>>11497395 lanes wide including fagpool lane.
I hate living in Mordor, but opportunity comes with compromise and the north side is just closer to the rim country.
Shea to HWY 87 & the rim lakes.
L101 to Ben Avery or Lake Pleasent.
South Scottsdale and Tempe Town Lake was ok for a pond. I moved north 2.5 yrs ago, you should see the new "lakeshore" builds now.
I can't complain, water inna desert is a boon no matter! Kinda miss the old Devilhouse, tho.