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Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 18:39:15 No.127676 View View Reply Original Report

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I just want to live in the wilderness /out/. I don't want to finish uni, I don't want to talk to my parents, I don't want to deal with old friends and enemies and getting hired and living on the weekends. I don't want to deal with taxes and a wife and kids. I just want to live in a cabin where no one can find me.

How can I do this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 18:43:14 No.127681 Report

Quoted By: >>127696

sell everything, get a wad of cash and leave

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 18:48:06 No.127684 Report

Quoted By: >>127688 >>129177

>>127676
There's 2 cabins in a forest near my hometown that were built in the 70's by some hippies, and are now accepted by the city council as some kind of oddity. The dude living in one of them told me the other is empty and I could move in if I wanted to, for free including electricity and a well.
Basically, be me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 18:49:29 No.127685 Report

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>>127676
cardboard sign requesting camping gear outside walmart, ems or whatever's near you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 18:50:27 No.127688 Report

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>>127684
Dude why haven't you moved in? That's the dream

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 18:54:42 No.127692 Report

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>>127688
I'm still considering it.
But it's pretty basic, and not exactly attractive to women.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 19:00:02 No.127696 Report

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>>127681
but where do I go?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 19:02:54 No.127700 Report

Quoted By: >>127741 >>130138 >>132139

>>127696
go to your preferred climate - on foot.
by the time you arrive you'll know a lot more about what you want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 20:00:40 No.127741 Report

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>>127700
huh...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 20:30:42 No.127751 Report

Quoted By: >>128010

>>127676
"hapiness is not true unless shared"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 21:28:40 No.127798 Report

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>>127692
>But it's pretty basic, and not exactly attractive to women.
Um, I would think it's pretty obvious if you want to be a friendless, family-less, jobless hermit, you are going to have to also give up on having a girlfriend.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 21:36:06 No.127801 Report

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>>127676
>How can I do this?

Like this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2089634/Bear-Grylls-survival-challenge-man-dead-remote-Scottish-mountain-hut.html

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 May 2013 21:45:59 No.127807 Report

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>>127676

People in this thread have already given you the answer. However the cabin living lifestyle that you're probably imagining would require you to be a millionaire first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 02:43:23 No.128010 Report

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>>127751
said no married man ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:18:44 No.128060 Report

Quoted By: >>128063 >>130273 >>131155 >>136783

>>127676
OP, I've researched this a LOT, because my life's ambition is to live by myself alone amongst nature.

You have two options: legal or illegal. Assuming you live in the USA, Illegal would involve living in a national forest. The rangers WILL force you to leave if they discover what you're doing, so you need to keep a low profile and always be on the move. Make yourself look like a normal camper. Finding food will be a problem, particularly in winter, so see if you can't set up an underground or completely inconspicuous shelter for when the snows come that you can store food in.

The legal way is much more secure, but it requires a lot of money up front. Buy land, forested land in some sparsely populated area. North Dakota, Montana, Idaho, are all perfect. Colorado is a bit warmer, North Carolina, Tennessee, Maine, and Kentucky are closer to civilization and a LOT warmer, and if you'd prefer the desert to the forest, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas hill country all have excellent areas of beautiful land to live on. Make ABSOLUTELY SURE you have water and stump rights to your land, because that is NOT guaranteed. There are a lot of scenarios where you buy a plot of land but you don't have the right to collect rainwater or cut down trees. Make sure you have the rights to your own resources before you sign; most truly remote properties come with those rights.

Then, build your cabin. You can buy property with a cabin/house already on it, but it WILL cost a fuckload more. Landwatch.com is an excellent site to visit for finding properties; there are obviously other websites with land listings but Landwatch is the biggest by far. Tens of thousands of properties for sale at any given moment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:20:40 No.128061 Report

Quoted By: >>128070 >>136414

Build a house with my friend and me in Alaska.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:27:18 No.128063 Report

Quoted By: >>128069 >>130273

>>128060
How much land you need depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to run a full blown farm to the point where you grow everything you eat, you'll need a lot of land. If you want animals, you'll need even more land. If you're willing to import staples like oats, wheat, rice, beans, bread, and lentils, then you only need a handful of acres. My personal plan is to import staples from town, raise chickens but no other livestock. While pigs, goats, and cows are all highly destructive to the land, chickens do very little if any damage. Additionally, they lay eggs and thus provide food while they are alive as well as when they die, and when it does come time to slaughter them for meat, chickens are extremely efficient in amount they eat : amount of meat available to eat; far more than pigs or goats and miles ahead of cattle. I also plan to plant a vegetable garden. This gives me fruits/vegetables, grains, eggs, and the occasional meat for insignificant amounts of money. With this plan, I need something like 8-10 acres, and that is being generous. If you want more meat, or if you want less dependence on the grocery store for your food, you will need considerably more land.

Of course, you must also consider how much land you need to walk around in and enjoy. When looking at land listings, go on Google maps, plot out the area of land advertised in your own neighborhood (experiment to find similar distances) and then walk around that area and ask yourself if this is enough. One EXCELLENT idea, that I fully intend on pursuing, is buying property that is adjacent to a national forest/park. It will be vastly more expensive per acre than it would be otherwise, but it opens up the possibility of THOUSANDS of acres of beautiful land to hike, camp, and otherwise enjoy. The illegal option, obviously, guarantees you this same beauty no matter what.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:32:22 No.128065 Report

Quoted By: >>128071

Your angst is typical, OP. It is fear, and it will pass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:39:50 No.128069 Report

Quoted By: >>130273

>>128063
Going with the legal option (homesteading) comes with one big catch: it's expensive. Phenomenally expensive. Land is not cheap. You will have to prepare for your retreat from civilization; suck it up, work a job, save your money, live ultra cheap, suffer now so that you might live in bliss later. Also keep in mind property tax; no on ever really OWNS property in America. You rent it from the state. You will need more money even when you buy the land. There's good news and bad news: tax on simple land is next to nothing. $20/year, if that. If you build and live on it, however, your taxes will skyrocket. Several hundred dollars per year, which still isn't that big of a deal all things considered. The point is you will need a flow of money, and you have options.

You can simply save up even more money in your initial accumulation period. Calculate how much you will need to pay the taxes for the next 50 years, then save up that much money. Or, and this is the method I am using, find a career that you can do while living in the woods. Me, I chose computer science. Freelance software development is legendary for being absolute living hell that pays below minimum wage, but when all you need is $700 a year for taxes, groceries, and minimal utilities, it doesn't *matter*, and computer science pays bank if you're willing to be a wage slave. Thus, I plan on living like a stoner out of graduation, saving all my money, then when I have enough, buying land in the mountains or the desert and living as a hermit until I die.

