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Anonymous Sat 31 Aug 2013 15:40:06 No.189163 View View Reply Original Report

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Hello /out/

I am thinking of buying a realiable knife to use when going /out/ and I don't want any rambo tacticool shit

So I landed on Fällkniven S1 (yes it's under military knives but the reason for that is that the Swedish military enjoyed Fällkniven A1, F1 and S1. I too used A1 during my service and enjoyed that knife alot).

As I live in Sweden I am quite biased to Swedish quality steel and will try this blade. Have anyone of you guys used it and might have some recommendations regarding?

http://www.fallkniven.com/en/shop/details/434/10/military-knives/s1l

ThatKnifeGuy

ThatKnifeGuy Sun 01 Sep 2013 02:48:53 No.189455 Report

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Fallkniven has made some amazing damn knives, if you plan on going with that one, then /thread. It might be military, but it is an extremely well outdoor/survival knife.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 03:46:18 No.189495 Report

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I have an F1 and have been very pleased with it, assuming the S1 is just a bigger version I'm sure you'll be satisfied.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 05:09:08 No.189518 Report

Quoted By: >>189535 >>189548

Let's look at it this way.

It's a reasonable design, full tang blade, of a decent steel, without any crappy ass combat finger guards to get in the way of actual work.

On the downside...it's a $150 knife, which is outside the realm of most forms of sanity.

ThatKnifeGuy

ThatKnifeGuy Sun 01 Sep 2013 05:44:00 No.189535 Report

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>>189518

>most forms of sanity

Have you looked at the price of Busse knives?? They can easily out price 150 bucks, ppl will still drop the cash to buy it. 150 though a lil high, is still pretty damn good for that knife.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 06:34:12 No.189548 Report

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>>189518
It is expensive, but at a certain point it becomes a love of something (like knives) that makes you willing to spend big money for them. That fallkniven is a gorgeous knife, and if I really wanted one, I wouldn't hesitate to shell out the cash for it. Are there $60 knives that perform as well as it? Definitely. But there's a certain joy of ownership that is priceless.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 09:29:08 No.189591 Report

Quoted By: >>189677 >>189741 >>190629

Buy a Finnish knife instead of a bög knife made in sweden.

Unless you like overpaying for shit.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 13:40:00 No.189654 Report

Quoted By: >>189658 >>190690

How much experience do you have /out/?

Unless a ton, this knife is a waste of money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 13:56:28 No.189658 Report

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>>189654
Why would it be a waste of money?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 14:01:26 No.189661 Report

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>>189658
It usually sounds like a good idea to start with a great knife, so that you never have to change.

Well, it's not really, because tons of things can happen to knives, like you abusing them because you don't know what you're supposed and not supposed to do with it, which will ruin it regardless of its price, or losing them, which sometimes happens.

It's better to start with a cheap and replacable knife and leave the good knives for when you know what you're doing.

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Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 14:53:19 No.189677 Report

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>>189591
>Finnish knife over Swedish Knife

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 16:31:26 No.189741 Report

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>>189591
e du bög?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 01 Sep 2013 17:08:53 No.189763 Report

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>>189661
any tips on what not to do with a knife innawoods?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 02 Sep 2013 23:50:15 No.190419 Report

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>>189763
Dont bash the sharp pointy bit against a rock. That breaks the cutty cutty extra super fun-power of the knife.

Dont let sugar get on it and stick there, wash it off if you use it to stir your coke or whatever.
Yeah, dont push the knife into stone.

Another point is that all the Fällkniven knives are pretty much good-expensive tier knives. If you go to war, or do an into the wild-thing you might do things that might put more strain on your knife or be in a situation where it absolutely cannot break (Eg. combat). You dont have that problem as a happy camper.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 01:37:53 No.190460 Report

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>Fallkniven bros

God, I thought I was the only one. I've been using an A1 for years. Damn reliable survival knife, and apparently it comes well recommended for innawoods. I agree, personally.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 03:03:00 No.190513 Report

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>>189163
cheap and realiable

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 08:33:38 No.190629 Report

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>>189591
Swedish knives are higher quality for their cost at any given price range, so why would a non-Finn get an inferior Finnish knife over a Swedish one?

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 09:39:47 No.190642 Report

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Buck 119

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 10:16:16 No.190645 Report

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>>189163
>Fällkniven S1

Swebro here. It's not that it's a bad knife, but it's too expensive and too fancy for what you really need.

I guess it's the ol' "just buy a Mora", but I actually have a better recommendation.

Buy an Ahti. They're basically Mora-style scandi stick tangs, but fancier, with nicer blades and not much more expensive.

