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Homegrowmen Thread #107 Farming and Gardening

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 13:07:18 No.1115602 View View Reply Original Report

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Old thread: >>1110706

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Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 13:20:11 No.1115610 Report

Quoted By: >>1115683 >>1119103

My relatives have a nice big rural plot that they are letting me plant some shit on - I want to buy some ginseng and sow it in the shaded areas. Anyone able to recommend good sources of seed? I'm in Ontario, Canada.

I was thinking about this site here: http://www.hardingsginsengfarm.com/ginsengseeds.htm

But, I've never actually tried to grow ginseng and don't know whether seed or live plants is the best way to go.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 15:02:00 No.1115667 Report

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Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 15:03:45 No.1115668 Report

Quoted By: >>1115683

>>1115667
This is him now, feel old yet?

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Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 15:42:17 No.1115683 Report

Quoted By: >>1115730

>>1115668
>negari-style pepper bonsai training

I bet tomatillo plants would make for some wicked banyan-style bonsai.

>>1115610
The website looks fine. Ginseng seeds take TWO YEARS to stratify. They are almost as tough to germinate as black elderberry seeds. That website should have info on germinating, but I recommend live plants, if you live within a few days mailing of the company. You may want to call them about shipping arrangements and pay extra for speedy deliveries. I find that cool weather shipping is best for plants. They tend to get cooked during summer months and frozen during winter months in transit.

If you get a crop growing, make sure to save your seeds and get those to germinate to spread the crop even more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 15:44:24 No.1115684 Report

Quoted By: >>1115687 >>1115725

>want to put logs in a raised bed like hugelkultur
>want to fill gaps with sand instead of organic material because don't want it to sink down, maybe cover with compost
is this a terrible idea and why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 15:48:51 No.1115687 Report

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>>1115684
It will still sink down regardless. Adding a bit of sand means you need to think about the proportions of other materials. Too much sand can be a problem. There should be some compost down inside in the first place to allow deep roots something to use.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 16:51:53 No.1115725 Report

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>>1115684
One of the best things about hugelkultur beds is that they hold water so well. Adding tons of sand instead of twigs/coarse wood chips would definitely make this less effective. It'd also decrease the other positive stuff--you'd have like 70% of the work of hugelkultur while losing out on a lot of the benefits.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 17:03:26 No.1115730 Report

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>>1115683
>negari-style pepper bonsai training
Had to look that up, but yes. Turning em into bonsai was my original reason to grow beppers, and I love those bare root looking ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 18:07:22 No.1115773 Report

Quoted By: >>1115781

>>1115667
growth well little pepper!

guys i have a severe tick problem in my worm farm!!!!! plsif you guys know a way to get rid ot his little pest PLS TELL ME

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Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 18:33:47 No.1115781 Report

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>>1115773
Most likely just mites and harmless.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 19:25:11 No.1115807 Report

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>>>/an/2499749
>best soil? some people say orchid mix because its chunky and airy, but others say coarse soil blocks airflow

Normal soil works just fine. They are not too picky. Just don't pick a mix that stays soggy after watering.

>peat containing soil or no? some people say as long as its not the main ingredient, others say as minimum as possible

It is fine, just don't over do it.

>best fertilizer? pretty much the only thing they agree on, bone meal and fish fertilizer
>humidity dome or no on the propagator? (will be using a heating mat)

A dome will be better than not having it. They love heat and humidity. If aerial roots start forming in great numbers, let in more air flow. Remember, there should always be airflow to begin with.

>grow light yes or no? if yes are the standard red/blue ones ok or should i get one with uv/ir too?

If it is indoors, yes. The type doesn't matter so long as there's lots of it and it is close to the leaves. For optimal performance, get special grow LEDs based on any of the several online charts. Really though, anything will work in a pinch.

>anything else i should know?

Seed germination needs moisture, heat, and light for best and fastest germination. Pruning is also a thing. Look that up too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 21:59:20 No.1115891 Report

Quoted By: >>1115898 >>1115902

pine bark for veggie garden? good/bad idea? used to shredded palm tree but I ran out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 22:09:12 No.1115898 Report

Quoted By: >>1115902 >>1116010

>>1115891
As long as you grow acid-loving plants like tomatoes and blueberries. Squash and beets may have some issues. You could always test your pH and adjust accordingly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Oct 2017 22:19:05 No.1115902 Report

Quoted By: >>1116010

>>1115898
>>1115891
It is fine and has the same problems/benefits that any other mulch has.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 01:20:24 No.1115994 Report

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>>1115494
you were right, i just changed the pot and the roots were already circling around, the new one is not that bigger either but i did order something off amazon.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 01:49:40 No.1116010 Report

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>>1115902
>>1115898
cool

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 02:47:59 No.1116044 Report

Quoted By: >>1116227

Hey guys, its been a quick minute.

Outside, all my straw bales are disintegrating, and all the tomatoes have fallen over. They're all about ready for the compost pile. Pill bugs got to my pumpkins about two months ago, so I ripped them out. The pill bugs are also drilling holes in my eggplant, and squirrels are chewing up every available tomato.

Cosmos and Marigolds are about shot, but I did manage to harvest some decorative corn and a sunflower the size of a trash can lid. Planted some wheat in one of the toxic railroad tie planter beds.

It's been getting down into the fifties at night, so I've begin the migration of things indoors. Pictured is my small indoor aquaponics setup. It's just a continuous flow in two tubs filled with gravel. The lettuce on the lower shelf needs a new light, and I think the marigolds are starting to rot instead of root. The tomatoes are trying to root in though!

I mainly didn't want to keep the goldfish outside all winter. Even with a heater they probably would have died. They're pretty cramped in this 10 gallon, so I might be buying another tank or stock tank for them to live in.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 03:35:46 No.1116076 Report

Quoted By: >>1116203 >>1116231 >>1116246

Have a garden with shitty mounded beds. I want to make proper raised beds for next season. I was thinking the best way would be to put up the walls now, fill with compost, wood chips and newspaper, and top up with loam in the spring. Any downsides to this? Would it be better to wait til spring to build the beds? Dangers to beds with really high organic matter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 04:24:28 No.1116090 Report

Quoted By: >>1116159 >>1116160 >>1116231

Whats the most efficient setup to grow potatoes indoors

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 07:28:58 No.1116159 Report

Quoted By: >>1116214

>>1116090
Seriously, why the hell?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 07:30:10 No.1116160 Report

Quoted By: >>1116214

>>1116090
probably NFT like here

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20170005429.pdf#page=11

some of the refs include nutrient management, PPF vs Pn response, etc

assuming no greenhouse/sunlight, these are the most efficient publicly available lights i've seen

https://chilledgrowlights.com/independent-lab-reports/gen2-led-grow-light-module-lab-report

some others are here

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0099010#pone-0099010-t003

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 11:25:46 No.1116203 Report

Quoted By: >>1116216

>>1116076
wouldnt you want to put loam on the bottom

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 12:08:09 No.1116214 Report

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>>1116159
This is a gardening thread, not a why the hell thread

>>1116160
Thanks mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 12:16:17 No.1116216 Report

Quoted By: >>1116235

>>1116203
Would I? Would that be better than adding it to the top and using a fork to mix it into the top few inches?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 12:40:18 No.1116227 Report

Quoted By: >>1116246

>>1116044
Interesting. Also, next time raise the pumpkin fruit up off the ground. If you have mulch and it is in wet weather, pull the mulch back away from the plants to help prevent problems with isopods and gastropods. When things dry out, put the mulch back. Update with pics of the tomato plant. I don't think the tank looks crowded. How many fish are in it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 12:45:19 No.1116231 Report

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>>1116090
In a large pot with lots of light. Like a 5-10 gallon pot. Though, 5 gallon is pushing it.

>>1116076
When I was first making my raised beds they were full of branches, yards waste, grass clippings, manure, and kitchen scraps. On top of that I put a 4-6 inch layer of good soil made from compost, basically a loam. I went ahead and planted in it. Tons of mushrooms popped up, the plants did okay, and the soil was really really warm from all the activity under it. It cooled off as summer arrived and more mushrooms popped up. I didn't have any problems.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 12:54:56 No.1116235 Report

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>>1116216
well i would think that you put loam on the bottom, because that way the nutrients from the compost would sink down into it. otherwise you're fertilizing the ground underneath the bed where lots of your plants wont reach

t. a novice, im just ruminating

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 13:21:00 No.1116246 Report

Quoted By: >>1116265

>>1116076
Look up Hugelkultur.

>>1116227
>pumpkin fruit
It didnt even get a chance to set fruit, they ate the vines. No mulch, just regularly watered. Probably should have let it dry out a few times a week.

>crowded
like eight 2" goldfish in 10 gallons of water

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 14:09:02 No.1116265 Report

Quoted By: >>1116559

>>1116246
That's really odd. I never had trouble with isopods eating the vines. Only vine borer moth larva have ever caused problems with the vines.

>>1116246
>like eight 2" goldfish in 10 gallons of water

Most people have 5 to 10 gallons of water for every pound of fish.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 17:01:06 No.1116327 Report

Quoted By: >>1116329 >>1116580 >>1116629 >>1117612 >>1120258

A bit of an update.

The season is such that the leaves are changing color on the trees and littering the ground. It's been dry and cold, but the latest hurricane has brought constant mist and humidity to kill you. I've been yanking out dead vines and harvesting the last of many of the crops. I made some mistakes this year and I was lazier than I intended to be. All in all, this was the best year, for the farm, on record.

Here's the current carnage of the fall rot.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 17:02:58 No.1116329 Report

Quoted By: >>1116580 >>1116629 >>1117612 >>1120258

>>1116327
This year's compost pile is pretty big and I need to combine another pile of yard waste with it. There's lots of volunteer tomatillo plants, squash plants, and tomato plants popping up in it. The old compost pile "pumpkin hill" it ready to be shoveled into the raised beds as soon as they are cleared. The lower garden is churning out green leafy plants for potherbs and salads. The basil is in full bloom too. Helpfully, it will give a good amount of seeds. I'll be dehydrating tomatillos, peppers, and random stuff today.

One luffa sponge's vine died early and it dried out enough to harvest. I hope all of them end up at least this well off. Last time I grew them, they were all green and had no seeds ready inside. It took forever separating the skins and seeds from those then washing out all the slime. This one was as easy to clean as banging it on something hard, slipping the entire skin off and shaking the seeds out. It only needed washing with a bit of soap to be clean. Less than half its seeds seem to be viable.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 17:19:03 No.1116341 Report

Quoted By: >>1116424 >>1116479

I have two questions for anons.

Firstly I am trying to grow trumpet and shiitake mushrooms in a plastic drawers for over a month now but I haven't noticed any growth thus am starting to get worried. I make sure the wood dust is damp and I boiled the wood dust before letting it cool injecting with the spore pellets. I did notice a very faint musty smell besides the smell of the wood itself. Just getting worried because I think I may have screwed up somehow but I don't know how.

Secondly is there anyway to inoculate mycorrhizal fungi into plant containers? I don't know how but would like to do so. I have access to a worm farm and a compost pile will that work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 19:46:58 No.1116424 Report

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>>1116341
>shiitake

So long as it doesn't get too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, or has mold it will do fine, just wait longer. What type of wood are you using?

>mycorrhizal fungi

Yeah, that is pretty easy. You can either buy some online to use or hunt up some strains that are flushing and use those. There are many strains. Some are difficult to get to flush for eating, but that doesn't matter too much if you are only using them to enhance the nutrient and water uptake for your plants.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 20:03:04 No.1116436 Report

Quoted By: >>1116447

Whats this? Oh, just some late season hanging pot watermelons. God bless dfw growing season.