I hope what I have learned can help you do something similar, OP, and I truly do wish you luck in whatever avenue of retreat from civilization you choose to pursue. Modern society is a toxic, sterile hell and there really is no way to live a happy live amongst it. Be glad that the majority of the population do not feel as we do, or there would be nowhere left that is far away from the cities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:41:58 No.128070 Report

Quoted By: >>136414

>>128061
When, where, and how much?

I am dead fucking serious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:42:36 No.128071 Report

Quoted By: >>128076 >>128171 >>128200 >>131160

>>128065
Yeah, it passes when you're 25 and then you live the shitty suburban life full of insecurity with yourself telling yourself that you're happy and this was the best choice. When you're about to die you look back unfulfilled and realize what you should have done.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:48:03 No.128074 Report

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>>127692
>not exactly attractive to women.

I thought you wanted to stop being part of the problem here, sport.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 05:50:31 No.128076 Report

Quoted By: >>128107 >>128171 >>128200

>>128071
This. If your yearning for something better than "living" in suburbia ever does 'pass', then you need to really look at your surroundings, and how absolutely hellish they are, to rekindle that flame of hope. When the hope dies, when you become settled into a life of misery and living death, that's when your life ends. I've met dead men who are 23 years old and won't go into the grave for another half century. I've seen corpses who never even considered the idea that they might actually come alive one day. It's sickening, horrifying, and the fact that there's more of them then there are of us makes me fear for everything that lives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 08:01:45 No.128107 Report

Quoted By: >>130401

>>128076
You're projecting a lot, my friend, a lot of us normals are pretty satisfied with life, and enjoy the company of others. I get all the solitude I need in my house.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 10:59:55 No.128136 Report

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I belive the focus of living in nature should not be to isolate yourself socially, but to isolate yourself from society and living a happy life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 11:37:50 No.128153 Report

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Wasn't there a guy some time ago who said he was gonna buy some land in eastern Europe and start a commune? I seem to remember a few of us wanted to join him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 12:15:16 No.128171 Report

Quoted By: >>128200 >>128299

>>128071
>>128076
Get married. Have a family. Get a stable job. You think it's dead inside because, once people have those things, they stop caring about the vapid things that you currently think are import, and those friends stop being around very often.

Love, family, productive work? Much more satisfying than just about anything else. The only thing that really compares? Having the money to go do the things that you want to do, like take a vacation in Hawaii in two weeks.

This really is normal, young adult angst that you're experiencing, and it'll pass.

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Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 12:24:18 No.128175 Report

Quoted By: >>128198

>>127676
you can't
like a wild animal raised in a zoo, they can't survive even if they want to live /out/doors really hard

take dick proenneke, despite living in the 'civilization' he was raised not to dependent of it, he hunted, harvested his own crops and learned carpentry in the army
he had strict work ethic and when he decided to go hermit he had skill, willpower, mindset, years of experience, money and balls to do it
you don't have any of it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 13:27:55 No.128198 Report

Quoted By: >>128397 >>130132 >>137573

>>128175
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Otter_Castle

This man built a three story+turret castle out of pine logs in the middle of nowhere, with no prior experience, all by himself, all to impress a girl.

Everything you mentioned can be gotten with work.

It's possible.

On a semi-related note, anyone heard from Weird Texan in a while?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 13:31:23 No.128200 Report

Quoted By: >>128247 >>128248 >>131196

>>128171
>>128071
>>128076

Personally I think you're both wrong. Some things work for some people and other things don't. No way of living is paticularly "better" than someone elses way of living it's just better for the person who wants it.

Do what you want, and let others do what they want.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 14:36:22 No.128247 Report

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>>128200
Of course, but that's really not the issue. OP is an outdoorsman with land, wealth, training and experience. He's a college kid facing the prospect of having to get a job. There's a difference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 14:39:52 No.128248 Report

Quoted By: >>131200

>>128200
>>128247
That should have been "isn't an outdoorsman..."

And, in case you're curious, here was the give away:

>I don't want to talk to my parents

That's what teenage angst looks like. And being afraid to talk to your parents, and considering your aquaintances as "old friends and enemies" pretty clearly belies the fact that he's lacking in the emotional maturity necessary to learn self-sufficiency. If you're that invested in other people? You're not nearly invested enough, in yourself, to get it done.

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Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 16:02:21 No.128299 Report

Quoted By: >>128302 >>128316 >>128324 >>128383 >>131156

>>128171
>Get married. Have a family. Get a stable job.
Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Be alive only on the weekends.

>once people have those things, they stop caring about the vapid things that you currently think are import
Now, see, I'd actually say the exact opposite. Once people have those things, they stop caring about anything other than the vapid things you currently think are important. Once you get settled into the life of a wage slave, you'll be too drained from work, and too brainwashed by propaganda, to consider doing anything other than being a good little consumer and buying more status symbols.

Work a job that you hate to buy things you don't need to impress people you don't like. No thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 16:08:15 No.128302 Report

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>>128299
Yeah, you have to eat and sleep. Sorry to break it to you, but you're a human being. Get a job you enjoy. I make video games. It's satisfying and I am happy, when I go to work. I get to be around people I like, doing something I enjoy. And at night, I come home and spend time with my wife.

Look, you lived to adult-hood. You have parents and old friends to want to avoid. You're at university. You're too old for mommy and daddy issues.

It's not slavery--it's a job. You'll make it--I believe in you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 16:36:59 No.128316 Report

Quoted By: >>128370

>>128299

It's easy to put a negative spin on any way of living.

>Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep.

That's life for you no matter what, unless you're Paris Hilton.

What I believe bothers you is the feeling of meaningless repetition in normal work. But truth is that it puts food on the table as much as hunting it yourself, even if the instant gratification isn't there. Maybe you need to find a job that feels meaningful to you, no matter the pay, and the rest will follow. I feel the same way as you, but I wouldn't exclude it to one lifestyle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 16:51:53 No.128324 Report

Quoted By: >>128331 >>128383 >>129702

>>128299
>Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Be alive only on the weekends.

And what do you think you'll be doing when you're living in the wild? You'll be working literally all day trying to get by. Survival is hard work, it's not a magical envigorating experience like playing World of Warcraft.

Let me guess, you've just watched Fight Club now you're having the existential crisis that always comes after watching it.

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Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 16:57:14 No.128328 Report

Quoted By: >>128370 >>128402 >>129555

Not going to handpick the replies I want to respond to, but, I have found my passion in life and that lies in surfing. It is only once you have started that you realize the surreal beauty of the ocean and appreciate it for what it is. I do not want to live a lavish, rich lifestyle. I plan to study engineering and then settle down on the hills surrounding my favorite break and live out my days surfing and absorbing the ocean.

