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Winter is here, winter hints thread.

Anonymous Wed 28 Nov 2018 17:35:28 No.1405163 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1405242 >>1405492 >>1405529 >>1405597 >>1405745 >>1406013 >>1407439 >>1407579

Would kerosene lamp be a good idea to heat up the tent a little? Like, if I'd hang it from the ceeling? They seem pretty safe.*

Would covering tent with thermal blanket help? I was also thinking about seting up a tarp over tent for wind protection etc.

What to use for isolating tent from the ground? Thermal blanket or something stronger?

*my iglo tent has a decent ventilation on top, I understand it might not be enough.
And I sid saw that fin guy cook inside british arctic tent yesterday

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Nov 2018 17:42:46 No.1405166 Report

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Don't keep the whole tent warm, keep yourself warm.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Nov 2018 18:26:17 No.1405185 Report

Quoted By: >>1405492

Do fire screens really reflect some heat twards the shelter, or is it burru-shituru meme?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Nov 2018 20:14:36 No.1405236 Report

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I just learned about this thing from helsinkipop. Looks like a good idea cause is compact yet should burn long, thus good for winter as heating. Feeding the fire consumes a lot of time.

https://youtu.be/x-Vhl9ZsFgU

Will try this soon, I hope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Nov 2018 20:25:48 No.1405242 Report

Quoted By: >>1405275 >>1405504

>>1405163
>Would kerosene lamp be a good idea to heat up the tent a little? Like, if I'd hang it from the ceeling? They seem pretty safe.*

just no, risk of CO2 pooling at the bottom of the tent+synthetic materials catching fire is non negligible.

>Would covering tent with thermal blanket help? I was also thinking about seting up a tarp over tent for wind protection etc.

Nope, you'll be better off using the blankets for yourself.
Which sleeping bag you're going to use?
Which temperatures are you expecting?
Do you have a proper sleeping mat?
Are you camping near your car?

My 2 cents, if you are car camping bring 2 2l water bottles, before going to sleep heat the water and put it into the bottles again, close the cap carefully, put them in the sleeping bag and enjoy the warmth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Nov 2018 21:21:34 No.1405275 Report

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>>1405242
>Nope, you'll be better off using the blankets for yourself.
I can take 2 or 3, they're weightless & cheap.
What about the tarp?
>Which sleeping bag you're going to use?
Some no-name mummy bag, it served me well in cold summer days.
>Which temperatures are you expecting?
Not more than -10, most likely less. Might rain though, it always makes it feel colder.
>Do you have a proper sleeping mat?
I like my bundeswehr mat, I also plan to take rubberized on one side blanket
>Are you camping near your car?
Nope, plan an on-foot teip.

>2 2l water bottles
That's a good idea since I always carry lots of water anyway. Though it's probably better to find bottles that will be more resistant to heat, normal bottles deform easy from warm water. Or just take a canteen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 04:11:55 No.1405492 Report

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>>1405185
A reflective wall really does work, yes.

>>1405163
Put the thermal blanket (shiny side up) on the bottom, either under the tent floor as a ground sheet, or inside the tent on top of the tent floor. On top of this put one or two wool blankets, then your sleeping pad on top of the blanket/s. You in the sleeping bag on top of the pad. You need dead air space (in the blankets) between you and the ground, so using just a thermal blanket won't work well.
If your pad is simply air filled, without insulation of any kind, you're going to be a little chilly.
Do not sleep with your head inside your sleeping bag or you will wet out with condensation a few hours into the night. Bring a wool balaclava to wear.
No lamps or candles inside the tent. Use chemical hand warmers in your sleeping bag if you must.
Bring extra socks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 04:39:06 No.1405504 Report

Quoted By: >>1405524

>>1405242
Carbon MONoxide you dumbfuck. The rest of your post is right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 05:12:50 No.1405524 Report

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>>1405504

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16499405

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 05:17:45 No.1405529 Report

Quoted By: >>1405578 >>1405584

>>1405163
Are you some kind of retard son? Keep yourself warm in a sleeping bag, don’t think you’re ready for winter falling.

And stick your stove canisters in there if it’s below 25 or so

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 07:02:08 No.1405578 Report

Quoted By: >>1405584

>>1405529
>Keep yourself warm in a sleeping bag.
I want to be able to stay warm before going to sleep, to like, chill and read a book, I'm not sure fire is enough for that.