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 20:18:09 No.1116447 Report

Quoted By: >>1119498

>>1116436
Are those new ones or the same ones from way back? They should be ripe by now I'd think. What color are the spots on their bottoms?

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Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 21:27:00 No.1116479 Report

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>>1116341
>Secondly is there anyway to inoculate mycorrhizal fungi into plant containers?
You can buy it. It's pretty cheap on Amazon and well worth the purchase.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 23:20:32 No.1116559 Report

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>>1116265
>Most people have 5 to 10 gallons of water for every pound of fish.

Goldfish are particularly foul. They poop like no other fish

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 09 Oct 2017 23:39:57 No.1116580 Report

Quoted By: >>1116592

>>1116327
>>1116329
That's still vrey impressive anon, I know how much work all that takes. Which hurricane screwed you?

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 00:02:20 No.1116592 Report

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>>1116580
All of them.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 00:48:54 No.1116629 Report

Quoted By: >>1116656

>>1116327
>>1116329
what a goddamn mop of a garden

[spoiler:lit]extremely jelly[/spoiler:lit]

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 01:01:20 No.1116643 Report

Quoted By: >>1116644 >>1116656 >>1116698

Guava.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 01:02:30 No.1116644 Report

Quoted By: >>1116646 >>1116656 >>1116698

>>1116643
Dwarf lemon.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 01:05:50 No.1116646 Report

Quoted By: >>1116656

>>1116644
Dwarf valencia.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 01:29:46 No.1116656 Report

Quoted By: >>1116659 >>1116698 >>1120258

>>1116643
>>1116644
>>1116646
Looking good. I wish I had more trees in my orchard. Next season I will be taking cuttings from tons of local fruit trees.

>>1116629
It has been a good year, despite some hiccups.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 01:38:42 No.1116659 Report

Quoted By: >>1116661

>>1116656
I have also planted nectarine, louqat, dwarf lime and feijoa trees.

And I don't have a large plot. This will be a challenge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 01:43:44 No.1116661 Report

Quoted By: >>1116663

>>1116659
Nice. I've been running out of large-tree room and have stared using espalier methods to conserve space.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 01:47:25 No.1116663 Report

Quoted By: >>1116694

>>1116661
>espalier methods
What's that?

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 02:10:10 No.1116678 Report

Quoted By: >>1116696 >>1116711

For the people from last thread asking me why I have mimosas indoors:

>>1115259
>>1115294
Idk man, i think they are pretty and i started having them in my room. Its weird because right now if i expose them to direct sunlight they will close up and curl a bit, they only open up if i roll down a bit my curtains. My climate is mediterranean by the way.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 02:30:40 No.1116694 Report

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>>1116663
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espalier
https://www.google.com/search?q=espalier+orchard&tbm=isch

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 02:36:34 No.1116696 Report

Quoted By: >>1116771

>>1116678
Don't listen to the haters, mimosa are aesthetic af. If its been indoors the whole time, its just sensitive to direct light. This can be fixed by gradually increasing exposure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 02:40:20 No.1116698 Report

Quoted By:

>>1116643
>>1116644
I wish I still lived in a place I could grow these outside(of a greenhouse)

>>1116656
This is nice too. Everything I have is crammed into small planters. Oh well, it did well enough last year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 02:58:38 No.1116711 Report

Quoted By: >>1116963

>>1116678

Look into tamarind or lignum vitae

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 03:44:53 No.1116771 Report

Quoted By: >>1116776 >>1116958

>>1116696
>Don't listen to the haters
You try having that shit grow rapidly and drop dozens of seeds just from a tiny 3" tall plant. I fucking hate mimosa, I hope whatever soulless antperson that introduced it to America is in Hell where they belong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 03:57:15 No.1116776 Report

Quoted By: >>1116782

>>1116771
Maybe it just nostalgia, but I loved having those things when growing up in Houston.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 04:03:50 No.1116782 Report

Quoted By: >>1116784 >>1116812 >>1116911

>>1116776
Yeah because you lived in Texas not a humid Southern state. My neighbor let it get out of control in her backyard and now the shit is everywhere and it's hard as fuck to get rid of. I've resorted to boiling water to kill the fucking things because cutting it down or pulling it just spreads more goddamn seeds. I had to solarize every inch of where it was and now it's back in full force creeping into my gardens. Even burning it doesn't kill enough of the seeds. The shit is just everywhere here now and it edges out native plant life because it's virtually uncontrollable. I know very well why they call the shit gripeweed.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 04:05:52 No.1116784 Report

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>>1116782
I know Houston is probably pretty humid but fuck this shit. The 80 degree plus humidity virtually year round doesn't help at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 05:02:03 No.1116812 Report

Quoted By: >>1116815 >>1116822

>>1116782
>Yeah because you lived in Texas not a humid Southern state
>south/southeast Texas
>not humid
I hope you're drunk.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 05:05:00 No.1116815 Report

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>>1116812
I take it back nigger. I've never been further West than Louisiana.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 05:10:13 No.1116822 Report

Quoted By: >>1116824

>>1116812
Okay then, I just like mimosas, even though theyre hell on southern landscapes. Like cats, as long as theyre inside, they're ok. go burn your neighbor if you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 05:17:46 No.1116824 Report

Quoted By: >>1116833 >>1116911

>>1116822
I don't blame you. It's cool watching them react to touch and light but seriously fuck whoever introduced it here. I want to burn my neighbor's yard. I'm just venting because I'm still fighting it. I don't want to resort to herbicide because I plan to use the land its taken over, but I might have to. Boiling that much water is a pain.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 05:32:01 No.1116833 Report

Quoted By: >>1116866 >>1116880 >>1116911

>>1116824
The people that moved next to me thought bull thistle was "beautiful and attracted bees". Now I spen $100 every year on rifle-d. Iktf

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 07:01:45 No.1116866 Report

Quoted By: >>1116868 >>1117267

>>1116833
My neighbor thought the chamberbitter were ferns, I even caught her watering it on more than one occasion. These fucking people drive me up the wall, literally why we can't have nice things.
Is Rifle-D good?

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 07:03:16 No.1116868 Report

Quoted By: >>1116911

>>1116866
I imagine it's good if you're spending $100/per year but I'm asking in general. I've never had a thistle problem thankfully but I'd honestly take thistle over chamberbitter any day.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 08:39:44 No.1116880 Report

Quoted By: >>1117267

>>1116833
See if the thistle is classified as a noxious weed in your state or local municipality. Then you would have legal action with a code enforcer.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 09:20:09 No.1116883 Report

Quoted By: >>1116911

Can cauliflower/broccoli bolt? I've been growing this romanesco broccoli for a couple months and it seems way too tall and thin.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 11:53:30 No.1116911 Report

Quoted By: >>1117267

>>1116782
>>1116824
Don't worry about it. Just cut it like you cut everything else. Think of it as decorative grass. That's how I look at bindweed, trumpet vine, and 3-4 terribly invasive grasses here. The rest of the 10-15 weedy invasives are all edible, so I'm chill with them, but other people are not. Nearly all the weeds here have seeds that are viable for 20 years in the soil. Some people have the equivalent of a gardening breakdown because of it, but those are usually autistic pesticide using types who need 100% grass monoculture lawns.

I just mulch and pull weeds when needed. Everything else gets the lawnmower and weedeater. Also, Phyllanthus urinaria has scientifically proven medicinal properties:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Phyllanthus+urinaria

>>1116833
Bull thistle is nice though. It is the Canadian thistle that isn't and spreads like wildfire, via root runners and seeds. At least it is easy enough to pull out. It is tasty too, but gives you gas if you eat too much.

>>1116868
>I imagine it's good if you're spending $100/per year

Sounds like a bandaid for a bigger problem. The moment I lay down money, it is for a cure, not a first payment. For that much money, I'd simply just rent a small Bobcat and completely returf the area down to below the level of the roots of the thistles and haul in new topsoil. Then reseed with my choice of cultivars. Either that or plastic and gravel everything.

>>1116883
"Bolting" is the formation of flowers. The main parts of cauliflower and broccoli you find in stores is the immature flower heads themselves. Cauliflower will sprout up out of that tight compacted head as a really showy set of tiny flowers. Romanesco does something that looks a bit different when its flower heads start to get tall. Harvest before they flower. As for your romanesco, that isn't unusual, but I would stake them to give them a bit of support. They also need larger pots now.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 15:22:13 No.1116958 Report

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>>1116771
Man I live in the city it's not like we have problems with invasive plants.

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 15:28:00 No.1116963 Report

Quoted By: >>1116981

>>1116711
Any particular reason why other than aesthetics?
They are both trees and my terrace isnt big enough for more than my current wild olive tree

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 15:31:06 No.1116966 Report

Quoted By: >>1117032 >>1117035

The final ribening of the bulk jolokia.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 16:20:35 No.1116981 Report

Quoted By: >>1117142

>>1116963

They both look similar to mimosa without being invasive. Lignum vitae grows very slowly, and tamarind grows moderately slowly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 19:08:59 No.1117032 Report

Quoted By: >>1117069

>>1116966
They look pretty caramel-y to me. At least some.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 19:13:48 No.1117035 Report

Quoted By: >>1117069

>>1116966
Are you gonna bring it inside for the winter? I have one in a 5 gallon pot outside I'm going to attempt to overwinter in a south facing window.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 20:54:48 No.1117069 Report

Quoted By: >>1117575

>>1117032
Yeah, but they darken to red like those others.
>>1117035
Yes, I'm gonna cut it back a lot and keep it in that big pot, hope to keep it alive through winter. I really like that plant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 20:57:11 No.1117070 Report

Quoted By:

>>1115667
Grow well, little pepper

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 21:36:23 No.1117105 Report

Quoted By:

>>1115667
Grow well, little pepper!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 21:40:29 No.1117112 Report

Quoted By:

Tips for a way to either plant through, or semi-automate the clearing of, wood chips? Planning a pretty large market garden for future, and I can get truckloads of wood chips almost free (much cheaper than straw or plastic) so they'd be my preference for mulching.
Problem is, I don't want to go along with a rake pulling aside 8 inches of mulch every time I sow seed or transplant.
In straw or similar, I could probably put some kind of hand-pushed row cleaner that would work fine, but I doubt it'd be as effective here. Something on that level would be good though--think wheelhoe, not hand trowel. Tips, resources, insults? Thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 22:05:45 No.1117142 Report

Quoted By: >>1117148

>>1116981
I dont really mind the invasive part, as i said i live in the city and it literally cant go anywhere

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 22:10:51 No.1117148 Report

Quoted By: >>1117151

>>1117142
Unfortunately, cities aren't really immune to invasives from what I've seen. Nearby one of 200k is overrun with that fucking stink tree everywhere
Grows on railroads, under bridges, harbour banks, literally everywhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 22:13:52 No.1117151 Report

Quoted By: >>1117159

>>1117148
Sorry man, but anyway i bought them on the store around the corner. Surely it wont make a difference. If anything it will grow faster and im okay woth that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 22:19:54 No.1117159 Report

Quoted By:

>>1117151
Well, if you keep things contained to your indoors (no fine seeds spreading everywhere from balconies) and/or the species in question won't survive outdoor winters, then everything should be fine

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 10 Oct 2017 22:55:42 No.1117183 Report

Quoted By: >>1117584

Hi, i'm the blueberry anon from the other thread

i'd like to ask some more details about the pollination of these plants.
Let's assume i have got 2 varieties of Vaccinium Ashei (e.g. V. A. Prince and V. A. Woodard as one anon told me). Are these two sufficient to produce actual blueberries?