Pic related. It's about 10km from the place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 17:00:38 No.128331 Report

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>>128324
>Let me guess, you've just watched Fight Club now you're having the existential crisis that always comes after watching it.
Now realize that you're old enough to have been young enough to have had an existential crisis after watching that movie, when it came out.

Now THAT'S a bummer.

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Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 17:34:38 No.128370 Report

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>>128328

>>128316 here.

That's awesome! I work as a windsurfing instructor and other related events during the summers months. The pay is nice for the so called 'work' you do. Also lots of nice people of all ages and hot chicks in tight suits.

I'm introverted like a motherfucker and prefer to spend virtually all of my time completely alone, so it's nice with a job that breaks that sometimes unhealthy habit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 17:45:05 No.128383 Report

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>>128324
>>128299
Here's what I do. Work a shitty job of pure misery for a year or two. Live cheaply as possible, no car, and pitch a tent in the woods if you can. You will come out with enough money to stay unemployed for atleast 5 years.

Being out of the 9-5 doesn't mean your building a log cabin, chopping trees with an axe, trapping wild animals, and growing a garden. You can live off a $300/month if you budget.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 18:25:59 No.128397 Report

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I approve of the idea, but OP sounds like he's running from temporary problems. Can't you just play society's game till you get the resources to hermit mode much more comfortably- own land, livestock, some farming equipment?
Also, >>128198
>anyone heard from Weird Texan in a while?
I've been wanting to see his hobbit hole. If he doesn't post in a few days, I'm starting a rescue party.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 18:33:54 No.128402 Report

Quoted By: >>129077

>>128328
I make about half of what a lot of people I graduated with do. I also live two blocks from a spring fed river with one of the best kayak surfing holes in the state and work 8 river miles downstream. I can and sometimes do kayak to work and back. I fully understand, I have no stress, make a decent living, and do what I love the most every day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 May 2013 19:22:06 No.128429 Report

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>>127676
It's simple. Kill yourself, then have someone bury you in the wild.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 16:27:49 No.129077 Report

Quoted By: >>129181 >>129283

>>128402

The environment you live in has a huge impact on your quality of life. Way more so than the amount of money you make. I've got a buddy that gets by with his own little landscaping business. He doesn't make great money but he has a little house right on the coast in San Diego and couldn't be happier. Basically, would you rather be making $30 to 40k a year with a setup like that or be making $100k but living in a boring suburban area.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 18:55:17 No.129168 Report

Quoted By: >>129284 >>136565

Same story

>Have this romantic notion of the great outdoors
>Fantasize about living in nature
>Realize all the risks/logistics are way too elaborate

>Wanna at least see what it feels like
>Just for a couple of days in summer
>Again look into logistics
>Realize I can't just go into the forest and set up a camp

Obstacles everywhere. But it's like this for everything. You can't just do things. Not anymore.

I'm gonna have to figure out what I'm actually allowed to do.

Always the same cycle. Feels bad man.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 19:03:22 No.129177 Report

Quoted By: >>129552

>>127684

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 19:06:06 No.129181 Report

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>>129077
I also get three weeks paid vacation, and got a month off when my son was born. M-F, 9-4, on call every other weekend. My boss is pretty /out/ even though he's older.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 21:00:55 No.129247 Report

Quoted By: >>129248 >>129258 >>129299 >>130402 >>130404

>>127676
1. Don't cut off your options. Finish uni that way in the event that you feel like returning to society (yes, hard to believe), or change your mind, you have options.

2. You lived 18 years of your life on someone else's checkbook, you have a debt to pay to society. Either get a job or commit suicide. Its not about happiness its not about pleasure, its not about you. When society allows someone to live for 18 years we expect them to repay their debt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 21:01:53 No.129248 Report

Quoted By: >>129258

>>129247
Also, don't commit suicide/leave society before paying off your debt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 21:09:26 No.129258 Report

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>>129247
>>129248
Regardless don't be a burden

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 21:55:53 No.129283 Report

Quoted By: >>130029

>>129077
>Basically, would you rather be making $30 to 40k a year with a setup like that
Except that's not what happens when you pursue fun instead of money. You don't make 40k a year with a nice home. You make $12k a year and share a 2 bedroom apartment with someone else who can't get a real job either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 21:56:38 No.129284 Report

Quoted By: >>129307

>>129168
>>Realize I can't just go into the forest and set up a camp
Why not? You not in America? Because here, you can easily just go into the forest and set up a camp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 22:07:13 No.129289 Report

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lol, all these internet hippies and anarchists, none of us had any friends in school either, stop trying to pretend like you have some deep moral crisis and just admit you're a nerd without any adventure in your life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 22:17:39 No.129299 Report

Quoted By: >>130009

>>129247

>Its not about happiness it's not about pleasure, its not about you. When society allows someone to live for 18 years we expect them to repay their debt.

He owes this society about as much as the zoo animal owes the zoo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 22:35:40 No.129307 Report

Quoted By: >>129312 >>129314 >>129329 >>129414

>>129284
Nah I'm in Germany.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 22:46:55 No.129312 Report

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>>129307
Und wo genau?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 22:48:57 No.129314 Report

Quoted By: >>129331 >>132065

>>129307
Baden Württemberg, so ne halbe stunde von Stuttgart weg.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 23:02:25 No.129329 Report

Quoted By: >>129338

>>129307
I've heard that Europeans aren't allowed to go camping. Why is that? What's stopping you to do what we do: drive to the border of a state-owned forest, walk in, and several days later walk out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 23:04:30 No.129331 Report

Quoted By: >>129338

>>129314
Na Anon, wie wär's wenn wir uns in der Mitte treffen?
Schwäbische Alb, Nordrandweg, zu Fuß.

Ich hab die Karten hier liegen.

Captcha: tenicie conquest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 23:13:36 No.129338 Report

Quoted By: >>129339 >>129529

>>129329
Idk aren't there a shitload of laws against camping on that property let alone make a fire? The forests around here are pretty small I'm pretty sure someone would chase me out after half a day.

>>129331

Well I'm not really a hiker + 0 experience. I don't think I'd be much fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 23:15:16 No.129339 Report

Quoted By: >>129340

>>129338
>I just want to live in the wilderness /out/.
>Well I'm not really a hiker + 0 experience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 23:16:55 No.129340 Report

Quoted By: >>129356

>>129339
>Have this romantic notion of the great outdoors

I realize that its completely retarded. I'm not dumb. I just wanted to start small with maybe just a night out and back.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jun 2013 23:34:58 No.129356 Report

Quoted By: >>129548

>>129340
I don't have much experience either.
I don't think you are dumb.
I will presumably walk at least parts of Nordrandweg, starting on 23.9.
You can join, if you wish. You can drop out, if you wish.

