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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 18:26:21 No.1662208 View View Reply Original Report

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Why is starting fires so hard?
Am i missing something here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 19:31:46 No.1662232 Report

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>>1662208
Light a chunk of pine resin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 19:34:30 No.1662233 Report

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no it isn't

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 19:41:42 No.1662239 Report

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>>1662208
don't worry, we've all been there before

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 19:48:10 No.1662243 Report

Quoted By: >>1662599 >>1662934

>>1662232
Starting it is easy
It just always goes out before I can make it big

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 19:54:30 No.1662244 Report

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>>1662239
Degenerate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 20:36:10 No.1662271 Report

Quoted By: >>1662321

>>1662244
Shut up fag

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 22:19:49 No.1662317 Report

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>>1662239
>don't worry, we've all been there before
I haven't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 22:24:23 No.1662321 Report

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>>1662239
>>1662271
Weebs get the rope

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Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 22:54:18 No.1662336 Report

Quoted By: >>1662338 >>1662575

>>1662208
It's not that hard. I do it 90 nights out of the year in pic related. Get more tinder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 22:58:02 No.1662338 Report

Quoted By: >>1662358

>>1662336
Yep.
OP, stop trying to burn logs with a tiny pile of smouldering pine needles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 20 Dec 2019 23:28:29 No.1662358 Report

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>>1662338
Two baseball caps worth of tinder. Gather as much kindling as you can find, then get another 50% more.

Tinder goes inside a kindling log cabin or tee pee (depends on whether you like being the Cowboy or Indian).

Set that ablaze. Then wait a few minutes and add your smallest log.

Work your way out from there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 02:02:55 No.1662435 Report

Quoted By: >>1662743 >>1667119

>>1662321
>>1662244
do you know where you are?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 10:02:49 No.1662575 Report

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>>1662336
lighting a stove and lighting an open fire are two completely different things imo, air flows just too weirdly in those things

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 10:49:58 No.1662585 Report

Quoted By: >>1662620

David West on youtube, that guy does nothing but put out fire making videos.

He'll show you how to get ignition no matter what.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T3x6toGFlQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 10:53:42 No.1662587 Report

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Your missing skill which is gained from experience. GTFO and make fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 11:03:03 No.1662591 Report

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This will cover the basic fire lay

https://youtu.be/DduDWdsVmXg

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 11:58:49 No.1662599 Report

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>>1662243
You need to have lots and lots and lots of shit that easily starts burning. Small twigs and the like. You keep feeding that to the fire while the bigger sticks heat up. Once the fire is lit that's all there is to it, you keep constantly feeding it. However much easily burnable stuff you think you need, get a bunch more than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 13:12:14 No.1662620 Report

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>>1662585
This, he's a great resource of tism.

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 17:18:11 No.1662743 Report

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>>1662435

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 17:26:23 No.1662750 Report

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>>1662743
homo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 18:03:36 No.1662764 Report

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>>1662750
Who is this guy? Never heard of him on fourchannel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 19:38:50 No.1662804 Report

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>>1662743
keep yours at discord

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 22:10:06 No.1662884 Report

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>>1662743

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Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 22:43:04 No.1662903 Report

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>>1662884
that image is older than you

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 23:44:04 No.1662934 Report

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>>1662243
"gather how much you think you need, then triple it"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 21 Dec 2019 23:48:11 No.1662939 Report

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>>1662599
This!

Starting a fire without lighter fluid involves having your big ass pile of tinder and kindling pluse various size fuel logs. You must also constantly tend to it.

Also practice practice practice!

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 02:10:24 No.1663003 Report

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>>1662743

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 02:28:40 No.1663012 Report

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>>1662743
>he doesn't know that the weebs on this board actually go outdoors

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 02:34:21 No.1663013 Report

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>>1662743
have you forgotten which board we're on?

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Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 05:58:27 No.1663088 Report

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>>1662208
>Why is starting fires so hard?
>Am i missing something here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT2IzgqPQqk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYTTMojhJgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O3Bj8JFcTc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDsHjhdF_a8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 21:34:00 No.1663384 Report

Quoted By: >>1663403

You want to start with very fine tinder material. This is important and can mean the difference between starting a fire with one match, and a smoking pile of frustration.
If you plan ahead you can bring your own firestarters to make this easier. This isn't as fun or impressive though.
You could use pine needles (not great), the fluffy material inside of bark, finely shaved bits of wood (think of pencil sharpener shavings). You could even bring a pencil sharpener and use that. Whatever you use, it needs to dry. Very dry. Bone dry.
Next, you'll go up a size. Think pencil graphite size. Then pencil size. Then thumb size. Then two finger size. Then wrist size.
You should have these in small piles ready to use.
Don't just dump them all together. Shift the smallest pile onto the ground in a mound. Light this and carefully add bigger and bigger kindling in the shape of a pyramid or teepee.
Once you have achieved this, begin to build a log cabin around this using bigger sticks. Think Lincoln Logs. Eventually you can place a very large log on one side, and simply lay smaller logs against it in the shape of a lean to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 22:06:56 No.1663403 Report

