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I generally don't start a fire unless I plan on putting it out, dude.

I use pic related when I need a fire to cook or warm myself with.

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!Iknugen68.

!Iknugen68. Mon 17 Jun 2013 19:39:45 No.141093 Report

Quoted By: >>141102 >>141103 >>141129 >>141930

>>141089
>>141090
There are tons of lakes where I live, and prior to crossing them I usually light a fire should I fall through the ice or fall off my temporary raft. In those temperatures you're pretty much done for without a fire.

Problem is that once I've crossed a stream, I can't go back to put it out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2013 19:49:37 No.141102 Report

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>>141093
So the fire has to provide warmth long enough so that if you happened to fall through ice, swim back to the shore, and get back to the fire, it'd still burn for quite some time, yet weak enough to die out if not tended without setting the entire area on fire?
Quite tricky, I have no idea

Well, I just thought about surrounding the fire with piles of snow or ice, so that once it melts, it'll put out the fire, but not before some time, and if you came back, you'd only have to remove it all so the fire can continue.
Don't know if that would work, but I have no other suggestion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2013 19:49:46 No.141103 Report

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>>141093
Are you sure there isn't a safer way to do this than crossing an icy lake on a questionable raft you think you'll fall off of? You could bring a lot of insulation in a dry bag, for instance. It's just that what you describe sounds like something Christopher McCandless might have thought up.

To answer your original question, if you have snow nearby, pack a thick donut of snow around the fire, and that would be a pretty good way to keep it from spreading.

A better option is that you could just gather a lot of wood, build a fire with a good tinder nest underneath - but don't light the fire. Leave a single match behind so in case you're worried about your gear getting wet or washing away, you'd have that one match dry and ready. Once you have the wood and tinder built up, lighting the fire shouldn't take but a few seconds, and really I don't see how a 30 second delay from nothing to a blaze is any different from the 30 second delay you'd still have to deal with from embers to a blaze.

Madsen Maskingevær

Madsen Maskingevær Mon 17 Jun 2013 19:50:12 No.141104 Report

Quoted By: >>141106 >>141797 >>141879

don't make fires on rock they can crack or fracture and shoot bits at you
> not even joking

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2013 19:51:10 No.141106 Report

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>>141104
That doesn't even relate to his question, namefag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2013 20:02:00 No.141118 Report

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if youre in a climate where rivers freeze over, a campfire doesnt really pose any risks.
surround it with a few stones or earth/sand, thats always a good idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2013 20:07:03 No.141123 Report

Quoted By: >>141844

>>141091
>I use pic related when I need a fire to cook or warm myself with.
cutlery?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 17 Jun 2013 20:14:07 No.141129 Report

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>>141093
Ignoring the question of why you're even doing this, get a drysuit if you're doing shit like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 17:39:06 No.141797 Report

Quoted By: >>141812

>>141104
Only if the rocks have been in water within the last 10.000 years, learn how to spot the signs of this.

Then the water inside them can make them explode, this is true.

But i usally bury a small hole and have the fire in that, when i am done i cover it with the dirt and some rocks after.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 18:04:41 No.141812 Report

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>>141797
This is really not that big of a deal anyway. Yeah, the rocks can break apart as they heat up, but the chances of hot shrapnel going in your eyes are pretty low.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 18:31:39 No.141832 Report

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>>141085
Build it on a bed of stone/rocks, ring it with stone/rock. Only put in sticks and logs, no paper or leaves. In a 10 feet diameter area around the fire pit remove all burnable materials (grass, leaves, etc). Check out this image and cross reference which woods in your area send out the least amount of sparks. Make sure there are no overhanging trees.

This is the best you can do to keep a fire going and have it be as safe as possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 18:42:13 No.141844 Report

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>>141123

You better believe it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 18:46:39 No.141847 Report

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>>141832
mesquite burns hot as fuck. put it in our fire place one year and it cracked it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 19:10:15 No.141879 Report

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>>141104
some people camped out near a rock with petroglyphs (hällristningar) on it near here a couple of years ago, and their campfire created a huge-ass crack right in the middle of the thing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 19:21:57 No.141898 Report

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>>141091

Yes reklam?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 19:45:05 No.141913 Report

Quoted By: >>141958

Meanwhile at OP's camp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:02:17 No.141930 Report

Quoted By: >>141946

>>141093
>In those temperatures you're pretty much done for without a fire.

I you don't live in the yukon/siberia/Northern Canada/Northern Scandanavia the temperature of the water itself shouldn't be enough to kill if you fall in you unless you really fuck up afterwards; I've swam in water down to 38F degrees and was fine when I got back out, this includes being outdoors in cold weather prior to getting a fire going. I also know plenty of other people that have done the same, and a few that do so regularly. Heck, I would hazard a guess that anywhere the ice is thin enough that falling through it is likely, you won't die simply from falling in without some additional misfortune/stupidity afterwards.

Unless of course you're crossing during a storm or a blizzard, in which case holy shit what are you doing, and a fire alone wouldn't save your dumb ass then anyway.

What's far more dangerous about crossing than the temperature itself is

A) Crossing a river/stream deeper than a foot, because of current sweeping you once you're under the ice
B) Crossing with a heavy backpack still strapped to you

If you do one of those, holy shit what are you doing, and a fire won't save your dumb ass from one of those either.

