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Mass water procurement

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 15:16:05 No.2512872 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>2512881 >>2512971 >>2512997 >>2513024 >>2513050 >>2513117 >>2513434 >>2513647 >>2513708 >>2514118

>Large party of hikers
>Each carries only a canteen's worth of water
>One person, a modern Auqatore, is tasked with finding/filtering/purifying/carrying bulk amounts of water to refill the party's supply
>In return they don't have to carry gear other than water and water-related equipment

Is this retarded?
What's the best way to carry 5+ gallons?
How big of a gravity filter would you need to fill that up?
Bleach, or tablets?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 15:34:27 No.2512881 Report

Quoted By: >>2512889

>>2512872
Supremely retarded. What if someone gets separated?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 15:49:53 No.2512889 Report

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>>2512881
Only the best followers will survive

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 18:40:17 No.2512971 Report

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>>2512872
>is this retarded?
yes. 10L waterbags is the maximum size I would recommed, bigger and you get problems. Everyone should carry his own water. But one or two people can go fetch water with the waterbags of the other people.

In the army everyone would carry ten liter waterbags, most would carry an additional bladder 3 to 5l or canteen/bottles, and some backup platypus folding bottles, + 2! water filters (one backup).

That's the perfect system.

When alone:
Carry 2x 2L waterbags (one for backup)
And 2x bottles (like smartwater)
if there is a long dry stretch carry two extra 10l waterbags (one for backup)
and always two waterfilters (one for backup)

When you are far north in Canada, Alaska, Scandinavia, or in the mountains you just need 2 bottles no filters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 20:10:22 No.2512997 Report

Quoted By: >>2513005

>>2512872
for what purpose?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 20:26:40 No.2513005 Report

Quoted By: >>2513047 >>2513133

>>2512997
Large family, likes to go out. But not everybody involced is so /out/ as to have the water carrying gear. It's this or convince them all to buy what they need.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 21:05:17 No.2513024 Report

Quoted By: >>2513047

>>2512872
Not really a good plan for a group hike for a couple reasons:
-Doesn't necessarily reduce the amount of time spent filtering water. They can carry a more effective pump but still restricted to one filter and container, and that water still needs to be distributed constantly for drinking, cooking, cleaning.
No time saved from delegating the 'finding' task as the group still can't separate.
Some in group will still need to carry back up water filters to avoid critical failures. You do get an advantage here with a larger, higher output filter pump as far as time to fill.
The water/gear tradeoff doesn't work out well. If only carry water what if I want my insulation or rain layers? Snacks on the go? Unless someone carries 100% of my gear my gear is now separated among multiple people.

In BSA group hikes what we split up was group food and cooking supplies. It is easy to divide up, doesn't affect how you pack your personal gear, isn't needed until camp. We'd only do this sort of group water thing when we knew there was a dry camp coming up, every one fills their personal supply and then 1-2 people would fill big 3-5L bags and hand their food or whatever off. Notably, each person still carried food though, never create a single point of failure.

If your goal is to save time and weight with water you are better off going with chemical filtration. Use some kind of dirty water container so you can get it into your containers without contamination, maybe a cloth filter to get dirt and rocks out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 22:28:06 No.2513047 Report

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It’s pretty retarded. 5 gallons of water will be over 40lbs swishing around in your pack. One person filtering for everyone will take a lot longer than everyone filtering at the same time.
>>2513005
>It's this or convince them all to buy what they need.
SmartWater bottles are cheap, and they’re ubiquitous for a reason. A Sawyer squeeze is $30. Split among two isn’t that much of a hassle.

>>2513024
I started using chemicals a few years ago. The threat of contaminated water is over hyped, the danger is over stated, and I just find it much more convenient. I never liked having to second guess the water situation because of the slight inconvenience of filtering. It doesn’t happen with chemicals. I’ll dump out whatever water I have left in one bottle, fill it, pour in my chemicals, switch to my other bottle, and go on my way. I’ll mix a new batch of treatment when I stop later on.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Dec 2022 22:34:23 No.2513050 Report

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>>2512872
when i went backpacking a lot i just had a handpump filter and a one liter bottle
but i was always near water

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 22 Dec 2022 01:47:27 No.2513117 Report

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>>2512872

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Anonymous Thu 22 Dec 2022 02:10:59 No.2513133 Report

Quoted By: >>2513689

>>2513005
Maybe just say “y’all need to get your own water gear”, and have at least one filter per couple or whatever, and make sure they know how to use them properly.

Also, do you have a source for further reading on “aquatore”? I couldn’t find anything on google other than a simple definition as a water bearer

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 22 Dec 2022 21:53:41 No.2513434 Report

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>>2512872
>le reddit coop gaming tactics applied to hiking
literally just leave your house and go /out/

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 09:31:09 No.2513631 Report

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I've done group hikes and it's generally recognized that there's not enough trust to share critical supplies.
Everyone must carry their own water because everyone must drink at the designated time, people who refuse to drink their allocated water are actually a liability to the group.

Water is hard to carry because it isn't solid, larger containers present a serious balance problem and it takes a TON of energy to carry an unstable load.

In situations when you need to carry serious quantities of water i would recommend either Chinese style shoulder poles or doubling everyone's water ration.

