OP here ended up getting a pair of 5.11 Ridge pants and they are pretty awesome, much better in the heat for sure.
>>2143948Are the versions really that different? I didn't try on 4 pairs of pants cause i'm not a chick but it seems like the main ones are the stryke, taclite pro, apex/ridge (sales guy said apex and ridge are the exact same except ridge is slightly thinner at the bottom)
this is now a 5.11 thread