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Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:04:03 No.1380730 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1380781 >>1380793 >>1381080 >>1383218

Next April I'm climbing Mt. Adams NH. I am expecting full winter conditions because the Whites maintain snow into early June. With 4200' of elevation gain, and with snow varying from hard ice, to powder snow, should I just use snowshoes? They have the spikes in them to help with traction. With winds easily exceeding 100 mph should I invest in an ice axe and crampons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:10:40 No.1380734 Report

Quoted By: >>1380736

if you can't answer these questions yourself you're not able to complete this goal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:12:21 No.1380736 Report

Quoted By: >>1380737

>>1380734
he has six fucking months before this trip, it's called research.

Jesus christ anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:15:26 No.1380737 Report

Quoted By: >>1380742

>>1380736
>6 months to learn to be an expert alpinist for those conditions
>clearly starting with zero base knowledge
looking forward to reading about you in the news, op.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:22:34 No.1380742 Report

Quoted By: >>1380744

>>1380737
I have had several experiences in winter hiking before in New England. I was just asking because it seems that some of my friends who also are going on this trip only used snowshoes in their mountaineering experiences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:27:48 No.1380744 Report

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>>1380742
>I have had several experiences in winter hiking before in New England.
oh, shit, i didn't realize i was talking to ueli steck here. i beg your pardon for not realizing what a badass you are
>I was just asking because i don't have a fucking clue what i'm doing
ftfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:29:36 No.1380745 Report

Quoted By: >>1380755 >>1380777

I think you are overthinking this anon. Mt. Adams isn't even 6,000 feet tall. There are people living at those fucking altitudes in nothing but gym shorts and a T-shirt. Get back to me when you hike a real mountain

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:33:14 No.1380749 Report

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dogs don't belong on mountains

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 21:41:36 No.1380755 Report

Quoted By: >>1380778

>>1380745
>There are people living at those fucking altitudes
Which is entirely irrelevant. Prominence is key. The fact that it rises 8,116 ft above the surrounding plains means it'll generate bad weather; thus conditions may be harsh. Evidently you know little about mountaineering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 22:20:59 No.1380777 Report

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>>1380745
Fucking retard, you don't know whats its like to be hiking in those conditions. If you spent any more time than a few minutes in winter conditions you would be dead instantly. The highest recorded wind speed in the area is 231 mph, and the coldest temp ever recorded there is -34 f without the wind chill

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 22:22:01 No.1380778 Report

Quoted By: >>1380790

>>1380755
Wrong state buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 22:24:42 No.1380781 Report

Quoted By: >>1381327

>>1380730
>With winds easily exceeding 100 mph should I invest in an ice axe and crampons
No, you shouldn’t go up the mountain that day you dolt

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 22:47:57 No.1380790 Report

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>>1380778
What?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 22:57:21 No.1380793 Report

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>>1380730
What chapter of "Accidents in North American Mountaineering" do you think you'll be in?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 23:05:54 No.1380796 Report

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>>130790
It's in New Hampshire and only 5774' tall

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 23:25:38 No.1380817 Report

Quoted By: >>1380862

I've attempted to summit Mt Adam's twice (during the summer). I've summited all the other presidential and Adams is by far the hardest and longest. I ran out of time both attempts. I would take out at least 10 hours for winter hiking. If theres hard ice, you will need crampons or die. Snow shoe spikes are not for thick ice, just crusty snow. Theres many paths going up. Avoid the ice caves cause A they will be buried and B theres a huge stretch of 45 to 60 degree climbing (almost bouldering) after them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Oct 2018 23:38:29 No.1380824 Report

Quoted By: >>1380862

My thoughts:

Micro spikes are retarded; if you're in a situation where you need ice/snow grip and climbing mountains/steep terrain, front spikes are really nice to have. Get glacier crampons (horizontal front spikes). And if you're on a scenario where clearing ice/snow and self arresting a fall may be useful...use an axe. Mountaineering isn't cheap by literally any metric, and it's not the sport to skimp on gear. You have very little margin for error.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 00:25:08 No.1380850 Report

Quoted By: >>1380862

Above treeline the summit of Adams is a boulder field. 12 point crampons and mountain boots plus an ice axe are the minimum. Rent them nearby if you need to but know how to use them ahead of time. I'd wear a helmet too. You will be scrambling on big icy rocks. Pic related, imagine this caked in ice and rime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 00:37:22 No.1380862 Report

