quoted By: >>758302

>>758290
>where's the dozens of others
They don't exist, because Republican lawyers generally refuse to file lawsuits alleging fraud in state court.

>source - dude trust me
When courts dismiss without hearing cases, they need a reason. If they don't reach the merits, it's because they ruled on standing or laches. Every single case not dismissed on standing or laches needed to be dismissed on... the merits.

The Trump campaign has standing in state court to challenge fraud cases, and fraud committed in Nov. 4 election was not barred by laches. They simply didn't file any such cases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:57:05 No.758301 Report

Quoted By: >>758303 >>758304

>>758290
>>758272
>>758261
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/trump-legal-team-cases-dropped-436492
“Sinister, fraudulent motives were ascribed to the process and to the City of Detroit. Plaintiffs’ interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible,” wrote Chief Judge Timothy Kenny.

Trump’s lawyer, Kory Langhofer, also admitted in court that some of the questionable affidavits in support of the suit were collected as part of an online evidence-gathering process that invited “spam.” He also used his business partner as a witness, called other witnesses who were unable to say they were disenfranchised and undercut Trump’s public messaging about fraud.

In an earlier Pennsylvania case where Trump’s team tried to stop ballot-counting, the president’s lawyers were forced to admit that a “nonzero number of” Republican observers were allowed to witness ballot counting, contrary to false claims made outside the courtroom that no Republican observers were present. The judge reminded Trump’s lawyers they have a “duty of candor” in court.

Another recently filed Pennsylvania case argues that it will provide data-based “analytical evidence of illegal voting” at a future date. A newly filed Wisconsin case references “fraud” 31 times, but only to point out fraud in other places and races and provides no evidence of it happening in the state for this election.

In Montana, federal Judge Dana Christensen had harsher words for yet another team of Trump lawyers who were trying to stop mail-in voting in October when he called the claims widespread voter fraud “fiction.” And two days after the election in Michigan, federal Judge Cynthia Stephens rejected yet another lawsuit.

“Come on, now!” she admonished the lawyers at one point during a hearing. In her opinion, she referred to the campaign’s argument as “inadmissible hearsay within hearsay.”

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:57:57 No.758302 Report

Quoted By: >>758307 >>758309 >>758404

>>758291
>judge threw it out based on opinions
thoroughly legally challenged and investigated
>>758295
>they need a reason
clearly not, if they can just contend that the merits are sheer impossibilities based on their feefees

either way, the legislatures are seeing the evidence

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 13:58:10 No.758303 Report

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>>758301
(cont)
The courts have been unsympathetic to the conspiracy theories and lack of evidence presented in Nevada, where judges all the way to the state Supreme Court have swiftly rejected Trump campaign arguments. A GOP-produced list of allegedly illegal voters in the state turned out to be legal voters who were soldiers, sailors and their spouses stationed elsewhere. A Nevada woman’s claim of voter fraud also proved so meritless that a federal judge rejected another Trump lawsuit.

On Friday, the Trump campaign dropped its ballot-counting lawsuit in Nevada.

In Georgia’s Chatham County, a lack of documentation of wrongdoing led a state court judge to say last week there was “no evidence” to support a Trump lawsuit challenging the counting and handling of mail-in ballots.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:00:01 No.758304 Report

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>>758301
>In an earlier Pennsylvania case where Trump’s team tried to stop ballot-counting, the president’s lawyers were forced to admit that a “nonzero number of” Republican observers were allowed to witness ballot counting, contrary to false claims made outside the courtroom that no Republican observers were present. The judge reminded Trump’s lawyers they have a “duty of candor” in court.
let us not bother with the required number of observers
thank you for the politico article I needed something to print out and wipe my ass with

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:00:01 No.758305 Report

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The basic problem is that the "evidence" is a bunch of signed affidavits by people claiming to have seen voting irregularities, but who don't actually know what the regular process looks like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:00:46 No.758307 Report

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>>758302
>clearly not, if they can just contend that the merits are sheer impossibilities based on their feefees
Courts don't rule on "feefees", they rule on the evidence presented to them by the parties.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:02:32 No.758309 Report

Quoted By: >>758310

>>758302
Trump's claims of fraud are all bullshit and none stand up to scrutiny in court. I'm not going to hold your hand and walk you through how the legal process works.

Guiliani can fart his way through every state legislature if he wants. All the electors have been certified because there was no evidence of fraud on the scale that would change the results.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:03:19 No.758310 Report

Quoted By: >>758313 >>758314 >>758322

>>758309
>on the scale that would change the results
:^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:05:37 No.758313 Report

Quoted By: >>758330

>>758310
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-voter-fraud-republican-felony-charges-casting-ballot-for-dead-mother

A few isolated instances like this that were caught. Nothing like Trump is alleging, but keep gargling his bullshit all you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:05:52 No.758314 Report

Quoted By: >>758330

>>758310
Nobody claims that voter fraud never happens. In all likelihood, it happened the same rate this election as every other election - the Heritage Foundation has found ~1,500 cases in 25 years - so one could estimate that there was some similar amount of voter fraud this year.

