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How to pack a backpack.

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2017 03:29:33 No.1043105 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1043114 >>1043116 >>1043772 >>1046529

>more specifically where to put the tent?

Hey guys. So I got the pictured pack, Osprey Aether 70 AG and I am having trouble figuring out where to pack my tent. It's a Kelty Salida 2, and is kind of bulky and 4.5 lbs in it's little carry bag.

Is this something that you should carry on the outside of your pack? I could easily fit it on the outside, but then the rain cover wouldn't go over it all, and it might throw the balance off. Is this something I should be packing inside it, near the top?

Sorry I am backpacking nude, and having trouble figuring out how I am going to fit all my gear in this bag, which still doesn't seem that big. My REI Magma 10F bag is just bursting out of the sleeping bag compartment at the bottom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2017 03:38:38 No.1043114 Report

Quoted By: >>1043116 >>1043120

>>1043105
You pack each part of the tent separately, not as a big bulky bag. Only thing I'd accept is to put the poles on the outside. Everything should fit inside easily.

With a 70 L pack, the poles should probably be fitting inside too, unless you've got some crazy gear requirements or bear cans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2017 03:40:53 No.1043116 Report

Quoted By: >>1043120

>>1043105
>>1043114
It might also be helpful to post your entire gear list, maybe with pictures. Chances are you can leave some gear at home.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2017 03:42:05 No.1043117 Report

Quoted By: >>1044434

Heavy stuff at the bottom and priority stuff at easy access points and everything else in points that are more "storage".

Ultimately, pack and repack your pack with various amounts of gear like 100 times until you find out what you can really fit in your pack. The weight distribution only matters if you intend to set records or are terrified of sore muscles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2017 03:45:34 No.1043120 Report

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>>1043116

Yeah I am currently working on that. I can probably do that in the next day or two. Going to work on it myself a bit first.

>>1043114
Wow never thought about doing that. Will try!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Jun 2017 03:46:42 No.1043121 Report

Quoted By: >>1043654 >>1046645

Darwin on the trail has a YouTube video about this I watched recently

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Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:54:19 No.1043654 Report

Quoted By: >>1043656 >>1043673

>>1043121

Thanks. All those videos helped. I have room now, but I got to cut back on what i carry.

Anyone else carry a lantern that uses the stove gas canisters?

>pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 00:59:00 No.1043656 Report

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>>1043654
>what is a luci light

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:19:31 No.1043673 Report

Quoted By: >>1043713

>>1043654
It exists, so somebody is using it but it is impractical and wasteful compared to modern LED bulbs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 02:08:36 No.1043713 Report

Quoted By: >>1043746

>>1043673

It gives off a lot of heat. I use it as a tent warmer/campfire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:22:28 No.1043746 Report

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>>1043713
>Gas powered heater in tent
Now your getting into stupid territory. It will only be effective if you have poor air circulation, which could also potentially lead to CO poisoning.

Your sleeping bag is for keeping warm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Jun 2017 04:08:00 No.1043772 Report

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>>1043105
>Sorry I am backpacking nude

This can only make packing easier.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 01:29:09 No.1044434 Report

Quoted By: >>1044438 >>1044625

>>1043117
>Heavy stuff at the bottom

Nope. When packing an internal frame pack you want the heaviest stuff in the middle and close to the frame. There it's closer to your center of gravity and not dragging on the pack suspension as much. That's why most packs these days have zipper access at the bottom. Put your sleeping bag in the bottom and stack your heavier gear on top of it, keeps the heavy stuff up higher and acts a little like a shock absorber.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 01:32:37 No.1044438 Report

Quoted By: >>1044454

>>1044434
The version I heard is that you have to put the heaviest at the top so it pushes directly down on you instead of dragging you backwards

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 01:48:47 No.1044454 Report

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>>1044438
That's a more common technique for external frame packs. Internal frames it's best to keep heavy in the middle. Regardless of frame style, heaviest things should not go in the bottom.

