>>2097474>>2098116Thanks for the info, I am admittedly a poorfag so all these options seem expensive to me, I don't want to scratch up my roof. Not to mention that the price for the kayak has increased since I last saw it so now even the lifetime brand kayak is outside of my comfort zone as far as personal luxury purchases are concerned. Seems there isn't a way to break into this hobby without shelling out some (in my world) serious money. Yes I pinch pennies like a jew.