Bill Barr agreed, ask him about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:14:23 No.758322 Report

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>>758310

Well, we know people cheated, and they got caught - because they tried to falsify ballots to give that looser Trump more votes. So we know there was electoral fraud because Trump was behind it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:27:24 No.758330 Report

Quoted By: >>758331 >>758412 >>758546

>>758313
>>758314
of course there is always fraud, they even caught a Trump voter doing it and wasted no time reporting on it
the part that's funny is the brainlets thinking you need a million votes or some grand conspiracy when the margins are often less than 10k in many areas

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:29:46 No.758331 Report

Quoted By: >>758333

>>758330
Oh okay, so you're admitting you have no evidence of anything coordinated or widespread like Guiliani and Powell are alleging, but you just know there were lots of isolated cases where votes were changed or added for Biden?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:34:37 No.758333 Report

Quoted By: >>758334

>>758331
>you're admitting you have no evidence of anything
wut
>but you just know there were lots of isolated cases where votes were changed or added for Biden?
they don't just know they have the shit clear as day visible for all to see
there's a fuckin slew of cases flying around and they aren't all about the same issues in every state

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 14:38:12 No.758334 Report

Quoted By: >>758343

>>758333
Oh that Georgia suitcase thing that was already investigated by the Georgia Secretary of State and they determined it was nothing?
Zero evidence. Okay.

I'm sure the courts and investigators got it wrong and we should listen to GuilianI and that woman Jackie Hicks who made a point to say she wasn't acting in the capacity of a lawyer before her blatant lying about the footage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 15:03:55 No.758343 Report

Quoted By: >>758355

>>758334
>investigated by the Georgia Secretary of State and they determined it was nothing?
didn't investigate shit
>Zero evidence
wrong as hell
GA can't even audit their own votes properly

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 15:44:41 No.758355 Report

Quoted By: >>758369 >>758378 >>758423

>>758343
Just because you don’t like the results does not invalidate them. This is something you conservatives must learn to cope with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 16:23:03 No.758367 Report

Quoted By: >>758396

>>757746
Good idea! Cast more doubt on the election! Delay the inauguration! Do you know what that will get you on January 20th?
>President Pelosi
Hahahahaha
You /pol/acks should really read the constitution before you go off splurging in fantasy land.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 16:27:33 No.758369 Report

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>>758355
They are special snowflakes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 17:31:41 No.758378 Report

Quoted By: >>758394

>>758355
>Just because you don’t like the results does not invalidate them.
Conservatives will never learn to cope with this. All they've been studying for the last four years is to change reality whenever they don't like something. Their venerated leader is a billionaire New York grifter who has never been honest with them about anything. I'd have to say that the vast majority of them have permanently lost their ability to engage with reality. We're going to be hearing about this stolen election grift from them for the next decade. They'll never give it up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:25:27 No.758394 Report

Quoted By: >>758403 >>758405 >>758426

>>758378
Serious question for you Americans.
I don't care if Trump or Biden gets elected so please avoid the usual name calling diversionary tactics.
Can you explain to a non American (me) how Biden can only get 16.7% of the counties to vote for him but won the election.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:33:10 No.758396 Report

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>>758367
>president pelosi
it's been a while since there's been a good fight, and people need a decent outlet for their pent-up frustration.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:42:10 No.758402 Report

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>>758152
>>758168
cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:44:53 No.758403 Report

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>>758394

Because red counties are all the small rural ones where hardly anybody actually lives. The cities have way more people and tend to vote Democratic. Blue counties are responsible for 70% of our country's GDP.

Red counties are actually over-represented by our electoral college, by population.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:45:02 No.758404 Report

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>>758302
>if they can just contend that the merits are sheer impossibilities based on their feefees
>"The closest plaintiffs get to alleging that election machines and software changed votes for President Trump to Vice President Biden in Wayne County is an amalgamation of theories, conjecture, and speculation that such alterations were possible,"
trumptards are using their feefees as the basis for their cases, which is why they're getting thrown out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:46:57 No.758405 Report

