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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:19:34 No.1322635 View View Reply Original Report

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>The world’s richest regions, such as North America and Europe, are not only increasing their forest area. They have more forests than they did prior to industrialization. The United Kingdom, for example, has more than tripled its forest area since 1919. The UK will soon reach forest levels equal to those registered in the Domesday Book, almost a thousand years ago.

How does this make you feel, /out/?
For me it is some of the most comfy news I heard in a long time.

https://humanprogress.org/article.php?p=1295

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:22:29 No.1322636 Report

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God that is relieving. Gives me some hope.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 14:27:50 No.1322638 Report

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>>1322636
We are living in the prime time of /out/ and it will only get better in the future.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 15:17:01 No.1322662 Report

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>>1322635
Sounds good, but I doubt it, news lie all the time. I think it's the opposite. More worrying, we're losing most important eco-systems in the world, like Amazona, african rainforests and jungles in SEA. If europe and north america are reforesting the land, it will be for industrial use at best...I doubt they plan to reintroduce animals and create wild areas

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 16:01:56 No.1322695 Report

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>>1322662
Mainstream news is actually saying we are losing forests. Here are the proper source material for the UK stats,
https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/documents/5189/WAPR2018_sUui5YW.pdf

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 16:44:46 No.1322718 Report

Quoted By: >>1325585

>>1322635
Last time I heard, our forests increased to about 60% of all land in the country which is quite good, although it's also related to the abandonment of many agricultural surfaces which may not be as positive of a trend.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 16:53:31 No.1322724 Report

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>>1322662
I'm all for keeping forests. But, western countries trying to force developing countries to remain heavily forested is hilarious. Like yeah cool, we cut down all our forests hundreds/thousands of years ago(Europe) so we have access to millions of hectares of cleared land to have a massive agricultural industry, but fuck me let's not let the poor fuckin jungle dwellors get any ag industry of their own so they can stop importing our expensive food and start growing their own.
How about for every tree that's cut down in Brazil/SEA we get the UN to plant one in America/Europe until the forested-cleared areas evenly distributed.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:02:47 No.1322727 Report

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>>1322724
The Amazon jungle is irreplaceable, planting trees somewhere else would most certainly not compare to the Amazonian old growth, as well as all the animal and plant species associated with the jungle itself.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:05:07 No.1322728 Report

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>>1322635
Ecosystems are still fucked due to fragmentation, pollution and - mostly in Europe - lack of predators. Look up Oostvaardersplassen for example. Sizeable 'recreated wilderness' type area in the Netherlands where each year thousands of large grazing mammals die of starvation in winter because space is limited while there's nothing keeping their numbers in check.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:22:08 No.1322740 Report

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>>1322635

Glad you're appreciating the work Anon. It should have been done a long time ago in the UK after the first and second world wars saw the forestry raided.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:25:05 No.1322743 Report

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>>1322728

That place is a conservation fuck up. They didn't even need to introduce predators, they just needed to allow managed hunting.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:38:38 No.1322750 Report

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>>1322724
My developing country has enough land to export agricultural products to its neighbors despite being one of the most forested in Europe, on top of that we have large tracts of land that used to be fields just sitting there undeveloped.
Africa isn't going hungry either unless it's somewhere where there is a civil war. Forests are being cut down to make furniture and other crap AFAIK.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 17:54:09 No.1322760 Report

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>>1322728
OP here. I'm Dutch and the Oostvaardersplassen is not representative of 'recreated nature' at all since it's fenced and the animals there are non-native species

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 18:03:54 No.1322766 Report

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>>1322662
That's true. The Amazon should definitely be preserved.
But whatever happens we can still larp innawoods in our motherland EVROPA

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 18:25:52 No.1322781 Report

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>>1322635
It's misleading. Especially in regards the UK.
It's not natural forest. It's forestry plantation.
Almost exclusively conifer such as Norwegian spruce.
Look at the amount of natural woodland in the UK. It's shockingly low. Something like only 2% of total wooded areas.
I'm also extremely dubious that woodland levels are at doomeday levels. Boreal forest used to cover 80% of scotland. Now only 1%.
I can only imagine they've reached this conclusion based on the number of trees. These forestry plantations are densely packed.

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 20:53:57 No.1322883 Report

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>>1322781
That could impossible put a significant dent in the stats. Besides, how does one count individual trees?