Or do i have to own different species of Vaccinium (e.g. V. Ashei and V. Arboreum)?

TL;DR: do i need different species or varieties to obtain blueberries?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 02:03:47 No.1117267 Report

Quoted By: >>1117586

>>1116866
>Is Rifle-D good?
I know it is for thistle. I'm sure you can find a pdf of the manual that lists the weeds it kills. I almost have them eradicated, maybe a year or two.

>>1116880
Already done.

>>1116911
I had canadian thistle too, those fucks didn't do anything to control it.

>Sounds like a bandaid for a bigger problem.
I have about 40 acres of Poderosa forest, I can't just bulldoze it all. I have to use a backpack sprayer and atv, pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 14:47:40 No.1117575 Report

Quoted By: >>1117605

>>1117069
>Yeah, but they darken to red like those others.
Well, my Peruvian Purples go to red as well when they ripen, so maybe that is working as intended?
Same with the Snow Whites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 15:18:54 No.1117584 Report

Quoted By: >>1117748

>>1117183
Everything I've read talks about varieties, not species, basically the same as apple orchards:

http://www.usefulplants.org/index.php/fruiting-plants/fruiting-shrubs/item/rabbiteye-blueberry

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 15:21:17 No.1117586 Report

Quoted By:

>>1117267
>40 acres of Poderosa forest

Eh, well do what I do for multiflora rose on my 40 acres of forest...nothing. Maybe one day I'll fence it in really well and get goats or something. Otherwise, I'm not wasting my time and money.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 15:59:50 No.1117605 Report

Quoted By: >>1117618 >>1117622 >>1117639

>>1117575
No, these should stay caramel-y. Doesn't matter, they have great taste and pack a punch. Got a chili simmering away at the moment, with a whole pepper in it, first time cooking with it, I wonder how it'll be.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 16:05:05 No.1117612 Report

Quoted By: >>1120258

>>1116327
>>1116329
Some of the fruits of labor for this year's harvest. Canned pumpkin; enough for almost 100 pies.

The Snibbed Bepper

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The Snibbed Bepper Wed 11 Oct 2017 16:05:55 No.1117613 Report

Quoted By: >>1117639

And a giveaway for my EU brothers:
Pic related is what I have at the moment. You will receive those 4 on top. Those are from my own harvest, so no guarantees on germination rates or how true they'll grow, they were all together in 1 greenhouse.
BUT! I'll also throw in 4 of the other kinds, your pick, 1~3 seeds each, those seeds have been ordered from fataliiseeds, and should grow true (except for the caramel bhut, lol).
First to react to this post will get them, drop me a mail at pirrezooi at hotmail.com with your choices and full address.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 16:21:48 No.1117618 Report

Quoted By: >>1117621 >>1117639

>>1117605
>1 whole pepper

Hahahahahaha

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 16:30:40 No.1117621 Report

Quoted By: >>1117639

>>1117618
I and many other anons are so very impressed with your vast manliness, that is of such level it can only be proven by eating food that is hotter than what I like.
My hat off to you, sir.
*tips fedora*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 16:35:27 No.1117622 Report

Quoted By:

>>1117605
Uma delicia

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 17:20:22 No.1117639 Report

Quoted By: >>1117686

>>1117621
>>1117618
I think it has more to do with flavor than actual spiciness. The two are mutually exclusive. Like a bunch of habanero peppers would ruin the flavor for me entirely and I'm one who chows down on scorpion pepper candy as a regular treat; like right now.

>>1117605
I still have some dehydrate bhut jolokia from a couple years or so ago. I never really liked the flavor.

>>1117613
Very nice selection. Too bad I'm allergic to giving the pertinent information online.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 18:33:14 No.1117686 Report

Quoted By: >>1117695

>>1117639
>I still have some dehydrate bhut jolokia from a couple years or so ago. I never really liked the flavor.
This one (caramel bhut) is very fruity, never knew peppers could taste like this. I read standard bhuts are indeed quite bitter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 18:36:11 No.1117692 Report

Quoted By: >>1117694 >>1117695

>>1115602
Hey, what are some things you can grow indoors?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 18:37:59 No.1117694 Report

Quoted By: >>1117703

>>1117692
Literally anything, if you've got the right pot.

So I'll go with "peppers", because that's the default suggestion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 18:39:42 No.1117695 Report

Quoted By: >>1117703

>>1117686
Yeah, I have the bitter kind. My scorpions were super fruity too.

>>1117692
Anything. It depends on space and lighting. That can be some herbs or fruit trees. You can use a sun room with lots of windows facing the sun's direction or a closet with no windows lit only by grow lights. Thus, your living conditions and budget are the only real limiting factors here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 18:53:20 No.1117703 Report

Quoted By: >>1117709 >>1117711

>>1117695
>>1117694

My bad, should add more.

I have very limited space and no UV lamps, but I do have large windows pointed towards the sun. I want to grow some hobby stuff like carrots or beans to offset some grocery costs, but I'm not sure how.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 19:03:37 No.1117709 Report

Quoted By: >>1117719

>>1117703
You can use regular lights, if you don't have grow lights.

For small spaces and limited budgets, growing your own food is more about being able to grow special cultivars or having very fresh herbs. you won't be able to cut much cost, if any at all, growing staple crops. This is why most people grow herbs on their window sills. I find that salad greens and herbs grow well in regular windows. Sometimes I use a panel of cardboard painted white or with aluminum foil taped to it as a light reflector when days are overcast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 19:06:09 No.1117711 Report

Quoted By: >>1117719

>>1117703
The windows should do just fine.

Depending on how limited space we're talking here, beans might want to grow too much. They're also pretty cheap in most places, I thought. Carrots should be fine but keep in mind you're only getting one per plant, so the savings might not be too much. Honestly, savings in general will not be that great (especially in relation to time put in) without a good-sized plot of land. Your best bet is to look at what kinds of things you use in cooking the most and grow that, or give us a list of things to help you narrow it down. Perennial bush fruits are probably going to be your best bet in terms of productivity per space, but even then, the money thing isn't going to be huge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 19:12:00 No.1117719 Report

Quoted By: >>1117720 >>1117721

>>1117711
>>1117709
I usually garden, but we had a massive drought this year that totally fucked it up. We didn't have a drop of rain for 3 months, and so water was really restricted.

It's fall now, so I want to grow something more. You guys mentioned herbs, so may I request elaboration on that? I'm getting into cooking, so give me the basics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 19:14:30 No.1117720 Report

Quoted By: >>1117730

>>1117719
>We didn't have a drop of rain for 3 months
>tfw my area routinely doesn't get a drop of rain for six months
Are there also no rivers or irrigation systems where you live?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 19:15:08 No.1117721 Report

Quoted By: >>1117730

>>1117719
Research, "windowsill herb garden". There's a huge amount of info online for this type of thing since more people do this than people who garden. Essentially, write down the herbs and spices you use most. Then look up what plants those come from and if they are appropriate for a window sill garden. Though, I think most links for this type of thing will have a list you can read to direct you to what you want to do much faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 19:24:54 No.1117730 Report

Quoted By: >>1117739

>>1117720
We have water reserves, but they were limited. It was really hot and really dry, and seeing as I live in eastern BC that's not a good combo.

>>1117721
I had no idea this was a thing. How interesting, I'll definitely look it up.

Earlier I saw bushes mentioned. Can you really grow berry bushes indoors?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 19:32:37 No.1117739 Report

Quoted By:

>>1117730
>Can you really grow berry bushes indoors?

Yes. For space, dwarf versions of anything is preferred. Remember, many plants need pollination in order to fruit properly and some need to be cross pollinated with other cultivars. If can be as simple as gently tapping or shaking the plant or as difficult as needing insects to do it for you. Some plants require a cold dormancy period of a couple months or weeks. People who keep such plants indoors normally have a refrigerator setup specifically for the dormancy period. Though, that is normally for things like apple tree bonsai.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 19:44:14 No.1117748 Report

Quoted By:

>>1117584

thanks

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 20:16:04 No.1117768 Report

Quoted By: >>1120258

I had a big bag of really old and random store-type salad greens. I decided to sow them in a few places. I was keeping up with the weeding for a while, but haven't had time lately. Regardless, there's enough salad greens for a few people now. I forgot how different wild greens are to these cultivated varieties. Except for the spicy nasturtium leaves, everything is pretty mild in flavor and texture when compared to the wild stuff I normally eat. Well, chickweed is more like store bought salad fodder I guess. Which is starting to grow now that the weather is cooling down.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 11 Oct 2017 22:14:49 No.1117844 Report

Quoted By: >>1117905 >>1118179

What is the biggest produce you have ever grown and how did you do it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 00:02:21 No.1117905 Report

Quoted By:

>>1117844
Yellow zucchini as big as a man's thigh. Compost.

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 11:38:47 No.1118179 Report

Quoted By:

>>1117844
I wonder what these massive pumpkins taste like. I also can't imagine processing one. I mean damn, I can only do like 200lbs of pumpkin processing a week by myself. Otherwise, my joints from the tips of my fingers to my shoulders will hurt like hell after all that knife work. Removing the skin is a major time consuming pain. Everything else is pretty simple.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:00:34 No.1118186 Report

Quoted By: >>1118191 >>1118412

Thanks to a couple of helpful posters I've managed to avert what would have been a horrible storage plan over the winter
I've got a couple of runner bean seeds that I picked out from their pods this morning and they're now sitting in a bowl out in the garden drying out. Weather's a little chilly but they're getting a bit of sun.

Just wondering - how long should I leave them to dry out before I put them away til spring?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 12:16:36 No.1118191 Report

Quoted By:

>>1118186
You can dry them inside. They need to be light weight and the pods brown and crispy. If you shell them, the type of legume t hey are will determine what they will look like when dried. Some will shrivel up and look terrible while others are shiny and solid. I estimate how dry they are by how they feel as well. Seeds that still have a good bit of moisture left will feel a bit cooler than normal. Dry ones won't feel as cool.

Regardless, if you are using paper envelopes or paper bags for seed storage, separate them up a bit so that they can continue to dry out. Don't put t hem into metal or plastic for a long while. When you do, keep them in separate packages. That way, if some are too moist and start to mold over, mold won't spread to the rest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 20:33:18 No.1118412 Report

Quoted By: >>1118497

>>1118186
>I picked out from their pods this morning and they're now sitting in a bowl out in the garden drying out.
Why not just leave them on the vine to dry?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 23:08:27 No.1118497 Report

Quoted By: >>1118518

>>1118412

>why dont you leave them on the vine?

did you see their pic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 12 Oct 2017 23:53:22 No.1118518 Report

Quoted By:

>>1118497
If he's leaving the bowl in the garden anyway, they're still getting wet.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 14:11:17 No.1118775 Report

Quoted By: >>1118780 >>1118792 >>1119385

>plant delonix regia seed
>kept in greenhouse
>watered every other day
>sprouts
>grows ~2cm
>stops growing
>turns yellow

What do I do to save this thing, it's my only one that sprouted

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 14:18:43 No.1118780 Report

Quoted By: >>1118821

>>1118775
Too wet, probably root rot. There's a chance something ate the roots too. The soil looks like it has way too much organic material, which would also cause root rot since it holds lots of water instead of draining well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 14:41:28 No.1118792 Report

Quoted By: >>1118821

>>1118775
Ahahaha ha . Nice soil

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 14:54:34 No.1118797 Report

Quoted By:

>>1115667
Grow well, little pepper!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 15:50:51 No.1118821 Report

Quoted By: >>1118844 >>1119242 >>1119385

>>1118792
>>1118780
So, what, just switch out the potting soil for something more granular like topsoil or sand?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 16:46:00 No.1118844 Report

Quoted By: >>1119385

>>1118821
Loam would be best.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:07:31 No.1118964 Report

Quoted By: >>1118969

>pretty shitty weather lately (rain every day, highs of around 15°C)
>first time to go in the back garden for about a week
>expecting everything to be rotten
Still got a pretty nice harvest so late into the season

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:16:21 No.1118969 Report

Quoted By: >>1118979

>>1118964
That's pretty nice. I've been loading up my dehydrator with stuff all week even though there's pretty much nothing left out there.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:29:20 No.1118971 Report

Quoted By: >>1118973

Any idea what's happening to my manzano peppers? I am trying to get it to bounce back, and I think it's coming right after giving it some seaweed fert. Probs gonna give it another load today.

