>>865857Not that guy but I agree with him, they'd be better off starting with at least a $30 walmart tent, ozark's aren't the worst for their value or pic related. Plus if you buy a warranty Walmart will replace that shit like dozens of times if it ever breaks down. From what I've seen using a tarp straight up is usually reserved for bushcraft, ultralight, and experienced outdoorsmen because you're a bit more exposed. Not something I'd start someone just getting into backpacking with, it could leave them with a bad taste in their mouths.