>t. Avid backpacker, former /out/fitter and guide

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 02:55:25 No.1044500 Report

Quoted By: >>1044502

Using a stuff sack for your sleeping bag and tent inside your bag is a mistake too. Treat your backpack as if it were the stuff sack and use them to fill dead space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 03:00:57 No.1044502 Report

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>>1044500
I use a large stuff sack for my sleeping bag. The fabric used for down bags can be pretty delicate. It still allows the sleeping bag to conform to the shape of the pack.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 06:50:49 No.1044625 Report

Quoted By: >>1046032 >>1046522

>>1044434
this looks so wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 15:27:14 No.1044769 Report

Quoted By: >>1045989

I'm looking for a good backpack that's profile won't get stuck on foliage since I'm mostly backpacking Florida dense forests but I also like kind of a rugged, military look on my bags what would you recommend /out/? I also want it to have plenty of pockets to carry all my fishing gear when I go on my lake hopping trips

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 19:04:30 No.1044882 Report

Quoted By: >>1044907

I got a waterproof backpack, but it doesn't have any pockets besides the main one, so I guess it's more like a sack you strap on your back. A backsack. Anyone got any good tips on how to pack stuff into it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Jun 2017 19:47:56 No.1044907 Report

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>>1044882
Through the hole

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 01:11:01 No.1045860 Report

Quoted By: >>1045991

Ok guys. Getting my pack and gear together.

How much should my pack fully loaded, with water weigh? I've got a 100oz bladder that alone is 7lbs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 01:50:33 No.1045900 Report

Quoted By: >>1045909 >>1045991

I guess is there a total limit to what your gear should weigh, or what you should be carrying in/on your pack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 02:02:02 No.1045909 Report

Quoted By: >>1045931

>>1045900

I mean should I be counting my hat, sunglasses, boots, etc with my total gear weight goal?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 02:27:57 No.1045931 Report

Quoted By: >>1045949

>>1045909
Anything that will be carried in or attached to your pack (including the pack itslef) is your total pack weight. Dry weight is the same, minus food, fuel and water.

Typically the clothes you will be wearing are not included in the total pack weight afaik. So don't include boots and only include sunglasses and hat if you plan to have them in your pack most of the time.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 02:43:25 No.1045949 Report

Quoted By: >>1045965 >>1046006

>>1045931

Thanks bro.

Here is my first round of getting gear together. Dry weight (so no water, food or fuel) is 26.13 pounds. This is not including any clothes, which I have yet to get sorted and weighed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 03:06:04 No.1045965 Report

Quoted By: >>1045990 >>1046006

>>1045949
>saw
>mall ninja knife
>glow sticks
>3 pairs of sunglasses
>lotion bag
>metal water bottle
>work gloves
>wallet
>flashlight
>torch lighter
>pelican case

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 03:23:52 No.1045989 Report

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>>1044769
See if you can snag a USMC rucksack on the milsurp market. It's an internal frame made by Arc'teryx without any of the real benefits of an Arc'teryx, but it's still a pretty good bag over-all and can be reasonably affordable. They tend to go for anywhere from $85-140 for the actual rucksack.

Be aware that a lot of ebay sellers will call the USMC assault pack a rucksack, so pay attention to the pictures. While it's also made by dedbirb it's a lot smaller and doesn't have a frame, and isn't worth nearly as much (though also a good bag).

Only downside is you'll be stuck with woodland MARPAT since the very few coyote tan ones that make it to the market command prices that'd get you a new Gregory of similar size.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 03:26:42 No.1045990 Report

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>>1045965
>saw
For cutting down trees, branches if needed for camp. Might be redundant with...
>mall ninja knife
Doubles as a machete for clearing brush, I've used this for splitting logs for tinder
>glow sticks
Are fucking awesome, and very helpful for camp at night
>3 pairs of sunglasses
1 pair, with clipons
>lotion bag
What?
>metal water bottle
What?
>work gloves
Yeah so? Keep my hands warm and safe.
>wallet
What?
>flashlight
Yeah I can see it being overkill with a headlamp, phone and keychain light
>torch lighter
So? It's awesome. Also have backups matches
>pelican case
Definitely could lose that, and some of the extra batteries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 03:28:39 No.1045991 Report

Quoted By: >>1045995

>>1045860
Unless you're absolutely destitue and stuck with milsurp or are taking superfluous shit because you like to, no more than 45lbs.
>>1045900
It is dangerous to your health to exceed 1/3 your body weight with total items carried (this includes clothes, boots, the shit in your pants pockets, etc). As a result a good guideline is your pack should be no more than 1/4th your body weight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 03:31:21 No.1045995 Report

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>>1045991

Yeah. I'm aware of that. I'm 5'10" 180. I'm shooting for 25lbs or under, dry. I'd hate to cut my knife or saw, but the binos, batteries, and a lot of the amenities could go. That would save a few pounds.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 03:42:42 No.1046006 Report

Quoted By: >>1046018 >>1046021

>>1045949
Why are you taking binoculars (I'm assuming that's what the Vortex case is)?

Why do you have all of the following:
>folding saw
>giant shit-tier chink tanto
>decent fixed-blade
>lack of a wood stove
>what appears to be an iso-fuel stove in a ditty bag
>multi-tool with a knife
?

