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Homegrowmen (Farming and Gardening) Thread #6

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 12:59:11 No.213984 View View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 13:04:38 No.213987 Report

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>>213984
I just doubled checked all the links and they are still working. I also revised the list a little and added a new link ( http://nchfp.uga.edu/ ).

There's a little room for more links and info if anyone wants to add some.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 13:26:09 No.213996 Report

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>>213987
>US Farm Income and Taxes
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx

>US Grants and Loans for Small Farms
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml

>Managing Risks on Your Small Farm
http://agmarketing.extension.psu.edu/begfrmrs/MangRiskSmllFrm.pdf

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 14:50:41 No.214050 Report

Quoted By: >>214053 >>214152

>>213884
Oh sorry, You're right, I forgot.
You can raise rabbits together with chicken. I only have the infographic sorry, but you can check in this websites more about it.
http://www.backyardchickens.com
http://www.chickenchecklists.com

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 14:57:29 No.214053 Report

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>>214050
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/7884798/Rabbit_Production_Manual

Nice.

I'm also preparing my chicken coop for winter so the winterizing info on backyardchickens is coming in handy,

http://www.backyardchickens.com/a/winter-coop-temperatures

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 18:58:36 No.214150 Report

Quoted By: >>214253 >>214348 >>221063

THIS is why I love gardening!

8.75 pounds of organic heirloom carrots: purple (Cosmic Purple), red (Atomic Red), orange (short [Royal Chantenay] and long [Tendersweet and Danvers 126]), yellow (Solar Yellow), and white (wee tiny white ones are young Queen Anne's lace).

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 19:02:59 No.214152 Report

Quoted By: >>214180 >>218926

>>214050

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 20:30:11 No.214180 Report

Quoted By: >>214203

>>214152
That's a good idea, making a rabbit x chicken coop.

If I built one I'd want to put wheels on it so I could move it around so the chickens could fertilize different areas as needed.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 21:49:41 No.214203 Report

Quoted By: >>214249 >>214743

>>214180
You can actually combine this stuff with aquaculture and further combine it with vermiculture.

A chicken/rabbit tractor is a nice thing to have for the off season garden beds.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:16:50 No.214249 Report

Quoted By: >>214743

>>214203
don't forget to put some crawfish in that tank

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2013 23:51:03 No.214253 Report

Quoted By: >>214356

>>214150
Fuck yeah, good stuff anon. Those juicy carrots make me keen to start gardening again once I finally move houses

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 01:19:22 No.214287 Report

Quoted By: >>214356

>>213984
Why are we still using that stupid type of pic?

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 03:07:44 No.214348 Report

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>>214150

Every time I grow carrots they come out stunted and looking like they grew next to Fukushima. How do you get yours to grow so well/straight/un-mutated?

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 03:33:39 No.214356 Report

Quoted By: >>214441 >>214457 >>214458 >>214466

>>214253
Yes, start gardening again. At least do container gardening.

>>214287
There's 3 of those pics. They've been around since...2009 on /ck/, /diy/, and now /out. They are easy to spot and recognize. It'll probably get used until you sperg out or something.

>>214348
It is the soil mostly. Spacing is also an issue. I use aged horse manure, chicken manure, yard clippings, peat moss, and sand on my garden. All the biomass added was aged 1-2 years.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 07:37:11 No.214439 Report

Quoted By: >>214498

Here's an informative aquaponics thread on /diy/

>>>/diy/534797

Personally, I think the solar powered variants are the way to go.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 07:47:36 No.214441 Report

Quoted By: >>214456 >>214498

>>214356
>3 of those pics

I consider them an insult to gardeners.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 09:15:37 No.214456 Report

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>>214441

Well, time to grow up.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 09:16:40 No.214457 Report

Quoted By: >>214466 >>214498

>>214356

Fucking Christ man I want to get into this stuff but there's soooooooo much to learn. My head is spinning

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 09:19:24 No.214458 Report

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>>214356

Question - where do they let the manure age and in what?

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 09:36:48 No.214466 Report

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>>214356
>peat moss
damn brah, try avoid it and use alternatives if you can
>>214457
Go to your local bookstore and buy a book or two on gardening (organic gardening is better all round, so if you can be bothered, try go with that). The best way to learn is literally by doing. Read a few pages of your book/ books each night and just start doing your garden. its not always a happy ride; poor soils, frosts, mildews, floods, heat stress, viruses, aphids, herbivores - they'll all get in your way at one point or another. but you learn from each failure and come back better equipped.

Providing its good weather you should head out over the weekend and start making a garden bed or ripping out an overgrown one to get started as soon as possible.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 11:08:20 No.214488 Report

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>>202650
Robinson Crusoe would like to have a word with you.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 11:12:50 No.214490 Report

Quoted By: >>214494 >>214498

Person who hasn't really ever grown anything here. I have an empty coffee can that I don't want to waste so I'm going to poke holes in it and fill it with soil, then try to grow something in it.

What should I grow? I live in North GA. I'm looking at the "what to plant now" thing from the OP and it looks like garlic is a viable option, which is good because I use a fuckton of garlic. Of course, I don't expect to have enough garlic from this to even begin to meet my needs, but I'll probably do this with every can I empty.

Any general tips on garlic or growing out of coffee cans? I'll be leaving it on my porch which gets direct sunlight for half the day. Will I have to cover the plant or bring it inside when the temp drops into the 30s?

Thanks friends.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 11:43:24 No.214494 Report

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>>214490
snow peas, man. easy, tasty, quick.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 12:20:12 No.214498 Report

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>>214441
It is part of the old Gentlemen meme from 2008. This is 4chan after all.

>>214439
I agree. Where I live there are too many power outages to be relying on the grid for aquaponics. I'd probably have wind turbines (VAWT) instead of solar though.

>>214457
Start with what you like to eat. Focus on growing that and researching about it.

>>214458
Manure needs to age so that oxygen can get to it. The easiest way is to have enough growing space to let one section be fallow. On that section you pile compost, fresh manure, etc and turn it once in a while if it is really thick. As part of crop rotation that section will age and replenish soil nutrients. Next season you till it and plant while leaving a different section fallow to repeat the process. I recommend planting a cover crop too.

>>214466
>damn brah, try avoid it and use alternatives if you can

It is fine so long as you don't use a too much. The main concern with peat moss is the destruction of peat bog habitats. It is best used in seedling potting soils where as manure and compost are best used for your main gardening soil. If you can't get compost or manure, use peat moss to condition help your soil.

>>214490
Garlic is pretty easy to grow in containers. I do it for the green tops on occasion. They do fairly well with a window that gives 4 hours of direct sun light each day. Garlic tolerates frost, but will have problems when temps are in the 20F range. You can still bring them in if temps are in the 30F range.

>What should I grow?

Whatever you like to eat. If you have a sunny window you can grow quite a bit. Take this setup for instance. That window gets 4 hours of sunlight or less. So, a cardboard window box was made to help reflect ambient light back to the plants. For a window that gets a little more sunlight only white-painted reflectors would be needed. This one gets less, so it uses aluminum foil reflectors.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 12:43:17 No.214504 Report

Quoted By: >>214508

Hello everyone, I have a question and this seems like the right place to ask. About two months ago I planted a sunflower seed not really expecting it to grow, I then found out a couple days after that the seed started to grow.
I took care of it since then and it has bloomed, but it started to grow other buds all around it, as you can see in this picture. I want to know if I should be concerned about them or if this is the way sunflowers grow? Also, sorry if I seem like i don't know what I'm doing. I'm a beginner at this

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 13:06:00 No.214508 Report

Quoted By: >>214564

>>214504
Those are definitely just additional sunflower flower heads coming in...

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 16:13:15 No.214564 Report

Quoted By: >>214582

>>214508
I always thought that sunflowers only grew one head, and I wanted to know if I need to start giving it more water or do something extra, other than giving it a lot of room to grow, giving it good soil, and giving it water

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 17:02:35 No.214582 Report

Quoted By: >>214587

>>214564
You can actually shop those extra flowers off to that the main flower will have more energy and produce larger better seeds. It is up to you to decide as it won't affect things all that much.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 17:15:46 No.214587 Report

Quoted By: >>214712

>>214582
alright, thanks. I guess I'll let them be since I never really had a plan to eat the seeds it grew

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 22:03:12 No.214712 Report

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>>214587
I've never really seen a sunflower with multiple heads. Perhaps you can save the seeds it gives and grow them to see if those too will have multiple heads.

I had a single stalk of flint corn that had 1 ear per leaf all the way from the bottom to the top of the plant. There were 9 ears of corn on that single plant. I was going to save the seed in hopes to have a new cultivar, but racoons tore it down and ate everything even before the corn was fully ripe. I was pretty disappointed. Now I use a 15,000 volt solar fence charger to keep racoons out of my stuff.

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Anonymous Tue 22 Oct 2013 22:09:45 No.214714 Report

Quoted By: >>217079 >>218889 >>219550

I had a good day's work cleaning, tying up, and thinning out this raised bed of volunteer tomato plants. I wasn't going to do anything with them, but some are just loaded with tomatoes. So, today I took some used natural gas pipe (free from well tenders and well companies here) and 6mm thick plastic to make a tunnel over them. The gas pipe is just cut to length and stuck into the block holes down to the ground.

The soda bottles I've been saving up from family and friends for like 6 years now. Normally, I'd fill them all the way up, but since there's a chance they might freeze and bust in this tunnel, I decided to fill them only 2/3 to 3/4 full. They are for thermal mass; to absorb sunlight, turn it into thermal energy, and release it when it gets cooler at night.

The tunnel isn't finished. I plan on putting some trim around the bottom and fix up the edges. I just didn't have enough energy or daylight to finished it today.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 00:42:14 No.214743 Report

Quoted By: >>214775

>>214203
>>214249
Not sure if trolls. Please ellaborate.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 01:28:17 No.214757 Report

Quoted By: >>214764 >>214770

I planted a raspberry cane a couple months ago (ausfag) and it's already flowering. I was under the impression that raspberries don't generally produce until their second year, or will these flowers not produce fruit?

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 01:46:39 No.214764 Report

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>>214757
they might get a few, think i got 2-3 flowers the first year on my blackberry
black/raspberry etc produce tons in the 2nd year though

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 01:53:00 No.214770 Report

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>>214757
There are a few raspberry cultivars that will bloom soon after planting if they are taken care of well. There are also some that bloom and fruit two times a year, once in the spring and one in the late summer. I have red raspberries that are like that.

Normally, on the 4th year the entire plant's root system will be fully mature and your crops will be excellent. I'm nearing the 4th year for a massive amount of blackberries I planted. Right now this year's new canes are huge; much larger than all previous years. Next year's crop will be outstanding baring bad weather or a plague of Japanese beetles. I have an army of chickens patrolling the area so I have high hopes.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 02:01:39 No.214775 Report

Quoted By: >>220507

>>214743
Not trolling.

Okay, aquaculture is normally just aquatic animals (fish, crayfish, snails, etc), microbes, and various vegetables (lettuce, tomatoes, etc). You feed the animals and their feces feeds the microbes in the entire system which turns the feces into useable nutrients for the vegetables.

You can couple chickens with this by having a few over top the tanks of water for the aquatic animals. The chicken's roost in their coop can be over the tanks since they will crap a lot during the night. You need to monitor this correctly of course so things do not get unbalanced.