Quoted By: >>1663404 >>1666362 >>1667131

>>1663384
Wow great advice. Until it rains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 22 Dec 2019 22:09:51 No.1663404 Report

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>>1663403
Try starting a small fire inside your car with the windows rolled up instead.

Madsen Maskingevær !!o9Rj2xAYif5

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Madsen Maskingevær !!o9Rj2xAYif5 Sun 22 Dec 2019 22:16:41 No.1663409 Report

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>>1662208
Lol. Just get more firewood lmao haha

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 03:37:37 No.1663553 Report

Quoted By: >>1663560 >>1663650 >>1663722 >>1663731 >>1669066

Clothes dryer lint is the best starting tinder I’ve ever found. It’s about the only thing I’ve ever been able to start a fire with flint and steel. Bring some along in a plastic bag.

All Fields

All Fields Mon 23 Dec 2019 03:41:00 No.1663560 Report

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>>1663553
Weird to see this comment. Maybe 15 minutes ago I wrote a song lyric mentioning dryer lint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 06:54:34 No.1663645 Report

Quoted By: >>1663730

>>1663560
I’ll give you a lyric:
To the tune of twinkle twinkle

Dryer dryer spin so fast
Dryer make my clothes warm fast
Put wet in
Take dry out
Never had a single doubt
Dryer dryer spin so fast
Next time won’t you blow it out your ass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 07:25:12 No.1663650 Report

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>>1663553
It isn't like breathing smoke is good for you or anything to start with, but there's probably extra harm if the lint contains fibers from synthetic materials.

I still agree and use it myself. Takes very little, weighs very little. Great stuff. I had a friend that melted pieces of wax into their lint to keep the initial flame going longer, but I haven't found it necessary. Might be a useful tip if you know it's damp where you're going.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 12:56:18 No.1663722 Report

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>>1663553
>Clothes dryer lint is the best starting tinder I’ve ever found.
Other than your garbage... Waxed oatmeal packets, wax from cheese, oily paper that meat or cheese was wrapped in, etc. Burn like heck and less stuff to pack out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 13:40:56 No.1663730 Report

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>>1663645
Breddy dang gud! Here's what I'd written moments before the above:

In the bottom of the valley is a fire that burns
everything that rolls down hill
Anything that manages to jump over
gets a fifty dollar bill
I would try cause I sure am broke
but my right knee ain't so good
Maybe in a few weeks it'll be better
and work more like it should
If you see any smoke rising over
the ridges anywhere around that time
It's probably me burning up like a clump
of lint from the dryer to the rattle of a few loose dimes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 13:42:38 No.1663731 Report

Quoted By: >>1663744 >>1664344

>>1663553
In boy scouts we learned how to make fire starters with a cardboard (guess you could use styrofoam) egg carton, then you melt wax over the lint. It worked pretty well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 23 Dec 2019 14:21:07 No.1663744 Report

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>>1663731
Yep, buddy burners too.

Put one of these under wet wood and you're saved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGYmINc5yc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 14:41:38 No.1664344 Report

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>>1663731
A tealight candle works ok too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 24 Dec 2019 23:36:36 No.1664619 Report

Quoted By: >>1666012 >>1669070 >>1669263

>>1662208

>be op
>uses bic lighter
>"Why can't I light anything"

Use a ferro rod op

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 20:13:37 No.1666012 Report

Quoted By: >>1666014

>>1664619
I can't get anything but cotton balls to light with a ferro rod.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 20:16:04 No.1666014 Report

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>>1666012
Mash up a cotton ball with vaseline and then light it up with the ferro rod. Absolute bliss, burns forever. Fuck anprims and their all natural locally sourced tinder

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 27 Dec 2019 20:33:19 No.1666026 Report

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>>1662208
>Am i missing something here
Tinder
Make sure you have a good amount of fine, dry tinder once you get that going you are 90% there
don't think 2 receipts and a tissue from your pocket are going to get 1/4in dia. twigs started

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Anonymous Sat 28 Dec 2019 13:28:39 No.1666362 Report

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>>1663403
use a tarp to get out of the rain
build fire protected by the tarp
???
profit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Dec 2019 17:39:15 No.1667119 Report