Still getting a lot of leaves going like pic related. Not sure what's wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:35:29 No.1118973 Report

Quoted By: >>1118977

>>1118971
>coming right after giving it some seaweed fert
>probs gonna give it another load today

nigger??

you're overfeeding your plants, salt build up in the pot leading to nutrient absorption blockage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:45:40 No.1118976 Report

Quoted By: >>1118977 >>1118980

Its been a couple weeks since I last feed it, I'm just reading the back of the fucking bottle. It's growing, but I expected much faster growth, as it's in good soil, but it did jack shit for like a month after I transplanted it into that good soil.

Basically I don't know what I'm doing, so I have zero idea how to tell whether it's been fed too much or not enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:47:06 No.1118977 Report

Quoted By: >>1118980

>>1118976
Meant to reply to
>>1118973

And I've only fed it once since transplanting into the good soil.

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Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:53:11 No.1118979 Report

Quoted By: >>1118997

>>1118969
Yeah I'm dehydrating most of my peppers too (including the bells - I love using bell pepper powder as chicken leg coating. Also have lots of Cayennes that weren't pictured already dried and powdered, will probably last me a lifetime).
Now that we're about to get some weird "late summer", I'm expecting even more stuff to pick. Sadly most of my tomatoes won't be able to benefit from that any longer as they're super fucked from blight now - something that's almost impossible to avoid here with the small gardens which make it impossible to spatially separate them from potatoes too much and/or to plant them several hundred meters apart in 7 year rotation, so at some point in late summer/early autumn they will get infected unless you use fungicide

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:53:52 No.1118980 Report

Quoted By: >>1118982 >>1118984

>>1118976
>>1118977
>good soil

how good are we talking here? how nutrient loaded?

don't know much about manzano peppers but it's quite normal for a plant to stop growing after a transplant, they stress out and stunt growth, specially if you're not careful enough with roots

are you following those instructions on the back of the bottle? are you sure these nuts are okay for your peppers? seaweed ferts can be pretty loaded

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 22:57:53 No.1118982 Report

Quoted By:

>>1118980
>are you sure these nuts are okay for your peppers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 23:00:46 No.1118984 Report

Quoted By: >>1118987

>>1118980
50:50 mushroom compost coconut coir. Hmm I'll just leave it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 23:07:04 No.1118987 Report

Quoted By:

>>1118984
in most cases more nutrients don't equal more growth, nutrients are something a healthy plant can benefit from at the right time in the right proportion, not something you pump into them like steroids, just remember that

do your research on your plants feeding/environmental needs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 13 Oct 2017 23:27:17 No.1118997 Report

Quoted By:

>>1118979
Mine go blighty simply because of the massive weather change in the fall. The recent hurricanes basically screwed up the weather for this time of year here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 02:15:42 No.1119103 Report

Quoted By: >>1119139

>>1115610
it looks like richters has ginseng seeds:
https://www.richters.com/Web_store/web_store.cgi?searchterm=ginseng&search_catalogue_button=Go

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 03:48:15 No.1119139 Report

Quoted By:

>>1119103
Those guys are a 30 minute drive from me, never realized they sold seeds, I should go check them out.

Thanks anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 11:10:03 No.1119242 Report

Quoted By:

>>1118821
I like horticultural pumice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 13:57:20 No.1119291 Report

Quoted By: >>1119310

What kind of grinder to I need to make my small pepper harvest into a fine uniform powder?

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Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 14:35:56 No.1119310 Report

Quoted By: >>1119374 >>1120258

>>1119291
If you only have a small amount, you can use a mortar and pestle. The larger the better. Use granite, not porcelain. You can do a pre-grind by using a corn mill. That will reduce a lot of work if you have a lot of pepper. That will grind up seeds too. An electric coffee grinder also works well for a pre-grind, but will get pretty hot if you have a lot of stuff. Even though their grind is course, they also tend to produce a secondary fine powder that will emanate from the cracks for the coffee grinder and choke you too death like a pepper-laced smoke bomb. You can prevent this by doing it outside and by taping over all the cracks and seams on the entire device. A corn mill/grain mill will not have that problem. A mortar and pestle will cause a bit of this fine powder to float through the air, just not as bad as a coffee grinder.

If you use a coffee grinder or a corn/grain mill, the pepper will need to be absolutely cracker crisp. Otherwise, it will cause problems with the devices. This doesn't happen with the mortar and pestle, but it will make it more difficult to grind up quickly. Regardless, a pre-grind is best when you have tons of stuff to go through. I normally do a pre-grind for bulk storage using my corn mill. Then when I need enough to fill a shaker, I'll grind it to fine powder using the mortar and pestle. I keep the bulk stuff in glass canning jars, vacuum sealed, and in the freezer. I let the jar warm up to room temp before opening it to prevent moisture condensation on the powder.

In this image, I'm using a #2 Universal Food Chopper to crush the pepper to normal "crushed pepper" size. Then I use the corn mill to grind everything to a much finer size. It gets stored in those jars then ground to a powder, using the mortar and pestle, when I need powder. The Food Chopper does well for making it pizza seasoning size.

Infinite/out/

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Infinite/out/ Sat 14 Oct 2017 16:34:14 No.1119353 Report

Quoted By: >>1119457

Cut down my garlic chives and green onions and bring ready to dry in the oven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 17:13:34 No.1119374 Report

Quoted By: >>1119457

>>1119310
Nice! How do you use all those dried peppers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 17:21:53 No.1119385 Report

Quoted By:

>>1118821
>>1118775
I agree with >>1118844 , I'd move it into a good loam mixed with 1/4 perlite.
What you got for the moment is an almost non-composted bark, this isn't an adequate substrate, your plant has nothing to "eat"

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 17:26:37 No.1119391 Report

Quoted By: >>1119457

It has been a week since I transplanted my pomegranate and it appears to have stopped growing. Not only that but some of the leaves appear SLIGHTLY black.
I damaged the root a little bit and am worried.
Is it fucked?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 19:08:32 No.1119457 Report

Quoted By: >>1119491 >>1119530

>>1119374
The ones cut into rings and dried are for soups.
The ones crushed once are for things like pizza.
The powdered stuff is used for just about everything.

>>1119391
Maintain proper watering and light levels. Wait longer. Keep an eye out for new growth. Remove any leaves that have yellowed or worse. Leaves where only the tip has yellowed, just remove half that side of the leaf. If there's little to no leaves in the first place, just let them self-terminate and fall off. Remove them only if they have circular spots/dots developing. It'll be fine.

>>1119353
I want to do more of this but I have a quart of powdered onion tops and several gallon sized bags of onion top cuttings in the freezer I need to use up.

*munches on roasted salted Dickinson pumpkin seeds*

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 19:35:41 No.1119482 Report

Quoted By: >>1119587 >>1119615

What would you guys recommend for a noob who lives in an apartment in a place where there's snow 5 month per year? I just really want to start growing some stuff myself and don't know where to start with this temperature.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 19:56:41 No.1119491 Report

Quoted By: >>1119504

>>1119457
>husked pumpkin seeds
disgusting

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Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 20:04:26 No.1119498 Report

Quoted By:

>>1116447
New ones. Heres some more plants. My banana beppers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 20:07:10 No.1119499 Report

Quoted By: >>1119504

Any tips for germinating caucasian spinach seeds?

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Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 20:13:19 No.1119503 Report

Quoted By: >>1121453

My pepper graft failed yet again. Fuck. I made a new graft, but this time tightened the graft in place before wrapping it.

But on the bright side, my mint and thyme are doing well in their new hydroponic home, and I'm even getting some new mint growth already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 20:14:13 No.1119504 Report

Quoted By: >>1119506

>>1119491
They are not husked. They swell up when roasted. Well, these are fried actually. Some also explode during the process, flinging hot seeds and butter everywhere.

>>1119499
Cold stratification is required. 2 months I think, not sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 20:16:29 No.1119506 Report

Quoted By:

>>1119504
>fried pumpkin seeds
Tell me how I know you're an Amnerican

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 20:51:26 No.1119530 Report

Quoted By:

>>1119457
Thank you.
Those seeds look good!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 21:11:49 No.1119547 Report

Quoted By: >>1119555

>leaf miners
how fast do these cunts work? can I just squish them inside the leaf or is that pointless since theyd have taken off already

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 21:19:20 No.1119555 Report

Quoted By: >>1119657

>>1119547
You can squish them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 21:56:16 No.1119587 Report

Quoted By: >>1119615

>>1119482
Start with some spring onions on your windowsill you can cut off the green tops and they will shoot up again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 22:38:59 No.1119615 Report

Quoted By: >>1119654

>>1119587
>muh spring onions
Fuck off.
>>1119482
Have you tried growing scallions? They're delicious and easy to grow on a windowsill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 23:11:01 No.1119640 Report

Quoted By: >>1119657

>The fig is a large deciduous tree. The edible fig itself is actually not a fruit, but the mature ‘infructescence’ of the tree – a hollow, fleshy structure lined on the inside with tiny flowers. A small opening allows the fig wasp to enter and pollinate the flowers. Once pollination has taken place, the seeds develop.

wtf I hate figs now

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 23:44:42 No.1119654 Report

Quoted By: >>1119677

>>1119615
Spring onions have a stronger flavor than scallions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 14 Oct 2017 23:47:18 No.1119657 Report

Quoted By:

>>1119555
cool, i will start doing that

>>1119640
>not mentioning the wasp usually gets trapped and dies inside

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 00:26:08 No.1119677 Report

Quoted By: >>1119686 >>1119732

>>1119654
A stronger SHIT flavor.
>b-but m-m-m-muh sp-spring o-o-onions...
No! Scallions are much better than """spring""" """onions""" in every single conceivable way. Prove me wrong, oh wait that's right. You literally can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 00:36:09 No.1119686 Report

Quoted By: >>1119694

>>1119677
I actually prefer garlic tops instead of spring onions, shallots, or scallions, lad.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 00:42:11 No.1119694 Report

Quoted By: >>1119732

>>1119686
>wtf I hate spring onions now!
>m-muh garlic tops...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 01:01:35 No.1119712 Report

Quoted By:

>>1115667
Grow well little pippa.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 01:13:05 No.1119720 Report

Quoted By:

Has anyone here ever grown fenugreek? If so, does it really taste like maple syrups?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 01:27:52 No.1119732 Report

Quoted By: >>1119757

>>1119677
>>1119694
>autism

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 02:05:10 No.1119757 Report

Quoted By: >>1119778

>>1119732
>no argument?
>get BTFO?
>no problem! Just spout this one useless /b/uzzword from 2015!
Springonionfag L I T E R A L L Y on suicide watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 02:51:21 No.1119778 Report

Quoted By: >>1119779

>>1119757
Please return to your containment board

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 03:00:40 No.1119779 Report

Quoted By: >>1119781

>>1119778
>muh containment board non-argument
What's the matter, dumpling? Are you triggered sweetie?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 03:09:36 No.1119781 Report

Quoted By: >>1119782

>>1119779
I don't really care what buzzwords you want to toss around, you just aren't contributing to the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 03:12:23 No.1119782 Report

Quoted By:

>>1119781
Oh, you mean like you're doing right now? Lmao you haven't made one single helpful post in this entire thread, kiddo. Go back to >>>/an/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 03:12:33 No.1119783 Report

Quoted By:

ill try both spring onions and scallions then.
thank you guys.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 13:14:35 No.1119967 Report

Quoted By: >>1119977 >>1119999

rate

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 13:16:51 No.1119968 Report

Quoted By: >>1119977

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 13:39:08 No.1119977 Report

Quoted By:

>>1119967
>>1119968
Looks somewhat better. Remove the yellowed stuff. There should be new growth if there's enough light and the watering is correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 14:29:02 No.1119999 Report

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>>1119967
-4/10 protip, plants need light to thrive

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 17:48:54 No.1120114 Report

Quoted By: >>1120118

I think this is a stupid question.