Vermiculture is the where you raise worms which make compost and worm casting. The worms can be fed to the chickens and aquatic animals. Black soldier flies can also be raised for feeding chickens and aquatic animals as well as being used to compost things. Rabbit cages can be above an area where the chickens can peck through their droppings and help process them.

With a large system you can grow duck weed to freeze into cubes for storage to feed some types of aquatic life as well as your rabbits and chickens.

There's tons of ways you can do these systems so they are small or huge and be one big energy-nutrient cycle. All you need to do is monitor the water's chemical/nutrients properly so things stay in balance.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 08:55:10 No.214967 Report

Quoted By: >>214968 >>215019

do you guys know if its to late to plant wheat this year?

i wanted to do a test grow in a 6 foot (6in) PVC pipe grow tower, to see if it be a viable method come spring,i was going to build about 6-10 of them to get as much wheat as space would allow me to have but like i said i want to see it if would work with a test tower first

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 09:01:34 No.214968 Report

Quoted By: >>214975

>>214967

Winter wheat? I guess it all depends on where you're at.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 09:27:49 No.214975 Report

Quoted By: >>214979

>>214968
im in the bread basket (AKA kansas)

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 09:38:24 No.214979 Report

Quoted By: >>214983

>>214975

"Most of the wheat grown in Kansas is winter wheat. Winter wheat is planted in the fall. After it frosts in the fall, the wheat plants stop growing for the winter."

According to http://www.crh.noaa.gov/ict/?n=freeze the first freeze in Kansas is.... now, so I'm afraid it's a bit late to start. However, you can grow plenty of stuff in your window sill over the winter, as long as it stays warm and gets enough light. Maybe not wheat though.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 09:55:39 No.214983 Report

Quoted By: >>214990

>>214979
i see. so if i start it off inside for a few weeks then move it outside and let the frost get it will it grow as normal?
hoping the seeds get here soon so i can get started before its to late and i have to wait to plain spring wheat (i think thats a thing...)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 09:58:33 No.214984 Report

Quoted By: >>215023

Anyone here grow or use duckweed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVogwEYXGLo

This stuff sounds too good to be true. It's practically free feed for fish, chickens, etc.
Much like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5RrGFBbbSY

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 10:13:12 No.214990 Report

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>>214983
heres what i got because cheap
http://www.amazon.com/Organic-Wheat-Seeds-Hard-Winter/dp/B005VRRL86/ref=pd_sim_lg_5

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 12:55:57 No.215019 Report

Quoted By: >>215150

>>214967
>do you guys know if its to late to plant wheat this year?

Check the "what to plant now" link in the OP.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:09:33 No.215023 Report

Quoted By: >>215024

>>214984
I've been meaning to order some for my pond so I can use it for later projects. eBay seems like a good place to get "Lemna minor".

It is great for aquaponics systems that use animals that eat plants like tilapia, grass carp, koi, crayfish, etc. It is usually grown in a separate tank in the system, harvested often, and chunks are compressed and frozen for later feeding.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 13:10:35 No.215024 Report

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>>215023
http://www.mobot.org/jwcross/duckweed/fish.htm

I meant to post this link too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 16:52:23 No.215080 Report

Quoted By: >>215084

I just might start a cheap, sustainable IBC tote solar set-up. I have a lot of research to do, but my goals are to produce enough fatty, omega-3 laden fish to sustain my canned herring habit and cultivate some plants on the shit. Duckweed, maybe. Research and planning, research and planning.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 17:07:56 No.215084 Report

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>>215080

I'm with you. Aquaponicly growing plants is nice and all, but I have dirt for that. What I'm more interested in is the talapia, crayfish, and catfish. Being inland, I could probably sell any excess with ease.

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not the NSA Wed 23 Oct 2013 17:19:51 No.215089 Report

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I'd like to see more photographs and descriptions, past or present.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 19:41:55 No.215137 Report

Quoted By: >>215138

Ok guys at lowes 6in pipe or 4in pipe for a grow tower

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 19:43:41 No.215138 Report

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>>215137
Wheat huy btw

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 20:11:12 No.215150 Report

Quoted By: >>215196

>>215019
ok, thanks
any way the pipes come in 10 foot sections having them cut it in have also, im getting a drill to put the holes in it im thinking the holes need to be abut 2'-4' how do i make sure the crop grows out of the holes?

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 21:26:47 No.215196 Report

Quoted By: >>215199

>>215150
You're description confuses me a little.

What I do is mark 4 inch lines on the pipes where I want the holes to be. I have them 4 inches apart from each other too. At each end of the line I drill a hole then I cut the line itself. I use a heat gun to heat up the upper section and a little of the lower section above/below the line. After that I show a glass soda bottle or piece of wood into the slit to widen it out.

That's what you see here in this image. The soil gets tossed in, watered down (it settles some so add more soil after watering) then I plant seeds or plants in the exposed soil. Crops just grow normally from there.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 21:32:35 No.215199 Report

Quoted By: >>215206 >>215229

>>215196
alright... what kind of head gun does it matter...
also getting the heat gun drill/drill pits pipe and bucked/fill at the end of the day its pretty expansive

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 21:37:21 No.215206 Report

Quoted By: >>215229

>>215199
HEAT*
can i just cut the line out using a hacksaw? i dawn want to have to buy a drill/jig saw

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 21:42:33 No.215209 Report

Quoted By: >>215212 >>215350

Hello /out/smen.

You guys helped me out a TON over the growing season and now I am back for your opinion!

I have a border around the front of my house about a foot from a house to the sidewalk and a good 20-25 feet long.

Next year I'd like to make it into a really pretty seasonal flower garden instead of a hodgepodge of plants I threw in there this year.

I'd like to keep the use of marigolds and California poppies, but would like to add some variation in height, texture, color, etc.

If it's not eaten by rabbits and ground squirrels, that is a HUGE plus. I'm pulling out the society garlics next year to separate and replant as a border around my vegetable garden. So I'll have an additional 8' or so of growing space than you see in the photo. Any tips on how to arrange/what to plant? Something that keeps flowering until late summer or fall is best, and it'll have to be hardy against light, late frosts (it frosts occasionally until mother's day some years).

>cont

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 21:44:54 No.215212 Report

Quoted By: >>215213

>>215209

I can work on the bed all winter for any modifications. I'll be pulling up ALL the dirt, laying down chicken wire (for the moles) and then replacing with a richer dirt. So any modifications that can be done, will be. The only thing I can't do is raise the bed higher, because there's air holes for the foundation of my house that cant be blocked there.

Because there's only about a foot, maybe a foot and a half between the wall ad the sidewalk, the plants will have to be able to grow or be trained in that space. There's two windows on one side which I don't want to block, but nothing on the other side.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 21:47:14 No.215213 Report

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>>215212
hit enter early.

The space wraps around the corner where it gains an additional 10' or so, of 100% shaded nearly all-day-long area. The main area gets about, 3-5 hours of direct sunlight and the rest is in the shade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 22:24:51 No.215227 Report

Quoted By: >>215293 >>215303

I'm turning my property into a hobby farm of sorts and I was wondering if anyone has any beekeeping experience. I want to add them to my already growing collection of chickens and dwarf goats.

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Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 22:26:50 No.215229 Report

Quoted By: >>215254

>>215199
>>215206
A cheap Harbor Freight Tools heat gun will work fine. A hacksaw will also be fine, but the drill holes on the ends of the line are to help prevent the plastic from tearing when your widen out the hole. You'll just need to be more careful when widening the holes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 23 Oct 2013 23:26:07 No.215254 Report

Quoted By: >>215299

>>215229
ok
then i just have to buy the drill heat gut and saw now, so that should run me about 70 buck )=

at least seeds cheep right now (1 pound for 2 bucks)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 00:28:49 No.215283 Report

Quoted By: >>215294

Dang, this aquaponics stuff looks great, but I really really don't like fish.
And I think using beavers instead would break some animal cruelty laws.

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 01:01:08 No.215293 Report

Quoted By: >>215303 >>215353

>>215227

I'm looking at beekeeping as well. Besides my regular crop of fruits and veggies, I plan on growing some clover and alfalfa, which is supposed to be good for them (clover honey is the shit), and on top of that can be harvested and fed to rabbits (or goats in your case), so it's a win-win.

As for cheap equipment, check your local craigslist. I always see listings for used beekeeping stuff around where I am.

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 01:04:20 No.215294 Report

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>>215283

You can raise crayfish, though I never cared for them myself.

Whatever you grow/raise and don't use yourself can always be sold for profit ya know.

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 01:11:11 No.215299 Report

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>>215254
Tools are an investment, so it will be money well spent for other projects too. The make sure you read the user instructions for turning off the heat gun. Many have you go from High to Low and stay on Low for x amount of time to let the coils cool off a bit. If you turn it from High to Off, the lack of air flow can cause the remaining heat to damage the heat gun.

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 01:14:36 No.215303 Report

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>>215227
>>215293
I have a few hives. It pays to become a member of whatever local bee keeper's association there is in your area. They have tons of knowledge and hookups for equipment. People even help each other out working with hives and stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 01:46:08 No.215310 Report

Quoted By: >>215331

Wheat guy: Use google for once in your life. Your behavior is unacceptable.

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 02:15:04 No.215331 Report

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>>215310
sorry im just trying my best to be good at stuff

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 03:38:03 No.215350 Report

Quoted By: >>215545

>>215209
>eaten by rabbits and ground squirrels
Throw in some daffodils and they won't fuck with it. Or onions--they won't look bad amongst flowers

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 03:39:16 No.215353 Report

Quoted By: >>215357

>>215293
dude be careful about craigslist. you don't know what kind of shape the equipment is in. Buy some frames that look nice and clean and BAM! Your girls got nosema and don't survive the winter

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 03:46:16 No.215357 Report

Quoted By: >>215462

>>215353

You could disinfect it before use and that would mitigate your chances, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 12:40:56 No.215462 Report

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>>215357
It is a type of fungi, but yes, you should go the extra mile and heat treat the equipment and boxes. Don't reuse someone else's honeycombs. Just tear those out, melt them down and use them for whatever you want. Replace them with brand new was honey comb blanks. While the honeycombs are gone. you can put the boxes into an oven at around 140F for 4 hours. This will kill all nosema types. Make sure you scrape off everything you can in the hives boxes before heat treating.

