>>343606and here is my army ruck. Not even cheap. Usually around $100 with the frame USED. and when I say used theyre used hard. Do not ever buy one, you can get a decent hiking bad for the same price. Look up the magellan pinejack, its my 2nd bag. $40...the kelty redcloud 1q0 was $240 tho. However their smaller bads are half that.