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Anonymous Mon 23 Jul 2018 20:55:57 No.1322886 Report

Quoted By: >>1323255

How much of it is just forest planted by lumber companies for future harvesting?

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jul 2018 04:36:23 No.1323255 Report

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>>1322886
The vast majority of all commercial timberland in the US is owned by private landowners.

Back in the day companies used to own it, but taxes made it so it was cheaper to sell the land off and let individuals pay the taxes. The flip side is now forest products companies must compete much more for lumber to feed their mills, since they must navigate a large market vs having all their timber production internalized.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jul 2018 04:53:42 No.1323262 Report

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>>1322635
Bullshit. These forests are all shit fucking useless trees. The wh*tes cut down all the old growth thousand year forests and replaced it with autistic seedlings.

Lots of trees != True magical forest with thousands of years of history and old growth.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jul 2018 05:43:44 No.1323300 Report

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>>1322638
No we are not, history was comfy

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jul 2018 17:26:43 No.1323623 Report

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>UK
>forests
>wilderness

lol

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jul 2018 20:48:13 No.1323807 Report

Quoted By: >>1332026 >>1334534

>>1322781
Cumbria here. The spruce is being rapidly removed and replaced with native species like ash and rowan.
This, as OP suggested, is all to do with economics; the spruce is a legacy of the early 20th century, when fast-growing species were needed for industrial use.
Now that the UK forestry industry has seen a decline in demand, the emphasis has turned towards environmental restoration.
Local news source: https://www.cumbriacrack.com/2017/06/06/4000-native-trees-planted-high-borrowdale/amp/

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jul 2018 22:11:48 No.1323879 Report

Quoted By: >>1324046

I'm sceptical for the same reasons already outlined by others ITT.
>The United Kingdom, for example, has more than tripled its forest area since 1919.
With Forestry Commission Plantations, yes. Which lack biodiversity and are almost devoid of fauna. The UK used to be one of the most heavily forested areas of Europe, we are now one of the least. Hardly inspiring news. Any Native deciduous forest we have remaining is sparsely dotted about in tiny little pockets.

It's also a quality issue as well I think. For example, even the USA which has loads of large forested areas isn't exactly that great for it since the vast majority of it is 2nd or 3rd growth forest. Very little of the old growth forest is still intact. An old growth forest ecosystem has a completely different character and makeup to a young mid succession forest. It takes something like 500 years or more for it to naturally attain that state again.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jul 2018 22:16:09 No.1323885 Report

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>>1322638
too many people still.

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Anonymous Tue 24 Jul 2018 22:22:32 No.1323890 Report

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>>1323885
>inb4 the flawed every single person can fit into the state of Texas argument without taking into consideration the space needed for housing, infrastructure and agriculture to support such a population nor considering the cumulative environmental impact they have

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Anonymous Wed 25 Jul 2018 00:17:12 No.1323999 Report

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>>1322724
It's like playing civ 5 and the rng places you in the middle of the fuckig Amazons, you have nobody to blame and nobody can help you and you can't even make a fucking farm until researching bronze working 10 turns later.

It's just RNG man, too bad

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Anonymous Wed 25 Jul 2018 00:52:25 No.1324046 Report

Quoted By: >>1324069

>>1323879
bull shit.
all trees reach their end of life.
old growth do nothing for global warming and donot produce mast.
the rate at which young growth trees sequester co2 is 10x more than an old growth tree that grows 1/2 inch a year and 1/64" diameter.
also at a certain age trees no longer reproduce from seed, the base of the food chain.
the only reason they are old growth is because they are on the best sites for growing, these site should be given to the younger and more vigorous trees.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Jul 2018 01:16:40 No.1324069 Report

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>>1324046
You're ignoring gap dynamics and succession. Old growth forests contain a mix of ruderals/pioneer species, mid-succession and climax species. There's a biological diversity there and certain processes happening that simply doesn't exist in secondary forests. Not to mention the soil is a lot more fertile and Mycorrhizal Fungi more proliific. Not really sure how you're arguing that old growth forests are a bad thing.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Jul 2018 01:41:52 No.1324101 Report