Gute Nacht, Anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 01:27:50 No.129414 Report

Quoted By: >>129532

>>129307
Go to Sweden and do it. You are allowed to be anywhere as long as you don't go to close to privately owned houses. You may also camp for one day on the same spot on private land. it should be possible to make a more permanent settlement as well if head deep into the northern inland.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 04:18:09 No.129529 Report

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>>129338
> Aren't there a shitload of laws...?
Nope. They'll only ever come after you if it looks like you're setting up long term instead of just being on a camping trip. Our forests are damn big in certain places too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 04:19:46 No.129532 Report

Quoted By: >>129549 >>129662

>>129414
Hold on, it's legal to camp on someone's private property without their permission? What the hell, man?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 04:36:43 No.129548 Report

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>>129356
Südrandweg is a lot more beautiful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 04:37:19 No.129549 Report

Quoted By: >>129662

>>129532
The joys of socialism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 04:39:08 No.129552 Report

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>>129177
it's true.
most things in life get considerably better and easier if you start to seek out and talk to people that live the way you want to live. (and listen, too).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 04:46:09 No.129555 Report

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>>128328
The vocalist for the band Decrepit Birth lives in a shack in the woods of California and goes surfing everyday. Well except when he's touring. He's a homeless surfing death metal vocalist that grows his own shrooms and weed. He's awesome.

Alec Guinnes

Alec Guinnes Sun 02 Jun 2013 10:54:35 No.129662 Report

Quoted By: >>129675 >>130017

>>129532
>>129549
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam

It's much older than vapid concepts of capitalism and socialism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 11:37:22 No.129675 Report

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>>129662
thats so cool i had no idea this existed. it gives me so many cool ideas for a nordic vacation

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 11:58:25 No.129681 Report

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>>127676
Living by your self can get pretty boring op. I have my own house in a rural area and talk to the neighbour for the best part of a few minutes a year. It was all pretty cool at first but a few years in you realise its not the best to be like that all the time.

There was a time when I thought like you but that time has passed. I think you may have to experience it to appreciate the alternative however.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 12:49:57 No.129702 Report

Quoted By: >>130020

>>128324
>Let me guess, you've just watched Fight Club now you're having the existential crisis that always comes after watching it.

That happens? People have existential crisises because of Fight Club?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 14:24:02 No.129722 Report

Quoted By: >>130018

Here is my plan: get my degree in chemE, work for a few years, save all my money, and then set myself up however I want. I kind of have this dream of living on very large ship, but that would take quite a bit of capital...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 15:40:51 No.129772 Report

Quoted By: >>129785

Find a nice bus in the Alaskan wilderness to settle down in. But make sure you don't tell anyone where you're going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 15:57:15 No.129785 Report

Quoted By: >>129816

>>129772
good movie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 16:32:24 No.129803 Report

Quoted By:

Search up Dick Proenneke if you feel the way OP does.

I also want to live in a cabin by a water in the forrest. Fishing, picking berrys, cutting wood for the winter...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 17:05:14 No.129816 Report

Quoted By:

>>129785
A better book

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 18:01:02 No.129850 Report

Quoted By:

>>127696
North canada

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 20:58:27 No.130009 Report

Quoted By:

>>129299
Couldn't have said better myself. I recalled something though: the best prisoner is the one who thinks he's free.

Of what fucking 'debts to the society' are you talking about here, people? What debts? Did your mommies and daddies made you feel that way, that you "owe" them a sum, because they raised you? This is beyond me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 21:06:30 No.130017 Report

Quoted By: >>138682

>>129662
...Do you have to be a citizen? Would a travel/tourism visa be enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 21:10:00 No.130018 Report

Quoted By: >>130419 >>132122 >>132191 >>132860

>>129722
Work on an offshore oil rig for 6 years. Live like a hobo during your month off every year and you'll come out of the stretch with an absurd amount of money.

Oil rig working looks like good pay, but when you realize that room and board are comped 11 months out of the year, it's actually FANTASTIC money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 21:12:46 No.130020 Report

Quoted By:

>>129702
Teenagers who have never encountered the idea of rejecting materialism or anarchy before often start shouting about how Tyler Durden was right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 21:26:28 No.130029 Report

Quoted By: >>130032

>>129283

I didn't say my friend was living for fun. He works hard but his goal in life isn't to make millions. He lives in a tiny little house but it's in a gorgeous area. I'm just saying stuff like the climate that you live in can have a much bigger impact on your happiness level than the amount of money you make.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jun 2013 21:35:42 No.130032 Report

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>>130029
Happiness must not depend on where you live, in what weather or any other of that things. It must be a mindset that you keep inside your psyche. It grows from within, not from without. For some, it is very hard to reach with grey routine blocking their way. Living out doors, even if for a little while, might clear the heads of these folks and would enable them to create their fortress of happiness, inside their own very soul. Not their house, not their car or anything else of that matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 01:14:43 No.130132 Report

Quoted By:

>>128198
>McOuat built his "castle" single-handedly, beginning in 1903, and finally completing it in 1915.
>Jimmy McOuat drowned while netting fish in 1918. His grave is next to the Castle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 01:20:21 No.130138 Report

Quoted By:

>>127700
Solid advice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 05:05:15 No.130251 Report

Quoted By:

Sucks to hear about you euro's not able to enjoy an outdoor experience. My cabin is up in nortwest Ontario. When you go out for a few day trip in Crown Land (goverment woods/wilderness) you are basically more likely to encounter a bear than another person. I love the bush but even animals can become a real danger if you don't what youre doing (bears, wolves, coyotes, moose etc..)

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!osOqgKQ8WE Mon 03 Jun 2013 05:51:07 No.130273 Report

Quoted By: >>130278 >>135491

>>128069
>>128063
>>128060
>>127676
OP. Listen. This is the way to go.

Build an underground home. Now, I know that may seem a little ridiculous, as it does to most people, but like the guy in those long posts said, it can help keep the elements out quite well and it can also help a lot with secrecy and safety from the law, if you choose to live like this illegally (which I highly reccommend, due to the fact that you will not have to maintain a job while you live as a hermit). However, the problem of food and water arises quite quickly. If you are in an arid climate, water will be an issue you will constantly deal with even if you don't live as a hermit and are just trying to hike or camp. If you are in a rainy climate, you have more options. You can go out regularly for water from a stream, or you can go to nearby ponds, or you can try to store water somewhere in your house, say, the basement. Whatever the decision you make, you need to make sure that you are NEAR some sort of water source because if you *aren't*, you're gonna have a bad time. The next thing you need to think about is food. How will you get your food? Hunting takes a lot of time and energy and does not have a lot of reward to it, but it is probably the most sustainable, easiest, and easiest to keep secret method of retrieving susteinance from the land. In addition to hunting, you will have to live off of gathered wild edibles, for which you should buy a book. A man cannot live on meat alone. (1/?)