What do I do with the dirt in pots I used for container gardening?

Dump it out? Reuse it next year (after amending it)? Turn it into mud and build a tiny altar for dark purposes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 17:56:39 No.1120118 Report

Quoted By: >>1120122 >>1120150

>>1120114
Repurpose and rotate. Don't want to grow the same thing in the same soil every year, it's bad for plant health and encourages specific diseases/bugs to thrive in that soil.

Sort by plant family and rotate and amend those together. Toms, peppers, potatoes are all related; so are broccoli and cabbage and the like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 18:00:23 No.1120122 Report

Quoted By: >>1120150

>>1120118
Sounds good. Should I just leave them outside over winter? I'm in Minnesota if that helps at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 18:37:03 No.1120150 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120118
Seconding.

>>1120122
Yes. Actually, having them freeze solid in winter will reduce pest insects. It also reduces beneficial insects and microbes. But, things like vine borer, squash bug, slugs, isopods, etc will die if the containers are well above the ground and it is really cold. Minnesota should surely do that well.

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 20:05:11 No.1120233 Report

Quoted By: >>1120238

I'd prefer to have a full dehydrator load, but I really need some new gloves before I try cutting up the hot peppers. I'm currently dehydrating the last crop of yellow pear tomatoes I think. There may be a few more on the vines that need ripening, but they are mostly done. The purple tomatillos are completely done for the year. There's still a fair amount of Cherokee tomatoes left on the vines, but they rot before getting ripe due to the weather. The nights are really cold and condensation, fog, and rain pools up in their top and that's the end of them. The red Italian pear tomatoes are still producing a little it, but are mostly just ripening what was already grown.

Next year I want to do even more dehydrating. I'll probably just dehydrate all the yellow pear tomatoes. That really seems to be the best and tastiest method of preservation. The same goes for the tomatillos. Both are okay for salsa, but I can't eat that much salsa, and I don't like it canned all that much. Dehydrating them and using them over winter in soups is where they really shine.

I'm hoping this run in the dehydrator will be done by Tuesday. There's lots of rain right now and humidity is in the 90% range. That makes for slow dehydration. I can't get it cracker-crisp in this weather. Tuesday, I plan to dehydrate an entire load of pumpkin cubes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 20:12:30 No.1120238 Report

Quoted By: >>1120258

>>1120233
Prepped? What do you do with some much dehydrated stuff? And what sort of meals doyou use it in? Soups and stews and things?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 20:25:06 No.1120258 Report

Quoted By: >>1120284 >>1120306

>>1120238
I'm a farmer. Learning to preserve large crops of food is essential. See pics in >>1119310 >>1117768 >>1117612 >>1116656 >>1116327 >>1116329 I have about 6 months of food on hand, rotated, year-round. The hardest part was learning what ways I can preserve the food and still like the end result in recipes. For instance, canned tomatillos was a failure, but dehydrates ones are amazing. Canned tomatoes is great, but cherry-sized canned tomatoes isn't great. While dehydrated cherry-sized tomatoes are amazing.

I use the dehydrated vegetables in everything from soups & stews to baked breads & pies. It depends on what form it is in. Like chunks of dehydrated pumpkin is great for soups while powdered hot peppers are great for seasoning meats and cheese dishes. Dehydrated veggies are great for winter when you don't have a few greenhouses to grow fresh veggies. Recipes are as simply as adding a few dehydrated veggies and powders to some pasta, egg noodles, or ramen (pic). Their storage doesn't need to be refrigerated for the most part, but vacuum sealing and freezing bulk amounts of spices and herbs helps extend their potency a great deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 20:48:59 No.1120284 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120258
Hmm nice, that's a pretty sweet idea. Thanks for the comprehensive reply

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 21:15:43 No.1120306 Report

Quoted By: >>1120323

>>1120258
are you a farmer from birth?

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Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 21:27:45 No.1120323 Report

Quoted By: >>1120410 >>1120561

>>1120306
No, but there's always been some sort of agriculture. The info wasn't passed down to me. I had to learn everything from scratch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 23:34:23 No.1120410 Report

Quoted By: >>1120419

>>1120323
hey, that looks great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 15 Oct 2017 23:46:09 No.1120419 Report

Quoted By: >>1120443 >>1120463 >>1120688

>>1120410
Can you stop making inane shitposts and actually post something with substance for once? Thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 00:21:53 No.1120443 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120419
not liking this post, man

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 00:42:33 No.1120463 Report

Quoted By: >>1120467

>>1120419
You first, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 00:45:17 No.1120467 Report

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>>1120463
wow gr8 post xddddddddd

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 01:09:34 No.1120488 Report

Quoted By: >>1120495 >>1120533 >>1120537 >>1120978 >>1121194

Does anyone know what this yellow/orange pepper might be? It smells similar to a habanero, but has very few seeds inside.

I was recently given some peppers to grow for relatives. I have what looks like a habanero, some kind of C. baccatum variety, and then this yellowish one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 01:16:09 No.1120495 Report

Quoted By: >>1120533

>>1120488
We call those pussy pepper here in Brazil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:02:55 No.1120533 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120488
I just tried them. The orange/yellow one is kind of spicy, the one that looks like a habanero is very spicy, and the possible C. baccatum variety is not spicy at all.

>>1120495
Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:04:27 No.1120537 Report

Quoted By: >>1121194

>>1120488
fatalii pepper?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:07:35 No.1120541 Report

Quoted By: >>1120558

When's the best time to put compost on the garden beds? I've got a pretty full bin that's ready to go, and most of my stuff is done for the year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:33:59 No.1120558 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120541
When it is no longer temperature hot. As far as nutrient hot, that really depends on how you use it. It is best when it is black & loamy. If you gardening is done for the season, like over winter, you can put unfinished compost on it. It will finish off during that time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:38:37 No.1120561 Report

Quoted By: >>1120563

>>1120323
>The info wasn't passed down to me. I had to learn everything from scratch.
that's what i thought. my dad grew up on a farm and doing this kind of stuff seems repellant to him

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:46:24 No.1120563 Report

Quoted By: >>1120570

>>1120561
Preserving food?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:51:12 No.1120570 Report

Quoted By: >>1120575 >>1120756

>>1120563
ye, he said it was stereotypical womans work. didnt really like finding that out since it seems like something i really want to do

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:56:40 No.1120575 Report

Quoted By: >>1120579

>>1120570
Why don't you just tell him you want to be a woman? He probably suspects anyway.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 02:58:28 No.1120579 Report

Quoted By: >>1120580

>>1120575
i confided in you because i didnt think you'd be mean

fuck you cunt, it means youre queer too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 03:00:31 No.1120580 Report

Quoted By: >>1120582

>>1120579
[spoiler:lit]I'm someone else anyway. Don't worry about it gender roles are a social construct and all that.[/spoiler:lit]

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 03:02:14 No.1120582 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120580
if gender roles are a construct then gardening is an obsolete waste of time

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 04:13:23 No.1120614 Report

Quoted By: >>1120618

Has ANYONE come up with a way to do no-till in the garden instead of in the field? Are there no fucking no-till hand tools out there?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 04:17:40 No.1120618 Report

Quoted By: >>1120621

>>1120614
sounds like you want to just plant shit directly into your composter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 04:22:09 No.1120621 Report

Quoted By: >>1121007

>>1120618
I'd prefer to amend soil with the least amount of tillage possible--to essentially work on creating an ecosystem out of the garden instead of a monocultural nightmare that I have to machinate in order to get anything productive done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 08:14:12 No.1120688 Report

Quoted By: >>1120705

>>1120419
can you get a life?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 10:16:41 No.1120705 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120688
Did I touch a nerve, sweetpea?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 11:29:19 No.1120725 Report

Quoted By: >>1120731 >>1120756

>>1115602
I want to start growing herbs, vegetables, fruits and whatever I fancy in my small garden in my parents house to learn How To so in the near future I move to a rural area where my grandfathers live and I'm going to inherit a huge warehouse(plan to build a honest, simple house with a gym and live there) and plenty of soil to have animals plus plant whatever I desire(dream would be plant what I eat), and that is my only goal in life but I have no knowledge at all outside throwing seeds into the dirt and hoping it grows, I am that dumb when it comes to this.

Where do I start/How do I learn? I'm really clueless and maybe I'm googling things wrong but can't seem to find proper guides

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 11:39:46 No.1120731 Report

Quoted By: >>1120733

>>1120725
>throwing seeds into the dirt and hoping it grows
do that; go buy some organic bulk beans, just throw a handful in some dirt, cover with mulch (dried leaves and twigs, or you could buy some) and water them every night. you might be able to get results doing this with squash too though its probably too late to finish them up. pepper plants and tomatoes are easy but youll have to remember that when it gets warm, its definitely too late to start those. lots of plants really arent so picky with soil that they will just deny you growth

t. a fellow gardening retard

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 11:47:19 No.1120733 Report

Quoted By: >>1120736 >>1120746 >>1120747

>>1120731
thanks my good man

plan to do that and I guess just picking somethign I want to grow and try to lurk online on info on how to, when to, and what do and build a backlog on my mind. Just posted here so I could get a jumpstart

I live in a somewhat tropical weather 70-80% time of the year and then it gets cold for like 3-4months
I have an avocado which seems to be growing but no fruit yet
A banana tree which is actually growing pretty nice but still long to start having fruits
a pomegranate tree which is always filled each every 2 years(this is one of them and theyre delicious)
a lemon tree
spinach and mint, the latter not seeming to be able to keep up with my tea consumption kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 11:55:28 No.1120736 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120733
>an avocado which seems to be growing but no fruit yet
Bear in mind that unless you grafted a specific breed onto the rootstock, there's a good chance the fruit it yields will not be as good as the fruit it came from.
All commercial avocado trees are clones of specific trees, because the only way to get a reliable standard of quality is to clone the tree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 12:46:46 No.1120746 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120733
tricky bastard, you're less of a novice than i am

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 12:47:39 No.1120747 Report

Quoted By: >>1120757

>>1120733
Im guessing you don't get a hard freeze If you can grow banana?
If that's true you can grow all kinds of shit. Impressed that you can use enough mint for to run out.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 13:39:46 No.1120756 Report

Quoted By: >>1120765 >>1121006

>>1120570
I totally agree. But, this is something you need to do when you are a bachelor. For the big jobs, I have neighbors, family, and friends who come over and trade work for vegetables. Civilization was built on the principle of strict labor division.