From the top:
Norwegian Tröndelag knife (expensive showpiece with silver)
Ahti Juhla (Fancy finnish style ~98 usd / 650 sek)
Ahti Tikka (Woodworking knife ~35 usd / 230 sek)
Ahti Kaira (Hunting knife
~71 usd / 470 kr)
Ahti Korpi (Woods knife ~55 usd / 360 kr)
KJ Eriksson Mora (From my military service, well worn)
KJ Eriksson Mora (My grandfather's Mora, notable because the spine is rounded from all the hammer blows it's gotten - stick tangs are much more durable than people think)

I bought the Ahti's from Lamnia.fi. The brand offers so many handle and blade variations you should be able to find something that suits you perfectly. I personally love the oval handle of the Juhla, but the Korpi is the best all rounded one for general use. If you feel you need a guard, the Kaira is great, but be warned the handle is for large hands.

I'd also like to point out the sheaths, because they're very nicely made in leather, with different carrying styles and they all (uncommonly for leather sheaths) have drainage holes at the bottom.

Lycka till och kom ihåg att det viktigaste är att hitta en kniv du inte drar dig för att använda!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 10:18:54 No.190646 Report

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>>190642
how that penis size working out for you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 10:28:34 No.190648 Report

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>>190646

Good enough for your aunt and sister so, I mean ask your uncle and dad how I compare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 10:29:28 No.190649 Report

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>>189661

This guy knows what's up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 12:07:36 No.190667 Report

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>>189163
>I don't want any rambo tacticool shit
>So I landed on Fällkniven S1

have fun with your neckbeard rambo 2.0 knife.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 12:19:07 No.190670 Report

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You can save a good bit of money buy buying a quality blade blank and putting the handle on yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 13:39:41 No.190690 Report

Quoted By: >>190696

>>189654
>>189661

This, pick up a cheap knife that has a decent following, something like a mora. Use it for a season or two to find out what you really want/need in a knife.

There is no best knife, only the best for an individual.

People who whittle seem to like comfortable handles and tough, easy to sharpen HC steel.

Some minimalists go for serrations (some utility oriented ones have it on the spine) to get more of a jack of all trades. Whereas to many "true /out/doorsmans" serrations are an abomination.

If you like being rough and going for long trips consider a steel you can sharpen on a river stone.

I had some cheap crkt folder for 2 years (and it`s still useful, lend it to friends if they don`t have one) before I could confidently say what was important to me and now I have a knife that as dear to me as my dog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 13:57:31 No.190692 Report

Quoted By: >>190697

Fällkniven S1

It's made out of VG-10; a great steel for knives but I would not pair it with a convex grind. It's apparent sharpness will not be very impressive (for the price).

If you're going to go to a convex grind then use a tougher steel like D2 (it's bigger carbides won't matter on the convex grind). It will hold it's edge for a VERY long time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:07:16 No.190696 Report

Quoted By: >>190703

>>190690
>serrations

Absolutely disgusting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:08:53 No.190697 Report

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>>190692
I also don't see why they bothered to laminate VG-10, at 15% chrome it should handle the elements just fine, I'd rather buy a solid VG-10 blade than one wrapped in 420, it will not look pretty after years of fire-striking and batoning

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:11:10 No.190699 Report

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>>189163
mfw browsing /out/ but not buying a mora.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:15:29 No.190703 Report

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>>190696

You act like you never served as a field engineer in ww1

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:41:45 No.190713 Report

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:44:46 No.190716 Report

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>>190713
wow that's some really gr8 b8 m8

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:47:20 No.190719 Report

Quoted By: >>190720 >>190736 >>190852

>>190703

Well, when WWI comes back you can use that terrible shitty design. Until then, carry this if you need to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:51:22 No.190720 Report

Quoted By: >>190722

>>190719
man. this just sucks.
are you into /out/ or just having a nice kidshit time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:53:07 No.190722 Report

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>>190720

Sucks more than a serrated dagger? Really?

Well you go back to playing soldier with your airshit buddies then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:53:21 No.190723 Report

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>>190716
thanks. spending some decent mon into it. could cut yur leg. but we are buddies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:54:37 No.190724 Report

Quoted By: >>190727

Cheap and great quality.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 14:56:04 No.190727 Report

Quoted By: >>190731 >>190775 >>190852

>>190724
Oops forgot the pic

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 15:22:04 No.190731 Report

Quoted By: >>190735 >>190775 >>190852

>>190727

Great value folding knife, but not a primary outdoors blade. No folding knife should be your primary outdoors blade.

Good secondary though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 15:42:11 No.190735 Report

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>>190731
Good to know, thx

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 15:42:56 No.190736 Report

Quoted By: >>190737

>>190719

mention some minimalists like serrations.

>mfw you recommend bringing a whole separate tool

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 15:52:10 No.190737 Report

Quoted By: >>190778

>>190736

1) Serrations are useless for almost all outdoors tasks.
2) A serrated or partially serrated knife in the outdoors only takes away from your effective edge and prohibits sharpening
3) Using a backspine serration to cut notches is always awkward if not borderline stupid
4) You can bring an ultralight saw if that was what you needed.
5) If you honestly can't fit one in and you still need a shitty saw, take a survival saw.