Water is somthing you want to avoid carrying because it's very, very, very heavy. But at the same time it's hard to avoid. Good navigation between water points can save you hours because groups not laden with water are fast.

Groups should always carry water tabs as a backup, simply on the basis that a hike can be salvaged from a single unscheduled water resupply.
Was someone to "lose" a group water asset, you could respond with an unscheduled refill, purifying that water with tabs, and keeping it as a reserve.

You NEED a buffer when it comes to water and that can be one of the most frustrating thing, carrying KILOS of water nobody will ever drink.
But you have to. Dehydration is the most immediate threat after injury, and injury invariably results in water shortage as well.

One group hike i was on someone drank from the group water deliberately to deplete it so their pack would be lighter, then concealed this for several days. We actually got held up an extra day at the trailhead when our extract vehicle broke down and we discovered we didn't have the extra days water we thought we did.
Even by the trail head dehydration was just as much of a threat and i walked a mile to the turnoff and sat there with a mate all day until a passing RV driver gave me a galon of clean water.
As section leader i had personally failed to inventory, so that was my can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 09:47:17 No.2513635 Report

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Other section leader stories
>people get narky about being forced to drink water like children
>Every hike at least one person starts suffering dehydration due to failing to drink water

>pissing in a drink bottle, carrying a piss bottle
>now you don't want to refill it with clean water
>Why did you do that?

>throw out your water because it's heavy
>get heatstroke
>claim to have been drinking water

People new to group hikes often don't get that some novices actually need group support, and holding up the hike because you've got heat stroke might well result in a full abort.
If we stop an hour we may not make an RV or camp, sure me and you can just go faster but the 40 year old woman behind us can't- that's why she group hikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 10:50:36 No.2513647 Report

Quoted By: >>2513658

>>2512872
i can just imagine some baseded out reddit fag walking around the woods with 40lbs of water somewhere like oregon where you can find a water source every 30 feet with your eyes closed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 11:36:38 No.2513658 Report

Quoted By: >>2513661 >>2513698 >>2513706

>>2513647
The Reddit backpacking subs are more informative and populated by people who are more experienced than this place. it was on /out/ that someone asked if hiking with 40lbs of water was a good idea.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 11:42:10 No.2513661 Report

Quoted By: >>2513705 >>2513751

>>2513658
That's a sweeping generalization. Both places have their share of knowledgeable folk and idiots alike. The difference is, when someone makes such an absurd recommendation on Reddit, he gets downvoted to oblivion and so his post goes to the bottom and sometimes isn't even visible unless you click on it. This is such a slow board that retarded posts are more likely to be seen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 13:04:42 No.2513689 Report

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>>2513133
As far as I'm aware it was a roman water fetcher

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 13:24:38 No.2513698 Report

Quoted By: >>2513706

>>2513658
yeah actually you're sadly correct
everyone who actually knows what they're talking about posts on reddit not here

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 13:37:13 No.2513705 Report

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>>2513661
Take it easy with the understanding how things work there guy, we’re doing self depreciation today.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 13:38:13 No.2513706 Report

Quoted By: >>2513722

>>2513698
>>2513658
Go to Reddit and stop posting here then retards

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 13:45:02 No.2513708 Report

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>>2512872
Trusting another person in the backcountry to supply you with necessities is super dumb. If you can't prepare yourself to survive alone then don't go out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 14:11:30 No.2513722 Report

Quoted By: >>2513725 >>2513751

>>2513706
/out/ is where i go to be a jerk to zoomers
if i want a current weather report from someone who actually climbs local mountains i'll ask on reddit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 14:21:51 No.2513725 Report

Quoted By: >>2513731

>>2513722
Yes, 4chan isn't the ideal place to ask for localized information. Who would've guessed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 14:46:39 No.2513731 Report

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>>2513725
or to find anyone who actually knows what they're talking about. the anonymous nature of 4chan is good for some things but /out/ it is not. you see literal 17 year old retards comments holding the same weight as opinions that come from decades of experience on here whenever a newfag asks a question. on reddit most of the people who reply to gear questions have multiple thousands mile long thru hikes documented in their post histories. on here most of this board has never done a thru hike before and it shows. i never once seen anyone answer a question about a backpack or boots and mention how they performed on a trip they took. i don't think a lot of anons even own the gear they shill for or hate on here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Dec 2022 15:13:12 No.2513751 Report

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>>2513661
Yeah, the content on Reddit is self-regulating, while on /out/ we just have to rely on calling each other retards and faggots.

>>2513722
Basically this. It’s fun to have silly banter and to read edgy try hard posts. Like that thread about the $700 bivy. I’m not sure if the OP is a troll or an old fashioned retard, and it really doesn’t matter. Either way it’s a funny thread that would have vanished to negating nine million downvotes on Reddit.

A few years ago a chubby schizo from Portland, OR flew to Orlando, FL. He was staying in a hotel. He had a full load out of gear he’d gotten from Walmart, some of it with the tags still attached. His plan was to hike back to Portland. Just to be clear: he had already bought everything and taken the flight, then asked for advice on /out/ from the hotel the day before he was set to start. He lasted one night, where he was soaking wet and accosted by street hobos after setting up in a homeless camp. You’d never see content like that in Reddit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Dec 2022 03:32:25 No.2514118 Report

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>>2512872
Just drink all your daily water before the hike anon

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