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!osOqgKQ8WE Mon 03 Jun 2013 05:56:11 No.130278 Report

Quoted By: >>130283

>>130273
(2/?) The next option you have is to grow and raise your own meat and plants. This option is much more difficult, requires more work over a longer period of time, and is MUCH harder to keep secret. If you selectively pick what you grow, raising chickens which have a high output of nutritious eggs and meat over a very short period of time, you can live in a pretty sustainable and comfortable manner. If you choose to raise something more difficult like goats, once again: you gonna have a bad time. On the topic of growing plants... this requires a great lot of space to grow any quantity of food that could possibly last you. This is going to be your main problem with living illegally: growing plants. Finding the right amount of space (probably multiple acres) is going to be hard while still keeping undercover from the rangers and the law (unless you are SERIOUSLY innawoods, which is not a good idea because you will have no safety net). Raising chickens and growing plants in your underground home is also not a good idea for a few reasons, the most obvious to the average joe being the lack of space. If you build an underground home, you will not want to build a very big one because that will require vastly more effort. However, more reasons would likely compell you to do these things in a close-by but seperate property, one of them being the lack of sunlight *underground*. You cannot grow plants without sunlight to facilitate photosynthesis. (2/?)

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!osOqgKQ8WE Mon 03 Jun 2013 06:01:16 No.130283 Report

Quoted By: >>130285

>>130278
For this reason, you will also have to find land where the sun shines to grow your plants. In addition, you will need to pick plants that grow well without a terrible lot of sunlight if you are planning in living in a forested area. If you live anywhere in the north, you should not have any issues with watering your crops as they should get sufficiently watered by the sky, however you might need to irrigate them manually for some periods of drought or the summer. Raising chickens will also need to be done in a separate location, particularly one where they will be safe from the elements and from wild animals. Also, if you raise chickens you will have to find a way to feed those chickens as well. For this, you will need to grow grains and other plants which take up a great lot of room to fuel your hungry chickens. Back on the topic of wild animals, you will need some sort of way to discourage wild animals from entering your home, or at the very least some sort of way to defend yourself and your home from beasts and bruins lurking in the dark. Bears going into hibernation for the winter in the fall often look for caves or sleepy hollows, so your underground home will look absolutely perfect to a stupid, slobbering behemoth crashing through branches and your front door. For this reason, you should always carry a gun on you. This should be obvious to you already. Stockpile ammunition. 3/?

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!osOqgKQ8WE Mon 03 Jun 2013 06:08:19 No.130285 Report

Quoted By: >>130287 >>132224 >>132257

>>130283
Another thing you should very definitely have in your home is a bow and arrows. In your travels and trials you may run out of ammunition for your firearm, or you may very well break or lose it in a tempest or torrent. Having a re-usable method of killing things is always a good decision to make. Lastly, you will need to learn (first) how to properly build an underground home. I have researched HEAVILY into how to do this and I plan to do this very soon near my home in the woods. Your main concern is collapses and moisture causing the walls to cave in and the roof to fall down. Your first instinct, as most people's is, is to simply dig straight into a steep hillside and hollow out a cave. For obvious reasons, this is not a good idea. This leaves a great amount of earth above your head, which is also un-supported. Just because engineers can accomplish it doesn't mean you can accomplish it, and you're definitely not going to be lugging cinderblocks and concrete miles and miles into the bush. Instead, you will need to THOROUGHLY plan, engineer, design, and build carefully a masterful underground shelter which will protect you from the elements, but will also not become an element in and of itself.

For more information on how to build an underground home, you should DEFINITELY read the book "the fifty dollar and up underground house book" by Mike Oehler. It will teach you properly how to build an underground home. It's on TPB I think.

Happy trails and good luck!

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!osOqgKQ8WE Mon 03 Jun 2013 06:09:49 No.130287 Report

Quoted By: >>130386

>>130285
Oh one more thing, you should watch the video here. It's very inspiring and will definitely give you some ideas.
You can also look at his website, which is in the description. This should give you a good feeling for how to live illegally in the woods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ONLyd2gmV8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 12:13:29 No.130386 Report

Quoted By: >>130396

>>130287
Anyone recognize the mountain range at 3:00?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 13:07:06 No.130396 Report

Quoted By: >>130398

>>130386
The video is titled "The HemLoft - a secret treehouse, hiding in the woods of Whistler"

Google tells me that Whistler is a town in BC, so the mountains would be the Canadian Rockies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 13:22:40 No.130398 Report

Quoted By:

>>130396
Yes but if someone recognizes that actual range we could roughly extrapolate his location based on the size of the mountains and leaves in the picture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 14:00:41 No.130401 Report

Quoted By:

>>128107
>I get all the solitude I need in my house

Why are you here then?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 14:05:14 No.130402 Report

Quoted By:

>>129247

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 14:09:45 No.130403 Report

Quoted By:

>>127676
are you me?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 14:16:12 No.130404 Report

Quoted By:

>>129247
>we expect them to repay their debt.
>we

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 15:24:09 No.130419 Report

Quoted By: >>132068

>>130018
I second this. Best thing I ever did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 17:00:47 No.130464 Report

Quoted By:

1. Go to the woods
2. Find a cabin
3. make sure nobody finds you
4. ?????
E. Profit!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 17:02:25 No.130465 Report

Quoted By:

>>127692
make it attractive for women
but if the thing was built by hippies, forget about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Jun 2013 20:52:51 No.130604 Report

Quoted By: >>130631

There's a lot of solid advice in this thread but the best has been that OP has a romanticized notion of leaving everything behind but the actual logistics of doing so make it pretty much impossible to pull off. Cheer up OP. Enjoy coll, er, uni. You're just experiencing typical late teens ennui.

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!osOqgKQ8WE Mon 03 Jun 2013 21:28:01 No.130631 Report

Quoted By:

>>130604
>ennui
Best word

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 11:24:35 No.131152 Report

Quoted By: >>131190 >>131956

>>127676

I was there.
My friends thought I was crazy and were worried and sad about me.
My relatives felt I betrayed them and were worried and sad and mad at me.
I lost a year of my life and lost my health.
I lost a lot of money.
I lost two years going back to my old life, as I had to start low at the job market and I couldnt resume my education from where I left off.
I lost every one of my old friends as they couldnt look at me the same way again.
I am still to make up with my parents.

Grass is always greener on the other side.I can tell you about my life in the wilderness. BOREDOM. Nothing else damaged me as much as boredom. So much stuff I had to keep doing, the routine of surviving, but I didnt want to do it and I felt bored all the time.
This depressed me and from this I lost my health.