Quoted By: >>758413

>>758394
>Can you explain to a non American (me) how Biden can only get 16.7% of the counties to vote for him but won the election.
I don't know if those are the exact county percentages but I'll answer generally - because land mass doesn't vote. The counties that voted for Biden have the highest population count. Trump voters tend to be rural voters - meaning they live in more remote counties that have fewer people. Urban centers tend to vote Democratic. That being said, if Trump wins 100 counties but only 10,000 people live in all those counties and Biden wins 2 counties with a population of 2.5 million then logic would dictate that it isn't the number of counties that elects a president but the number of people who live in said counties.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:47:29 No.758407 Report

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>>758249
I think Pence stated he doesnt want to run for President, though I could be confusing that for Biden saying he only wants to run for one term. Idk how claims of not wanting to run for president usually stand up when the time comes, though

I think he's just aware that the useful idiot has run out of usefulness, and sees how if Trump gets his way and a precedent is set, that that's probably the most simple way for the union to end

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:51:52 No.758412 Report

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>>758330
>they even caught a Trump voter doing it
yep, the system working as intended. you would think there would be some evidence of the fraud you claim Biden committed, but there is none. not even a million dollar bribe from Texas republicans could come up with a single instance, where such a far-spread conspiracy to commit election fraud would 100% have someone willing to endure four more years of the orange retard for a million dollars

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:54:38 No.758413 Report

Quoted By: >>758434

>>758405
to add to this, less populated areas(or at least states) do get a higher weight per vote due to the EC, but not enough to swing in Trump's favor in this election

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 18:57:16 No.758415 Report

Quoted By: >>758416

>>758208
Rudy should take that video straight to the supreme court then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 19:04:13 No.758416 Report

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>>758415
Really any court will do. He won’t of course because you cannot make shit up in court.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 19:18:58 No.758423 Report

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>>758355
They aren't going to cope with it because they've lost all connection to reality. The most pathetic part is that talked shit for 4 years about how the left reacted in 2016 but they're doing the same thing but worse. Hillary conceded on night 1 and didn't spend 2 months trying to undermine democracy while cultists sent death threats around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 19:20:23 No.758426 Report

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>>758394
Land doesn't vote, people do. The counties Biden won had higher populations, the ones Trump won were podunk backwater boonies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 19:40:21 No.758430 Report

Quoted By: >>758432 >>758454

>>757746
>All this and Trump just fucking exposed himself by demanding that Georgia "Find" votes for him on a recorded tape

Fucking hell the meltdown is gonna be hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 19:44:22 No.758432 Report

Quoted By: >>758433

>>758430
What is the source on this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 19:46:57 No.758433 Report

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>>758432
Glad you asked anon.
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html

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Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 19:48:20 No.758434 Report

Quoted By: >>758576 >>758586 >>758587 >>758636

>>758413
Ok. Thanks for the reply.
As a foreigner I had always assumed that all the States had equal voting power when it came to the Electoral College (i.e. 1 state = 1 vote) but I see now from your explanation that some States have more power than others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 20:18:00 No.758445 Report

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>>758249
Pence has no chance. Zero charisma and part of an unpopular presidency? That would be like Spiro Agnew running for president.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 20:46:02 No.758454 Report

Quoted By: >>758529 >>758532

>>758430
https://youtu.be/o3hrN0cP58Y
AHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT THIS IS PATHETIC

>I heard some rumors about dominion conspiracies, please say you have something that'll help me find 11,780 votes....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 22:01:38 No.758522 Report

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>>758208

If your bullshit and innuendo flew in court, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 22:12:45 No.758529 Report

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>>758454
>You should want to have an accurate, fair election!
>....We have had an accurate, fair election
>No no no you don't, no no no

SAD!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 22:18:12 No.758532 Report

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>>758454
Full tape is out now, but it really isn't too different. He talks about the same exact election fraud examples but for almost an hour straight.
>We don't need dominion because we have so many other votes that we don't need to prove it any more than we already have
lel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 22:42:18 No.758546 Report

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>>758330
>when the margins are often less than 10k in many areas
10k instances of fraud in a single American state would be more cases of voter fraud than have been found in all 50 states put together in the last forty years combined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 23:15:30 No.758576 Report

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>>758434
yeah we have a couple hundred EC votes. you can see by this map that more populated areas do have more EC votes, but the very low-density population areas have more EC votes per capita

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3701f.cp000001/

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g3701f.cp000001/

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Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 23:36:21 No.758586 Report

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>>758434
Part of this was a constitutional compromise between what were, at the time of its writing, rich farm states and urban states, that, back then, had economies that ranged from poorer to on par.

These days of course the urban areas are the economic backbone of the nation, while the rural lands are subsidized just so they can be viable on the international market.

But, there is also a core principle involved, one that the founding fathers used to sell the senate and the EC to those rural states: That, to use the Star Trek shorthand, the needs of the many should never too much outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. The rural states are, by their nature, inevitably more the type of rugged individualists that you probably think of when you envision the paragon American.