Quoted By: >>1325369

>the only reason they are old growth is because they are on the best sites for growing
I'd also like to add you've got this backwards. They're the best sites for growing BECAUSE they are old growth, not the other way around. Take the Amazon for example. They see really rich fertile almost black soil and so clear cut the forest for palm oil plantations. Within a few years the site is pretty much barren and has lost all of it's nutrients and productivity. It's precisely the processes that go on in the forest that create these conditions in the first place. The nutrient cycling and the leaf litter decomposing into new top soil all facilitated by the the Mycorrhiza, Nematodes, Mites, Spiders, Worms, Beetles and other organisms that live in and around the soil. The increased biodiversity in old growth make them a much healthier ecosystem than second growth forests and support a greater number of niches.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Jul 2018 07:47:58 No.1324380 Report

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keep in mind that a lot of the land in the US is desert.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Jul 2018 18:05:59 No.1324795 Report

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>>1322638
Idk, there is also a massive increase in the number of people who want to go out. National parks are all having record attendance every year and finding wilderness that isn't full of people is getting harder and harder. Dispersed sites I've been going to since I was a kid are getting crowded

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Anonymous Wed 25 Jul 2018 18:21:26 No.1324804 Report

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>>1324795
Open borders are great. Forest rapefugees welcome

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Anonymous Wed 25 Jul 2018 18:29:03 No.1324808 Report

Quoted By: >>1325344

>>1322635
The American west in certain places has more forest cover than it would have in pre European contact. This is because poor fire management techniques are preventing the brushfires that would have normally occurred every decade or so. There are forests now in places where there were formerly grasslands or prairies and not very productive ones at that. More tree cover isnt a good thing in every circumstance. England, yeah. But Eastern Washington? Not so much.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 03:33:48 No.1325344 Report

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>>1324808
forest fires are natural and help the forest. low intensity fires that clear the build up of debris help prevent large more intense fires, with fire suppression when a fire hits it becomes big.
the real reason for more forests is the hunting practices of primitive people, they would burn down the forest to chase animals out. the effects of this can be seen in Australia and Shara desert

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 04:15:50 No.1325357 Report

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>>1324795
>>1324804
Might need to move, I live in Southern Louisiana and i've seen kind of a decrease of people, very hard to go somewhere and have a lot of people

Well you also have to have a boat to get to anything worthwhile so idk

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 04:24:44 No.1325362 Report

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We need to stop China, India, and Africa from destroying the world.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 04:31:13 No.1325369 Report

Quoted By: >>1325373 >>1325575

>>1324101
>They're the best sites for growing BECAUSE they are old growth, not the other way around. Take the Amazon for example. They see really rich fertile almost black soil and so clear cut the forest for palm oil plantations. Within a few years the site is pretty much barren and has lost all of it's nutrients and productivity.

So what you're saying is that Old Growth forests are entirely useless to humans for anything except recreation because the minute you try to make use of all the benefits they bring to soil conditions those conditions then dry up and vanish?

No wonder nobody gives a shit about them.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 04:40:54 No.1325372 Report

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>>1322635
>They have more forests than they did prior to industrialization
Thats' because most of the people from UK during industrial revolution left UK. It took two extra continents just to house the the extra people from Europe's population explosion.
Considering it took UK 80 years for birth rate and death rate to level off and it took india 20 years, if everyone in UK stayed in UK it would have much worse than india.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 04:42:35 No.1325373 Report

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>>1325369
It's a living organism. Why would you need to have use for it? It sure has a use for itself.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 05:41:14 No.1325399 Report

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>>1325373
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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:11:45 No.1325412 Report

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>>1325373
Not convincing anyone who has to pay property taxes on that shit to just let it sit and "be nature."

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:15:55 No.1325414 Report

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Fuck the forest all dirtys ass junky looking shit full of tweakers rather have a Mikey ds or cum n go

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:22:05 No.1325419 Report

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>>1322635
All old world growth has been chopped up besides the Sequoias and Redwoods. Most trees in the woods are extremely young.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:32:14 No.1325424 Report

Quoted By: >>1325428

>>1325412
Forest isn't something that can be private property.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:39:03 No.1325428 Report

Quoted By: >>1325431

>>1325424
>Own land
>Oh hey there's a bunch of trees
What am I missing anon.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:42:57 No.1325431 Report

Quoted By: >>1325435

>>1325428
>own a house
>oh hey there's bunch of hookers lol
Thus i have proven that pimping can't be illegal.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:50:15 No.1325435 Report