Keep wilderness life a hobby that you go to at the weekends, I recommend.
I do not recommend going full on native. Once you had the "good life" you will be amazed how empty and dull a simple life is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 11:30:39 No.131155 Report

Quoted By: >>131197

>>128060
>Make ABSOLUTELY SURE you have water and stump rights to your land, because that is NOT guaranteed. There are a lot of scenarios where you buy a plot of land but you don't have the right to collect rainwater or cut down trees.

Dammit murrika.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 11:34:29 No.131156 Report

Quoted By:

>>128299
>Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Be alive only on the weekends.

And if you are living in the wild alone its
>Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. Work. Eat. Sleep. No weekends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 11:38:50 No.131160 Report

Quoted By:

>>128071
lol I dont live in suburbia you just need to move out in the boonies to get what you want. Not much interaction if you dont want it and still have perks of not being a hobo

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PrettyLittleHammers !hJurQj6z/s Tue 04 Jun 2013 12:45:23 No.131190 Report

Quoted By: >>131204

>>131152
Please go on.

if true, this should go down in /out/ history

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 13:24:58 No.131196 Report

Quoted By:

>>128200
>lets others do what they want
>2013
>most people are dumb as fuck
if it was that way there would be no outdoors left to camp in

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 13:26:31 No.131197 Report

Quoted By:

>>131155
make sure you can legally collect water on your property

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 13:33:15 No.131200 Report

Quoted By: >>131202 >>131204 >>133768

>>128248
Not OP but I'm 26 and I want to get as far away from my parents as possible because they really are just not healthy to be around, especially my mother. She's infinitely angry and won't let me live my life. And my good friends and I have just changed and grown apart. I just need a reset button. I guess what I'm saying is that these things are not always signs of teenage angst.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 13:42:48 No.131202 Report

Quoted By: >>131208

>>131200
Well you're 26, apply to jobs out of state.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 13:45:13 No.131204 Report

Quoted By: >>131208

>>131200
I would be "angry" too if my son wouldnt talk to me.

>>131190
Nothing else to add.
I thought I want the simple life and I found out that I actually dont.
Living in the wild is boring and dull.
Some anon before me used the word ennui, its a good description.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 13:51:36 No.131208 Report

Quoted By: >>131716

>>131202
I did actually. I have an interview at an extended stay hotel in Tennessee. They provide a room if you work there. Going to save up and work my way out to Oregon.

>>131204
She's been that way my whole life. It has nothing to do with me. She's just a vortex of negativity... everything just gets sucked in and destroyed. It's not just me either. She has alienated everyone around her and only has her four dogs and me to keep her company, and the only thing I do when I'm there is clean up after her because she lives like a hoarder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 14:35:04 No.131223 Report

Quoted By: >>131264

>buy a .22
>buy some other crap life a few knives, and axe, some warm clothes, bivvy, etc
>wander as far out into the wilderness as you can, staying near a river
>proceed to be alone
You will get depressed OP and realize you need other people.

It will probably be good for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 15:45:12 No.131264 Report

Quoted By:

>>131223
>You will get depressed OP and realize you need other people.
not everyone is an inlier faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Jun 2013 16:13:08 No.131279 Report

Quoted By:

I know that feel very well.
But I'm going to complete trade school before anything of that.

When it comes to food, I doubt you can be a hunter-gatherer today, the nature is affected by the cities, there's less resources (wild animals, plants) than there has even been before.

You would probably need to steal like a jackass, or find some other way to get food.
I've given up on the idealized hunter-gatherer life, it is gone.

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!osOqgKQ8WE Wed 05 Jun 2013 00:59:49 No.131716 Report

Quoted By:

>>131208
You're wanting to come to Oregon!?

Nice choice. I live here in Oregon, and there's a reason I love it so much. The wilderness is awesome, and so is the state. I think if you DO make it here, you'll like it a lot.

sage

sage Wed 05 Jun 2013 10:53:55 No.131956 Report

Quoted By:

>>131152
Damn man. Did you write about this any where? You should pastebin it for us to read. Sounds interesting as shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 15:28:57 No.132035 Report

Quoted By:

this thread is so depressing

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 16:10:48 No.132065 Report

Quoted By:

>>129314
Tübingenbro?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 16:12:48 No.132068 Report

Quoted By: >>132457

>>130419
Any info on this? I'm considering applying atm, and would like an insider's opinion. Shoot me an e-mail if you like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 17:24:21 No.132122 Report

Quoted By:

>>130018
What's the catch? How physical is the job? Do they accept skinny nerds?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 17:37:02 No.132139 Report

Quoted By:

>>127700
Listen to this guy. A long hike will put your life into perspective. And you'll learn whether you really want this or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 18:25:07 No.132191 Report

Quoted By:

>>130018
My dad worked on one in Alaska and he said that they fed them the best food he has ever had. It was mostly seafood but all of the expensive stuff and as much as you could eat. He said they had king crab, other crab, lobster, oysters, different fish and other things that are ridiculous too buy. He said it was one of the best jobs he has ever had.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 18:45:58 No.132224 Report

Quoted By: >>132459

>>130285
I got a good laugh out of the table of contents on the book you mentioned.

>Chapter 8 You and the Building Codes
>Moving to an Area Which Has No Building Codes

I like this book already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 19:15:56 No.132248 Report

Quoted By: >>132266 >>132413

>>127676
whatever you do DO NOT bring a gun with you. You don't need it, nobody does.

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Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 19:22:27 No.132257 Report

Quoted By: >>132460

>>130285
>"the fifty dollar and up underground house book"

>I got this huge amount of lumber for free from my friend
>I found this sink at the dump
>I got these windows for free
>I salvaged this insulation from my friend's home demolition
>etc. etc. etc. got 90% of the materials for free
>bought this pipe for 50 bucks

TA-DA! 50 DOLLAR HOUSE EVERYBODY

>yfw you read the part about the bears

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Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 19:35:03 No.132266 Report

Quoted By:

>>132248
The ghosts of frontier settlers would like to have a word with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Jun 2013 22:12:05 No.132413 Report

Quoted By:

>>132248
Piss off back to reddit.

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!osOqgKQ8WE Wed 05 Jun 2013 22:53:01 No.132457 Report

Quoted By: >>132898

>>132068
>4chan.island
Were you one of those people who was going to buy an island and live on it with other 4channers
Because I was too, at one point

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!osOqgKQ8WE Wed 05 Jun 2013 22:53:58 No.132459 Report

Quoted By:

>>132224
Yeah.