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 15:39:25 No.215485 Report

Quoted By: >>215503 >>215529 >>215943

http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=35

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Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 17:21:52 No.215503 Report

Quoted By: >>215519 >>218929

>>215485
>http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=35
>Water Sanitation Files
>BioGas
>Fish Farming
>Fresh Water Fish Farming
>The Use or Organic Residues in Rural Communities
>Animal Husbandry
>Animal Traps and Hide Tanning
>Backpacking and Camping Info
>Ethanol Production
>Vetiver Grass
>Homemade Power
>Livestock Information

>tons and tons of PDFs

Nice. Very nice. I'm currently sucking it dry for all its worth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 18:21:22 No.215519 Report

Quoted By: >>215522

>>215503
Flashget! That's a good idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 18:41:23 No.215522 Report

Quoted By:

>>215519
I use version 1.8.1.1002 of Flashget and the latest version of Flashgot. Anything older than 1.8.1.1002 for Flashget was terrible and ad-riddled last I checked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 19:17:16 No.215529 Report

Quoted By:

>>215485

They have some stuff on aquaponics on another page.

http://www.fastonline.org/?page_id=32

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 19:29:38 No.215535 Report

Quoted By: >>215538

I need to kill these aphids once and for all. What do I do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 19:33:48 No.215538 Report

Quoted By: >>215542

>>215535
Order a large amount of lady bugs and dragon flies.and Start owning chickens. bonus points if you make sure none of them can get out but screening in the plant area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 19:35:35 No.215539 Report

Quoted By:

Bible Verse goes here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 19:40:01 No.215542 Report

Quoted By: >>215549

>>215538
I'm in Massachusetts and winter is approaching, and these are all indoors. Been pondering diatomaceous earth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 19:55:23 No.215545 Report

Quoted By: >>215701

>>215350
Daffodils are actually perfect. I'll pick up some bulbs when I can. Maybe I can mix in Tulips too? My granma has a ton of bulbs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 24 Oct 2013 20:03:08 No.215549 Report

Quoted By:

>>215542
Make sure to get food grade. The stuff you can buy at walmart has some added shit in it. I know of few pot growers (in maine)that release lady bugs into there basement operation once or twice a year. It works pretty well for them. At some point al you have to do is sweep up the dead bugs after that eat up all the afids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 01:18:41 No.215610 Report

Quoted By:

How to make a waterproof, soundproof, temperatureproof and maybe also bullet proof cabin, using only earthbags and some wood.
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/8665370/Earthbag_Building_-_The_Tools__Tricks_and_Techniques

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 05:20:14 No.215701 Report

Quoted By:

>>215545
shouldn't be a problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 06:19:18 No.215720 Report

Quoted By: >>215770

Anyone here grow or try growing BSFL (Black Soldier Fly Larva)? Looks like another easy way to produce free chicken/fish feed.

Only problem I've noticed with it is that it isn't very productive in winter, but I'm reading research papers on ways to circumvent that. Seems using a quartz-iodine lamp induces them to breed in the absence of sunlight.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 06:32:52 No.215721 Report

Quoted By: >>215770 >>215807 >>215829

I don't know if this is the thread for this, but my camellias are blooming way out of season this year. Normally they don't bloom until January. I'm in Zone 9.

Anyone else seeing strange flowering behavior?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 13:31:57 No.215770 Report

Quoted By:

>>215720
I have. It is pretty easy to get them started, but as far as winter goes, I suggest stocking up on the larva in the warmer months, freezing them, and using those as feed.

>>215721
I live in a zone 5 area. The past 5-8 years have been really weird. Normally this area gets 4 feet of snow cover on the ground. Two years there have been roses in full bloom in 70F-75F weather on New Year's day. Winters are now just rainy, muddy, with a dusting of snow occasionally or an ice storm here and there. Many winters everything will bud out, thinking it is spring when it is only February and a freeze zaps everything.

It is kind of frustrating when you rely on fruit trees like apples, plums, peaches, and mulberries. Everything got zapped this past season except the peaches and apples which already had fruit set on when the last cold snap hit with frost. So, they made it at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 14:58:34 No.215807 Report

Quoted By:

>>215721
also zone 9 bro here, all is normal flowering except my hibiscus
maybe its the early cold this year?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 16:16:29 No.215829 Report

Quoted By: >>215863

>>215721
I've noticed this, as well. Methinks it has to do with the Sun and increasingly inconsistent weather, but idk

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 18:02:48 No.215863 Report

Quoted By:

>>215829
I think we have a sun worshiper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Oct 2013 23:07:07 No.215943 Report

Quoted By:

>>215485
please add this one in the next OP

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 15:45:42 No.216196 Report

Quoted By: >>216200 >>216256

I know many of my fellow farmer sc/out/s also can lots of food from the garden, so I thought I would clue y'all in on a thread I recently made in /ck/. >>4894767
Anyone who has lots of canning jars knows what a pain it can be to keep them clean and mouse free in storage. Well, I found a cheap container that perfectly first a dozen pint jars. At less than 4$ a container I can finally protect (and keep clean) all my canned food.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 16:04:02 No.216200 Report

Quoted By: >>216233

>>216196
Seems it has already dropped off the board and 404'd.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 17:18:38 No.216233 Report

Quoted By: >>216256

>>216200
The thread is still there, just check the catalogue. Not sure why the link I gave didn't work.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 18:04:30 No.216252 Report

Quoted By: >>216304 >>216306

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Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 18:14:04 No.216256 Report

Quoted By: >>216272

>>216233
>>216196

>>>/ck/4894767

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 19:13:16 No.216272 Report

Quoted By:

>>216256
Thanks!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 21:50:44 No.216304 Report

Quoted By: >>216309 >>216310

>>216252

I'm about to start growing things in my new house next week, I live in Northern Ontario, Canada, and it gets pretty cold during the winters.

What would you suggest are the best things to grow in a container such as this one that will be indoors during the winter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 21:51:45 No.216306 Report

Quoted By:

>>216252
These are always neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 22:00:40 No.216309 Report

Quoted By: >>216318

>>216304
Spinach and other leafy greens

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 22:00:56 No.216310 Report

Quoted By: >>216318

>>216304
>What would you suggest are the best things to grow in a container such as this one that will be indoors during the winter?

I'm not him, but it really comes down to how much light you give your plants. You can grow anything indoors so long as there's enough light. Either it comes from a well exposed window or an array of grow lights.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Oct 2013 22:20:39 No.216318 Report

Quoted By:

>>216309
>>216310

Thank you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Oct 2013 21:22:33 No.216646 Report

Quoted By: >>216650

>400+ PDF BOOKS ON GARDENING
>http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/5247926/400__PDF_BOOKS_ON_GARDENING

So.. is there a particular one out of those 400+ that you should read?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Oct 2013 21:30:38 No.216650 Report

Quoted By: >>216913

>>216646
No, your question is too general to just pick one book. What are you looking for? Are you a beginner and want to know how to start off? Do you want to know about a specific technique, system, or plant? It isn't like a work of genre fiction where you can recommend the best because there's too many subjects in gardening and too many books.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 27 Oct 2013 21:32:31 No.216651 Report

Quoted By:

I harvested my small patch of purple Peruvian corn today. They are pretty neat. The stalks grow up to around 15 feet high.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 10:12:22 No.216913 Report

Quoted By: >>217004

>>216650
Oh, sorry for badly wording my question.

>Are you a beginner and want to know how to start off?
This, mostly. But I like reading in general, and if there's anything interesting then I'm interested.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 12:58:38 No.216963 Report

Quoted By: >>217002 >>217448

hey guys I kinda like what I hear about permaculture but whenever I read or watch videos it seems to take a religious or pseudospirital tone and concepts by the people presenting it. is permaculture like the veganism of growing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 14:02:23 No.217002 Report

Quoted By:

>>216963
>is permaculture like the veganism of growing?

No. Permaculture is just being able to have things go in a loop essentially. You reuse and recycle pretty much everything involved in your gardening and create a system that is a lot more sustainable by itself than modern mono-crop agriculture. It lets you make, use, and return investment instead of make use, make use, repeat. It doesn't drain the land and doesn't get in the way or stop naturally occurring system.

The reason you find so many religious and/or pseudospirital stuff is because the ideals of those philosophy are normally similar to the basics of permaculture. So, those types of people are attracted to it and do it. Those people are usually outgoing and end up making videos and writing books about it.

I am trying to do permaculture as much as possible. Religious and pseudospirital stuff has nothing at all to do with it though. Hell, there's even bits of that crap in the wiki article. then again you can make anything into a religion or, "hippy-dippy" crap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 14:13:27 No.217004 Report

Quoted By: >>217019 >>217556

>>216913
Gardening Basics for Dummies.pdf
Organic Gardening Dummies.pdf

Those are pretty good to get you started, if you can get by the "for dummies" insult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 15:03:20 No.217019 Report

Quoted By:

>>217004
for dummys books aren't horrible noob books, I wouldn't act on one by itself though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 16:12:40 No.217043 Report

Quoted By: >>217054

How do I deal with squash bugs more effectively? This year I just checked them every day and tried to eliminate any eggs I found. I also tried sicking my chickens on them, but the chickens just wanted to eat the squash leaves instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 16:27:17 No.217054 Report

Quoted By:

>>217043
>squash bugs

They taste and smell nasty so chickens don't like to eat them normally. Squash bugs love mulch and using mulch will actually make matters worse. The best thing you can use instead of mulch is black plastic or other smooth material, even bare ground. Crop rotation helps prevent them from being so severe the next year. Hunting the eggs and bugs and removing them by hand are the most effective way to deal with them. Check for eggs once a week at least. Diatomaceous earth around the base of the plant can help. If you use insecticides, use them early on and before harvest (x amount of days before harvest recommended in the instructions of your insecticide.)

I normally wear a pair of thin gardening gloves, look under leaves and start killing them off by hand. A small, hand mirror is handy if you don't want to bend the leaves up.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 17:02:11 No.217079 Report

Quoted By: >>217088 >>217989 >>224528

>>214714
Me here.

It has been about 1 week since I put up the plastic tunnel over the tomato plants. Since then outside temperatures have dropped to around 20F/-6C. I checked the tomato plants today to see how they fared and to pollinate the flowers.

There was a little bit of cold damage in one section (bottom left image). Some fruit and flowers fell off. There's still quite a few fruit and flowers that are doing well. I added more containers of water. All in all, with only 1 layer of plastic, a few days of some snow/sleet, and only 3 days of good sun max, I'd say this did pretty well.

I think I'll add one more layer of plastic over it and see about filling the rest of the surface with containers of water. I need to get some thermometers for air and soil and fix up some vents, if temps get too high inside when the sun is out fully.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 17:07:06 No.217085 Report

Quoted By: >>217105

Anyone else raise ducks? I have 7 Peking ducks so far. Better yet, anyone else have photos of their ducks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 17:12:40 No.217088 Report

Quoted By: >>217094

>>217079

Might painting the bottles a flat black colour be more efficient?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 17:20:37 No.217094 Report

Quoted By: >>218902

>>217088
Yes, in fact some are already painted. I just didn't have enough paint and time to paint them all. Now that they are all inside, I can't paint them until I get replacements for them. So, I'll cover the surface soil with containers, get more containers, paint the extra ones, and exchange them every so often; paint exchange, swap, etc. I'll only need about 10-15 extra containers to paint and start swapping.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 17:45:01 No.217105 Report

Quoted By: >>217107

>>217085
we used to have indian runners
great for pets and pest control (snails and slugs) and delicious eggs
meat, not so much

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 17:50:53 No.217107 Report

Quoted By: >>217109 >>217142

>>217105

Can you let chickens graze near your crops?
If so, how do you keep them from damaging them?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 17:59:31 No.217109 Report

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>>217107
picture is not from a farm, it's from an 'Alm'
which is like a tiny mountain hut in the alps where in summer you herd cattle to let graze on the mountain meadows which are rich and sunny in the summer

usually there is one person living in those mountain huts in the summer, taking care of the livestock

I took this picture when we gave away our ducks because I was moving to a city, anyhow, we gave them to an old guy who lives up there in the summer

as to your actual question, I have no idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 19:17:58 No.217142 Report

Quoted By:

>>217107
If you want to have ducks and chickens take care of pests, the best time to do that is right after plowing both before and after the growing season. They will eat just about anything they can scratch up. Once you have crops in full swing, which are not seedlings still, you can let the birds in for about 15-30 minutes to grab up any insects they like to eat. Then kick them out of the garden or they will start to trash the place. Some breeds are better than others for that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 22:29:03 No.217231 Report

Quoted By: >>217257

Right now I've got some butternut squash going in the raised beds. I planted them a little over a month ago and have lots of butternuts on the vines, but it's starting to get cooler here and I'm worried the colder weather might knock them out before I can harvest most of them. I guess I'll have to put a clear plastic sheet over it or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Oct 2013 22:57:36 No.217257 Report

Quoted By:

>>217231
Yeah, you need to protect them. Frost will zap the heck out of the leaves and kill it. Just about anything over them will work. Even a bed sheet. Keep an eye on the frost advisory weather in your area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 03:28:59 No.217405 Report

Quoted By:

I've dabbled with hydroponics for a while now without very much success because I'm a lazy shit. My dad though is really digging the idea of having tomatoes in winter, however. He'd like for me to make a set-up of sorts in his basement, which is about 7~8 feet into the ground with concrete walls.