...and that's what has made American democracy different from all the others that came after it for the over 244 years. It's what gives America its unique character.

Nearly all Americans have at least a begrudging admiration for the lone free cowboy of the old westerns. That's kind of the ideal the GOP exists to preserve. So while you might not always want them in charge, you don't really want to eliminate them entirely either. Old cowboys always have some sage advice.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 23:38:35 No.758587 Report

Quoted By: >>758618

>>758434
Part of this was a constitutional compromise between what were, at the time of its writing, rich farm states and urban states, that, back then, had economies that ranged from poorer to on par.

These days of course the urban areas are the economic backbone of the nation, while the rural lands are subsidized just so they can be viable on the international market.

But, there is also a core principle involved, one that the founding fathers used to sell the senate and the EC to those urban states: That, to use the Star Trek shorthand, the needs of the many should never too much outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. The rural states are, by their nature, inevitably more the type of rugged individualists that you probably think of when you envision the paragon American.

...and that's what has made American democracy different from all the others that came after it for over 244 years. It's what gives America its unique character.

Nearly all Americans have at least a begrudging admiration for the lone free cowboy of the old westerns. That's kind of the ideal the GOP exists to preserve. So while you might not always want them in charge for practical reasons, you don't really want to eliminate them entirely either. Old cowboys always have some sage advice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 23:53:20 No.758594 Report

Quoted By: >>758599 >>758605

I feel like every discussion I have with a Trump supporter is pulling teeth and they're always arguing in bad faith. Can't wait until Trump's out. Fuck him so much and what he's done to the country.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Jan 2021 23:55:23 No.758599 Report

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>>758594
Arguing with retards is retarded, Anon. What were you expecting from discussions with Trump supporters? They're actually defending his latest shenanigans over the phone in Georgia. They're literal retards.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 00:03:41 No.758604 Report

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>>758599
I think people are fundamentally good, but just very, very easily misled and radicalized sometimes. I keep trying to appeal to that good.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 00:05:55 No.758605 Report

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>>758594
If you're talking about the post above you - I'm not a Trump supporter - quite the opposite. I think he's just about the worst man to have in charge, as he's a totally selfish asshole with no care for his party or his nation.

Though, at the same time, I'm willing to admit we sometimes need assholes like that, and he may yet teach us a lesson in his arrogance as he takes a torch to the nation - it just doesn't look like we're ready to learn it.

(Also, to reply to a post, click on the post number in the header.)

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 00:07:03 No.758606 Report

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>>758605
Sorry. I wasn't responding to anyone in particular. It was a general vent and maybe out of place for the thread.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 00:07:45 No.758607 Report

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>>758604
I love your type, but, fair warning, you are going to have a really rough time here, and it may do more harm to your outlook than good.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 00:08:46 No.758611 Report

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>>758606
Meh, sorry for feeling attacked and snapping at you then. At least it wasn't yet another out of context fleshbot posting a random propaganda link.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 00:19:18 No.758618 Report

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>>758587
>That's kind of the ideal the GOP exists to preserve.
fucking lmao do you actually believe this.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 00:52:38 No.758636 Report

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>>758434
Just to expand on what everyone else said, here's the actual math behind the electoral college if you're interested. Every state gets a number of EC votes based on the number of representatives it has in the federal legislature (Congress). There's two chambers of Congress: the Senate, in which every state gets 2 senators, and the House of Representatives, in which every state gets a number of representatives based on population (minimum 1, distributed from a total of 435). Thus the minimum number of EC votes a state can have is 3 (2 senators + 1 representative), while the current largest EC vote state is California with 55 electors (2 senators + 53 representatives). These numbers change every 10 years after the census results as representatives are reallocated based on population (we used to add new reps as the population grew, but then someone realized that 400+ dudes is pretty ridiculous, so now we just reorganize the pool of 435).

Nearly every state grants the entirety of their electoral votes to the popular vote winner of their state (exceptions being Maine and Nebraska, who split their EC votes proportionally between winner and runner-up), thus the county to county results do not matter. Counties, as arbitrary subdivisions of states, are not determined by population, and thus it is possible to win an entire state by winning only one very populous county. On the other hand, congressional districts ARE determined by population, and every state has a number of districts based on the number of representatives in the House as they are the divisions that pick each individual representative (determining the boundaries of these districts is highly contentious, as it is entirely possible to create districts only one party can win, which is the source of the term "gerrymandering"). However, congressional districts also have no effect on Presidential elections, but statistically you're less likely to win without carrying a majority of districts within a state.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Jan 2021 08:47:37 No.758893 Report

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>>758618
Well... It's how they sell themselves to themselves, at least. Speaking of the party at large, not of the leadership.

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