Ditch the tanto regardless, and think about ditching the folding saw unless you are ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE you will need it. Doesn't look like you have any reason to need a wood fire and I can't think of any other reason to have all that crap.

Are you taking the chemlights just to fuck around with?

Why do you have 3 pairs of sunglass cases (presumably containing sunglasses)?

You seem to have a ton of superfluous bullshit in your toiletries bag, and I understand why >>1045965 called it a lotion bag, it looks like there's 6 bottles of lotion or hand sanitizer in there. Should be toothbrush, toothpaste, soap, maybe floss, 1 small bottle of hand sanitizer. Deodorant is pointless and antiperspirant can actually be dangerous in certain climates.

I understand wanting Q-tips but get one of the travel packs with like 15 of them instead of that ~100 pack and simply refill it when you get home.

2 flashlights and a headlamp is overkill. At the very minimum ditch the little keychain light.

The pelican case with spare batteries is overkill, get rid of it completely. If you have lights that are worth even a quarter of a shit they will provide months of routine use on 1 set of batteries or several days' worth of emergency use (constant on for extended periods). Hell the $30 Petzl headlamps available now have 800+ hours' runtime on medium.

Take the packaging off your repair kit and emergency bivvy.

Please identify the circled items in pic related, I can't even tell what the fuck they are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 03:51:41 No.1046018 Report

Quoted By: >>1046024

>>1046006

I agree with the big knife and saw. Would probably ditch the saw, and keep the knife because i can still chop trees and use it to clear brush/trails.

Chemlights are just for light at night.

Sunglasses, clipons, and glasses. Wear contacts mostly though.

Yes I agree with the amenities. Could cut a bunch of that. Acknowledged.

Same with q-tips. Like I said this is a first run.

Got very good lights. Batteries are probably overkill, but will bring at least just one extra pair for each, instead of two like pictured.

No repair kit, but will do for bivvy.

Circled items are from top to bottom, left to right...

>Pack towel, a reusable microfiber towel
>battery pack to recharge phone, gps or headlamp
>extra battery pack for GPS

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 03:56:10 No.1046021 Report

Quoted By: >>1046024 >>1046558 >>1046649

And to elaborate on this....

>>1046006
>Why do you have all of the following:
>>folding saw
>>giant shit-tier chink tanto
Cold Steel Oyabun. Far from Chink shit, although made in Tawain. Have had an abused the shit out of it for over 15 years.
>>decent fixed-blade
Bradford knives Gaurdian 3. M390 steel. I would consider it pretty near the top of fixed blades that size.
>>lack of a wood stove
See below.
>>what appears to be an iso-fuel stove in a ditty bag
Yep.
>>multi-tool with a knife
No knife on it. Just pliers, scissors and tweezers. Only reason I have it is the pliers desu, senpai. Have scissors and tweezers in the medical pouch. Will drop it, unless those are useful for something.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 04:02:00 No.1046024 Report

Quoted By: >>1046028

>>1046021
>>1046018
>headlamp
>2 flashlights
>AND chemlights
You have more than enough light for night. Ditch at least one (preferably the chemlights).

Pack towel is good to have.

2 battery packs plus a box of batteries is not. The GPS is the only thing you might actually need to rely on and it looks like a Garmin so it has at least 100 hours' runtime, 1 battery pack will do it for anything under 10 days' trip time.

I mistook your packaged toothbrush and toothpaste for a DBX-branded repair kit for your sleeping pad. Take it out of the package and put it in the toiletries bag.

Is that not a Leatherman Style CS? If so it has scissors and a knife on it, and not pliers. Pic related.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 04:06:02 No.1046028 Report

Quoted By: >>1046039

>>1046024

It's a PS not CS, so no knife.

If I take all that out, I save maybe a pound. Not huge but pretty good. I don't think the Garmin gets that good battery life, and I wouldn't want to rely on one battery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 04:12:42 No.1046032 Report

Quoted By:

>>1044625
Why

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 04:21:11 No.1046039 Report

Quoted By: >>1046040

>>1046028
Huh. Didn't even know the PS existed. Looks like a shittier version of the Gerber Dime, but whatever if it works for you.

I disagree with you on the quality of the Cold Steel tanto, I've yet to touch a single product from Cold Steel I'd consider anything but irredeemable garbage. Personally I'd ditch both the tanto and the folding saw but if you're only gonna get rid of one, keep the folding saw since it's both lighter than that giant chunk of steel CS calls a knife and more useful to boot. With you not needing to make wood fueled fires due to the iso stove your Bradford should be plenty of knife.

