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the old twenty guage...will make dead pretty much anything ..not a deer/elk gun...but with a lot of skill..not a bear gun..but you up a tree, shot to the head close range, you can climb down now..good little small game getter, self defense, cheap, damn near indestructible, easy to clean, breaks down quick, for in/on your pack, slugs, birdshot, turkey shot..buy one for around a hundred bucks or less from flea mkt, no paperwork, this is a short barrel, long barrel better for hunting, can get 308 barrel, 22, etc...make you not as likely to piss your pants when you hear whatever the hell that is in the night