>>2331641Very smoothbrain take. Beta means moves. A line drawn on a picture/drawing of the crag is not beta. Books take time and effort. Mountain project doesn't even come close to the amount of specific info a guide will give you. Seems like you never went climbing anywhere remotely unknown either.
>>2331642Wrong. Many, many routes don't follow the logical approach you may think on the ground because the first ascender decided so. Imagine believing an onsight is negated because you saw the grade and outline of the route. A facepalm doesn't even come near to explaining how retarded your comment is.