I have the knowledge to make a basic set-up but I need some assistance to make them really flourish. For the set up I have the following in mind:

I have an 8-bulb t5 flourescent light, 2'x'4'. I'm thinking that the light can only grant optimal growth rate to like 2~3 Roma Tomato plants. I'm planning on hanging that over a pair of five-gallon buckets with mesh baskets lined with window-screening and filled with a perlite-vermiculite mixture. At the bottom of each bucket will be an air stone running including a timer for the lights to lower the necessary attention to give these plants.

What I'd like some opinions on though, is what pH to maintain them at, as well as the proper use of mycorrhizal fungi. There will be almost no humidity in that basement, but is that a real big issue? What about temperatures for germinating and growing? What do tomato seeds need to germinate since they appear to be much more demanding to germinate than lettuce? I always follow the directions for what amount to add per volume of water, but I'm not sure if that's the best idea. I hear mention about "EC" (Electrical Conductivity?) and I have no idea how important that is.

Basically, I'd like to know how to get the massive growth that some people online report with their plants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 04:39:58 No.217448 Report

Quoted By: >>217524

>>216963

>whenever I read or watch videos it seems to take a religious or pseudospirital tone

I'd add another trait of most permaculture books / videos: they seem to be out for money.

Most gardening books promote a fairly casual, amateur, DIY lifestyle.

On the other hand, permaculture advocates almost always bill themselves as "consultants" and "instructors" who teach the secrets of permaculture for a steep fee.

Smacks too much like a gimmick. (Sort of like a lot of New Age bullshit.) It's really turned me off.

I'm waiting for someone to start sharing free "How To" vids of permaculture solutions that work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 12:46:27 No.217524 Report

Quoted By:

>>217448
Here's a few easy ones,

http://www.wikihow.com/Create-a-Permaculture-Garden

http://permaculturenews.org/2010/10/08/how-to-build-a-permaculture-vegetable-garden/

http://deepgreenpermaculture.com/diy-instructions/starting-your-permaculture-garden/

As you can see permaculture is really easy and a lot people are already doing it without realizing it. In every field and method there are people wanting to make money. Notice the Murray aquaponics DVD are also to make money buying his system or just the DVDs.

Check out this torrent for permaculture:

>12.9 GiB
http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/6520585/permaculture_design_course_box_set

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 14:01:03 No.217556 Report

Quoted By: >>217566 >>217571 >>217585

>>217004
The first one is a trojan...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 14:29:10 No.217566 Report

Quoted By:

>>217556
it would be nice if there was some vetting process for these. I grabbed a torrent of books like that from g I think and it was riddled with shit my av scanner found.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 14:36:10 No.217571 Report

Quoted By: >>217572 >>217585

>>217556
No. Your anti-virus program is giving you a false positive. Update it.

I just checked it out on virustotal which uses 47 different antivirus programs to check for viruses:

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/6db8c1725fb0175db30fd3691e75c4a65894b91fd40ef7ad049c66a323038336/analysis/1383057216/

>Detection ratio: 0 / 42

Check it yourself: https://www.virustotal.com/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 14:37:24 No.217572 Report

Quoted By: >>217668 >>217732

>>217571
So run the .exe file and tell us what happened buddy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 14:58:56 No.217585 Report

Quoted By: >>217772

>>217556
>>217571
>ever needing an antivirus
why.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 18:04:22 No.217668 Report

Quoted By: >>217880

>>217572
There is no .exe, only .PDF

You didn't download the correct file. Learn how to use .torrent magnet files.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 20:29:00 No.217732 Report

Quoted By: >>217880

>>217572
Just in case you don't know how. This is the link you click on and the only link you click on. Everything else is a 3rd party ad that may or may not have malware, adware, or a virus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 21:21:52 No.217772 Report

Quoted By: >>217917

>>217585
back in the day no one who lurked 4chan was retarded enough to need an anti-virus.

nowadays, 4chan is filled with idiots who ventured off of facebook and reddit. those morons are incapable of running ad-block despite it being older than the internet. then they click on shitty ads that prompt you to download an .exe, and not only do they download them, but they are retarded enough to execute the files.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 23:00:46 No.217809 Report

Quoted By: >>217832

So, I'm looking into cheap and easy ways to feed my chickens.

I already read up on duckweed, mealworms, and BSFL.
Is there anything else people use in lieu of commercial feed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 23:33:39 No.217832 Report

Quoted By: >>217833

>>217809
There are several crops you can grow to feed them. Grains, tubers, apples, etc. You can grind several things into a meal and make pellets from it. An antique food chopper can take most anything and render it into a scratch you can dry out for storage. Your kitchen scraps are something to try too, just make sure you double check online before you feed them processed human food scraps. Of course letting them free range as much an area as possible will really help on feed costs.

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Anonymous Tue 29 Oct 2013 23:34:49 No.217833 Report

Quoted By: >>217846

>>217832
>antique food chopper

One of these I mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 00:20:53 No.217846 Report

Quoted By: >>217867

>>217833
AKA mincer.

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 01:13:34 No.217867 Report

Quoted By:

>>217846
>mincer

No, a mincer is a different device actually and are normally used only for meats. A food chopper is used for vegetables and meats. Mincers have interchangeable screens and meat comes out looking like pasta (hamburger).

However, they both render foods into macerated bits and can both work for this sort of application. A food chopper is much coarser.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 01:44:34 No.217880 Report

Quoted By: >>217883 >>218543

>>217732
>>217668
I did it buddy, I won't waste my time PS it just to disprove some internet troll. Anyone can download a torrent, stop feeling more than nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 02:03:17 No.217883 Report

Quoted By:

>>217880
>finds a virus
>in an exe
>from a torrent that doesn't have any exe files

GB2/b/

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 02:32:32 No.217900 Report

Quoted By:

First frost is tonight. Tried to save my remaining perrennials. Going to give them to my grandma is zone 9 where it doesn't freeze. Hoping they'll make it. This potted plant is 30x25x30, plant area only, not including pot. Really nice in real life actually.

Does anyone know if you can lift and store society garlic bulbs? I tried googling online but didn't find anything about it. They are from the amaryllis family. They survived in the ground just fine last winter but I'd like to lift, separate, and trade some after the frost kills off the foliage. But I don't want to end up fucking them up and end up with nothing because I tried to store bulbs that have to be in the ground.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 03:34:32 No.217917 Report

Quoted By:

>>217772
yeah i figured something like that, its quite easy even if you get a virus to find it yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 30 Oct 2013 11:55:51 No.217989 Report

Quoted By: >>218800

>>217079
Me again. Left as it was in that image, I got a thermometer and set it up inside the polytunnel. This morning (7:30am), just before day break, I went out and read the temperatures inside and outside the polytunnel. Inside was 48F and outside was 40F.

Tomato plants don't do well under 55F. They'll drop their flowers and any fruit that does start to grow will be hollow inside. So, I've made plans to procure more black piping and put an extra layer of plastic over the tunnel. I've also asked more people for 2-liter soda bottles.

On a side note, I have lots of kale and swiss chard, all uncovered in the open air. Both have been frosted over on about 10 mornings now. Both haven't even been phased at all by the cold temps and frost. The kale seems to do the best. The kale also seems to be very drought tolerant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 31 Oct 2013 17:23:21 No.218543 Report

Quoted By:

>>217880
do you cast a three dimensional shadow?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 15:59:54 No.218800 Report

Quoted By: >>218812

>>217989
I finally got the second layer on the tunnel today. It is 58F outside and 82F inside the tunnel. The pics show the air layer between the two pieces of plastic and some of the freeze damage the plants sustained last week. Hopefully, it won't go above 90F and stay above for any length of time. If it does, I'll need to install some automatic vents that open when it is too hot inside.

I could still see many flowers and fruit still on the plants, so there's hope yet this experiment will work.

Anyone else have tunnels, greenhouse, hotbed, or cold frame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 16:54:27 No.218812 Report

Quoted By: >>218819

>>218800
i dont really get cold weather here or i would(florida)
i just cover my plants and trees around the roots and what not with a nice layer of oak leaves or pine needles from my yard, keeps them nice and toasty

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 17:35:32 No.218819 Report

Quoted By:

>>218812
If I lived in a place that didn't get cold I'd be gardening 24/7. Where I live, it gets -10F to -15F almost every winter and once in a while as low as -40F. Though, in the past few years the winters have been so warm there's been no snow at all, just rain and mud.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 18:16:10 No.218830 Report

Quoted By: >>218842 >>218851 >>218880 >>219431 >>222687

Just now a red tailed hawk with one of my young chickens. You can see some white feathers on the ground near it. The chicken is under the hawk. The chicken is currently in the coop, hopefully it will recover. I found black feathers there too, so it may have lost a chance at one of the young black chickens. There were several chicks right near it all trying to get under the bushes on the other side of the fence all were incapacitated with fear and needed to be relocated manually. The hawk is currently still circling the area, but the 30+ chickens are all hiding out under my blackberry briars not making a peep.

I guess I need to set up cover for them in that section.

>pic fully related

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 18:49:10 No.218842 Report

Quoted By: >>218858

>>218830
sorry for your chicks, but that is one awesome pic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 19:09:01 No.218851 Report

Quoted By: >>218858 >>218932

>>218830
what a beautiful hawk. i like them, but it just occurred to me that they prey on chickens. i'd be torn if one was after my flock. idk if i would shoot it or not. maybe after 2 or 3 tries after my flock.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 19:41:53 No.218858 Report

Quoted By: >>218900

>>218842
>>218851
Well, I pulled out some scrap lumber, blocks, and old roofing to make a hawk hide for the chickens. The older chickens have already taken to it. I placed it right on the spot the hawk landed. Now they should be able to evade a hawk in that area if needed. The place is so large, about 1 acre, I need 10 more of those to cover the entire place.

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Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 20:26:52 No.218880 Report

Quoted By: >>218932 >>225459

>>218830

That'd be a dead hawk if he came around my hens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:04:56 No.218889 Report

Quoted By: >>218902

>>214714
paint the bottles black.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 21:53:02 No.218900 Report

Quoted By: >>218902

>>218858
The chicken's won't see the first attacking coming.

I don't know if you have noticed but hawks dive during a strike which is fast and silent.

I guess it would help though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Nov 2013 22:15:48 No.218902 Report

Quoted By: >>222687

>>218889
Indeed, see: >>217094

I recently went to a recycling center and was able to score quite a few 2-liter bottles. I want to paint them and have the paint fully cured before putting them into the tunnel. I have to sand them first, which is a pain.