>>1120725
Make a list of the things you want to grow and raise. Then research how to grow/raise them specifically. That includes researching when to plant them. Like some are sown in the ground after the last frost while others need a few weeks or months grown under cover or inside before hardening them off and setting them outside in the ground or uncovering them. Learn how to extend the growing season on both ends using polytunnels, greenhouses, and thermal mass.

Most importantly, talk to local farmers who have been working the land for years. The cultivars and breeds they grow and raise are proven in your area. Either use those or similar ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 13:45:09 No.1120757 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120747
I grow mints too. I need to grow much more peppermint. I use tons of it. Like this morning I made mint with black tea and used that as a base for making hot chocolate. It is super minty which I love, but it requires a fistful of dried mint.

FYI, there are some hardy banana cultivars you can use in the north. They die back every winter and regrow. Just stack some straw bales over them during the winter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 13:58:21 No.1120765 Report

Quoted By: >>1120777

>>1120756
Post more pics please

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 14:26:44 No.1120777 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120765
This is about as good as it gets really. This stuff is all reposts. I've been taking less and less photos lately simply because it slows things down and taking pics of the same things over and over is monotonous.

FROST WARNING

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FROST WARNING Mon 16 Oct 2017 15:11:40 No.1120786 Report

Quoted By: >>1120943 >>1121005 >>1121453

Crap! I guess I know what I'll be doing all day today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 21:06:57 No.1120943 Report

Quoted By: >>1120952

>>1120786
Where do you live?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 21:29:12 No.1120952 Report

Quoted By: >>1120953 >>1121167

>>1120943
I'm from Oman

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 21:30:15 No.1120953 Report

Quoted By: >>1120954

>>1120952
Woah I didn't know it got that cold there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 21:31:57 No.1120954 Report

Quoted By: >>1120958

>>1120953
Yes I'm from Muscat, Oman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 21:40:37 No.1120958 Report

Quoted By: >>1120961

>>1120954
Not him but I'm from Muscat too!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 21:43:45 No.1120961 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120958
What a coincidence. :)

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obozoisworstpresidentever Mon 16 Oct 2017 22:03:41 No.1120978 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120488
These are habaneros, a type of capsaicin peppers.

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Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 22:44:53 No.1121005 Report

Quoted By: >>1121167 >>1121453

>>1120786
Done. At least the unripe peppers won't get zapped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 22:45:01 No.1121006 Report

Quoted By: >>1121330

>>1120756
>Civilization was built on the principle of strict labor division
this i cant agree with at all, especially being agriculturally oriented there will be times when some specialties are more needed than others. historically when it comes to settling the west, most people were good at most things to some degree

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 16 Oct 2017 22:46:33 No.1121007 Report

Quoted By: >>1121330

>>1120621
there's got to be something you top off beds with that will just trickle down for every nutrient imaginable

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 03:15:59 No.1121167 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120952
Wut? I don't remember it getting that cold in Doha.

>>1121005
Nice, it's getting in the low 20s here

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 04:34:19 No.1121194 Report

Quoted By:

>>1120488
>>1120537
Looks like a fatalii or devil's tongue. Maybe datil but I haven't seen datils that wrinkly.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 04:54:33 No.1121203 Report

Quoted By: >>1121330

Anyone identify this pest? Killing my manzano pepper leaves. Spiders keeping it in check but they still everywhere. Dunno what to do to get rid of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 11:54:50 No.1121309 Report

Quoted By: >>1121323 >>1121330

I had this pennyroyal herb in a pot but it dried out completely
is there any way to revive it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 12:52:45 No.1121323 Report

Quoted By:

>>1121309
Fish fertilizer on the leaves sometimes works if it's not too far gone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 13:21:29 No.1121330 Report

Quoted By: >>1121368

>>1121007
Is this sarcasm? lol Because, that's literally what you do with finished compost. A 2-inch layer, between growing seasons over the entire growing space, is best.

>>1121006
That doesn't mean you can't only do one thing. Civilization grew from people excelling in one or other area or work. Hence gender divisions such as hunting & child rearing and guild divisions such as ship building & shoe making. One person being very good at farming while another is very good at cooking, divides up the work in the best possible manner for efficiency and knowledge. While they can switch jobs in times of need, that is less efficient than being dedicated to a single area of expertise. That's why there's not many brain surgeons moonlighting as 747 pilots.

This is a conversation best suited for >>>/sci/ as an anthropological topic.

>>1121203
I can't get a good look at the round things, due to blurriness. The white stuff looks like aphid skin cast offs. Are the round things stuck to one spot or do they move around on their own? From that level of detail I can't tell if they are little snails or galls or pupa or beetles. I don't see any other damage though.

Regardless, try hosing them off your plant's leaves using a stiff spray of water. Just don't spray so hard that it causes dark discoloration, that's damage. Repeat that once a day. One step further is to use a spray bottle of mild soap and water mixture. Not dish liquid, use a mixture of bar soap and water. If it won't mix into the water, just heat it up to melt it then cool the mixture before applying it.

>>1121309
What was the watering schedule like? Did it dry out because of no water, too much water, or cold air drafts? There's always a chance it may come back from the roots. Did it flower before drying out? They don't last longer than a single growing season and you need to harvest the seeds and replant since they are an annual plant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 14:29:32 No.1121364 Report

Quoted By:

>tfw there's still no cilantro seedlings coming up for a week, while pak choi and lettuce seedlings are doing well
Was soaking the cilantro seeds in warm water for half a day a mistake? The soil temperature is just in the right range for germination.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 14:31:40 No.1121368 Report

Quoted By:

>>1121330
but if you had a brain surgeon that also flew his own airliner that would be most efficient because you have one guy doing it

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 16:14:21 No.1121422 Report

Quoted By: >>1121443 >>1121453

What are you growing indoors over the winter, /out/?

>ground cherry
>Brazilian Starfish pepper
>Thai Dragon peppers or Jalapenos, or hopefully a grafted plant with both of them on it
>mystery pepper (probably Fatalii or Devil's Tongue)
>maybe Chinese 5-colour pepper if there's space
>small ornamental chili pepper
>spearmint, thyme, oregano

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 16:45:31 No.1121443 Report

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>>1121422
Next stage in the bepper plan.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 17:11:11 No.1121453 Report

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>>1121005
>>1120786
Temps only fell to 36F last night. I'll probably cover some other beds as soon as I get them ready. So much end of season work to be done.

>>1121422
>What are you growing indoors over the winter, /out/?

Nearly everything as soon as I start seedlings. I was gifted some "unknown" hot peppers (pic). Probably "pequin", since they people were Mexican and these are tiny. I'm not a good judge of spiciness since I eat scorpion pepper candy regularly, but these have a nice even heat. They are evidently 30k-60k SHUs. They are packed with seeds so I'll try growing some for next season in addition to the others. I'll be snibbening this year.

I'm also going to order some Mexican Tea (aka "epazote" Dysphania ambrosioides) since it easily grows much like lamb's quarter and pigweed only is extremely aromatic. I may start some indoors early on just for cooking herbs/spices along with some others.

>>1119503
Keep trying! When I was repairing tomato plants, tightness was essential.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 18:23:41 No.1121491 Report

Quoted By: >>1121530

>>1121453
>I was gifted some "unknown" hot peppers

>tfw everyone gives me peppers to grow for them

It's both a blessing and a curse.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 18:27:05 No.1121497 Report

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>>1121443
Are they all bonsai?

>>1121453
How many types of pepper do you usually grow?

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 19:40:40 No.1121530 Report

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>30-35lbs of pumpkin in the dehydrator.

>>1121497
>How many types of pepper do you usually grow?

No more than 3 usually. A sweet bell of some type, Hungarian wax, and a hot. This year it has been Gypsy hybrid bell, Hungarian wax, Jalapeno, and Cayenne.

>>1121491
Indeed, same with cherry tomato plants.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 20:46:26 No.1121554 Report

Quoted By: >>1121557

>>1121497
>Are they all bonsai?
I only pruned them for now, I don't think you can call them bonsai yet. They seem to be recovering really well though, so next is moving them to a smaller pot and pruning the roots, and if they survive that I'll move them to a bonsai pot.
It's all new to me, learning as I go.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 20:54:19 No.1121557 Report

Quoted By: >>1121559

>>1121554
The bonsai pot comes last after they are shaped and stable as the final design.

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Anonymous Tue 17 Oct 2017 20:57:34 No.1121559 Report

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>>1121557
I see, thanks!

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 11:41:40 No.1121858 Report

Quoted By: >>1121860

Any Ukgrowers having trouble with freezing dew yet? I'm in a tough microclimate and I had cold dew kill off a winter squash.

I didn't think it would get so cold as quick after our red sun event.

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>>1121858
You mean, "frost"?

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 13:29:17 No.1121875 Report

Quoted By: >>1121887

This next season I'll be done school and back at home. I'm already doubling my 25ft x 40ft plot and want to start my own plants from seeds now that I'll have more time. Does anyone have any recommendations for seed starter shelves?

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 14:05:45 No.1121887 Report

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>>1121875
Plant the shelving around your lighting and pots/flats.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 14:35:55 No.1121899 Report

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>>1121887
I was hoping to be able to make them out of 2x4's so that'll be easy enough since I have the lumber already. Is there a certain type of lighting that I should avoid?

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 16:26:39 No.1121951 Report

Quoted By: >>1122093

>>1121899
You can use whatever lighting you want to use, so long as it is bright enough. Grow lights will be marginally better of course. If they are not grow lights, just make sure the lighting is as close to the plants as possible without the leaves touching the lights or the lights burning the leaves. Some stuff like LEDs that aren't even warm to the touch can touch the leaves if you are lax in raising the lights for a few days.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 16:28:14 No.1121952 Report

Quoted By: >>1121982

>tfw everyone has tons of nut trees and you only have a few tiny trees still

At least I'm getting something from my trees. Everyone else just lets the nuts rot/feed wildlife.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 17:35:07 No.1121982 Report

Quoted By: >>1122003

>>1121952
>walnut
Yeah, no wonder people let them lie. Walnuts are a pain to clean, a pain to eat, and the end result is something you can really only eat so much of before you start to hate it.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 18:27:23 No.1122003 Report

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>>1121982
With the correct tools and methods they are easy to clean. Once down to the shell you need to let them dry out for a month or more so the flesh of the nut will have loosened from the shell. Then you crack them correctly and the meat is easy to pull out. As for eating them, you use them in various recipes. You don't just eat a handful of them.

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 20:18:14 No.1122069 Report

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>tfw your seeds just came in the mail

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 20:26:04 No.1122075 Report

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>>1122069
>mfw I came with my seed

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 20:35:07 No.1122082 Report

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>>1122069
>>1122075
>mfw cumming in a male with my seed

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 20:36:06 No.1122084 Report

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>tfw no house full of dwarf fruit trees in containers to grow year round

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 20:42:40 No.1122093 Report

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>>1121951
Thank you!