Quoted By:

>>1662435
Do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Dec 2019 17:45:36 No.1667123 Report

Quoted By: >>1668948

>>1662208
gasoline is damn easy to ignite but burns too fast, almost explodes in your face
diesel is better, not so easy to ignite but burns longer. a bitch to wash off your hands if you mess with it.
oil burns long and slow making lots of heat that dries out wet wood and makes it catch fire.
tldr: good lighters, firestarters, tinder, soak it with oil on wet days. using a propane torch is not a shame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 29 Dec 2019 17:52:12 No.1667131 Report

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>>1663403
Find your tinder first thing, and keep it in an inside pocket of your jacket while you go about your day. It'll be dry by the time you need it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Dec 2019 06:32:15 No.1667527 Report

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>>1662575
Not really, same principles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Dec 2019 06:33:52 No.1667528 Report

Quoted By: >>1668420

you're just not doing the chant

https://youtu.be/UmPY2p6XaEQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 30 Dec 2019 22:47:31 No.1667923 Report

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>>1662208
It isn't.
You are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 03:55:45 No.1668070 Report

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>>1662208
(1) (if necessary) Put up rain shelter (such as a tarp) high over firepit.
(2) (if necessary) Construct windbreak. This might be a pile of rocks and big logs, or even a tarp to the windward side.
(3) Build a teepee of sticks with tinder and smallest twigs at the center, and gradually bigger stuff as you build it out. Build it out to big logs before you light it, just leave a space where you can reach in to light the center.
(4) Strike a big stove match and light the tinder in the middle.
(5) As small stuff burns away, add big stuff early so it has time to dry out and warm up long before the burning stuff is gone.

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Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 15:57:47 No.1668280 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 19:56:05 No.1668387 Report

Quoted By: >>1668404 >>1669788

> dried out some moss/old mans beard in my pocket for hours
> even put some resin in it
> even took it home
> striked it 100+ times but the furthest I got was 1 second of flame and some time burning sparks that went out in less than 5 seconds
I guess Ill try again with more moss, or birch, or feather sticks... I dont know....

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 20:34:57 No.1668399 Report

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>>1662239
>/a/

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Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 20:39:37 No.1668402 Report

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>>1662743

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Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 20:43:39 No.1668404 Report

Quoted By: >>1668502

>>1668387
Just scrape it up into fine shavings and drop a spark on it. I've seen 1 video on it and did it first try.
Also you need to put another piece in the flame, the one you just scraped won't catch fire from the shavings lying on it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 21:32:13 No.1668420 Report

Quoted By:

>>1667528
does this actually work

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 23:24:15 No.1668465 Report

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fire is actually hard to do. this is why throwing cigarette butts around never starts a fire

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 31 Dec 2019 23:28:29 No.1668466 Report

Quoted By:

i use to be able as a kid, but last time i tried it just went out

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2020 00:05:29 No.1668476 Report

Quoted By: >>1668504 >>1669269 >>1669805

>>1662208
i know mocking american people is a shitty meme from an eurofag, but i was shocked when i saw most regular joes being unable to light a fire without fucking gasoline. i know most of you can do it easy, but that still looked like something common in usa. is it really the case btw?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2020 01:04:28 No.1668502 Report

Quoted By: >>1669269

>>1668404
Fuck that.
I tried so hard to light the moss but it didnt work.
I even lit a paper tower on fire and put the moss on it and it barely lit, the resin nuggets in side it worked well though.

I need to try different materials.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2020 01:05:45 No.1668504 Report

Quoted By:

>>1668476
You would be shocked at how little children are taught in America

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2020 21:24:40 No.1668862 Report

Quoted By:

>>1662208
>Am i missing something here?
candles man cheapest easiest way to start a fire:
lighter+candle

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2020 21:47:46 No.1668889 Report

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My method is to saw some one footers and batonny chop chop them into dry sticks and maybe thin shingles if the grain is good enough. Also birch bark that shit catches like gasoline in any condition. If you luck out and find a fallen birch tree that's all rotted out you can just manhandle it a bit until the insides fall out and you'll be left with a giant hollow tube of fire starting material.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Jan 2020 23:33:38 No.1668948 Report

Quoted By: >>1669177

>>1667123
that's why i'm telling you all it's candles:
>not messy
>easy to pack
>lasts long no issues with storing for a prolonged time
>can be used to seal or waterproof things
>can be used to make tinder (soak wood or cloth in it)
>can be used for lighting
>ignites readily
>burns reasonably long
liquids are usually messy stink and don't last well problematic to store damage will result in leakage increase fire hazard fumes unhealthy...

