>>569591>texas>being involved in a conversation about best /out/ statefuck off. i lived there for 3 years, and everyone shit their pants when a storm brought an 18" swell. you're whole coast is written off
>>569594in addition to death valley ca has j tree, mojave, anzo borrego, owens valley...
>>569685i'll concede crater lake is more scenic, but tahoe is more well rounded-bigger, beaches, accessible for boating and swimming, and has better accompanying attractions like backpacking, climbing and skiing