Quoted By: >>1325437 >>1334441

>>1325431
So do trees own themselves? When you buy land, do the trees come separate?
This just goes back to the original point being made. People want to be able to do what they like with the land they own.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:57:07 No.1325437 Report

Quoted By: >>1325438

>>1325435
Not so long ago people wanted to be able to do what they liked with the slaves they owned. Private properly isn't some kind of indisputable law of nature.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 06:57:37 No.1325438 Report

Quoted By: >>1325440

>>1325437
You keep comparing trees to people.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 07:07:12 No.1325440 Report

Quoted By: >>1325446

>>1325438
Every form of life has the same base value. It isn't about how sentient or "advanced" it is compared to others, it's about how it's balanced. It's the collective that matters, not the individual.
Right now human population is hardly anything more than pests and that roadkill frog i saw some days back was worth more than any single human on this planet.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 07:16:59 No.1325446 Report

Quoted By: >>1325457

>>1325440
Every form of life lives to compete. To survive and thrive is the name of the game. Is there any justification for not holding nature to its own standard?

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 07:27:38 No.1325457 Report

Quoted By: >>1325458

>>1325446
Sure it does. People of Easter Island outcompeted -everything- there was. And then they all starved to death or murdered each others.
The thing that separates Homo Sapiens from most other animals is the capability of abstract thought. We, at least some of us, understand the long term effects of our actions and can plan ahead. We have potential to be something else than just a hedonist beast that eats and fucks itself and everything else around it to extinction.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 07:34:49 No.1325458 Report

Quoted By: >>1325464

>>1325457
Are you saying there is value to abstract thought? I thought a roadkill frog was worth more than your own mother? If humans fuck and eat themselves to death, isn't that an improvement by your standards?
Look, I'm not saying we'd be better off if we strip-mined the planet. On the contrary, I'm here on this board because I enjoy and value nature, but that doesn't mean trees have the same rights as humans. If a person buys land, and there are trees on that land, those trees belong to him now.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 07:47:40 No.1325464 Report

Quoted By: >>1325469

>>1325458
>Are you saying there is value to abstract thought?
Sure there is. That is the trait that made us the dominant species on this planet.
>I thought a roadkill frog was worth more than your own mother?
In the collective sense, yes. In my personal sense, of course not. We all have the instinct of survival for us and our group.
If you dropped dead right now, i wouldn't give a shit. I wouldn't even notice.Does that mean that your life has less value than mine? No. If your pet dog died and the exact same second a huge car bomb detonated in front of some Pakistani orphanage, would you feel more sorry for a mere animal or two hundred sentient human beings that were ripped to pieces?
If humans fuck and eat themselves to death, isn't that an improvement by your standards?
No. I said that every form of life is just as valuable. That includes humans.
>If a person buys land, and there are trees on that land, those trees belong to him now.
If a person buys a ship full of slaves, those slaves belong to him now. Private property as a concept is nothing but an illusion. It's not some unchangeable divine right.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 08:00:44 No.1325469 Report

Quoted By: >>1325481

>>1325464
The human species is dominant, but we're all equal? This sounds like doublespeak. Same goes for your distinction between collective value and personal value. If I value the personal over the collective, what then? Better question: Since you value the personal over the collective, how do you square this circle?
We all have the instinct of survival for us and our group right? Why not stop there? After all, abstract thought is the trait that made us the dominant species on the planet, but that doesn't mean it comes with it any obligations, unless we create obligations for ourselves.
If humans obey the laws of nature, there's nothing to stop us owning trees. The only way to achieve a different result would be to impose a morality onto nature, a morality that is inconsistent with the nature of the thing it is trying to preserve.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 08:06:00 No.1325474 Report

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>>1323890
>every single person can fit into the state of Texas argument
it's Wisconsin.
We discussed it in detail here:
>>>1316519
just follow the reply trail.