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 21:15:27 No.1122116 Report

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Any shroom connoisseurs around here?
Got these ones feeding on the trunk of a weeping willow I felled last year, they just came out 2-3 days ago and grew massively since (totally pushed away my nearby lavender as you can see), so I'm wondering is it maybe Armillaria mellea? I mean I'm not stupid enough to eat anything with just asking 4chan alone (will double/triple check ID on other places before attempting, and yes I know even if it's a positive ID I still have to leech out boiling water multiple times to remove toxins and even then only consume small amounts), but still curious.
Close-ups follow

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 21:16:32 No.1122120 Report

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>>1122116

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Anonymous Wed 18 Oct 2017 21:17:37 No.1122121 Report

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>>1122120

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 02:20:09 No.1122287 Report

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>>1122116
Perhaps. You'd need to go through all the key identification stuff.

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/armillaria_mellea.html
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Armillaria_mellea.html

They look like they are starting on their way to being too old regardless of species.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 13:31:50 No.1122457 Report

Quoted By: >>1122589

My birthday is coming up and I need some ideas. What are some essential gardening texts and tools I should pick up?

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 17:44:42 No.1122589 Report

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>>1122457
It really depends on your level of gardening, methods of gardening, and what crops you are cultivating. Like if you do raised beds and want more you may want lumber or bricks/blocks to make more. If you till open ground, you may want a tiller or rolls of plastic mulch or straw bales for mulch. Plastic sheeting and plastic conduit pipes for polytunnels may be something too.

Things like a "foam kneeling pad", leather or rubber gardening gloves, and super-wide-brim straw hat are always good.

PROTIP: spray paint your straw hat white on top and black on bottom and inside to keep much cooler in the summer sun; just make sure to tape the inner head band before painting

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 18:04:48 No.1122602 Report

Quoted By: >>1122606

Alright guys I don't browse /out/ very often so I apologize if this is a common shitpost or meme.
I'm growing several Passionvines and these fucking Gulf Fritillary assholes are driving me up the goddamn wall. I've tried the usual bacillus / pyrethroid / spinosad bombardment that kills everything else and these things tank right through it. Every other website just goes "But anon they're pretty! Like live and let live they only eat the vine for one season!" No, fuck these things, they're worse then cabbage loopers and I desperately need to do caterpillar genocide here. Is there any solution aside from just doing an egg / worm hunt every day?

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 18:15:03 No.1122606 Report

Quoted By: >>1122621 >>1122798

I've purchased 19 dozen quart jars this year. That's 228 plus around 400ish that I already have on hand, though most are filled.

Today I finally got enough peppers to start half a load in the dehydrator. I'm trying to dehydrate green tomatoes to see how they will work in flavoring soups through the winter. I'm also dehydrating some black nightshade berries for muffin making later on. Normally, I freeze them, but I'm running out of freezer space. I really hope the green tomatoes work out, since there's so many that are green, on the vine, that won't ripen before frost freezing.

Here's what in this half load,

green tomatoes
cayenne peppers
jalapeno peppers
gypsy bell peppers
Hungarian wax peppers
black nightshade

I have tons of seeds saved from the hot peppers, but I ran out of gloves to separate them from the pith and bag them up for winter storage.

>>1122116
I wish I could find a load of mushrooms like that. I'd have my dehydrator stuffed full. Are those furnace bricks?

>>1122602
Hand picking them off is the first line of action of course. They will come in waves (emergences) which can give you a breather to regroup usually. Though, if you are in a really warm area and get multiple sets of emergences, they can overlap and screw you up. Do you have cicada killer wasps (Sphecius speciosus) or similar in your area? They will hunt many species of butterflies. I use them to wild harvest butterfly wings for crafts. They stung the butterfly, snip its wings off, and fly off leaving piles of wings under butterfly bushes. You can make areas of your yard into good nesting sites for them to attract females. (well-drained, sandy soils to loose clay in bare or grass-covered banks, berms and hills as well as next to raised sidewalks, driveways and patio slabs.)

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 18:28:57 No.1122621 Report

Quoted By: >>1122652

>>1122606
I unfortunately live in SoCal so they've been laying their eggs daily for the past 4 or so months. Not sure about the wasps though, I'll look into that for sure.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 19:26:10 No.1122652 Report

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>>1122621
Then perhaps something in the Bembix genus, in your area, eats them. Regardless, paper wasps should eat the caterpillars. Chalcid wasps should also predate them if they have a "soft" chrysalis.

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 19:40:38 No.1122658 Report

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>>1122589
How about books about raised bed gardening and general vegetable gardening?

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 20:11:39 No.1122680 Report

Quoted By: >>1122717

I'm in US zone 6b. It's my first year growing sweet potatoes, should I be digging them up this weekend?

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 20:14:49 No.1122681 Report

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Who else /startsseedsinpapertowelssealedinaplasticbag/ here?

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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 20:49:00 No.1122717 Report

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>>1122680
Have the tops died yet? Remember, the tubers need to season for a month or two in order to develop proper sweetness and flavor. Otherwise, they will be pretty bland in comparison.

>>1122658
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Anonymous Thu 19 Oct 2017 21:50:32 No.1122798 Report

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>>1122287
Yeah I thought so (them being in too old stage), but shit went way too quickly, I didn't see them at all in the last couple weeks though it's directly on my walkway which I pass dozens a times per day
>>1122606
Don't know where the bricks originally came from (dad got them from somewhere ages ago), but I have a stack of them I use as lawn/vegetable bed/flower bed... separators

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 00:18:54 No.1122901 Report

Quoted By: >>1122934

>>1122717
I'm not that guy, but I'm also growing sweet potatoes.
Is the proper way to wait until the tops naturally die due to cold? Do I just leave them in the ground to cure?
Will it hurt the tubers if they're left in the ground during winter?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 02:35:20 No.1122934 Report

Quoted By: >>1122955

>>1122901
You can eat them/harvest them at any time really. Normally, you wait for at least the tops to yellow or for the first frost. If you leave them in the ground, they may freeze and get ruined. You can insulate them by covering the ground with straw. There is still a chance of rot due to dampness. You really only do this to reduce the amount of work for next year when replanting. Cold stored sweet potatoes don't taste as good and become tougher.

Curing and seasoning are 2 different things. To cure them you dig them up and expose them to high humidity 80-90% and 80-85F temps. After that, you store them in a cool (55F), dry, dark, well ventilated container. You can eat them then or wait a month or so to let their flavor increase.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 03:31:43 No.1122955 Report

Quoted By: >>1123047

>>1122934
So they can season anywhere, just by being left to sit?
Should I dig the tubers up before first frost, or after the first frost kills the tops?
Do you know of a good way to cure the tubers without any special equipment?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 10:40:51 No.1123024 Report

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I've talked with my wife about buying house in the countryside and growing our own food there instead of working in the city. Obviously the transition would take few years so I was thinking about starting growing stuff on my balcony or maybe getting community garden with my mother (who is already growing vegetables and herbs on her apartament building lawn for few years). Still considering it, tips appreciated.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 10:46:09 No.1123025 Report

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 12:19:00 No.1123045 Report

Quoted By: >>1123098

>>1123025
Certainly ease into it. The biggest thing is changing your habits, both dietary and physically. After that knowledge, thoroughness, and experience will play the most important roles. Thus, gaining as much knowledge and experience as you can as soon as possible is a good thing. Go ahead and get started at home and with a community garden.

As far as purchasing property specifically with vegetable farming in mind, you will know soon enough as you start replacing some of your diet with home grown foods. When you do end up looking for property, there's a plethora of things to look out for which will help or hinder farming. That can be anything from distance of the garden to the house, how good the water is, or what side of a hill it is on in relation to the sun.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 12:27:48 No.1123047 Report

Quoted By: >>1123071

>>1122955
>So they can season anywhere, just by being left to sit?

Correct.

>Should I dig the tubers up before first frost, or after the first frost kills the tops?

That's really up to you. Personally, I'd do it as soon as the tops show sign of dying off, regardless of cause.

>Do you know of a good way to cure the tubers without any special equipment?

You can DIY a small humidity tent with plastic sheet/garbage bag/tarp, an electric space heater, a thermostat, and a large shallow flat container of water filled with stones. The stones would be half in and half out of the water and aid in evaporating the water. It is a good trick to raise ambient humidity around plants, especially indoors. Most hardware stores have everything you'd need for that. I use a wall thermostat intended for an electric baseboard heater. You should also have a thermometer and a hygrometer, you can usually get a combo one with both on it. Then you always know the temps and humidity.

One tip, you can use an aquarium heater for small amounts of tubers, but only if the heater tube is placed in a container of water. That can be a juice bottle or gallon milk jug. They have their own built in thermostats and perfect temp range you can set it to. So, if you already have one, you are set, unless you have a huge amount of tubers. You can also insulate the humidity tent to reduce the need to heat it so much.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 13:42:07 No.1123071 Report

Quoted By: >>1123092

>>1123047
What are the effects of not curing them? Spoil faster? Effect on flavor?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 14:37:32 No.1123092 Report

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>>1123071
Both, yes. Any injuries to the skin will heal themselves during that time.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 14:50:58 No.1123098 Report

Quoted By: >>1123120 >>1123121 >>1123701

>>1123045
Thank you.
Actually we've already made huge changes in diet and habits over few last years. We actually buy a lot of homegrowned from friends and farmer's market. I just need to push my habbits more, wife is already there.

Pros:
Being jack of a trades and a handyman should help, as well both of us growing in town houses with traditional gardens (at my house we even had chickens which I've learned to kill and prepare), we should also be able to afford buying old house with a patch of land. I can do renovations myself. I even know A LOT of wild edibles. We know people who homegrow part time including my parents-in-law.

Cons:
My biggest concerns are: I have no knowledge how grow food and raise animals. The things you've wrote about choosing property for example: I'm clueless. I've seen how it's done for 20 years and helped a lot but I wasn't me doing it.
Second big concern is quitting a job. I was thinking about crafting some things for sale to be able to pay taxes and bills. Will it be enough to feed my family?

So I guess my goals untill kids are old enough and my mother gets so sick she needs to live with us are:
Learn a lot of theory, test as much as possible in small scale so I will see with my own eyes it's possible. I know I can raise chickens as they are low maintenance. We have old dog. I magine taking care of him can't be much different from keeping a goat.

People dumber than me were doing it for millenia, without all the knowledge there is now. How hard can it be right?

Anyone else having something to add?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 15:12:44 No.1123109 Report

Quoted By: >>1123134

How do you think data about companion planting was gathered? Did they grow each possible combo and see which one performed better/worse? Or did they observe which plants do grow together in the wild? I sometime feel the lists you see floating around are little more than copypasta from some dubious grimoires written in the 70's... How would you do it?

Oh, and here's something unrelated you may find interesting: http://articles.extension.org/pages/18539/twelve-steps-toward-ecological-weed-management-in-organic-vegetables

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 15:45:31 No.1123120 Report

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>>1123098
Property Needs for general farming:

•Mostly flat land, some hills are fine as they can be used for various types of things. Such as installing a root cellars or planting north-side-requiring plants.
•Pond, for animals and aquaculture. If the electric is out, you need some place to water animals.
•Water well, 1 or more than don't run out from just doing laundry all day. If one exists on the property, require that it be tested for bacteria BEFORE you purchase the land.
•Barn, for equipment, feed, and animals.
•Property boundary fencing. This is a must. Have the entire property surveyed and move/build fences accordingly.
•Cross fencing. These section the land up into zones for vegetables, animals, grazing rotation, etc.
•Greenhouse, for growing plant starts more than anything else. Kicking off the season early with your own plants is essential
•Polytunnels/cold frames/hot boxes, for extending the in-field season in spring and fall.
•Trees, a forested area is great for many types of farming needs from mushroom growing to nuts, sugar bush, and biomass collection.

