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Heres some on topic OC since someone mentioned making their own pack out by copying a 250 dollar design. Posted in a /diy/ thread today too but i finished a few das ago. 11.8 oz without the hipbelt, the belt is about 3.5oz. Probably 50l if you include the space in the mesh pockets. This is V2, it's made of Xpac and Lycra, copies simple pack and some SWD designs, measurements for strap placement stolen from ULA ohm. Maybe 60 buck in materials and about 8 or 10 hrs of time including designing. I took sewing in HS for the easy A but it's actually a super useful skill. Feel free to ask questions