>stove canisters
I don't use gas, I think carying that shit is retarded. I use multi-fuel stove.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 07:13:41 No.1405584 Report

Quoted By: >>1405746 >>1405797

>>1405529
>>1405578
Not to mention using gas below zero always sucked for me, maybe I had shitty stoves or shitty gas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 07:50:58 No.1405597 Report

Quoted By: >>1405598 >>1405774 >>1406972

>>1405163

1. insulated airmat/sleeping pad is critical

2. I use one of those folding car windsheild sun reflectors under my sleeping pad as an extra layer and it works amazingly well.

3. I stuff my mummy bag with clothes/adventure towel/ect.to fill up space and gaps.

4. If needed I will crack and emergency thermal blanket and wrap my lower body up to torso. The thermal blanket does not breath so i only use it when needed.

5. sleep with a beanie on to keep in heat.

6.multi layer sleep system but ALWAYS change shirts and baselayers to not sleep in sweaty clothes ive hiked in during the day.

7. if needed - crack a few handwarmers to put in your bag

8. boil water and put in a nalgene or a subzero bottle wrapped in a sock/towel to place in bag.

The goal is to keep your body warm and dry and the tent fully ventilated and free from condensation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 07:57:52 No.1405598 Report

Quoted By: >>1405603

>>1405597
>2. I use one of those folding car windsheild sun reflectors under my sleeping pad as an extra layer and it works amazingly well.

That's a good hint anon thanks, they are cheap, light, I can use it to wrap my blankets & shit because it's waterproof too.

>or a subzero bottle wrapped
Or some cheap canteen? I don't think it will last long though, won't it act as a cooler in the morning?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 08:11:28 No.1405603 Report

Quoted By: >>1405615

>>1405598

The sunshade I use as a sleeping pad layer is one of the thicker celled reflecting folding ones.

I use one of the subzero stainless steel waterbottles and it retains the heat extremely well. I place it in a sock and it keeps warm just fine in the mummy bag overnight

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Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 09:09:32 No.1405615 Report

Quoted By: >>1406000

>>1405603
like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 11:04:56 No.1405643 Report

Quoted By: >>1407582

-Critical equipment, especially smaller stuff, knives, gps, etc need to be on a lanyard or paracord or something. You drop it in the snow, consider it gone. At the very least paint that shit neon orange. If you haven't lost good shit in the snow yet, you havent been doing this long enough. Tent pegs too if you use, definitely hit 'em with the orange paint.
-2 is 1, 1 is none, especially in the winter, especially with respect to heat and light. Carry multiple methods of fire starting, at least two lights, and batteries.
-Limit tent condensation as much as humanely possible, stay as dry as possible. Getting up from or back into a tent with a bunch of frost and ice falling all over you and getting shit damp sucks fat balls.
-Your fire is always too small.
-Bring food that wont get f-ed up by freezing.
-You WILL get damp/wet. Just assume it and be prepared to deal with it.
-This ones obvious, but bring a friggin' shovel. I've seen more people than I care to showing up in the winter without one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 15:34:36 No.1405745 Report

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>>1405163
>Would kerosene lamp be a good idea to heat up the tent a little?

It'll stink up the tent really quick, filling it with thin blueish smoke. So no.

>Would covering tent with thermal blanket help?

Probably, yes.

>What to use for isolating tent from the ground? Thermal blanket or something stronger?

Thermarest Ridgerest works well. Blue ones are thicker than the olive ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 15:37:11 No.1405746 Report

Quoted By: >>1405797

>>1405584

Gas cans have a mixture of propane and butane IIRC, when it's cold the two separate and only one burns up or something... also gas does not like to be gaseous when it's cold, so the overall performance is lowered in cold environments. Plus it takes longer to heat stuff up in general, so gas is better for warm temperatures.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 16:51:20 No.1405774 Report

Quoted By: >>1406001

Any good insulated sleeping mats that are inflatable, or will fit well on bike panniers?
Also, thoughts on layering two cheapo 3 season bags?
>>1405597
thermal blanket over or under you sleeping bag? I have a thermal bag, but have a feeling it will just drench my sleeping bag.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 17:39:02 No.1405797 Report

Quoted By: >>1405828 >>1406004 >>1406499

>>1405584
>>1405746
Propane boils at lower temps than isobutane and n-butane, but carrying pure propane means getting those heavy coleman green tanks.

