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Is this the best sleeping gear when innawoods or /out/??

Anonymous Thu 01 Mar 2018 16:12:50 No.1216052 View View Reply Original Report

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Does anyone have any experience with the Military's modular sleep system? It is waterproof, and can be used in warm weather down to -20 degrees F. I am going to pick one up new for $180 new at a surplus store...Also is it to heavy for camping trips? How do you carry it while hiking innawoods?

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Anonymous Thu 01 Mar 2018 16:35:26 No.1216065 Report

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>>1216052
Im a sucker for surplus, but this thing won't do. The only good thing about it is the bivi bag. Its just way too heavy and doesn't keep you warm. If you like military stuff get a snugpak and a bivibag, it will be cheaper and lighter and i bet you'll be happier

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Anonymous Thu 01 Mar 2018 16:38:33 No.1216066 Report

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I have researched this pretty extensively and yea it is heavy but I hear nothing but positives as far as durability and performance

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Anonymous Thu 01 Mar 2018 16:49:09 No.1216069 Report

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>>1216066
Have you slept in - 20 degrees (Fahrenheit or celsius? )
I can tell you this sleeping bag will maybe keep you warm to about - 10C max. For that money youll get many better sleeping bags

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Anonymous Thu 01 Mar 2018 22:59:50 No.1216310 Report

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The MSS weighs about 10 ibs with all three components in the stuff sack and fully compressed it takes up about a cubic foot of space. If you'll just be driving up to the local city campsite then you'll be OK. Wouldn't recommend it for hikes longer than a few miles though. It was designed to be to used with standard issue cold weather gear in order to be rated for a temperature far below what the actual bag will provide without the jacket/pants, so I doubt you'll be anywhere near comfortable near -20. I have slept comfortably in the green bag alone at 50 degrees F, and the black bag and bivy to about 20 degrees F using a woobie on the ground. Hope this helps anon.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Mar 2018 23:09:20 No.1216312 Report

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>>1216310
hes right, like anon said, if you like military stuff, check out carinthia sleeping bags (dutch, german, french army surplus or new) or better yet, get a more civillian or for instance a snugpak sleeping bag. Ive got the Snugpak softie elite 3, it says comfort is -5C and its true.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Mar 2018 23:12:57 No.1216317 Report

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I've used the bivi bag before it's pretty durable kept me warm and dry , when /out/. I Don't use the sleeping bag though so can't speak for that.

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Anonymous Thu 01 Mar 2018 23:15:00 No.1216319 Report

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>>1216052
Heavy yes but I have the winter bag and bivy cover and it's great for everything. Also make sure to wear very little clothing or go naked in it to maximize body heat (seriously do it or freeze)

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Anonymous Fri 02 Mar 2018 00:01:08 No.1216357 Report

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>>1216052
It's too heavy m8. Perfect for sleeping next to your car at a campsite, but nothing else. It's heavier than a godamn tent nigger.

And don't bother with the rating. Don't actually try to sleep in -20f weather. No $180 bag is going to get you through that alive.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Mar 2018 00:03:26 No.1216359 Report

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>>1216319
thats stupid, keep your clothes on except when theyre wet, if youre not wearing wool. It would make sense if its a non breathable bivi bag, but not with goretex. Think of a sleeping bag like your ultra warm winter jacket, do you wear a winterjacket as addition to other clothes or do you wear it on your naked body ? If you wear layers with air in between youll maximise the ability to keep your bodyheat.

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Anonymous Fri 02 Mar 2018 03:16:51 No.1216499 Report

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>>1216319
"Also make sure to wear very little clothing or go naked in it to maximize body heat (seriously do it or freeze)"
Worst advice ever! 1), doing this gets your dead skin and body oils ground into your sleeping bag degrading the insulating properties over time and just making things nasty. 2) your body's circadian cycle is lowest around 4 am which means waking up cold and needing to piss like a race horse.
Best advise is eat something before bed , stick a nalgene of hot water in your fart sack. wear a hat and neck gaiter clean socks and at least a wool 1st layer top and bottom. Place your clothes under your bag and above your sleep pad to keep them near and unfrozen, It sucks but winter camping always contains some suck.

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Anonymous Sat 03 Mar 2018 02:32:39 No.1217251 Report

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>>1216052
I have the Canadian MSS (down filled), its way too heavy at 13-15 pounds BUT i got it pretty cheap and it kept me warm at -36 c (No extra clothing just boxers). What i usually do is simply take the winter bag + bivy, it holds up until -15 then you gotta put extra clothing at least the weight becomes manageable

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Anonymous Sat 03 Mar 2018 02:58:54 No.1217263 Report

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>>1216052
It's pretty fucking good. I have made better, but at twice the cost. But yea, 50 degree bag, 20 degree bag, together makes 0 degree bag with but is nice.

My set up is the 40 degree rei bag, the 0 degree down sea to summit bag, and the goretex bivy I managed to get from the army. Sappers lead the way.

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Anonymous Sat 03 Mar 2018 03:17:13 No.1217269 Report

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>>1216052
I have one and have used it for several years. It is durable af. The bivy is a tank. I have gone down to 0 with the whole thing comfortably. The -30 rating is with full ECWS heavy thermals, hat, booties etc.

If you have to buy only one sleeeping bag system to cover you, it is a good deal. It is heavy. But try to find another sleeping bag that will take you to 0ish with a waterproof bivy for $180 that is the same weight.

The stuff sack is overkill though. Not putting the straps over both ends make all the straps and buckles kind of pointless.

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Anonymous Sat 03 Mar 2018 08:21:43 No.1217379 Report

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>ask /out/ opinion
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