But anyways, a few things to consider:
-Old growth is gone (mostly) and you simply can't get it back just so. However, having more (industrial) forest gives yoou the option to have more "hands off" forest, which will eventually become old growth.
-Any fixated carbon is good carbon.
-But still, we have a changing climate, so there's a good chance that your old growth forest from 300 years ago will simply not be possible anymore since the climatic conditions simply do not allow for that species makeup at that location anymore.
-Deforestation also allowed for the rise of other biomes that are now seen as valuable and worth protecting. E.g. the "Almen" in the European alps.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 08:18:58 No.1325480 Report

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>>1322635
Maybe, but I don't think it's anything like it used to be at all. They say all my local moorland used to be forest, and I wonder how beautiful it would have been - huge hills decorated by thick trees as opposed to a barren landscape.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 08:21:06 No.1325481 Report

Quoted By: >>1325493

>>1325469
>The human species is dominant, but we're all equal? This sounds like doublespeak
No it doesn't. Being dominant doesn't make you more valuable. It's more like the opposite, the more you have the more you can afford to lose.
>Same goes for your distinction between collective value and personal value.
No it doesn't. The world does not roll around you.
>If I value the personal over the collective, what then?
Sure you do, like most other people. And what then? What then is that we're all going to die alone in some inhospitable wasteland, all thanks to individualist boomer scumbags like that.
>Better question: Since you value the personal over the collective,
No i don't. Just because i understand that personal perspective exists that doesn't mean that i wouldn't also understand that it does not matter.
how do you square this circle?
Well i'd start by not treating the world as my personal playground. This summer i have already spend probably couple hundred hours of my free time looking, reporting and removing invasive plants because people think that it's ok to dump their garden junk on the land they think they own.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 08:33:57 No.1325493 Report

Quoted By: >>1325499

>>1325481
How many trees have you spiked lately?

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 08:41:04 No.1325499 Report

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>>1325493
What does "spiking" mean?

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 11:35:15 No.1325575 Report

Quoted By: >>1325591

>>1325369
>So what you're saying is that Old Growth forests are entirely useless to humans for anything except recreation because the minute you try to make use of all the benefits they bring to soil conditions those conditions then dry up and vanish?
Errr... no? They would contain a huge diversity of nuts, fruit, veg, herbs, medicinals, animals and a shitload of other resources, all of which Humans can make use of. Replacing the diversity and abundance with a monoculture crop is obviously going to be inferior and fuck up the soil since that's not how nature operates. Nature inherently forms polycultures. The intelligent person would modify the existing old growth to include more of the desired species, not clear cut the whole thing and make it unsustainable in the long term.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 11:51:24 No.1325585 Report

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>>1322662
This. The western world just outsourced the deforestation to other parts of the world chasing cheap labor costs.

>>1322718
Maybe. Less cultivated acreage is needed these days thanks to increases in productivity and trade. However, those that remain are heavily fertilized, irrigated and sprayed with pesticides. Less of that is good, but more of the old fashioned, less chemically intensive farming would be better in the long run.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 12:17:33 No.1325591 Report

Quoted By: >>1325601

>>1325575
Varg pls

Hunter-gatherer lifestyles are never making a comeback.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Jul 2018 12:34:44 No.1325601 Report

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>>1325591
I wasn't making a case for that. Doesn't change the fact monoculture is doing it wrong and is detrimental to the environment in a myriad of ways. There are other (and arguably better) forms of agriculture out there, you know. Agroforestry is a thing, for example.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 04:31:38 No.1326343 Report

Quoted By: >>1326376

>>1322662
>Need mo money fo dem programs
The Amazon can be taken care of by the South American people.
The African Rainforests can be taken care of by the African Rainforest nations.
The SEA Jungles can be taken care of by their respective nations. There is no reason for these failures other than the (non-)white biology. The huWite man is the only one whom excels at at nature.

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Anonymous Fri 27 Jul 2018 05:33:28 No.1326376 Report

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>>1326343
This
Also "Make me huwite Jared!"

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jul 2018 13:31:22 No.1328277 Report

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>>1322724
Replacing old growth rainforest with new growth temperate forest is retarded. Also, they don't actually have shortages of food or of space for industry etc, they're cutting the forests down to sell the wood (short term gain for long term environmental devastation) or for cattle, which benefits the guys who own the farms but overall doesn't contribute much to development, employment etc.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jul 2018 13:34:21 No.1328278 Report

Quoted By: >>1333807

>>1322728
Fucking retards didn't introduce predators because normies are still scared of wolves and shit.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jul 2018 13:41:56 No.1328281 Report

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>>1322724
World isn't fair place, one's wrongdoing doesn't give you a right to do more harm and telling other people to learn from the mistakes you made isn't hypocrisy.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jul 2018 14:37:27 No.1328315 Report

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>>1322724
It's not like you would use that area effectivly. All you do is burn down a patch ancient jungle to plant soja or hold cattle for a few years before the soil erodes beyond use and repeat.