>>218900
It does help. What usually happens is the hawk will sit in a tree or on a fence post and come down from that to strike. That's why it got the chickens who would have been under cover had it not been for the fence blocking them. Otherwise, had the fence not been there, the hawk wouldn't have hit a chicken.

Chickens' eyes are such that they can see above them really well. The spot most birds flying overhead and sound the alarm which gets all other chickens looking to. Then they run or return to scratching depending on what the situation is.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2013 00:12:12 No.218926 Report

Quoted By:

>>214152
More like this, please.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2013 00:30:19 No.218929 Report

Quoted By:

>>215503
+1

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2013 00:37:08 No.218932 Report

Quoted By: >>218935 >>218938 >>225029

>>218880
>>218851
Illegal to kill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2013 00:42:06 No.218935 Report

Quoted By: >>218938

>>218932
even out in countryland in defense of your livestock?

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2013 00:45:13 No.218938 Report

Quoted By:

>>218932
>>218935
In the US you can get an exemption for it so you can kill a predatory animal listed on the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. you have to contact the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. I've had similar exemptions for taking deer out of season that were destroying my gardens.

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Anonymous Sat 02 Nov 2013 20:48:36 No.219259 Report

Quoted By: >>219517

I was able to put in 35-40 more 2-liter bottles into my polytunnel today. Now, most of the ground inside is covered in containers of water. I'll be picking up a few buckets of super cheap black paint this week and getting more containers for water. I'll be able to paint the new ones, let them cure completely then swap them with bottles already inside. From there I paint those and swap; repeated until all are painted black.

The temperatures inside are doing pretty well. I checked the plants and they are still setting fruit and making new flowers.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2013 05:47:27 No.219431 Report

Quoted By: >>219510

>>218830
same shit happened to one of mine a few weeks ago, anon. Fucker didn't even eat it...it was like sport i guess.

I've noticed mine flock to blackberry plants to eat the insects and the briars are a nice haven from predators

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Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2013 12:43:26 No.219510 Report

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>>219431
Maybe it got scared off somehow? Usually, cover from birds of prey is last one people's list of things to know or remember when it comes to chickens. I have row upon row of nice blackberries that the chickens are in all the time. Yet, they decided to try to escape through the fence, even though the briars were right there. I guess their strong instinct to get under the darkest thickest brush they can won out, but almost got them killed since they are exactly big thinkers under pressure.

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Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2013 13:34:46 No.219517 Report

Quoted By: >>219528 >>219550

>>219259
Is it okay/normal for your plants to be covered in black spots and look wilted/unhealthy in that polytunnel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2013 14:29:46 No.219528 Report

Quoted By: >>219550

>>219517
looks like a little frost damage to me

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Anonymous Sun 03 Nov 2013 15:15:37 No.219550 Report

Quoted By: >>219987

>>219517
>>219528
Yeah, it is frost damage. Most of the damage and spots started before the tunnel was on and freeze damage done before the bottles of water were added when it was 30-32F a week or so ago. The spots are due to bacteria spot prior to the tunnel. One section was particularly bad, which isn't seen in >>214714 They got that bad due to not being taken care of in the first place since it was the end o the season and these were really out-of-season volunteers that decided to pop up out of fresh manure from a neighbor. The bed was just going to be fallow all winter.

This morning it was 32F outside and 48F inside the tunnel. So, I still need more water bottles and to paint them black. I may rig up a small, electric, forced air heating system when it gets colder at night.

This is basically an experiment for a larger operation next winter (2014-2015). Tomatoes are one of the most difficult common crops you can try to overwinter without a good greenhouse. Otherwise, this would be super great for salad greens.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 15:08:18 No.219987 Report

Quoted By: >>219990 >>221066

>>219550
Update.

I made a quick heating system with this old hair dryer and base board heater thermostat. I set the hair dryer on low and set the thermostat to 60F. At around dark the system kicked on 2 hours after the sun was no longer shining directly on the tunnel. This morning it was 22F outside and 52F inside. The hair dryer ran until just now at 10am when it shut off. The temps inside the tunnel when it shut off were 72F and outside 37F. The thermostat is located near the soil and the thermometer I read is partway towards the top of the tunnel.

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Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 15:18:59 No.219990 Report

Quoted By: >>219995 >>220028

>>219987
Your electricity bill must have skyrocketed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 15:36:34 No.219995 Report

Quoted By: >>220028

>>219990
On low it is about 1,000-1,200 watts, I haven't measured it yet. I'll do that today. That's $1.65 to $1.98 for 16.5 hours of energy use. That would be $49.50 to $59.40 per month. Which is why I want more thermal mass and more solar energy capture.

Still, it is a fun and interesting experiment for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 04 Nov 2013 16:29:52 No.220028 Report

Quoted By:

>>219995
>>219990
I took proper readings with my multimeters and the hair dryer, while set on "low", is using 846.25 watts (0.84625 kilowatts). I rechecked the price for electric here and the cost for running the hair dryer on low for 16.5 hours is slightly over $1.01. That is $30.37 per month.

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Anonymous Tue 05 Nov 2013 15:58:42 No.220507 Report

Quoted By: >>220696

>>214775
Wouldn't it be safer to feed crawfish with meat that you don't eat? Like give them fish heads, chicken lungs, etc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2013 00:55:39 No.220696 Report

Quoted By: >>220736

>>220507
I'm not sure what you mean by "safer" in this context.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2013 02:20:28 No.220736 Report

Quoted By: >>220745

>>220696
Ammonia boom

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2013 02:49:09 No.220745 Report

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>>220736
Normally, you are always testing the water and have in-water test strips for this. When there's not enough you uncover more water to allow droppings into it. When there's too much you add more water to the system to dilute it and cover more water to prevent droppings.

All aquaponics is monitoring intensive. It'd be nice to have an automated testing system setup that sends you messages to email, texts to phone, POP3, etc when something goes out of spec.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2013 14:18:21 No.220939 Report

Quoted By: >>220951

These threads have really been slowing down lately. I guess cold weather starting to hit the USA and Europe plays a big role in that. It's too bad there aren't more people with greenhouses, polytunnels, and cold frames.

There's just so much you can still grow even when the temperatures are 20F to 40F. My kale and chard for instance survive hard frost during 20F nights. I'm only now going to put a small dome over some of my chard.

Here's a fairly good link about cold-weather gardening:

http://www.bhg.com/gardening/vegetable/vegetables/cold-weather-vegetable-gardening/

Note the website will change one page to a "join membership" page, just reload the page to get past that to see all the rest of the listings.

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2013 15:21:49 No.220951 Report

Quoted By: >>221063

>>220939
its still in the 60s in 70s here in florida mostly, working on planting some bush beans and radishes and other veggies currently
usually dont get a frost here until mid december

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2013 18:36:56 No.221063 Report

Quoted By: >>221306

>>220951
Plant some cool heirloom carrots. I've been munching on mine >>214150 for weeks now. They come in so many colors!

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Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2013 18:43:53 No.221066 Report

Quoted By: >>221199 >>222508

>>219987
Today it turned really hot outside all of a sudden. It is in the 70s. I had to open the tunnel because it reached 101F! Proper temps are supposed to be 60F to 65F at night and 70F-75F during the day. Below 55F and above 90F are danger zones.

I took the opportunity to water the plants, pollinate the flowers, switch out some bottles with painted black bottles, and remove dead leaves and plants that got cold zapped last week or so. The plants that didn't get zapped then are actually doing pretty well.

If these tomato plants don't make it, I'll be planting other crops in there that are a bit more lenient with swinging temps. I would also like to install vent fans for cooling. Then when the temps get too high the fans kick on to lower them.

I've been having a lot of fun with this during a time of year I normally and shut inside out of the cold.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 06 Nov 2013 22:44:43 No.221199 Report

Quoted By:

>>221066
this is awsome.
great job, anon.
i'll be making a garden myself after i move in 2 weeks.
won't need a greenhouse like yours, because mediterranean weather is pretty sweet for agriculture.
keep it coming dude, this is very interesting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2013 00:53:01 No.221306 Report

Quoted By: >>221575

>>221063
i actually just planted some purple carrots and ill be planting some scarlet nantes as soon as i find a spot for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2013 12:55:52 No.221575 Report

Quoted By: >>221607

>>221306
Nice. This is my first year that I've really planted a crop of carrots. I did a small patch a few years ago, but I didn't eat them raw and instead canned them. The reason for that is I have contact allergy with carrots....well as it turns out it only happens with store bought carrots. This season I wanted to taste the raw carrots and found that I didn't get a reaction to uncooked carrots. Then I tried one from the store and the maddening itching start.

So, now that I know I can eat homegrown carrots without any trouble at all, I've been munching down on them and have plans for planting tons more next season and in a tunnel maybe over winter, not sure yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2013 15:37:24 No.221607 Report

Quoted By: >>221897

>>221575
>contact allergy with store bought carrots
its probably the mound of pesticides etc that they spray on them with cropdusters
yet another reason to produce your own food

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Anonymous Thu 07 Nov 2013 15:53:08 No.221611 Report

Quoted By: >>221897 >>221962 >>222006

I travel a lot growing, well helping to grow small scale tobacco. So if anyone is interested Ill answer any questions you have on growing the stuff (and processing).

Pic related some FCV recently cured.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 01:20:41 No.221897 Report

Quoted By: >>221994

>>221607
Yeah, it happens with several types of raw vegetables from the store, but not the ones I grow or people I know grow.

>>221611
What are the cob-looking things under the hanging tobacco leaves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 04:43:02 No.221962 Report

Quoted By: >>221994 >>225470

>>221611
i used to grow it large scale but am not a smoker myself. used to grow burley. For a good smoke, do you need a combination of different tobaccos, like burley/flue-cured or will just burley work?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 07:57:08 No.221994 Report

Quoted By: >>222031 >>225470

>>221962
Burley is very harsh, however, as you probably know its the part of the blend that packs the nicotine.

Regular cigarettes are a an FCV/Burley/Oriental blend with FCV for sugar, Burley for nic and Oriental to tie the two together.

You can smoke purely FCV and British blend is exactly that.

You can also smoke pure Oriental.

Burley you could smoke it and the nic content would really give it a kick but the taste is quite harsh and it kind of smells like ammonia so its not particularly nice. I'm not a smoker and I have done smoking test for quality on pure Burley samples and it made me need to sit down the nicotine rush was that great an impact.

>>221897
Its a brick tunnel which connects to the furnace and zigs zags through the barn to distribute the heat more evenly and a 2-part chimney at the other end aka a rocket barn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 09:15:04 No.222006 Report

Quoted By: >>222018

>>221611
Are there any books you'd recommend to someone looking to get into it? Could this be a viable way for someone to make a bit of extra cash while they are homesteading or is it too involved?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 10:54:43 No.222018 Report

Quoted By: >>222020 >>225470

>>222006
Its not too involved but it is rather labour intensive as there are multiple harvest etc.

Oriental or burley would be cheaper as they aren't flue cured and so you don't need woodfuel.

However most likely you wont be able to sell it as it is mostly contract grown and in the more developed countries it is not profitable for the companies to buy it from a small farmer.

If you had friends locally you could sell it I suppose, and at least they would the satisfaction of traceability and if you want grow it organic for that reason too if you are so inclined.