So with fuel canisters they mix propane and isobutane/n-butane. If you use upright stove in winter, the propane will boil off first and your stove will start suffering after 25% fuel used. If you use inverted stove, the propane gas will float ontop of the butane, but because it's inverted it will force liquid butane through the feeder tube maintaining constant high pressure
>pic related comfy winter cooking setup

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Nov 2018 19:06:10 No.1405828 Report

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>>1405797
>Propane boils at lower temps than isobutane and n-butane
I'll remember that for the future, if I ever try my luck with gas stoves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 01:01:13 No.1406000 Report

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>>1405615

thicker version of that that folds into itself. not the lighter roll up kind

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 01:02:43 No.1406001 Report

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>>1405774

I will wrap the emergency blanket around the outside of the sleeping bag so its the very last layer to keep in heat. I only wrap from the mid torso downwards to aid with venting

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 01:04:23 No.1406004 Report

Quoted By: >>1406499

>>1405797
just get a white gas stove, MSR Whisper-whatever I have is amazing

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Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 01:10:05 No.1406010 Report

Quoted By: >>1406021

Hint: bring this into the woods

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 01:14:39 No.1406013 Report

Quoted By: >>1406150

>>1405163
There really needs to be a test of some kind before people post on here. A kerosene lantern in a tent? , Every one knows a small wood fire properly ringed with stones, (not river stones though) is the proper way to heat up to a 3 person tent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 01:27:53 No.1406021 Report

Quoted By: >>1406034 >>1409665

>>1406010
Not enough fat, need a chubby one for max comfy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 01:50:27 No.1406034 Report

Quoted By: >>1408933

>>1406021
I'll take this defective one anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 03:36:33 No.1406078 Report

Quoted By: >>1406150

How do you boys keep your face warm during the night? Main problem I’ve faced is I’ll wake up at 2 in the morning and my face will be freezing, if I wear a balaclava I get condensation forming on my face.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 06:43:21 No.1406150 Report

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>>1406013
>A kerosene lantern in a tent?
Maybe it would be safe in one of those well ventilated canvas winter tents?
But than again, in that case one would use mini wood stove, no need for a lamp.

>>1406078

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 19:55:05 No.1406499 Report

Quoted By: >>1407441

>>1405797
>isobutane/n-butane
But in that case, wouldn't it be better to just make isobutane/n-butane only stoves?
>>1406004
What's white-gas? This doesn't sound clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_gas

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Nov 2018 20:46:21 No.1406519 Report

Quoted By: >>1406877 >>1406972

op is a fucking idiot

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Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 16:09:47 No.1406877 Report

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>>1406519
>a person asks questions to verify and extend his knowledge
>he's an idiot because of it

You should leave.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Dec 2018 19:30:31 No.1406972 Report

Quoted By: >>1408006 >>1408009 >>1408075

Is +5kg too much for winter camp setup or is it too much?

Inside is:
1. thin, but warm wool blanket,
2. 3m x 3m tarp, 1.2kg, 130g thick (actually it's a tarpaulin, I'm not ready to spend money on tarps yet)
3. car windshield sun reflectors as >>1405597 suggested, just bought one, they are fragile, but cheap as fuck and weightless.
4. some no-name sleeping bag, -10C max it says.
5. picnic blanket, isolated on one side. Pretty warm, I slept under it in autumn. Also good isolation.
6. all wrapped in Czechoslovakian "poncho" made from thick plastic, it's cheap as fuck and very light. I used it as a bag for all that shit and snapped together with british army load straps.

I plan to attach it to some webbing, so that the weight doesnt hang on the backpack, kinda like Helsinkipop did here: https://youtu.be/fDcE-811ZQY

Apart from that stuff that will go to the backpack:
7. Bundeswehr sleeping pad
8. 2 person cheap-ass iglo tent (1.3kg, not bad)
9. 2x thermal blanket

I figured if I manage to stay below 15KG with all the gear, I'll be fine.

Temp outside is below -10C, but the wind is a motherfucker.

Not sure if I'll need the tarp and the picnic blanket, or maybe keep the picnic blanket and ditch the wool one.

What say you?

Pic related, 7.62 for comparison (its pretty bulky, but doesn't feel too heavy).