If you must keep doing this, the best alternative is probably going to be setting up but not lighting a fire as >>141103 suggested.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:23:31 No.141946 Report

Quoted By: >>141950 >>141966

>>141930
Swimming in cold water is fine, falling unprepared into cold water isn't. Don't compare the two. I've swam in very cold water, below 0°C actually because it was salt water, and yes I'm fine. Last time I fell into cold water, I almost died.

If you happen to have some warm clothing, the thermal shock may be enough to cause a loss of consciousness. If you're still there, your veins and lungs will tell you to fuck off and your brain will be left without oxygen, and your heart having to work much harder because of vasoconstriction may be fatal if you have the slightest heart problems. At this point, the rule is 1-10-1:
- 1 minute to gain back control of your breathing, fast enough to avoid loosing consciousness, slow enough to avoid hyperventilation, which naturally happens when you're panicked, and that will cause the exact same thing
- 10 minutes to get out before you're too numb to carry your enough of your body weight to get out, and if you don't weat a life jacket, you'll die
- 1 hour before hypothermia gets you, on average

If cold water really was comfortable, there wouldn't be so many deaths each year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:26:53 No.141950 Report

Quoted By: >>141952 >>141963

>>141946
Agreed that falling unprepared, or underprepared is different from jumping into cold water to swim, but losing consciousness from thermal shock? Not if you're in any kind of shape and/or below the age of 65.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:34:14 No.141952 Report

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>>141950
Some people lose consciousness in summer by jumping in a pool. This causes many deaths each year. It has nothing to do with being old, you can't escape vasoconstriction, the rise of blood pressure, and your brain not getting any oxygen, those are natural processes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:38:53 No.141958 Report

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>>141913
More like meanwhile at your camp. Stop projecting your failure onto other people.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:42:05 No.141963 Report

Quoted By: >>141965

>>141950
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/ice/hypothermia.pdf

>Cold water shock
causes the victim to
involuntarily inhale water and drown.
It may also cause a sudden increase
in blood pressure and cardiac arrest
within three minutes of entering the
water.

>Swim failure
can happen from three
to 30 minutes of immersion. Cold
stiffens muscles making swimming to
stay afloat, zipping a life vest or re-
boarding a boat nearly impossible.

>Immersion hypothermia.
After 30
minutes, body core temperature begins
to fall, which can lead to unconscious-
ness and eventually death.

>Post immersion collapse
happens during
or after rescue. As the body begins to
re-warm, cold blood that was trapped in
the extremities can rush to the heart,
possibly leading to heart failure. Also,
water that may have been inhaled can
damage the heart and lungs.

>copypastaerrors

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:43:18 No.141965 Report

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>>141963
How does any of that refute what I said? Stop assuming people who go /out/ are unfit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:43:42 No.141966 Report

Quoted By: >>141971 >>141978 >>141980

>>141946

There's going to be a limit to how cold the water OP encounters will be, given that it's freshwater and the ice is thin enough that falling through it is a concern.

If the water is much colder, kept from freezing because of movement, then OP is crossing a river and like I said before that's a deeply stupid idea and the cold is less a concern than being trapped under ice with a current.

If OP falls into the water and loses consciousness, a fire on shore won't do him any good.

If OP falls into the water and has a heart attack, a fire on shore won't do him any good.

My point isn't that cold water is never an issue, it's that from what OP has said, either:

A) The water he's encountering isn't cold enough to kill him in the way he's thinking it will

OR

B) The water is more dangerous than he appears to think it is (because of cold or the other reasons mentioned) and a fire on shore isn't going to save him from the deeply stupid thing he's doing.

I probably should have clarified that better in my post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:45:45 No.141968 Report

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I just pee on it when I'm done

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 20:50:33 No.141971 Report

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>>141966

Another one to add:

If OP falls into the water, and it's cold enough that his muscles cramp and he can't make it back out, a fire on shore won't do him any good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 21:05:03 No.141978 Report

Quoted By: >>141989 >>142108

>>141966
Getting out of water isn't enough. You'll still die outside of water if you don't have some mean to gain back some heat... like a fire.

OP seems to know what he's doing, or then he'd be dead by now. He seems to imply he's already taking other precautions, fire is just an extra one, and certainly a worthwhile one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 21:09:01 No.141980 Report

Quoted By: >>141989

>>141966
>A) The water he's encountering isn't cold enough to kill him in the way he's thinking it will
Even then, having a fire to dry your clothes and get warm again isn't negligible.

Surviving is great, comfort is even better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 21:17:50 No.141989 Report

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>>141978
>OP seems to know what he's doing, or then he'd be dead by now.

Or, you know, he hasn't fallen into the water yet.

What you said could apply to any dumbass that ends up dead, right up to the moment that their own stupid decisions kill them.

>>141980
>Surviving is great, comfort is even better.

Fair enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 23:33:51 No.142108 Report

Quoted By: >>142113

>>141978
>OP seems to know what he's doing, or then he'd be dead by now.

Yeah, I dunno about that m8

>>>141984

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Anonymous Tue 18 Jun 2013 23:38:19 No.142113 Report

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>>142108
>crossing semi-frozen lakes on unstable rafts with a pretty high expectation of falling in
>leaving unattended fires in the woods
>descending into holes "of unknown depth" by holding onto a rope in your hand
>pic related, mfw

The important thing is that he's asking questions, and that he wants to learn. I can't fault him for that.

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