The types of additional structures really depends on what you'll be doing, the size of the farm, and the type of animals you'll be raising. For instance, you may need a grain silo, chicken coop, slaughterhouse, drying room, root cellars, smithy & tool storage/repair, pavilions for livestock to get out of the weather, livestock pens and chutes for loading and medical needs, and the list goes on and on. The biggest thing you can do is to look for and plan for ease of access to all of these things from your home. Don't put the barn a 5 minute walk from the house. Walking sucks in bad weather when it is 3am and you need to help birth a goat. Everything needs to be grouped together. Something as simple as improperly placing your bee hives and ending up with their flight path across your walking path can be a major pain.

Continued...

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 15:46:36 No.1123121 Report

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>>1123098
>>1123120
...Continued

Another concern is prevailing winds and cardinal directions in reference to the sun in your location. Prevailing winds will mean storms will normally blow rain/snow in one main direction. You don't want your porch, main entrances, or walkway on that side of your house/buildings; because battling driving rain while herding goats into the barn sucks. The direction the sun takes is extremely important. This is for cooling/heating of your house and buildings, lighting or shading your greenhouses, vegetables gardens, and food storage. You'll want to use that to its maximum potential. Something as simple as having the kitchen on the East side (bright & sunny in morn) instead of the North side (dark & gloomy in morn) may make all the difference in a person's mood and outlook for the entire day. At least for whoever is the cook for the day.

Small things like having a place to hose off your boots, dogs, or kids, out of the weather before going into the house, makes all the difference. Food storage should be near the kitchen, not over the hill in the root cellar on the wrong end of the property. Same thing for stuff like wood storage for a stove or feed storage for animals. Draw up plans. That will help you quickly spot good building positioning when looking for property to purchase.

One big thing, your neighbors. Check them out before buying property. Actually meet them in person at least once. Actually check them out online, even so far as hiring a company to give you a run down on who they are. You'll be living near them with your family. Make sure they are not known for being fucked up or worse. The best neighbors will be other farmers with home you can trade ideas, knowledge, services, help, and products.

This is certainly not everything, but it may be a place to start or at least contain 1 item of info you did not consider before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:00:10 No.1123131 Report

Quoted By: >>1123139

>>1123120
>>1123121
That's a good starter. Thank you!

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:01:23 No.1123133 Report

Quoted By: >>1123139

Is there such a thing as a plant "veterinary"?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:03:22 No.1123134 Report

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>>1123109
Finding concrete scientific information about companion planting is difficult. This is because there's so much to correlate and t hat means separate experiments and published papers on each and every thing. Yes, quite a few places merely copy and paste their info from other websites and sources. Many of those type of sites don't have proper citations and don't actually try out the advice they are giving. For the places that actually use the information they are giving you, they will have been tried and true practices. Forums are good places for that type of thing since you can directly talk to someone about their technique. Other good sources will be sites that have photos of their personal garden/farm and detail what they are doing.

Always do your best to trace back the citations that are given. If none are given, they take it with a grain of salt. Somethings you can figure out on your own from simple logic, if you know the behaviors of the plants in the first place. Like knowing that most salad greens/lettuce like cooler temps and shadier spots. Thus when someone says they companion plant those on the shade-side of crops like sunflowers or staked tomato plants, you know it probably is a legit companion planting technique. What is more difficult to infer through logic, is when they say something like X plant doesn't like Y plant because Y plant gives off a suppression chemical that X plant can't handle. Or, that X plant attracts/repels Y insects or stuff like, "improves flavor". The worst ones are those that give a chart of what goes with what, but never lists why those are good or bad together.

Try places like Google Scholar instead of regular Google,
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=companion+planting

Websites often have a disclaimer stating something like, "Companion planting is not an exact science." Actually it is an exact science.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:06:39 No.1123139 Report

Quoted By: >>1123153

>>1123131
No problem. Keep an eye out for programs that help you plan farms and gardens. Like Mother Earth News has a subscription-based program that keeps track of tons of data about your garden planning. It is actually quite nice, but I'm allergic to subscriptions. I used Minecraft to plan out things like building placements before. It let me run around the "farm" and get the feel for how close things are or how repetitive something was going to be that needed to be moved.

>>1123133
Phytopathologist.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:24:10 No.1123153 Report

Quoted By: >>1123164

>>1123139
I was thinking alternatively to land a job as farm hand after I buy the property. So I still still have income and I simply duplicate some of the things I do at work
actually not bad idea with minecraft, same as the guy who make project of your kitchen using 3D animation
You gave me another idea. I know a guy who runs city apiary on the culture centre rooftops. If I would learn the craft I could start from apiary and build gradually. I'll see what will work out the best and go with the flow I guess.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:36:21 No.1123164 Report

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>>1123153
Some things can pay for themselves. Like egg-laying breeds of chickens. If they are free range enough, their feed costs will be much much lower. You can sell the eggs which will pay for all the feed and then some. However, a broiler breed like Cornish X Rock will only be a money sink, on a small farm, since they are physically unable to be anything other than a meat chicken.

About butchering animals. Some people raise a very few animals, end up bonding with them then never butchering them because the animals became pets. This effect is lessened if you do 2 things. 1, is to never name them. 2, is to have a lot of animals. 5 goats will bond easier with you than say 15-30 goats. Same with most everything. The higher the number you have the easier it is to keep from bonding to an individual and the easier it is to butcher them. It is a bit of a "trap" that many people don't realize until much much later.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:37:48 No.1123165 Report

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I could use some help over here. I know next to nothing about taking care of plants, but I've been growing this fella from a pit for a good while now. Its clearly in some sort of distress, but I really don't know shit on what to do to fix it.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:38:57 No.1123166 Report

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>>1123165

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:40:51 No.1123169 Report

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>>1123166

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:56:20 No.1123184 Report

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>>1123165
>>1123166
>>1123169
>avocado
the fuck if I know, but here goes some ideas

root rot due to overwatering
not watering it enough
needs a transplant
not feeding it
feeding it too much
too cold
too hot

quick google search for "avocado tree care" might yield more results

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:56:24 No.1123185 Report

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>>1123165
Not enough water probably. How are the moisture levels and does that pot drain water out properly? Also, you need to repot it into a much larger container.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 16:57:55 No.1123187 Report

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>>1123165
wait just notice this, what the fuck are those specks on the leaves and stem? is it frost?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 17:00:22 No.1123188 Report

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>>1123187
nvm the thing is supposed to grow relatively fine in cold temps

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 17:00:47 No.1123189 Report

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>>1123184
Too much water should give it yellow leaves lower down first. Too much feeding could do that with root burn, same as not enough water would look, especially if foliar feeding was being done too. Probably not too cold judging from the trees in the background. Shouldn't be too hot, judging from the looks of the other background stuff.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 18:11:19 No.1123217 Report

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>>1115602
I'm trying to find a plant that

>is a climbing vine
>can tolerate short light frosts
>has edible leaves

Any suggestions?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 18:57:49 No.1123234 Report

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>>1123217
Peas and some beans?

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 21:35:21 No.1123313 Report

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Just planted some trilliums, ramps, elderberries, american ginseng, and an experimental batch of morel mycellium at my relatives place out in the country. Can't wait to see if I get any results.

I planted 3 1-ounce bags of ramps so I better get a nice patch going.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 22:03:32 No.1123328 Report

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>>1123313
>elderberries
>from seed

Really, good luck with that. They are a bitch to germinate. Some seed companies acid etch before selling them, so that helps. But, they need acid etching and cold stratification and good nitrogen content in the soil. Otherwise, they can take as long as 2-3 years to germinate under normal conditions.

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Anonymous Fri 20 Oct 2017 22:09:54 No.1123329 Report

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>>1123328
Yeah, I read that they are quite persnickety. In the case of the elderberries I am not counting on them to grow, this was just an experiment since I needed to spend an extra $10 to get free shipping on my order. If I get even 1 in a few years time I'll be happy.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 03:55:00 No.1123517 Report

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>fertilizer I ordered was stuck in customs inspection for over a month
>assumed it was getting rejected
>bought local fertilizer
>literally two weeks later, the original fertilizer has been released by customs

Motherfuckers.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 11:07:11 No.1123701 Report

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>>1123098
just remember money is important too.
Stretching to reach your dream of farming can all end in tears if you cant afford emergency cost or unplanned money.

Have you thought about freelancing your current job, remote working etc?
Crafting is fine and all, but hard to justify to a bank manager as solid income.

Otherwise it sounds like you have your head screwed on pretty well.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 11:20:40 No.1123703 Report

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>>1123517
I don't think you should put raging at government, spare fertilizer and killer spree gunman picture (fictional or not) in one post on this website mate

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 12:00:52 No.1123715 Report

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>>1123703
kek

Well, I don't think you can make anything nefarious with epsom salt, calcium nitrate, and a fertilizer blend.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 12:25:32 No.1123733 Report

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>>1123517
You really should just use composed manures and other composted organics. You can even compost your own blackwater waste using a biogas methane digester. It turns everything into methane and high nitrogen fertilizer. Google, "biogas methane digester diy" and "how to compost".

>>1123715
Those are ingredients for making methamphetamines and explosives. You can't even buy epsom salts here anymore because of faggot meth heads. Fertilizer is the last thing you should be ordering across the border. No wonder it too forever.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 12:54:14 No.1123740 Report

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>waiting for seedling to appear
>germinates
>bird ate it
Why!!!????

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 13:03:09 No.1123742 Report

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>>1123740
>not starting your seedlings indoors

Eat the bird.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 13:05:31 No.1123745 Report

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>>1123733
>You can't even buy epsom salts here anymore because of faggot meth heads.

Where do you live? You can order 20 pound bags of Amazon for $30, and all my local pharmacies carry 1lb boxes.

Please don't make stuff up, this isn't /b/

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 14:30:38 No.1123766 Report

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Citruses are the most resource and nutrient hungry plants I have ever grown, not to mention they're really picky about feeding amounts and levels.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 15:03:53 No.1123779 Report

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>when your Brazilian Starfish peppers start germinating

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 15:54:58 No.1123796 Report

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Kratky hydroponic bell peppers.
Produced about 20 already.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 16:13:54 No.1123818 Report

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>>1123745
Then I'm perpetuating a lie that was told to me by 2 clerks at local stores. I never said it was illegal or anything. No one carries it anymore, for meth-related reasons I'm told.

>>1123779
Interesting looking peppers. What is the SHU? Seems to range is like 5k to 30k SHU which is a huge swing.

>>1123796
I've always wanted to try that, but using pottery instead of plastic. I'm glad to see how well they are performing.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Oct 2017 20:13:24 No.1123917 Report

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>>1123818
>Interesting looking peppers. What is the SHU? Seems to range is like 5k to 30k SHU which is a huge swing.

I haven't tried them yet, but almost every review I've read or seen mentions that it can be pretty hot or pretty mild. Even the seed package says it has "variable heat". If I can get something at least as hot as a jalapeno but with juicy, sweet flesh, I'll be very happy.

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⌾ Sat 21 Oct 2017 20:35:03 No.1123933 Report

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>>1123701
>you have your head screwed on pretty well
That I hope so. We actually moved from town to town lately, closed small business, found jobs. Was risky but worked out pretty well.
Thanks for all the advice. Way more useful when you're pointed in the right direction instead of learning on mistakes.
You'll be hearing more from me, hopefully will ask for specific advice on growing this spring, hence the namefield.

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>>1115667 grow well lil fella

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