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Anonymous Sun 29 Jul 2018 18:21:52 No.1328458 Report

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>>1322635

I can't speak for the world as a whole, but a lot of the "woods" in my area are 20 foot strips of trees around crop fields. Are they counting this into their estimate or are they only counting a proper forest? Tree lines are not forest and should not be counted.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Aug 2018 20:54:32 No.1330955 Report

Quoted By: >>1331135

bump

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Anonymous Thu 02 Aug 2018 01:52:02 No.1331135 Report

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>>1330955
Is that the sound a tree makes when it falls in the woods and no ones around to hear it?

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Anonymous Fri 03 Aug 2018 11:02:30 No.1332022 Report

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>>1322635
An austrian guy, wich we dubbed " gods chainsaw" destroyed half of our forests in romania for lumber,i think the country used to be like 70% forest and now its like 30% wich is even worse considering more than 80% of all the bears in europe live in romania. Destroying the forests of romania will make most of the bears in europe die

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Anonymous Fri 03 Aug 2018 11:07:26 No.1332026 Report

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>>1323807
>look at this local anecdotal story

it's a drop in the ocean. Look at google earth if you want to see the extent of forestry plantation.Wood is still in high demand, especially in the construction industry.
We export most of it overseas. It's one of britains major exports.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Aug 2018 11:09:15 No.1332027 Report

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>>1322883
the same way you count a large number of anything.
you do samples then extrapolate the data.

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Anonymous Fri 03 Aug 2018 11:24:26 No.1332029 Report

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https://www.forestresearch.gov.uk/documents/3164/Ch1_Woodland_FS2017.pdf

the increase in the uk is almost exclusively down to forestry plantations, and mostly in scotland

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Anonymous Sun 05 Aug 2018 20:35:35 No.1333807 Report

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>>1328278
http://www.lynxuk.org/
i realy want this to happen

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Anonymous Sun 05 Aug 2018 20:44:35 No.1333817 Report

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>>1322724

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Anonymous Sun 05 Aug 2018 21:00:14 No.1333839 Report

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>>1322781
over the hundreds of years, many trees have been felled for ships and farmland in UK

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Anonymous Sun 05 Aug 2018 21:05:55 No.1333843 Report

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>>1322724
>new growth forests
>in North America and Europe
Damn that’s going to be a lot of poplar.

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Anonymous Sun 05 Aug 2018 21:32:16 No.1333873 Report

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>>1333843
poplar arre pretty

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Anonymous Mon 06 Aug 2018 15:11:38 No.1334400 Report

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>>1322635

This is true, though not widely reported. Hence the emphasis on Old Growth forests, which excludes recent reforestation.

Surprise surprise, raise standards of living and people start to want and be willing to pay for stuff they used to not be able to afford.

The real trick is for Latin America and west/central/southern Africa to stabilize and get enough economic growth that they start to protect their rainforests before it's too late.

Southeast Asia is in a similar bind but apart from Burma/Myanmar they seem to have figured things out.

Per capita GDP growth (after inflation) is the solution to a lot of seemingly intractable problems.

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Anonymous Mon 06 Aug 2018 15:53:58 No.1334421 Report

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>>1322635
>Trusting something posted originally on CapX, a centre-right pro-capitalism think tank

The very people who are buying our forests to destroy are the ones telling you they're fine.

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Anonymous Mon 06 Aug 2018 16:16:32 No.1334433 Report

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>>1334400
>just throw money at it the foreign policy

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Anonymous Mon 06 Aug 2018 16:33:49 No.1334441 Report

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>>1325435
If you own them why don't they obey your orders?

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Anonymous Mon 06 Aug 2018 16:36:44 No.1334442 Report

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>>1322635

Fields of trees =/= forests. It takes at least a century for the forests in Europe to revert to their natural way.

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Anonymous Mon 06 Aug 2018 19:09:56 No.1334534 Report

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>>1323807
Can vouch for this, two large pine forests near us both have been razed and the replants are ash and oak, alot of pine still about your right but the change is being encouraged. I presume by EU grants. My old man had some dude come and plant a crapload of hedging all on the EU's coffers. A crofter I know is also applying for grants to EU to have rhododendron pulled out and swapped for native trees.

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