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!osOqgKQ8WE Wed 05 Jun 2013 22:55:01 No.132460 Report

Quoted By:

>>132257
I think that most of the 50 bucks was building materials, but you actually could build it completely for free which I probably will some day

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 07:18:53 No.132860 Report

Quoted By: >>132879

>>130018

So ... uh... is there internet there?
Thats kind of a deal breaker for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 07:34:10 No.132879 Report

Quoted By: >>132899

>>132860
they have satellite internet. So as long as you are okay with not playing video games online you're fine. Also with not getting your own room.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 07:54:44 No.132898 Report

Quoted By:

>>132457
Yes, but the idea apparently died after 2 e-mails back and forth - like most organisations started on 4chan. Now it's just my latest spam-catcher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 07:57:27 No.132899 Report

Quoted By: >>132912 >>133357

>>132879
What kind of job did you do?
And is it as bad as it sounds?
(I'm imagining it like a mixture of jail, the beginning of "The Grey", and a gay sauna.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 08:29:06 No.132912 Report

Quoted By:

>>132899
I'm not the original guy in the thread, but my cousin works on an oil rig. He's pretty happy with it. He's got a wife and two kids who live about two hours inland from the coast, and he's gone from them a lot, but he makes really good money for a guy with no real other skills.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 09:32:17 No.132943 Report

Quoted By: >>132965

Fishing is also a good gig; you can make six figures crabbing for three or four months and depending on how much you want to work each year you can easily double that between all of the other seasons.

Of course that means intense stress, constant danger and long hours of arduous work throughout the entire year, but hey. Money. Some guys bust their ass for a couple of years, invest that money and then more-or-less kick back for the rest of their lives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 10:12:11 No.132965 Report

Quoted By: >>132967

>>132943
Six figures fishing in 3 months? You sure?
Six figures with a 5 in front would be enough to set me up for life (that'll net about $20k in interest, then I'd just have to work if I want more than the basics).

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 10:18:45 No.132967 Report

Quoted By: >>132981

>>132965
After a while and during a good year, yeah. It's a competitive gig; guys that know the ins and outs and have proven their worth get paid really well because the better everyone works the more money is made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 10:19:54 No.132968 Report

Quoted By: >>133362

>>127676
Move to montana, problem solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 10:21:40 No.132970 Report

Quoted By:

>go to place where no one can find you
>build cabin

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 11:13:30 No.132981 Report

Quoted By:

>>132967
>good year
>any year past 1970
pick one

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 20:46:28 No.133357 Report

Quoted By: >>133364 >>133369

>>132899
It's less like jail and more like the Army. Work your shift, eat, watch tv, play vidya, etc. Not a lot of fucking.

Then one month of the year you leave the rig with a fortune in your pocket. A lot of guys blow $80,000 in that one month. Hookers, top shelf liquor, five star hotels, buying cars, more hookers, gambling, drugs, buying cars for hookers, you name it. They come back to the rig penniless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 20:56:22 No.133362 Report

Quoted By:

>>132968
Montana, Idaho, Alaska, North Dakota, even Washington or Oregon if you stay away from the coast. Beautiful, plentiful land, crime rates that may as well be zero, close to total freedom on your land. Cops don't bother you about anything because there's no-one around to call and complain.

Neighbors are something that happen to people who don't live north of Colorado.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 20:58:49 No.133364 Report

Quoted By:

>>133357
My plan is to live frugally and just relax in my time off, and buy some land in British Columbia after a year or two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 21:06:43 No.133369 Report

Quoted By: >>133372 >>133393

>>133357
How do you get an oil rig job?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 21:09:26 No.133372 Report

Quoted By: >>133373 >>133395

>>133369
Chemical engineering degree from a school that doesn't suck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 21:11:06 No.133373 Report

Quoted By: >>133388 >>133416

>>133372
Even the grunt jobs need engineering degrees? Damn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 21:25:58 No.133388 Report

Quoted By:

>>133373
A grunt job at Starbucks needs an engineering degree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 21:28:02 No.133393 Report

Quoted By: >>133422

>>133369
I won't tell you how to apply for a job, but if you're young, able-bodied and willing to relocate, and send out enough applications, your chances are literally 100%.

Look up what roustabout means. And realize that if you've got the right work ethic, everything you need to climb the ladder will be taught to you on the job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 21:31:13 No.133395 Report

Quoted By: >>133441

>>133372
this is incorrect. you need literally nothing except what the company will teach you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 22:06:22 No.133416 Report

Quoted By: >>133422

>>133373
He's wrong, you just need a strong body and a good work ethic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 22:15:40 No.133422 Report

Quoted By: >>133429

>>133393
>>133416
Strong body = healthy or strong body = /fit/-tier?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 22:32:26 No.133429 Report

Quoted By: >>133745

>>133422
able to lift 25kg repeatedly during a 12 hour shift

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 22:48:31 No.133441 Report

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>>133395
This. The degrees are worth about as much as the shit paper in your bathroom.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Jun 2013 23:09:38 No.133454 Report

Quoted By: >>133648

It depends. If you live in Canada, you need to buy or lease crown land. And you have 2 years to do something with it. You also need to take water, firewood, (or oil stove) and food into consideration. Believe it or not, owning a cabin costs money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 02:57:12 No.133648 Report

Quoted By: >>133675 >>133746

>>133454
>And you have 2 years to do something with it
What's this supposed to mean? In America, once you buy the land, it's yours. What you do or don't do is entirely up to you, and Uncle Sam doesn't give a fuck as long as you pay taxes and don't make drugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 04:12:39 No.133675 Report

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>>133648
Well the Candians get the better deal, because the land you can buy from the Canadian government is dirt fucking cheap. The catch of building on it within two years is to keep people from gaming the system by buying up huge amounts of cheap land and just sitting on it for 50 years until some town grows into it and then selling it for big profits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 07:18:04 No.133745 Report

Quoted By: >>133770 >>134017

>>133429

I am 170 cm and 70 kg of skin and bones and I can do that.
And before smart asses come along, I've actually been doing it for a while, loading bags of cement (25kg) into trucks. Its a 20-30 meter walk from where they are piled to the truck, and a few stair steps too.

This is a rather low requirement.
Any person between 15 and 45 who isnt suffering from his health should be able to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 07:19:58 No.133746 Report

Quoted By:

>>133648
>In America, once you buy the land, it's yours.

No, in America, once you buy the land you continue to pay rent for it because its not yours.
And the more you do with that land, the more rent you have to pay.

Instead, in Canada the more you do with that land, the less you have to pay.
Put a few apples in the ground, make a dog house, dig a well and its considered a settlement and a farmland.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 08:06:52 No.133768 Report

Quoted By: >>133776

>>131200
>I just need a reset button.

right in the fucking feels
im 28 and damn do i need a reset

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 08:20:13 No.133770 Report

Quoted By: >>133795

>>133745
>This is a rather low requirement.
It's about the hardest requirement that's allowed in democratic countries. Keep in mind, you'll do this 12 hours every day for weeks, on a tight schedule.

