>>1374346The elixir's great. This year's version has more vestibule space and glow in the dark zippers. If you're using it for backcountry use I wouldn't recommend the 4 person because that means you have to find more flat space to pitch it on. That ll bean one looks heavy as fuark. I'd say it's decent for winter usage because of the poles but if snow starts to get bad, it looks like it can easily get into the vents. Seems like a pain in the bitch to set up. Also, the elixir comes with the footprint.