I've talked a bit with "minimalists" and I've never heard anyone who claimed serrations were useful. In fact the limitations of serrations become even more of a problem when you've got fewer tools.

If you want to bring serrated knives because you like how they look, go right ahead. You'll be in your backyard anyway, so it won't be a problem.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 17:55:16 No.190775 Report

Quoted By: >>190779 >>190795

>>190727
Best knife ever.

>>190731
Can you explain me why ? I'm really interested.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 17:56:59 No.190776 Report

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>>189163
I would'nt pay 150$ for a knife with a plastic handle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:02:01 No.190778 Report

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>>190737
Serrations have their use. That use is cutting webbing or rope. Or bread. Or tomatoes. For a pocketknife though its useless. And a good sharp knife with a thin blade will cut rope better than a serrated one.

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:04:07 No.190779 Report

Quoted By: >>190801

>>190775
That's not a buck 110

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:18:55 No.190786 Report

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>>189163
>using a knife like that just to eat and feel super special

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:25:35 No.190788 Report

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:32:13 No.190795 Report

Quoted By: >>190797 >>190835

>>190775
>Can you explain me why ? I'm really interested.

All folding knives are inherently weak and rely on their pivot to absorb all the force, whereas a stick tang or full tang can absorb much more energy. Folding knives are also very sensitive to negative force - force pushing down on the blade.

As long as you use it wisely and carefully a folding knife will get you far. You can easily survive your camping trip or dayhike with one. But if you are going to be doing real work outdoors, making a camp, splitting wood, doing woodwork or extended cutting.. it's just never going to compare to a fixed blade and you run the risk of having a blade failure and possible injury.

That said, the knife you've got is better than the one you didn't bring. I keep a super thin Douk Douk (slipjoint) in my EDC kit just to be sure I have a knife. It weighs nothing, is nice and sharp and takes up no space. It also has the advantage that you can beat the metal ends around the blade and wrap the handle to get a "hard use folder".
The Douk Douk is also a french knife incidentally, and it's dirt cheap (as you might expect from a blade with a folded piece of metal for a handle).

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:32:52 No.190796 Report

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>>190788
I want use my knoife. Not storing it in the shelve. i would buy a kabar becker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:33:15 No.190797 Report

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>>190795
>rely on their pivot to absorb all the force

Well, I should have said "mainly". Depending on the construction the force will be spread onto the stop pin and lock bar too. But I think you get the point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:35:44 No.190799 Report

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>>190788

I've heard rumblings about Bark River knives failing due to poor grinding heating the blade and destroying the heat treat. (Read the discussion yourself by searching for "bark river fail", people have chipped or outright broken these "hard use" tools on easy tasks).

They sure are pretty though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 18:36:42 No.190801 Report

Quoted By: >>190953

>>190779
>That's not a buck 110

Murrican detected.

[spoiler:lit]I love them[/spoiler:lit]

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 19:44:17 No.190835 Report

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>>190795
Ok thanks, you got a point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 20:11:08 No.190852 Report

Quoted By: >>190864 >>190890 >>190953

>>189535
I don't CARE who makes it, there is no real quality difference between a good $100 knife and a $500 knife.

>>189548
Yeah, the "collector value" of things is the only reason you should shell out that kind of money for a blade...but at that point it's a prop, a toy, not a tool.

>>189661
Because "good" knives are magically less prone to breakage and loss than "cheep" knives, when a "cheep" knife in this case is a equally well made commercial blade?

>>190419
This implication that this knife is less prone to break than any other (cheaper) knife of similar steel and manufacture is hilarious.

>>190719
Quality, if a bit small for some uses.
>>190727
My preferred EDC pocket knife. Also, I have another that lives in my cook kit.

>>190731
Primary blade, no, primary knife, sure, if you're of the machete/axe using mindset...there's no real reason to carry a mora over an opinel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 20:24:04 No.190864 Report

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>>190852
>This implication that this knife is less prone to break than any other (cheaper) knife of similar steel and manufacture is hilarious.

Well.. Medford makes "knives" that are essentially prybars, so it is possible.

>>190852
>Primary blade, no, primary knife, sure, if you're of the machete/axe using mindset..

Fair point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 20:52:14 No.190890 Report

Quoted By: >>190902

>>190852
tl; dr

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 21:17:24 No.190902 Report

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>>190890
Knock knock

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Anonymous Tue 03 Sep 2013 23:05:14 No.190953 Report

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>>190852
>not edcing a SAK.

>>190801
American by birth, Texan by the grace of god. I do love me an Opinel though, the one in pic related was my grandfather's tackle box knife. It's still shaving sharp, they're actually really good for cleaning fish but for a mammal of eating size I'll take the buck any day.

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Anonymous Wed 04 Sep 2013 00:21:37 No.190990 Report

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Don't know if you still care OP, but the Ontario Blackbird SK-5 might be up your alley. Would serve the same purpose, but is around 40-50 bucks cheaper.

The nylon sheath it usually comes with looks a little tacticool, but I've heard it is very solid.

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