As for books its really rather difficult to find a full guide. A friend and I were thinking of making a wiki type thing but at the moment your best bet is to look for a growers guide from North Caroline or Kentucky extension services or search for a big tobacco companies guide to its small holder farmers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 11:28:20 No.222020 Report

Quoted By: >>222025

>>222018
There is an ecovillage near me, do you think they'd buy it if it was organic and all that?
>NC extension
I hadn't thought of that. I know they have some great stuff on animals but for some reason I've never looked at their plant material. Thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 12:17:16 No.222025 Report

Quoted By:

>>222020
Maybe, but then again, tobacco isn't really popular with that crowd. I genuinely couldn't say as the tobacco that i'm around is grown via a contract system and sold directly to the company I work for.

I know NC has some stuff, I am not even American and I use their resources from time to time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 12:36:22 No.222030 Report

Quoted By: >>222031

I'm glad I found this thread. I'm preparing my first garden now. Has anyone tried square foot gardening? I've got an 8' x 4' section and two 7' x 1.5'. I live in northeast florida and have started germinating 40 pepper plants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 12:55:36 No.222031 Report

Quoted By: >>222034

>>221994
>aka a rocket barn.

Ahhhh, quite nice. I think I like whoever decided to use that.

>>222030
It is a pretty good system, especially when you couple it with other systems. Like raised beds, polyculture, companion planting, etc.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 13:18:15 No.222034 Report

Quoted By: >>222093

>>222031
>Like raised beds, polyculture, companion planting, etc.

I'll look into these. My beds are slightly raised. Just going to add a few bags of topsoil. I also ordered some red wigglers to get a vermicompost project going as well. Is the mulch here a good idea?

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 15:33:28 No.222058 Report

Quoted By: >>222095 >>222131 >>225472

What is a natural way to get rid of ants? I've read urine, cornmeal, orange oil, cinnamon, cayenne pepper.. Which method is true and works?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 17:41:40 No.222093 Report

Quoted By:

>>222034
>mulch

It is quite fine. If you have squash family plants you may want to plant them in a place that has without mulch. Squash bugs love mulch and hide in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 17:43:40 No.222095 Report

Quoted By:

>>222058
I normally, use water and mild soap and spray the area. Any surface that can be sprayed and wiped will remove their scent trails. On plants it is a bit different. You need to find why the ants are there. Are they after the honeydew from aphids and scales? If so then you need to get rid of the aphids and scales then the ants will leave. Ants normally don't cause problems, but they can be farming aphids and relocating them from plant to plant.

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 18:58:30 No.222131 Report

Quoted By: >>222184

>>222058
sweet jesus that picture is more fucked than that little girl must have been the morning it was taken

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Anonymous Fri 08 Nov 2013 21:40:48 No.222184 Report

Quoted By: >>222268 >>225030 >>227580

>>222131
Then you'll love this.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 00:30:09 No.222268 Report

Quoted By: >>222478

>>222184
>Not sure if real girls or dolls

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 16:50:21 No.222433 Report

Quoted By: >>222438 >>222476

Is it feasible to raise cucumber and/or pears at home? They're my favorite vegetable and fruit

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 17:08:14 No.222438 Report

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>>222433
I've grown cucumbers before. Difficulty depends on the variety. Outdoor insect pollinated type are easy, the long thin ones are more difficult.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:08:54 No.222476 Report

Quoted By: >>222480 >>222490

>>222433
>cucumber

Not really. You'll have so many of them they will take over your kitchen counter space, fridge, and make your friends and neighbors run and hide when they see you coming with yet another bag of cucumbers to give them. When it gets to that point, you'll realize it isn't at all feasible.

Pears on the other hand are pretty nice. Make sure you get a variety that suits the type of cooking/eating you'll be doing. Some varieties are cooking pears and other eating pears. Trying to eat a cooking pear right off the tree results in disappointment.

Here's pics of my last batch of cucumbers. I had like 600lbs of them that season. Never again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:10:04 No.222478 Report

Quoted By:

>>222268
They're digitally altered... thank goodness.
http://www.alaindelorme.com/works-littledolls-text-lang1

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:16:04 No.222480 Report

Quoted By: >>222501

>>222476
The plants themselves.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 19:43:45 No.222490 Report

Quoted By: >>222501

>>222476
>600lbs
How many plants did you have?

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:24:01 No.222501 Report

Quoted By: >>222502

>>222490
Only the ones you see in >>222480

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:27:47 No.222502 Report

Quoted By: >>222504

>>222501
Goddamn, man. What did you do to them?

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:32:43 No.222504 Report

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>>222502
I made and used manure tea to water them with. That was my first garden ever. Just cucumbers and peppers (pictured.) The mulch was yard clippings.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:39:35 No.222508 Report

Quoted By: >>226046

>>221066
Small update.

It was warm enough to paint today, so I started painting a bunch of the soda bottles of water and switching them for non-painted ones in the tunnel. I sanded them with 220 grit sandpaper first. I used black latex barn paint. It went on really thin with streaks, but after a few seconds the paint evens out and the streaks disappear. So, only a little paint is needed per bottle.

Each time I paint more bottles, the tunnel temperature, in the morning, is a little further away from the outside temperature. It was around 25° difference, now it is about 38°-39° difference. So, it can be 21F outside and 60F inside the tunnel. The hairdryer heating system also needs to run less often.

I've seen new growth on the plants and they've not dropped any flowers or fruit anymore. Those are good signs.

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Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:40:09 No.222509 Report

Quoted By: >>222512

Is it viable/possible to grow vegetables inside of my house?

I'm really thinking about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:44:53 No.222512 Report

Quoted By: >>222513

>>222509
1: What do you like to eat?
2: What kind of natural light is there in your house and how many hours of direct sunlight does it allow in?
3: How much money are you looking to spend at maximum.

#3 depends heavily on #2 and a little bit on #1.

Things like herbs are normally pretty easy to grow indoors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 20:49:40 No.222513 Report

Quoted By: >>222517

>>222512
I would like to grow cucumbers, tomatoes, bell peppers, beans, stuff like that.

I don't have a lot of natural light coming in, especially during the winter. I should've implied using lights. Can artificial light alone make vegetable plants grow to maturity? I'm willing to spend maybe a hundred or two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 21:07:17 No.222517 Report

Quoted By: >>222544

>>222513
Yeah. There are quite a few kits that are sold on TV that do this.

The thing is, growing stuff outdoors is usually hard to justify since the cost of labor usually ends up being more than the value of your crops(You might have to put in 5 hours[and maybe $10 in supplies), through-out the entire season to grow 20 pounds of tomatoes. 5 hours at minimum wage is $50 in most of the developed world. Tomatoes dont cost $3 a pound even out of season

Doing it indoors is multiple times more expensive, and detracts for your quality of shelter(It will be noticeably more humid and smelly).

The only exception to this is herbs and sprouts. Those cost next to nothing, and even if they do cost as much/more, the convieinece of always having fresh on hand outweighs buying those $3 packs of dill/mint/basil/whatever, and having to throw out 1/3rd because it goes bad before you get a chance to use all of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Nov 2013 22:04:20 No.222544 Report

Quoted By: >>222651

>>222517
You must do everything the hard way.

Maybe I can give you some perspective. You know how a nice setup for growing indoors with lights looks like and how much work it is? Now take that mental image and information and set that entire unit outside on someone's patio or deck then remove the lighting attached to it and allow the sun to do its thing. By doing this, you can erase your costs of lighting completely and keep doing the exact same amount of work as you did when it was indoors (minus fooling with lights maybe).

And, that is how you container garden.

I have an acre of planted gardens during the normal growing season. The most work I do is harvesting, processing, preserving, and storing everything I grow. The work of planting and taking care of the plants is actually really easy, simple, and not very time consuming. I spend 10x more time just mowing my lawn with a riding lawn mower. I've done indoor growing too, during the winter, and it is only marginally more work. I don't use a lighting system though. I use 4 hours of direct sunlight and reflect it to were I need. I've gone from that to greenhouse stuff.

This year I broke the 2,000lbs mark in pounds of produce. I barely did any work at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 05:06:59 No.222651 Report

Quoted By: >>222653 >>222759

>>222544
daily reminder that certain houseplants remove c02 from the air and replace it with fresh oxygen, they also pull toxins and fumes etc from the air like formaldehyde and what not
i just grow simple stuff inside like spider plants or snake plants or something similar
there is plenty of health benefits to growing plants indoors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 05:13:07 No.222653 Report

Quoted By: >>222662

>>222651
And then the lights go out and they perform oxidative phosphorylation, just like us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 05:58:01 No.222662 Report

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>>222653
"When you breathe, your body takes in oxygen and releases carbon dioxide. During photosynthesis, plants absorb carbon dioxide and release oxygen. This opposite pattern of gas use makes plants and people natural partners. Adding plants to interior spaces can increase oxygen levels.

At night, photosynthesis ceases, and plants typically respire like humans, absorbing oxygen and releasing carbon dioxide. A few plants – orchids, succulents and epiphytic bromeliads – do just the opposite, taking in carbon dioxide and releasing oxygen. Place these plants in bedrooms to refresh air during the night."

"As part of the photosynthetic and respiratory processes, plants release moisture vapor, which increases humidity of the air around them. Plants release roughly 97 percent of the water they take in. Place several plants together, and you can increase the humidity of a room, which helps keeps respiratory distresses at bay. Studies at the Agricultural University of Norway document that using plants in interior spaces decreases the incidence of dry skin, colds, sore throats and dry coughs."

"Plants remove toxins from air – up to 87 percent of volatile organic compounds (VOCs) every 24 hours, according to NASA research. VOCs include substances like formaldehyde (present in rugs, vinyl, cigarette smoke and grocery bags), benzene and trichloroethylene (both found in man-made fibers, inks, solvents and paint). Benzene is commonly found in high concentrations in study settings, where books and printed papers abound.

Modern climate-controlled, air-tight buildings trap VOCs inside. The NASA research discovered that plants purify that trapped air by pulling contaminants into soil, where root zone microorganisms convert VOCs into food for the plant."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 07:28:53 No.222687 Report

Quoted By: >>222759

>>218902
>Chickens' eyes are such that they can see above them really well. The spot most birds flying overhead
This. When I'm out with my chickens, they'll see a hawk way before I do. Most of the time I don't even see the hawk.

>>218830
I had something similar happen to me, a cooper's hawk was on top of one of my pullets. The rest of the chickens were so scared that they were trying to go through the fence. Luckily the attacked pullet was perfectly fine. They were all under some overgrowth so it didn't get a chance to fully pounce on her.
Now, instead of cooper's hawks, we get red tails that fly around our yard all day. Sometimes they'll both land in a neighbor's tree and stare at us from afar. It's really creepy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 14:11:42 No.222759 Report

Quoted By: >>222765 >>222810

>>222651
I don't see what that has to do with my post? A misquote perhaps?

>>222687
I took another head count and only came up with 37 instead of 40. I know that hawk got a black chicken that day and the one that was save was its second attack. So, 2 more have gone missing for reasons unknown. I hope they were roosters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 14:31:55 No.222765 Report

Quoted By: >>222810 >>222824

>>222759
>I took another head count and only came up with 37 instead of 40

Erk, make that 36. A hawk actually just killed one of the black chickens. It cornered them in a fence corner. so, I made a quick hawk hide there too. I have plans to make several more hawk hides now. I'll be using 4x8 sheets of treated plywood and cinder blocks.

