>>2467986portland still beats it, i think.
>skiing hour away>ocean hour away>fucking windsurfing, hour away>hiking all over the place.but PDX and SF are both deserving of nuclear hellfire, so whatever. wouldn't want to live in either city (though i did go PSU.. 2 years in portland was enough)
once you go full rural there is no going back to living in a town, let alone a city