candles are simply put the best

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:30:09 No.1669066 Report

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>>1663553
Super pozzed. If you're going to bring literal garbage from home just bring a nice lighter

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 03:32:37 No.1669070 Report

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>>1664619
Try actually going outside, moron.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 08:03:54 No.1669172 Report

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Lighting a fire is a lot in the prep. You need some toothpick sized wood or grass or something that goes up very easily and make sure the flame it starts feeds up to slightly larger stuff and so on. A lot of people mess up in not leaving space between tinder to let air in. Also it is quite hard if the material isn't dry. If it snaps clean when you break it, it's probably dry enough. Best initial starter in nature is birch bark where I'm from. Sap also basically acts like candle wax in extending flame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 08:26:00 No.1669177 Report

Quoted By: >>1669260

>>1668948
You could also just bring a small tub of vaseline and a little plastic bag with loose cotton pad. It won't take much space at all and each little cotton ball you roll up with vaseline will burn for at least 5 minutes entirely on its own, catching a spark from a ferro rod easily. Assuming you only need one or two per fire and you're hiking less than a week ,you'd need a really small amount of the stuff. It's admittedly not quite as sexy as other methods.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 08:59:26 No.1669191 Report

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>>1662208
As an Australian I must disagree

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 12:26:46 No.1669260 Report

Quoted By: >>1669268

>>1669177
again vaseline is messy candles are more multi functional and cleaner. unless you plan on using it as a lube it has no pros to candle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 12:28:08 No.1669263 Report

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>>1664619
yeah lighters never failed me i have a ferro rod but not once in my life i had to resort to it. it's like a backup of backup.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 12:41:56 No.1669267 Report

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>>1662208
Yes a brain

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 12:42:23 No.1669268 Report

Quoted By: >>1669290

>>1669260
It makes more fire with more ease while taking less space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 12:42:59 No.1669269 Report

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>>1668502
>Fuck that.
And, this is the attitude you will have when you die of hypothermia. Gathering and preparing fuel and fire starting materials in the wild takes knowledge, skill, and above all lots of patience.

>>1668476
Such things are not taught in school in any manner. Most parents leave all teaching up to schools and use schools as a drop off point to get rid of their annoyance. The only parents who are different will actually sit their children down and teach them both the stuff they'd learn in school and everything not taught to them in school. The latter of which is a great deal. However, of those parents, only a few teach them any sort of wilderness survival skills, even general ones. You might get something like, "here's how to start the BBQ grill with lighter fluid and briquettes."

Of the people who do teach such things they are usually associated in some manner with groups like scouts. However, there's a new trend called, "wilderness therapy," where parents drop off their kids so they can play outside with a group. Though, adult wilderness therapy groups tend to do more stuff like hiking and camping.

Basically, it is a shitshow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Jan 2020 13:41:52 No.1669290 Report

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>>1669268
not really no i have made fire with a lighter and a tea candle in dripping wet conditions after a while the fire became self sustaining drying out wood on it's own. candle wax soaked up by wood is insanely good shit. it's basically fatwood you can make and doesn't smell. it stands up to trial in the extremes even when magnesium blocks would fail you.

now obviously you can use any fuel from kerosene to lamp oil and vaseline even but nothing stores as cleanly and long as candles nothing packs as nicely. no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2020 01:17:50 No.1669754 Report

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>>1662239
If your a fucking retard maybe

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2020 02:11:19 No.1669788 Report

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>>1668387
birch bark always does the trick for me

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Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2020 02:25:45 No.1669802 Report

Quoted By: >>1669803

>get tinder of variously hick young
>get tinder of some kind, including stuff like dried pine needles, birch bark, cardboard, newspapers, etc
>place at bottom of fire pit
>place small dry branches on top of accelerant like a tent
>place larger preferably dry logs in top of that
>Use a decent lighter
>light a small bundle of tinder until you get a spark
>blow on spark in the small tinder bundle
>place beneath fire
>blow on fire until it catches the smaller pieces of wood
Shitty cigarette lighters don't work well with wing and rain/ snow present. Matches are alright if they're good quality, ferrocerium rods are the best

EZ

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2020 02:26:47 No.1669803 Report

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>>1669802
>>get tinder of variously hick young
>>get tinder of some kind, including
*>get wood of various thickness

Mobile posting rn because I somehow have connection

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 03 Jan 2020 02:29:17 No.1669805 Report

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>>1668476
Depends where in the USA. The less population density there is in a given area, the more likely they have some knowledge of wilderness survival.

There are very few people in Wyoming, Montana, and Alaska who don't know how to properly light a fire

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