Quoted By: >>1380897 >>1381039 >>1381362

>>1380817
>>1380824
>>1380850
Thanks, planning to do this with a 3 on friends who are not as experienced, and were are splitting it up into 3 days. First hike to the log cabin run by the RMC, and camp there for night one. Then on day 2 hike to the summit, and hike down to the valley way tent site. On day 3 we will just hike back to Appalachia, then drive home.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 01:19:09 No.1380897 Report

Quoted By: >>1381176

>>1380862
>op is the most experienced person in the group
it's faggots like you who go out and die that make it so more rules get made that the rest of us have to deal with.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 02:06:44 No.1380957 Report

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So is there a plan B, or are you just picking a day 6 months in advance and going for it no matter what? You really need to pick out a block of a few (5?) days and summit on the nicer day, or don’t, what do I care.
Pic related sounds fun and all until you’re in it. Make sure you bring a balaclava and goggles

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 04:12:42 No.1381039 Report

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>>1380862
You three need to do a shakedown hike together and get to know the nuances of each other in stressful situations. Pick a moderate hike that you've done before. Mt. Adams looks like it can be a not too difficult hike, at 8 miles round trip in class 1 or 2 stuff but the weather changing possibilities seem to add the level of severity that you don't want to be with people that are going to panic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 05:52:15 No.1381080 Report

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>>1380730

>should I invest....

yes and yes.

also invest in proper clothing and hire a mountain guide if you're not an expert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 11:20:43 No.1381176 Report

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>>1380897
Not in New Hampshire, we don't care. At the begining of many of the White hikes there are signs saying you have to pay all the charges for your rescue so don't fuck up. People die every year and life just goes on. OP will be fine unless the weather hits, then he's dead regardless of his gear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 16:29:38 No.1381327 Report

Quoted By: >>1381356 >>1381456

>>1380781
The white mountain peaks record hurricane force winds over 200 days a year. It's a weird fucking area for weather. They're well known for having shit weather.

Remember, the white mountains are not dangerous because of their elevation. People in the western USA often scoff at the low elevations, while completely ignoring the elevation is irrelevant. It's the weather that is the challenge.

In winter, the peak of Mt Washington is typically colder, with higher wind speed, than the 26k feet camp at mt Everest.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 17:27:17 No.1381356 Report

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>>1381327
This is because 3 separate weather systems converge right over the peak of Mt. Washington. Also, 110 days of hurricane force gusts per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_(New_Hampshire)#Climate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 17:36:47 No.1381362 Report

Quoted By: >>1381388

>>1380862
I would double check to make sure the cabin is open in April. They shut down all public facilities during the winter.

ALSO: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_on_the_Presidential_Range

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 17:48:35 No.1381378 Report

Quoted By: >>1381394

Meh, dying while /out/ doesn't seem a bad way to go. Your death might scare faggots off the mountain which is a benefit, not entirely meaningless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 17:58:46 No.1381388 Report

Quoted By: >>1381456

>>1381362
Yeah the log cabin which we are planning to use is open all year round , but it is colder and has no stove and more exposed to the elements. We are not hiking for distance, so each day we hike is less than 5 miles.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 18:03:44 No.1381394 Report

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>>1381378
Admittedly, but you might want to find something a little more impressive to die on.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 18:54:22 No.1381456 Report

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>>1381327
The Whites are so much fun in the winter.
>>1381388
Keep the longer time period for the trip but hike faster and finish early if you get good weather. Sitting anywhere in those mountains while not moving isn't exactly fun, let alone for so much time every day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 19:37:51 No.1381497 Report

Quoted By: >>1381515

Not OP but I've recently been interested in attempting some summits in the presidential range. I am a complete novice to mountaineering and would like some advice on how to get into the sport

To anybody who does this sort of shit; what kind of gear do you bring? How do you train to prepare? Where can I find the necessary information to succeed in a mountain environment?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Oct 2018 19:58:05 No.1381515 Report

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>>1381497
Start by doing some in reasonable conditions like in the summer, then you can progress into the fall which will help with the cold. Good strength just comes from training, and the past experiences you have in that area. Don't go if you have never been to the area or haven't done similar climbs before. You can get good used gear in Vermont at Outdoor Gear exchange https://www.gearx.com/ .

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Oct 2018 12:28:21 No.1383218 Report

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>>1380730
FFS, why would you bring your dog to the summit? Even marmots can't survive there in the winter.

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