Tweezers are always handy and weigh so little I wouldn't recommend dropping them until you're experienced with other aspects of ultralighting. I can't say I've ever wanted much less needed scissors while hiking though, my Style CS lives on a lighter leash on my fishing bag.

I have a Garmin Etrex and usually get 3-4 days' usage out of a charge with the factory battery, and since it uses standard cellphone batteries I bought a chinese 4300mAh flush-fit replacement and get 7-8 days' use out of it. It's supposed to have 16 hours' continuous screen-on time with the factory battery, which IIRC is only a 1200mAh. Either way, ditch one of the battery banks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 04:26:13 No.1046040 Report

Quoted By: >>1046649

>>1046039

I've had the Cold Steel for over 15 years. I'll keep it over the saw. I use it as a machete for clearing trails, and can use it as an axe/saw for chopping trees. I use it way to much and it's too good to give up. I can't use the saw to chop brush in my way as I hike.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 22:23:56 No.1046522 Report

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>>1044625
Well it isn't. It's the best way to pack an internal frame pack.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 22:30:21 No.1046529 Report

Quoted By:

>>1043105
Buy a headlamp and stop being a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Jun 2017 23:37:35 No.1046558 Report

Quoted By:

>>1046021
Obviously, all of this stuff could have a use out on the trail. That's not the point. The relevant question is "Do I absolutely need this?" If you can make do without, or with something lighter, do it. You will regret every ounce of weight you packed when going up a hill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jun 2017 01:15:09 No.1046645 Report

Quoted By:

>>1043121
How do you watch his videos when he constantly bugs his eyes out and makes weird facial expressions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jun 2017 01:20:37 No.1046649 Report

Quoted By: >>1046743

>>1046021
>>1046040
>beat up the tanto for 15 years
>it still looks brand new
why do people tell such obvious, idiotic lies?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jun 2017 03:29:51 No.1046743 Report

Quoted By: >>1046746 >>1046754 >>1046830 >>1047822

>>1046649
>>it still looks brand new

How could you possibly tell from that photo, and with it in the sheath? You got some problems you need to work out bro.

Anyway I cut a bunch of the stuff I knew needed to go, kept the extra GPS batter. Down to 24 lbs dry, minus the clothes.

I think I will be around 35lbs wet, with clothes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jun 2017 03:33:41 No.1046746 Report

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>>1046743
damn is this a katana? can i baton with this knife?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Jun 2017 03:46:04 No.1046754 Report

Quoted By: >>1049724

>>1046743
>called on obvious bullshit
>better smear some spit on it so it looks used!
nigga that ain't 15 years of abuse, batonning, and being used as a machete

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Jun 2017 05:59:06 No.1046830 Report

Quoted By: >>1047828 >>1049724

>>1046743
Because there is no wear and tear on the sheath or on the rubber handle. Since rubber is soft you should be able to see wear like a balding car tire. Did you only use it twice in 15 years?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jun 2017 15:42:30 No.1047822 Report

Quoted By: >>1047830

>>1046743
Can we stop for a second to recognize how soft, supple and unworn the skin on that palm is. This is man who avoids all manual labor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jun 2017 15:51:00 No.1047828 Report

Quoted By: >>1047837 >>1049724

>>1046830
Is that rubber or plastic? I think rubber would turn brittle and crack after 15 years. It would also make a pretty crappy handle for a knife.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jun 2017 15:55:28 No.1047830 Report

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>>1047822
Bet he gives a great HJ tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jun 2017 16:07:34 No.1047837 Report

Quoted By: >>1047844

>>1047828
It's rubber.

I had that knife, years ago. One days' regular usage and there was visible wear to the handle.

Dude's full of bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Jun 2017 16:14:58 No.1047844 Report

Quoted By: >>1049724

>>1047837
I don't think that knife is 15 years old, let alone beat on. Rubber does not hold up well over time.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2017 05:49:37 No.1049724 Report

Quoted By:

>>1046754
>nigga that ain't 15 years of abuse, batonning, and being used as a machete

I've had it for 15 years. I've used it various amounts each of those 15 years.

>>1046830
>Because there is no wear and tear on the sheath or on the rubber handle. Since rubber is soft you should be able to see wear like a balding car tire. Did you only use it twice in 15 years?

Wrong. There is. It's Kraton, not rubber or plastic.

>>1047828
This is true. I use great lotion daily, and enjoy my cushy office job.

>>1047844
>I don't think that knife is 15 years old

Sure it is. It's probably older. I believe I bought it in 2001. Taiwan made, Cold Steel Oyabun.

>pic related

Wear on handle and "rubber" I am surprised how well it holds up after all these years when i often bang on the handle part sometimes batoning wood.

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