It's going to be a long day....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 17:02:45 No.222810 Report

Quoted By: >>222812 >>222824

>>222759
>So, 2 more have gone missing for reasons unknown
Keep looking around! When the hawk was on my pullet, we had a missing chicken and assumed she got eaten too. She didn't show up for 2 hours until I happened to walk by some ivy and heard her hiding in it.
>>222765
If there's any way you can lock them up during the day (might be hard with that many chickens), you should do it, for maybe a week or so. The hawks are probably going to keep coming back every day now. It sucks, we have to keep a diligent watch for the sky every time the chickens are out. Hawks are jerks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 17:05:04 No.222812 Report

Quoted By: >>222824

>>222810
>assumed she got eaten too
Meant to say assumed she got eaten already.

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Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 17:44:08 No.222824 Report

Quoted By: >>222841 >>222842

>>222765
>It's going to be a long day....

Oh man, that was brutal. High winds, cold, sunny-hot, wet hair, flying plywood, and 30ish cinder blocks. Well, there's 6 total hawk hides, the briers, and the coop the chickens can hide under now. Several of these are already in use and I had chickens going under as I was laying blocks on top of them.

>pic related

>>222810
>>222812
I'd been counting 37 for a couple nights now when they roost. I won't be pinning them up. I'll add more hawk hides and if I need to I'll apply for an exemption permit to shoot the hawks, but hopefully it won't come to that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 17:46:16 No.222825 Report

Quoted By: >>222842

I've just been thinking. The hawks mostly attack the black chickens first because they really stand out from the rest. I bet I could make several black chicken decoys to confuse the hawks. There's a chance they'd hit the decoys while the other chickens go to cover.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 17:47:47 No.222826 Report

Quoted By:

i live in an apartment in nyc, and i wanted to grow some herbs like tarragon, basil, mint, and thyme. also some green onions and garlic. is it possible to start during the winter season? i do have a balcony, idk how relevant that is. any tips that i should take note of? keeping them inside is abit of a challenge, because theres not much space on the window sill, and the kitchen is in the inner part of the apt, little light coming in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:10:43 No.222841 Report

Quoted By: >>222843 >>222847

>>222824
This might sounds stupid but why don't the hawks just go under there and get them? I've never kept chickens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:11:23 No.222842 Report

Quoted By: >>222845

>>222824
>>222825
I doubt it. Hawks have very keen eyesight. They sell those owl decoys, and they don't work at all, even if you're constantly moving it around (trust me). The only hawk that'll fall for it is a very young hawk.
Where do you live by the way? We're also getting really strong winds here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:14:08 No.222843 Report

Quoted By: >>222847 >>222866

>>222841
Well, they certainly could, but it's much harder for them to catch a chicken. They don't have the advantage of landing on them from the air and puncturing them with their talons. Plus the chickens would just run out the other side.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:22:50 No.222845 Report

Quoted By: >>222854

>>222842
Owl decoys don't work because they are owls. You want crow decoys to keep hawks away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:24:48 No.222847 Report

Quoted By: >>222866

>>222841
>>222843
It may also be that hawks don't like to go under stuff like that in the first place simply because they lose their advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:45:40 No.222854 Report

Quoted By: >>222856

>>222845
A crow decoy wouldn't work either. Hawks can tell the difference between alive and fake. And crow decoys operate on the same principal as putting out hawk and owl decoys. They all don't like each other, and if they see one another in a certain area they're less likely to make that place their home because of territory disputes. Owl decoys are just as "effective" as hawk or crow decoys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:46:51 No.222856 Report

Quoted By: >>222857

>>222854
They work for a set amount of time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:48:48 No.222857 Report

Quoted By: >>222858

>>222856
Only on juvenile hawks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:50:21 No.222858 Report

Quoted By: >>222860

>>222857
On all hawks that haven't been around your decoys for very long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 18:59:27 No.222860 Report

Quoted By:

>>222858
Even so, like you said, it only works for a set amount of time, which isn't very long at all. It's not a solution to the problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 19:20:22 No.222866 Report

Quoted By: >>222871

>>222843
>>222847
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks, guys.
Would the hides work as good if you are planning on putting blackberries all over your chicken area?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 19:26:16 No.222871 Report

Quoted By: >>222872

>>222866
Yeah, they will work regardless. Blackberries will only help things. You can use the hides until you have a nice big briar patch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 19:27:49 No.222872 Report

Quoted By: >>222874

>>222871
What I meant is would the hides work better than briers or the other way around? Sorry, I'm kind of high.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 19:30:57 No.222874 Report

Quoted By:

>>222872
It depends on how tall and thick the briars are. The ones I have are only about chest high and in rows. They are not the best thing for the chickens to use. In another section I have them in a massive clump that is about 14 feet high and extremely dense. Its perfect for chickens, but I don't have any chickens over there.

I'd use the hides until the briers were a good size.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 10 Nov 2013 19:57:16 No.222881 Report

Quoted By: >>223292

Anyone on the mainland US have access to seeds for guava (pref. strawberry), fig (pref. self-pollinating), or surinam cherry they'd be willing to send my way?

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Anonymous Mon 11 Nov 2013 05:51:22 No.223180 Report

Quoted By: >>223201 >>225005

>month old thread

I thought I'd try a dedicated gardening thread before bothering /diy/

I dig this idea.
It's sexy and practical and I'm growing a potato in my pants just thinking about the yield.

I don't quite "get" the theory behind it though. The first site I see talking how to do it says you basically plant potatoes on the bottom first, then cover them with more and more dirt until it fills the barrel.

Is the idea to cover the plants ENTIRELY with dirt and plant more potatoes on top for several layers, or putting enough dirt that it forces the first batch of potatoes to grow even higher along the barrel?

And is there a limit on this technique? Is it only potatoes, or all root vegetables fair game ie carrots, sweet potatoes, beets, turnips, radishes, ginger, turmeric, etc etc?

If yes to all the above, literally getting 10 barrels

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Anonymous Mon 11 Nov 2013 07:19:02 No.223201 Report

Quoted By: >>223323

>>223180
You plant the potato eyes in the bottom then when the potato plants are x height you prune the leaves off that will be in the soil. Let those wounds heal for about 4 days before adding the soil. Repeat the pruning and adding of soil every x amount of new height grown. Once the plant is past the top of the container just let it grow from then on.

I think this is best done in a container that has open sides. Like those made from wire fencing,

https://www.google.com/search?q=wire+fencing+potato+tower&tbm=isch

I think this because they breath a bit better and help prevent rot. Making sure the wounds left from the bottom leaf removal are healed before soil is put in is key.

For the potato eyes, make sure you allow them to dry out for 2 days after your cut them out. This also helps prevent them from rotting. Just place them in a cool area out of direct light for that time before planting.

This works for potatoes because they grow new roots and tubers along their stems. In your list, only potatoes do this properly. You really need to be patient with this method. If you rush it, the stems will rot and die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Nov 2013 13:20:47 No.223292 Report

Quoted By: >>223325 >>223557

>>222881
I rally wish I had my greenhouse up and running. I'd love to have small guava and fig trees in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Nov 2013 15:10:13 No.223323 Report

Quoted By: >>223465

>>223201
i leave the leaves on and it does just fine, its only when i put dirt on a cut open area or something that rot etc starts
why do you cut the leaves off? do they make the tubers grow more or what

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Nov 2013 15:11:16 No.223325 Report

Quoted By:

>>223292
thank god i can live in an area where i can plant them in the ground and not have to worry about them dying

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Nov 2013 18:13:44 No.223465 Report

Quoted By:

>>223323
I actually snap the leaves off at their natural break off point. I allow the wound to heal before placing soil around it. The reason I remove them is because if I put soil around the leaf the leaf dies and rots. There's a chance that rot can transfer to the plant stem and kill it. I just remove that chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Nov 2013 23:30:39 No.223557 Report

Quoted By: >>223560 >>223609

>>223292
I want to get some fig seeds so I can try an indoor tree. I've never actually tasted a fig.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Nov 2013 23:38:26 No.223560 Report

Quoted By:

>>223557
I've only had the dried figs, but those have a bitter aftertaste due to the preservative used on them. Some brands are worse than others. I'd like to have a mission fig tree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 01:12:28 No.223609 Report

Quoted By: >>223611

>>223557
i just recently tried my first fresh fig a few months ago, wow they were amazing
kind of hard to explain the taste but i could eat them all day long

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 01:15:04 No.223611 Report

Quoted By:

>>223609
oh forgot to mention it was a magnolia fig, some people only use them for preserves i guess but i think theyre wonderful and very sweet and juicy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 02:55:04 No.223648 Report

Quoted By: >>223724

So wait. Figs need to be pollinated by a specific type of mediterranean wasp in order to produce viable seeds? Fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 05:25:50 No.223724 Report

Quoted By: >>223732

>>223648
not always some are self pollenating

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 05:32:56 No.223732 Report

Quoted By: >>223885

>>223724
So I'm learning. And apparently they take very easily from cuttings. So now I need to find a cutting.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 13:37:19 No.223879 Report

Quoted By: >>223932 >>223934 >>224107

>SUDDENLY WINTER

How's the East Coast Homegrowmen doing? I opened the chicken coop to let the chickens out. It was their first snow. Normally, it is like a 3-ring circus and they all explode out of the coop. Today they instantly stopped on the ramp and were like, "WTF!?" for about 2 minutes before heading out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 14:06:18 No.223885 Report

Quoted By: >>223931 >>223933

>>223732
You want the self pollinating ones. Otherwise you might be unfortunate enough to bite into a developing wasp

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 16:00:44 No.223931 Report

Quoted By:

>>223885
if the fruit is fully ripe the wasps are already long gone

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 16:01:53 No.223932 Report

Quoted By: >>223964

>>223879
protips of how to build a coop and how many i can fit in a coop and what to feed them? ive wanted to own chickens but i have no idea where to start

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 16:05:27 No.223933 Report

Quoted By:

>>223885
fig wasps are so small they can fly through the hole in a needle and they leave the fig long before its ripe

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 16:06:19 No.223934 Report

Quoted By: >>223964

>>223879

Nice. It looks gorgeous there in its own subtly east coast kind of way.

Still waiting on a dusting of snow here, but we've been below freezing most nights for a couple of weeks now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 17:04:27 No.223964 Report

Quoted By:

>>223932
Just build your coop like you would any structure. Make sure you can lock it up 100% to prevent predators from getting in at night. Design is so you can clean it out easily. Roosts that are not wide are better so that crap will fall into the litter on the floor. Always try to have 4-6 inches of litter on the floor. It makes things super easy to clean out. Make your nest boxes have a cover so that no crap gets into them. Same with your feeders. If you can't grow your own feed, they can't range, or it is a snowy winter, use whole corn for adult chickens, cracked corn for younger chickens, and mash/crumbles/pellets of chicken feed.

Right now mine are only eating flint corn and popcorn I grew this year. Though, that will only last out another day or two max.

>i have no idea where to start

http://www.backyardchickens.com/atype/1/Learning_Center

>>223934
Thanks. I prefer it green instead of brown, grey, and white.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 21:29:13 No.224068 Report

Quoted By: >>224130

Hey, any of you tunnel/hoophouse owners know how well 1/2" sch40 pvc pipe would hold up as ribs?