>>1406519
Better to be an idiot who asks stupid questions than a trolling cunt on an anonymous image board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 14:44:17 No.1407433 Report

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hey i thought it might work. Guess you could leave the tent open and get around the lamp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 15:20:58 No.1407439 Report

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>>1405163
Just have a fire. Winter is my preferred time to camp. I just build shelters and use a bivy sack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 15:26:12 No.1407441 Report

Quoted By: >>1407652

>>1406499
Less dess = Lower boiling point = stays gas in colder temperature = better for winter use

>Propane is least dense, at sea level it will only turn liquid at -40F
>isobutane is a less-dense isomer of butane, turns liquid at 10F
>butane is most dense, it turns liquid at 30F
At higher elevations, you will need higher vapor pressure in the canister for it to keep working, so propane is even more valuable at high elevation/colder temps. But because pure propane is less dense you need a stronger container to hold it (think coleman green propane cans, or those heavy barbecue propane canisters)

Whereas with white gas (naptha) stoves you artifically pressurize it so that stuff never matters, which is why white gas is best for high altitude cold weather.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 19:43:07 No.1407579 Report

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>>1405163
Cant stress an insulated sleep pad enough. Back in January here in northern WI I tried to get away with an emergency tarp and wool blankets as insulation, woke up at 3am feeling like I was sleeping in ice. Used that same system in the fall and it worked but the ground wasn’t as wet. Both times I stuffed leaves under the tent, not sure if it helped or not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 19:45:19 No.1407582 Report

Quoted By: >>1407622 >>1407623

>>1405643
How do you limit condensing? Keep tent doors/vents open? Anything else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 21:39:14 No.1407622 Report

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>>1407582
Basically yes
Also keep a lid on your kettle while smelting snow/cooking

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 21:40:19 No.1407623 Report

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>>1407582
Also brush icing off from the walls roof and throw it out

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 22:30:28 No.1407652 Report

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>>1407441
Very informative, thanks. I'll save this info should I ever decide to switch to gas stoves. :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Dec 2018 23:53:08 No.1407679 Report

Quoted By: >>1407869

Best wet winter pants? Need suggestions please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Dec 2018 04:51:18 No.1407869 Report

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>>1407679
We ware told in some earlier threads, those Flefjaflivefafen G-1000 are v. good in that regard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Dec 2018 11:27:23 No.1408006 Report

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>>1406972
I like your idea, looks like you took a little advice from everyone in the thread.
I'm sure it will serve you just fine in those temps as long as you have protection from the wind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Dec 2018 11:33:04 No.1408009 Report

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>>1406972
Keep both blankets, or better yet just get a coleman fleece sleeping bag liner, it zips open into a blanket and zips down into a comfy liner

Layer everything like so:

Sleeping bag with fleece liner - TOP
Wool blanket
Sleeping pad
Windshield cover
Tent floor
Tarp - BOTTOM

Maybe wrap the wool blanket around your sleeping bag if you need just a little more warmth

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Dec 2018 14:13:26 No.1408075 Report

Quoted By: >>1408091

>>1406972
You're missing an insulating sleeping pad layer.
A lot of heat loss is actually through conduction (just try lying down on the cold ground with only a sleeping bag). If you want to poorfag just get a $20 ridge rest foam pad. If you want to povertyfag it then use pine boughs to separate your setup from the ground

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 03 Dec 2018 14:30:23 No.1408091 Report

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>>1408075
>7. Bundeswehr sleeping pad
>9. thermal blanket
>5. picnic blanket,
>3. car windshield
>And maybe the plastic "poncho"

That's not enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 04 Dec 2018 22:51:14 No.1408933 Report

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>>1406034
underrated post

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Anonymous Wed 05 Dec 2018 20:14:59 No.1409482 Report

Quoted By: >>1409575

OP here. I've been experimenting with attaching camp setup to a webbing, like Helsinkipop did in his video: https://youtu.be/fDcE-811ZQY
Because it's too bulky for my medium size pack.
His setup is 6kg, similar weight to mine.
So far attempts to use soviet-block webbing systems have failed, they're too uncomfortable.
I still have a more modern webbing to try, hopefully I'll be able to test it on the weekend.
Stay tuned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 05 Dec 2018 22:10:26 No.1409575 Report

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>>1409482
Good lookin mess kit anon

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Anonymous Thu 06 Dec 2018 00:15:51 No.1409665 Report

Quoted By: >>1409857 >>1410137

>>1406021

this is exactly what you want plus you can fuck her and it will help you sleep after have an orgasm in her vagina

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Dec 2018 05:40:00 No.1409857 Report

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>>1409665
>in her vagina
Eeew.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Dec 2018 21:38:40 No.1410133 Report

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First snow in Poland! Yay!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 06 Dec 2018 21:50:27 No.1410137 Report

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>>1409665
I agree. Perfect snow bunny.

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