>>167545yeah, these days I use mine for festivals mostly. If me and the gf are out in the peak or lake district, we're from Manchester, and we want something lighter and more compact if the weather is good, then I can recommend blacks octane tents. Lighter than the vango, easier to setup, BUT not as waterproof, 3000mm rating, so it is a trade off. Though we've experienced some pretty shitty weather in ours and we were just fine. It's also not cheap, though it is in the sale at the minute for £100 online. I used to work at blacks years ago so I got a great deal on mine. Would I pay full price of 150? Nah, but 100? Yeah I would.