I'm looking to setup a hoophouse in my sisters backyard thats tall enough that I won't have to stoop over to be in (so like 6'2"). I was originally planning to recycle some slats and 2x4s in her wood pile but they're all trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 23:03:11 No.224107 Report

Quoted By:

>>223879
Oooh, how pretty! We had some snow today too but it didn't stick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Nov 2013 23:50:34 No.224130 Report

Quoted By: >>224416

>>224068
1/2" will be very flimsy for long distances. If they are well supported it would work, but it will take a good bit of time and energy to get them well supported. Being schedule 40 helps a lot though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 06:37:57 No.224416 Report

Quoted By: >>224528

>>224130
well its be a smallish hobby setup, maybe 10'x10' on the ground (possibly smaller). 1/2" runs about $2.70 a 10' length and 3/4" about $3.50 around here. My biggest hangup is that the only source of good plastic is the internet in these parts :/ .

I'm still contemplating that shitty wood from the pile, but alot of it is termite damaged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 13:32:46 No.224528 Report

Quoted By:

>>224416
Black plastic gas pipe like in that tunnel >>217079 is far better for a 10' span than the PVC. I've tried PVC before. You can make a dome with it that can be pretty stable. It'll be more stable than a tunnel.

If the wood is punky to the point that you can easily smash it with a light blow from a hammer then toss it or cut those sections off.

>11F outside, 58F in my tunnel this morning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 16:32:38 No.224615 Report

Quoted By: >>224648 >>224709

Now that winters coming
Any other mushroombros out there?
Have been busy with plants over the summer, but now is a good time to start up my fungi again, i think i still have some old shiitake spores lying around, gonna see if those still work and propably order something fresh too
So to all those depressed farmers heading for hibernation; GET YOURSELF SOME SHROOMS

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 17:26:30 No.224648 Report

Quoted By: >>224657

>>224615
I have some shiitake logs. I missed their 1st flush this year because I was expecting them flushing next year. I'll be ready for them next year though. Although the first flush next year will all go towards making new logs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 17:35:59 No.224657 Report

Quoted By: >>224685

>>224648
>Although the first flush next year will all go towards making new logs.
how that?
cut up all the fruits and make a live spore solution to soak your logs?
why not just make some grainspawn to inoculate a new log?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 18:29:14 No.224685 Report

Quoted By: >>224691

>>224657
I'll need everything because I'll be making inoculating a large amount of logs. I'm going with a sawdust-mushroom blended mixture that is slightly damp. I'll get shoved into drilled holes like plugspawn and sealed over with wine bottle wax. This takes less time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 18:36:37 No.224691 Report

Quoted By: >>224772

>>224685
>I'm going with a sawdust-mushroom blended mixture that is slightly damp. I'll get shoved into drilled holes like plugspawn and sealed over with wine bottle wax.
interesting, never heard of that method

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 18:58:01 No.224709 Report

Quoted By: >>224722 >>224772

>>224615

Never grown mushrooms before, where's a good place to start reading about doing so?

All my other plants dying in the cold is getting depressing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 19:18:19 No.224722 Report

Quoted By:

>>224709
check out
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek
this is what got me into the whole thing

if you're serious about it, you might wanna get yourself one of these tho
http://www.amazon.com/Growing-Gourmet-Medicinal-Mushrooms-Stamets/dp/1580081754/
definately one of the best books on the subject, i think you can read preview alot of it there
you can propably torrent both of these if you're cheap

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 13 Nov 2013 21:20:06 No.224772 Report

Quoted By:

>>224691
It is a modified "slurry" method. You blend up mushroom and growing medium. Then use it for whatever you want, like plug spawn, inoculating more medium, spreading between split logs that you tie back together, spread between stacked rounds of wood, etc.

>>224709
One good source is fungi.com I've purchased a couple kits from them and have talked with them a few times via email. They have tons of book materials you can hunt up on your own as well as kits you can grow indoors or outside. Those are best used with inoculation in mind as they are expensive. Once you get a kit, use it to make more of your own kits.

Also, there's a TON of really awesome info in the pirate bay link in the OP of this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 07:21:54 No.225005 Report

Quoted By:

>>223180
its the off season so the threads will go a little slower

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 12:37:02 No.225029 Report

Quoted By:

>>218932
shoot, shovel, shut up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 14 Nov 2013 12:41:08 No.225030 Report

Quoted By:

>>222184
>watermelon cake

lulz

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 16:58:09 No.225459 Report

Quoted By:

>>218880
Build your enclosure to be hawk-proof.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 17:00:07 No.225462 Report

Quoted By: >>225475 >>225581

Someone offered to send me some fig cuttings, so I should be well on my way soon enough. Just need to figure out the best way to root them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 17:13:13 No.225470 Report

Quoted By:

>>221962
>>221994
>>222018
if you want a good free tobacco substitute that grows everywhere try spanish needle leaves(bidens alba, pilosa)
also, the flowers are real high in vitamin c and taste like carrots plus you can cook the leaves like spinach or use them for teas etc
oh you can also crush the flower into a pulp by chewing or whatever and put it on mosquito bites etc to stop the swelling and itching
really versatile plant and so many uses(plus its the number 3 nectar producer in florida(right behind citrus and palms/palmettos)
theyre all encompassing plants(in most climate ranges) and very easy to identify

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 17:15:36 No.225472 Report

Quoted By:

>>222058
i dont really have any issue with ants and i get the really large ones here in florida too, im pretty sure theyre predators against harmful things in the garden too
ive never actually had them eat any of my plants but they do like the wildflowers in my yard later in the season(dem spanish needles)
the ants/spider mites i get always go for them and stay away from my main crops so i just leave them grow wild in a corner of my yard(plus they draw a shit ton of bees)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 17:17:59 No.225475 Report

Quoted By: >>225478 >>225480

>>225462
i wouldnt worry too much about rooting them, theyre pretty hardy
i just stick cuttings from my trees in pots with nice compost and some halfway composted oak leaves and sand for drainage
ive never actually used root tone or whatever and ive never needed it just make sure you have plenty of nutrients in your soil

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 17:20:07 No.225478 Report

Quoted By: >>225480 >>225496

>>225475
I want to put them in some sphagnum or something to get the base roots started, but I'm unsure if I should buy a bundle from Lowe's or just go out back and raid the bog behind my house.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 17:21:55 No.225480 Report

Quoted By: >>225496

>>225475
>>225478
I may just take your advice though and try putting them in my mix. My main concern is that I don't want to fuck this up because the guy was nice enough to send them purely as a gift.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 17:58:45 No.225496 Report

Quoted By:

>>225478
>>225480
as long as its well draining and nutrient dense you should be good, keep in mind before a few decades ago root hormone didnt even exist
people had to root things somehow right?
i just got done rooting a bunch of cuttings from my figs, they take pretty quick but you probably wont notice growth until spring when it comes out of dormancy(you could always pull it out and check for roots if you'd like though)
i dont think ive ever failed taking cuttings from my figs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 15 Nov 2013 20:58:43 No.225581 Report

Quoted By: >>225883

>>225462
You can make some willow water by taking willow cuttings, putting them in a bucket of water and letting them root. Use that water to root your fig cuttings. Just putting the fig cuttings in with the willow cuttings at the same time will also help in a pinch.

The willow releases above average concentrations of root growth hormone that helps jump start cuttings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 13:25:14 No.225883 Report

Quoted By: >>225907

>>225581
or just buy some clonex

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 14:52:04 No.225907 Report

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>>225883
If you don't have access to any type of willow, sure. Some people, like myself, prefer to use more natural means and save money doing it.

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Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 19:29:03 No.226002 Report

Quoted By: >>226043

Think this method would work for rooting cuttings?

I cut up a plastic bag, wrapped it around, tied it off to leave the top and bottom in open air, stuffed potting mix around the contained bit of the cutting, moistened, and then wrapped it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 20:56:06 No.226043 Report

Quoted By:

>>226002
I'd allow it to have more soil and more air flow with only one end (make sure it is the upper section of the cuttings) is exposed by 1-2 nodes. This way, it gets the oxygen it needs, stays moist, and will have a better chance of rooting. I'd also place it somewhere warm (80F/26C).

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Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 21:03:15 No.226046 Report

Quoted By: >>226048 >>226149

>>222508
Another update.

People have been giving me more and more soda bottles. Which is great because I plan on doing more than just this test tunnel. The plants, while looking terrible to the passive observer, are doing well it seems. All new growth looks healthy, they are putting out new flowers, and older tomato fruits are still growing. I still need to trim up the plants and remove dead material that died, due to cold, prior to the second glazing of plastic, bottles, and hair dryer heat.

I put in 34 or so more black-painted 2-liter soda bottles in today. I also have been sprouting garlic and planted a little over 2 bulbs of cloves today in the tunnel.

I should have done this years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 21:07:10 No.226048 Report

Quoted By: >>226055

>>226046

That is pretty impressive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 16 Nov 2013 21:26:19 No.226055 Report

Quoted By:

>>226048
Thanks. It has been really easy and pretty fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 00:05:24 No.226149 Report

Quoted By: >>226199

>>226046

Apologies that I haven't read through the whole thread to find the answer to this...

Are the bottles meant to hold in thermal energy and protect against temperature swings and overnight frost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 17 Nov 2013 01:59:57 No.226199 Report

Quoted By: >>227275

>>226149
>Are the bottles meant to hold in thermal energy and protect against temperature swings and overnight frost?

Indeed they are. Having as much thermal mass in a greenhouse as possible helps a great deal in cold climates. I plan on building a full-sized greenhouse someday and it will have every free space in it filled with these bottles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 00:38:39 No.227275 Report

Quoted By: >>227291

>>226199
couldnt you just mulch with oak leaves or pine needles or something like that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 01:06:07 No.227291 Report

Quoted By:

>>227275
No. Not for the thermal mass at least. Water is the best thing to use for thermal mass. This isn't for mulch.

On a semi-related note, you could use hot compost to help generate heat for a greenhouse. Some people use fresh horse manure to do that. They even use it to make hot water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 19:09:48 No.227570 Report

Quoted By: >>227721

So first frost came while I was out of town for a week.

This has killed some of my plants, but not all.

Are the veggies still edible? Are their seeds still viable? People have been telling me to always pick everything before first frost, but what hasn't died still tastes good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 19:23:03 No.227580 Report

Quoted By: >>227721

>>222184
Why are those pictures so creepy?

After a half-dozen years on 4chan I thought nothing could bother me, but something about those images weirds me out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 19 Nov 2013 23:19:40 No.227721 Report

Quoted By: >>228211

>>227570
The frost won't be a problem for your vegetables insomuch as being able to tell which ones to eat and which ones not to eat. The frost bitten vegetables that are a problem will have very obvious soft spots where they are going bad. It is very noticeable, just don't eat the frost bitten spots if they are starting to go bad. Seeds should still be good regardless.

It is like putting vegetables in there freezer. you can still eat them, but their texture is no longer very good.

>>227580
Uncanny valley.

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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2013 17:30:47 No.228211 Report

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>>227721
>Uncanny valley.

So they're photoshopped to look less human or something?

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Pomegranates.

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>>228229
Kiwi.

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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2013 22:07:04 No.228347 Report

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>>228232
I really want to grow kiwi. I need a greenhouse to do it here though. I just once want to have one that isn't from the store and not hard as a rock. Same goes with pineapples.

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Anonymous Wed 20 Nov 2013 22:09:27 No.228349 Report

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growing different sweet and hot peppers here, how much cold can they handle and how long can they handle the cold before they die?
north florida bro btw zone 9
i have got a few nights at around 32 degrees but it gets back up into the 60s-low 70s during the day and they dont seem to be getting frost damage at all thats why i was wondering

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