>Any person between 15 and 45 who isnt suffering from his health should be able to do it.
You're obviously not American. Or older than 25.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 08:24:36 No.133776 Report

Quoted By: >>133779 >>133784

>>133768
I'm 29.
I just hit the reset button:
>visited my parents and told those eco-hippies that I'm going to look for work on an oil rig. They told me to do what I want and not to expect support.
>quit smoking, fapping and drinking daily, reduced coffee and started exercising again.
>go outside to meet people every day.

Let's see how this works out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 08:29:02 No.133779 Report

Quoted By:

>>133776
god speed anon, god speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 08:30:20 No.133780 Report

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>>>/pol/15238174

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 08:40:00 No.133784 Report

Quoted By:

>>133776
good luck! My cousin who works on the oil rigs didn't start until he was 29 also. Before that he was pretty aimless and went from crappy job to crappy job. Now he's been doing this oil rig stuff for 10 years i think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 09:01:41 No.133795 Report

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>>133770

I am exactly 25 and this person is obviously suffering from health related issues.
When your tits are wider than your shoulders you are having problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 07 Jun 2013 15:34:51 No.134017 Report

Quoted By:

>>133745
12 hours a day, 7 days a week.
No. Not everyone can do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 09 Jun 2013 21:27:48 No.135491 Report

Quoted By: >>136539

>>130273

Advantages of hobbit houses simplified:

1. the eye automatically focuses in on man-made structures, so an above-ground home WILL be spotted eventually, Hobbit houses are harder to spot, especially in hilly/mountainous/uneven terrain

2. they're cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter
And you don't have to dig a hole in the ground to make one. Make one on a hillside, small cliff, or some other uneven area, and cover it with dirt and local aggregate while transplanting local grass and foliage on top of it.

And the best way to grow crops is to look like there is no farming going on, so randomly disburse them over a large area to let them mix in with local greenery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jun 2013 02:10:28 No.136414 Report

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>>128061
>>128070
same.

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Anonymous Tue 11 Jun 2013 05:20:20 No.136539 Report

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>>135491
I just realized I have the perfect spot by the sea for this to be done. I get the lot for free, and the surrounding area is full of oak trees for building material. Why have I not done this already?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jun 2013 05:53:13 No.136565 Report

Quoted By:

>>129168
Why not? I'm planning a lone 1-3 day trip. No obsticals yet other than not being able to bring my gun.

sage

sage Tue 11 Jun 2013 13:32:29 No.136698 Report

Quoted By: >>136748 >>136813

>>127676
Here is a brief list of food I would bring:
* 10kg Beef jerky
* Multivitamins
* 400 lbs. Grains (17.5oz / day)
* 60 lbs. Beans (2.6oz / day)
* 10 quarts Cooking oil (0.87oz / day)
* 60 lbs. Honey (2.63oz / day)
* 8 lbs. Salt (0.35oz / day)
* 16 lbs Powdered milk (0.70oz / day

I'm sure you can think of other stuff to bring too. That is 1 YEARS worth of food. If you buy in bulk it will cost virtually nothing. Now as for general purpose gear here is a brief list of stuff I would bring:

Food:
* Sling bands
* Bow + quiver + spare bow strings and limbs
* Arrows
* darts
* fishing gear
* fishing line
* trip wire for snares
* 550 paracord
* 5 general purpose knives with sharpening stone
* seeds to grow crops
* guns + plenty of ammunition
* pots + pants for cooking. dutch ovens will work well
* throw in a stove if you're feeling fancy

Water:
* sawyer squeeze water filter
* 40 oz kleen kanteen classic for boiling water
* 20 liter swiss water bladder

Fire:
* flint & steel
* manesium fire starter
* matches
* lighters
* magnifying glass

Shelter
* Tent or hammock - pick one
* sleeping bag rated to your conditions
* down mat
* pillow

Misc
* compass
* gps
* maps
* radio
* mobile or satellite phone
* first aide kit
* head lamp
* kevlar thread + needs
* u.s survival manual + book on wild edible plants
* emergency blanket
* axe
* machette
* poncho
* brush for cleaning clothes
* money + ids
* tarp
* trowel
* mirror
* whistle
* duct tape
* bag ties

Clothing:
* hat
* bandanna
* plague doctor mask
* uv filtering sunglasses
* damascus gloves
* backpack
* non-shit boots
* 100 pairs of socks with foot powder

sage

sage Tue 11 Jun 2013 15:37:58 No.136748 Report

Quoted By:

>>136698
and one last thing OP:
http://www.findmespot.net.au/SPOT-GPS-Messenger.html
^ This device could save your life in the wilderness. I believe it's the exact same model that was used in the documentary series Alone In The Wild. You could also look at that new GPS system out posted recently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jun 2013 15:39:38 No.136751 Report

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Opps, I didn't mean to sage. Here's that survival GPS I mentioned before: http://www.meetearl.com/
Looks like this thing is really going to kick ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jun 2013 16:51:06 No.136783 Report

Quoted By:

>>128060
>Maine
>warm
You know nothing, Jon Sneauh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 11 Jun 2013 17:06:39 No.136793 Report

Quoted By: >>137652

>>127692
i would date you

Rumblo

Rumblo Tue 11 Jun 2013 17:35:32 No.136813 Report

Quoted By:

>>136698
Lost my shit at plauge doctor mask and 100 pairs of socks, also, that is an absurd amount to bting without making multiple trips.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 20:12:32 No.137556 Report

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>>127692
Are you joking, plenty of hippie chicks would be into that living situation. You even have electricity. Why haven't you moved in yet?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 20:16:47 No.137562 Report

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>>127676
that's called isolation mixed with depression

everyone has this dream but limit yourself and get a cabin for the summer
moralfag tip: life comes with surprises

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 20:28:32 No.137563 Report

Quoted By:

>>128010
Lol'd a lot harder than I should have.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 20:37:57 No.137568 Report

Quoted By:

>>127676
Have you considered looking to drugs or alcohol to solve your problems?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 20:55:06 No.137573 Report

Quoted By:

>>128198
That's fucking amazing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 12 Jun 2013 23:09:18 No.137652 Report

Quoted By:

>>136793
Are you in Germany?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2013 00:04:54 No.138531 Report

Quoted By:

>>127696
guess what?
the whole world is under the control of one social compact or another
>tfw there is no unclaimed unmapped land left
>tfw you will never be free of society

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 14 Jun 2013 03:06:18 No.138682 Report

Quoted By:

>>130017
You dont need anything to camp wherever you want. Just dont leave anything behind.

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